what do Ms. Malkin's looks have to do with this political discussion?
"beauty" is a subjective thing, so your point cant be proven and is thus irrelevent.


u would be better served to actually pay attention to what these people are saying, rather than diddling your dong cuz of what they look like...

u would save yourself some embarrassment, like youve just experienced in this post.

what she looks like has no effect on the stupid #### she said on Hardball.

Still not taking my private and personal advice, eh Huey? Some "home folks" never learn.

Anyway, I have had enough of you for awhile. I'm out of here to do some serious intellectual work.

like i said..

YOU LOSE

u have no point to make, so u use the nice little "i have better things to do" cop-out to avoid further embarassment.

it's ok John. u cant be right all the time.

(or in u Neo-Con's case, u cant be right ANY of the time)

Here is Mrs. Malkin's own response to the Mathews' Motor Mouth. Since she was unable to properly respond on Hardball, she has responded onHer own Site.

She continues further on


I would suggest that everyone go to the link and read the entire piece in order to get the inside scoop.

Huey Louie, you need not even bother, as you are only interested in fiction.

Ebonics will not help you gain intellectual respect. How many times must I remind you both publicly AND privately?

while it's nice reading a biased response after the fact, it doesnt change what millions of people heard her say on TV, and what is in plain view in the transcript.

of course she can come up with a more coherent, intelligable response when sitting in the comfort of her own office with spare time, but thats exactly why HARDBALL exists... to get people to answer the hard questions without time to deliberate over a neat, nice response.

and therefore, Ms. Malkin failed miserably as an advocate of the Swiftboat Vets.





read the transcript. watch the show.

whatever Ms. Malkin is saying she meant AFTER THE FACT doesnt negate what she said on the show, and what she said on the show was CLEARLY that some of the Swiftboat Vets say that he "shot himself on purpose" (which is false).

when given the chance to offer her own opinion, she didnt.

when given the chance to retract, she didnt.

as "cute" and "pretty" and "sweet" as Ms. Malkin is, she made an idiot of herself. and im sorry, but an after-the-fact explanation in order to save face doesnt convince me of anything.

dont feel bad if youre that gullible John L. it wouldnt surprise any of us.

Yes, who am I going to believe, you or my lying ears?

Here is the latest news on Kerry and his stature of a possible military leader. It also answers the question as to just why Kerry and his staff would come out swinging about the Swift Boat Veterans charges. In Kerry Tries To Counter War Criticism, the latest polls give a clear indication as to where things are headed.

Since the latest CBS poll ended on the 18th, and it is now the 20th, it leaves one to think that the gap may continue to grow and may, in fact, be greater right now.

And when the fact is added on, that the Kerry campaign is actively trying to have the publisher stop production of the book, the impression of unfair, heavyhandedness, quickly comes to mind. That will also help drag down the Kerry campaign.

And here is another thing. On Drudge, is the following point, "FLASH: PUBLISHER CLAIMS 550,000 COPIES OF ANTI-KERRY VETS 'UNFIT FOR COMMAND' BOOK NOW IN PRINT." If there are already 550,000 copies out for a book that has not been out a week yet, perhaps the potential sales will require a second printing.

And if so, what does this portend? Stay tuned! News at Eleven!

Also, as a further add-on, here is a poll Do you Believe John Kerry Exaggerated His Combat Record In VietNam?.

Granted, it is unofficial, but Huey Louie, get out the Taggamet, Quick!!

This is just up on DrudgeReport,

"KERRY FILES FEC COMPLAINT OVER SWIFT BOAT ADS.


This is a horrible mistake for the Democrats! Granted, they realize that they have no chance of winning any complaint. Further, even if the complaint went forward, it would happen AFTER the election. So, it won't matter.

But note: This only brings the issue up further for the voting public to closely scrutenize. ALL the major news media must now play with the subject. And if his military history is anything less than sterling, it will show up for all to see.

A horrible tactical AND strategic mistake. But, what else can they do? If Kerry isn't telling the truth, he will lose out anyway. So, in desperation to assume the offense, they are going to charge into machine gun fire, hoping to reach the enemy lines before they are shred to ribbons. What a horrible position to be in.

And this brings up another question. When the election is over and suppose Kerry loses by something less than a squeaker. Who are the Democrats going to blame? Will it be Kerry? Or will it be themselves, for picking such a questionable candidate? And is it easier for you to blame yourself, or someone else for your failure? I think the answer is fairly straight forward.

Wow! Where do I jump in?
John, you're right that self inficted wounds don't have to mean Kerry shot himself. To quote from "Unfit for Command" ....

"....at the time of this incident Kerry was an officer in command under training, about teh skimmer using the call sigh, 'Robin' on the operation, with now Rear Admiral William Schachte using the call sign, 'Batman' who was also on the skimmer. After Kerry's M-16 jammed, Kerry picked up an M-79 granade launcher and fired a grenade too close, causing a tiny piece of shrapnel (one or two centimeters) to barely stick in his arm. Schachte berated Kerry for almost putting someone's eye out. There was no hostile fire of any kind, nor did Kerry on th eway back mention to PCF OinC Mike Voss, who commanded the SCF that had towed the skimmer, that he was wounded. There was no report of any hostile fire that day (as would be required), nor do the records at Cam Ranh Bay reveal any such hostile fire. No other records reflect any hostile fire. There is also no causualty report, as would have been required had there actually been a causualty.
....to the surprise of both Schachte and the treating doctor, Louis Letson, Kerry managed to keep the tiny hanging fragment barely embedded in his arm until he arrived at sickbay a number of miles away and a considerable time later, where he was examined by Dr. Letson. Dr. Letson, who has never forgotten the experience, reported it to his Democratic county chairman early in teh 2004 campaign. When Kerry apeared at sickbay, Dr. Letson asked, 'Why are you here?' in surprise, observing Kerry's unimpressive scratch. Kerry answered, 'I've been wounded by hostile fire'. Accompanying crewmen told Dr. letson that Kerry had wounded himself. Dr. Letson used tweezers to remove the tiny fragment, whcih he identified as shrpnel like that from an M-79 (not from a rufle bullet, etc), and put a small bandage on Kerry's arm.
The following morning Kerry appeared a the office of Coastal Div. 14 Commander Grant Hibbard and applied for a Purple Heart. Hibbard, who had learned from Schachte of the absence of hostile fire and the self inflicted 'wound' by kerry himself, looked down at the tiny scratch (which was smaller than a rose thorn prick) and turned down the award since there was no hostile fire. "

No one knows how he got the Purple Heart anyway! Must be at least ONE reason why Kerry won't release his records!

So Kerry injured himself by being an idiot! Some things never change!

Why doesn't Kerry sue the vets for defemation of character, and let the truth come out in a court of law?

Oh yeah, the lying SOB doesn't have a case.

Kerry has now asked for these lies to be shut down.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/3581900.stm

I don't think he'll sue for a while, probably at least four years, as having the President sue ordinary citizens for slander while he's in office would be a distraction from the mess he's got to clear up. I guess these liars realise this.

This all seems reminicent of the outrageous attack on John McCain's military record by similar Chickenhawks.

I have to assume that Scottish politics, while also a true professional blood sport, does not play by the same rules. Therefore, you might best be advised to ask questions prior to sticking your bare feet in the water.

So, without further ado, allow me to give you some facts. First, running to the FEC(Federal Election Commission) will gain none of the things you anticipate. Simply put, there are less than three months before the election. Any litigation would not start prior to the election. And Second, he would NEVER, I repeat, NEVER have a snow ball's chance in He11 of winning a judgement. He just won't, ok?

Now, with that being said, only one thing is important here. Will his appeal generate enough public outcry in his favour, so as to help him with the election? My guess is that it is akin to the old Japanese Banzi charge against the Marines who are dug in and expecting said charge. The question is whether he and his minions in the elite media will be able to carry that charge to the enemy's front lines.

Personally, I don't think so. There are too many things against this. If you have seen the second commercial coming out, and I have, you cannot but help getting that sinking feeling(provided you are a Kerry supporter). Most of it has nothing to do with Kerry's time in VietNam and the Swift Boats. It is about his outrageous behavior upon returning to the States. And the principle narriator is a former POW, who elequently describes what he underwent in a North Vietnamese prison. And he clearly, and calmly states how Kerry undermined he and his fellor prisoner's attempts to keep from signing affidavits stating that they were war criminals.

This commercial is absolutely devastating!!! As a war vet, I got all choked up watching it the second time(the first time didn't really sink in). And I guarantee you this. After this commercial has run it's course, Kerry may wish to think twice before getting in front of a veteran's group in the future. I know, I would.

And this has nothing to do with the Demi-G-d John McCain, that Federalist goon. Anyone who would have the intellectually vacant position of saddling the public with this kind of election reform, should be tarred, feathered and run out of town on a fast rail. But to continue,This commercial is a real killer, no question. And do not for a minute believe that there are not more in the pipeline.

The pipeline is what Kerry is so afraid of. And he rightly should be. And you and your Collectivist tripe in Europe should be also.

You don't get it, do you. A lot of words but the accusations are still lies. Refer to the article I posted way back in this thread. You choose to believe these lies because they suit your politics. This is very dangerous and shows your warped thinking.

No Scotty, it is YOU who are infected with "warped thinking", and I am wasting my time talking to some Collectivist Kook such you. Thaiquila is fun to run with, but frankly you are a boor and a bore. Good luck in your twisted little life.

Oh, and I suggest a nice warm pair of skivvys for you again.

Well Scotty, in your opinionated haste, let me suggest that you go To this site, and check out the commercial I was talking about. Then allow your "open and logical" thoughts to creep out again, ok?

And remember, it is Kerry's own words that betray him, not the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth. Failure to realize this indicates that one's head is somewhere where the sun does not shine.


Here's another "real deal". US Army Golden Knights. Note the altimeter on the left wrist. I'm sure that it is much more sophisticated than the one I used in the mid 70s.

Well, I get it, Jimmy! With over 225 SwiftVets testifying that Kerry is a Liar & a Cheat vs. the dozen he's pulling around with him on campaign stops - who do you think anyone would believe. Get that head outa the sand, boy!

Hmmm....let's see....and Kerry says these are lies because?....they conflict with what Kerry said....aw, yes then....let's see those military records and find out who's lying!

Top Individual Contributors to 527 Committees

Here’s the list of Top Individual Contributors to 527 Committees. Hmm. All but one are huge contributors to Democratic/Progressive groups.

UPDATE at 8/20/04 9:55:21 pm:
MoveOn.org: 2004 Election Cycle.
527 Activity:
Total Receipts: $9,086,102
Total Expenditures: $17,435,782

Swift Boat Veterans for Truth: 2004 Election Cycle.
527 Activity:
Total Receipts: $158,750
Total Expenditures: $60,403

Enough with the arguments Bush is supporting the Swiftvets. It's a grassroots organization with the TRUTH. Waffles is going down!

Lying Lurch is going nowhere fast!

Saturday 21 August 2004

Ever hear the old story of the lady and the snake?

A lady finds a snake injured in the road. She takes it home, cares for it, helps it heal, and the two become friends. One day, the lady is in her garden with the snake, and the snake suddenly bites her in the throat. The lady lays dying and gasps, "Why did you bite me? I was your friend?" The snake replies, "Lady, you knew I was a snake when you picked me up."

This is a parable the Bush/Cheney campaign is getting to know with suddenness and venom. They apparently picked up a snake named the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth, and that snake just took a mighty big chomp out of them.

It started at the end of July with the Democratic National Convention. The central theme was Kerry's Vietnam service record, and the convention brought out so many Generals and Admirals to vouch for Kerry, you thought the Fleet Center was hosting a brass festival. Couple that with Kerry's "Band of Brothers," the men who served with him and are now campaigning with him, and at the end of the thing you had the Democratic candidate packaged as a genuine American hero. After 9/11, after Afghanistan, after Iraq and all the casualties, having a blooded veteran standing forth was an image many Americans could get behind.

The polls started to move in Kerry's favor. Bush, who had been depending on an overwhelming military vote come November, saw Kerry gathering the approval of 50% of veterans. Karl Rove and the Bush election team smelled bad juju in the wind. They could not campaign on the administration's record regarding health care, education, environmental protections, justice or national defense, because Bush's record on these issues is startlingly abominable. The Bush campaign pursued the only option left to them, the option Lee Atwater taught Karl Rove how to use in the 'Willie Horton' episode. They went negative.

Or, rather, they had someone else go negative for them.

Not long after the convention, a commercial came out from the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth, an independent political group under section 527 of the Internal Revenue Code. The commercial showed several Vietnam veterans who claimed they knew Kerry had exaggerated his service in the war, that he did not deserve the Bronze Star, Silver Star and three Purple Hearts he earned in the war, and that the wound that got him his first purple heart was self-inflicted. The ads ran in several battleground states, and pretty much wall-to-wall on the Fox News Channel.

It didn't take long for the charges, and resulting hullaballo, to descend into the realm of farce. One Kerry accuser, George Elliott, was the man who signed the recommendation for Kerry's Bronze Star and who defended Kerry in 1996 when others raised the claim that he didn't deserve his Silver Star. Elliot, writing Kerry's fitness report in 1969, stated, "In a combat environment often requiring independent decisive action, Lt. j.g. Kerry was unsurpassed."

It was quite a flip-flop, then, when Elliott came out with the Swift Boat Vets to attack Kerry after the convention, stating Kerry lied about his service. He even signed an affidavit on the matter. When the Boston Globe confronted Elliott about his prior remarks and written statements clashing with his new description of events, Elliott beat a rapid retreat, stating that signing the affidavit was "a terrible mistake."

There is also the strange tale of Larry Thurlow, a leader of the Swift Boat Vets, who is claiming Kerry doesn't deserve his Bronze Star. Kerry earned that citation when he maneuvered his swift boat through enemy fire to save First Lieut. Jim Rassmann, who had been blown off Kerry's boat by an explosion and was about to die. Raussmann was saved, but Thurlow, who was in his own boat at the scene during the incident, now claims there was no enemy fire at all, and so Kerry should have gotten no medal.

Here's the weird bit, though. Three men got a Bronze Star citation for bravery in action that day: Kerry, Thurlow, and radarman first class Robert Lambert, a petty officer in the boat captained by Thurlow. The citation for Thurlow's Bronze Star states that "all units came under small arms and automatic weapons fire from the river banks." According to the citation, Thurlow "directed accurate suppressing fire at the enemy," and lauds Thurlow's "coolness, professionalism and courage under fire."

This begs the question: If there was no enemy fire, as Thurlow claims, doesn't that mean that he does not deserve his Bronze Star any more than Kerry does? Shouldn't Thurlow give his medal back? And what of radarman first class Robert Lambert? Did Kerry somehow fake Lambert's claim to the award?

With the predictable exception of the Fox News Channel, most of the mainstream cable news shows began poking holes in the Swift Vets' unlikely tale. Even so, the commercials began to do damage to Kerry. After the convention, Bush and Kerry enjoyed an even split of the veteran vote. Once the Swift Boat ad did a few rotations, however, those numbers moved. A recent CBS poll showed Bush getting 55% of the veteran vote to Kerry's 37%.

The Kerry campaign had been holding fire on the issue, believing Bush would publicly distance himself from the ad. Bush didn't. Kerry, who to this point had been working hard to maintain a relentlessly upbeat and non-negative tone, saw the writing on the wall. His people realized that sometimes you have to wrestle the alligator where you find him, be it up on the high road or down in the scum vats. They strapped on helmets and hip waders, and got to work.

What followed was a marvelous bit of political theater. In rapidfire succession over the last 100 hours, the Kerry campaign revealed:

* Funding for the Swift Boat Vets activities came from men with umbilical financial ties to the Bush family, and to Karl Rove specifically.

* The team that made the anti-Kerry commercial was the same group that made commercials for Bush Sr. against Dukakis in 1988.

* The group that got the whole ball rolling were the same fellows who engineered the despicable smearing of John McCain in the 2000 South Carolina primary, on behalf of George W. Bush.

More interesting, perhaps, were the Kerry accusations:

* Citing "overwhelming evidence” that the Swift Boat group is “coordinating its expenditures on advertising and other activities designed to influence the presidential election with the Bush-Cheney Campaign,” Kerry's campaign filed an FEC complaint against the Bush campaign. The Swift Boat group is a 527, and if they got funding or assistance for their work from the Bush campaign, it would be a clear-cut violation of the law.

* On the same day these accusations were made, Bush campaign officials in Florida were caught handing out Swift Boat Vets promotional flyers at Bush/Cheney headquarters.

* Adding to the weight of evidence that the Swift Boat Vets were working fist-in-glove with the Bush campaign, an enterprising blogger named digby revealed that a member of the Swift Boat Vets steering committee, Ken Cordier, was listed on the Bush campaign website as a member of the campaign team until August 19th. His name has since been removed, but as digby points out, you can still see it there if you visit the cached version of the site.

If Kerry's people do indeed have "overwhelming evidence" of collusion between the Swifties and Bush, they have proof of a criminal conspiracy. Tie this in with the fact that none of the accusations leveled by the Swifties are borne out by any evidence whatsoever, and that many of the accusers are contradicted by their own words.

The ugliest aspect of this episode is two-fold. You have a sitting President of the United States allowing a decorated veteran to be slandered in public in order to advance his political aspirations. While Bush may denounce the spending rules that allow 527s to operate this way, he did nothing to stop them, and if the evidence bears out, he in fact went out of his way to promote them.

Worse, you have an entire administration filled with men who had "other priorities" and important family connections when the call to service in Vietnam came. These are the same men, now, who have sent almost 1,000 American soldiers home in steel coffins in the name of lies and profiteering. If ever one needed evidence of the ruthless and utterly shameless nature of the Bush crew, they have it here before them.

In a just world, the final word on this disgraceful episode would come from William Rood, a Swift Boat officer who was part of one of the disputed Vietnam battles being flogged by these Swift Boat Vets. Rood has written an account of February 28, 1969 for the Chicago Tribune titled 'Anti-Kerry Vets Not There That Day.' Rood writes:

"There were three swift boats on the river that day in Vietnam more than 35 years ago - three officers and 15 crew members. Only two of those officers remain to talk about what happened on February 28, 1969. One is John Kerry, the Democratic presidential candidate who won a Silver Star for what happened on that date. I am the other. For years, no one asked about those events. But now they are the focus of skirmishing in a presidential election with a group of swift boat veterans and others contending that Kerry didn't deserve the Silver Star for what he did on that day, or the Bronze Star and three Purple Hearts he was awarded for other actions."

"Many of us wanted to put it all behind us," continues Rood, "the rivers, the ambushes, the killing. Ever since that time, I have refused all requests for interviews about Kerry's service - even those from reporters at the Chicago Tribune, where I work. But Kerry's critics, armed with stories I know to be untrue, have charged that the accounts of what happened were overblown. The critics have taken pains to say they're not trying to cast doubts on the merit of what others did, but their version of events has splashed doubt on all of us. It's gotten harder and harder for those of us who were there to listen to accounts we know to be untrue, especially when they come from people who were not there."
From people who were not there. One hopes Mr. Bush pays some attention to that last line. He picked up this snake, and now must deal with the poison.



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William Rivers Pitt is a New York Times and international bestselling author of two books - 'War on Iraq: What Team Bush Doesn't Want You To Know' and 'The Greatest Sedition is Silence.'

two sides to this story - those who REALLY were there and those that lie!

More unsubstanciated vitriol from the NYT.

The NYT has all but completly discredited itself lately. The national equirer has higher journalistic standards now.

Gent!

Let's put it in simple terms even a big roughy-toughy Aussie Special Forces person such as yourself can understand. It's left to innocent voters like me to figure out who's telling the truth. Do I believe a group of 256 Vietnam veterans who say Kerry's a liar, or do I believe John Kerry and Jim Rassman, who say 256 Vietnam veterans are liars? Gee, lemme think about it for a sec....

256 heroes or one lying, phony, self-mutilating, Yankee wanker?

The best 256 heroes that money can buy.

Take a break Doctor Evil, money rules and these sardines have been shown as the liars they are.

Georgie...I don't have one body-piercing! What's with the self-mutilating?

lamphun...hate to break it to you, Jimmie, but you're in denial, big-time. Waffles is a toss-pot of the highest order. Bad for America and bad for the world...

Boon Mee

John Kerry self-mutilated his arse with a grenade and then applied for a purple heart!

* On the same day these accusations were made, Bush campaign officials in Florida were caught handing out Swift Boat Vets promotional flyers at Bush/Cheney headquarters.

* Adding to the weight of evidence that the Swift Boat Vets were working fist-in-glove with the Bush campaign, an enterprising blogger named digby revealed that a member of the Swift Boat Vets steering committee, Ken Cordier, was listed on the Bush campaign website as a member of the campaign team until August 19th. His name has since been removed, but as digby points out, you can still see it there if you visit the cached version of the site.

If Kerry's people do indeed have "overwhelming evidence" of collusion between the Swifties and Bush, they have proof of a criminal conspiracy. Tie this in with the fact that none of the accusations leveled by the Swifties are borne out by any evidence whatsoever, and that many of the accusers are contradicted by their own words.

I was just in the process of responding to Ingognito's little ranting thread at Diablo, when BANG!, it disappeared. What gives, did Ingognito ascend to forum Vahallia?

What I was going to say was that perhaps Diablo might make life more enjoyable in the future for us with regards to "you know who".

Say it Aien't so, Joe!

According to a PM from ingognito to me, he does not want PMs, and if banned he will re-appear "anonymouse" as he puts it, and continue posting. So there may be no point in banning him.
However, you may see many of his posts edited.

The other thread was deleted, as it would serve no purpose.

the moderators on this board are incredibly pro-Bush and pro-Republican.

it seems that the Bush supporters on this board get away with saying ALL KINDS of irrelevent, childish, personal garbage and nothing happens.

yet a liberal member of the board makes a double post and all h3ll breaks loose.


if this is a "Fascist Neo-Con Only" board, let me know.. but as far as i can see the board doesnt advertise itself as one political affiliation or the other.

Your response reminds me of the "Spanish Option". Besides, you would also be taking away some of the fun that Boon Me, Georgie-Porgie, and Bob enjoy in "pinning the tail on the Gent" donkey. They greatly enjoy this multiple choice option.

And too, you do have an IP address option, don't you? Besides, it would be nice not to have to watch that G-d awful aviatr again.

So, do the right thing, say "bugger" you to threats, and please pull the plug on the Gent again. Pretty please? We need more humour on this forum.

Huey, you are aware, are you not, that your changing of avatars at this particular time, means that I have gotten to you. And are you saying that you do not enjoy all the wonderful calypso music? There is more out there for your fans to partake.

Instead, you are switching from a fairly nice looking fellow to someone, whose face could stop a Zulu charge. Is that Pappa Doc, by the way? I'll have to research this and come up with some nice Pappa Doc things.

And does the "P" in Huey P stand for Pappa Doc?

If you are truly looking for a handsome face, why out try this one.

I do realize this is a discussion about avatars etc. but maybe this is relevant...

"CRAWFORD, Texas (Reuters) - A Vietnam veteran who worked with President Bush's campaign has left over his appearance in a commercial by a group challenging Democratic candidate John Kerry's war record, a campaign spokesman said on Saturday.

Bush campaign spokesman Steve Schmidt said Ken Cordier was a Bush supporter during the 2000 election and served as a member of his a steering committee to help reach out to veterans during this election."

http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?t...ws§ion=news

C.Woww, I saw that last night. It appears to me that the Bush campaign is ridding itself of any appearance of impropriety. Now, if the Kerry Campaign would only do same. They would probably lose half their staff initially, but it would help.

John L, trust me.. nothing u can say will get to me.

Louis Farrakhan is a very respected man, and your corny jokes about my avatars doesnt change that in the least.

i simply felt, after the couple weeks i had the Honorable Minister Farrakhan as my avatar, that it was time for a change.

so after Huey P. Newton, Mumia Abu-Jamal and Louis Farrakhan, i now have a picture of Marcus Garvey, a true American hero, as my avatar.



obviously u feel threatened by my use of images of strong, intelligent Black men as my avatar, as u have dedicated at least a dozen posts specifically to that topic.. rather than discussing the political issues at hand.


i understand John L.. u just dont have any thing relevent to say, so u take cheapshots at my avatar images.

typical of neo-con fascist Bush groupies.

Thank you C.Woww.

And put more people out of work? It's all just damage control anyway. That's what passes for politics these days.

Sorry, Georgie...how could I have skipped that point. Waffles other injuries were of the very slight flesh-wound type too. What a tosser!

No, it is just a strange sense of humour. I learned that a long time ago, in order to maintain sanity when other around me were buying the farm. And believe me, I do not feel threatened.

And if M. Garvey was such a strong person, why did he have to run around with that peacock uniform? After doing a little research, I can find no reference of military service for him. Perhaps you can enlighten me.

And the relevence of our postings are for others to determine, don't you think?

This should prove interesting...

The editor of the Chicago Tribune, who WAS THERE, is going to have his statement appear in tomorrow's Trib, saying SBVfT is lying about the kid in the loincloth incident. Let’s hope somebody finally sets the record straight, because so far as I am aware the Vietnamese don't dress up like they were playing Indians in a John Wayne western, and I'm sick of talking about a loincloth, or is that what VC wear before they wake up and put on their black pajamas?

CHICAGO, Aug. 21 /PRNewswire/ -- "There were three Swift Boats on the river that day in Vietnam more than 35 years ago -- three officers and 15 crew members. Only two of those officers remain to talk about what happened on February 28, 1969.

"One is John Kerry, the Democratic presidential candidate who won a Silver Star for what happened on that date. I am the other."

However, he's only going to say it once, and won't answer any further questions, probably because he's noticed that Kerry's camp has given about a dozen different versions of the incident. They've had the "unarmed lone VC", the "still armed lone VC", the "multiple VC", the "multiple VC backed by heavy weapons", the "multiple VC backed by heavy weapons on both banks of the canal, with bullets flying everywhere." I'll bet that his statement makes sure he can still maintain his standing in a room full of journalists.

However the big complaint about this incident is how Kerry blended actions from a few days earlier, that day, folded them all into a story about shooting a lone (or not) VC, and make a career out of it. At this point let’s just give thanks that Kerry accumulated enough self-inflicted wounds to get out in four months, because who knows what dreck we'd have to wade through if he'd stayed for a full tour like everyone else.

http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stories....02235783&EDATE=

My money's on the loincloth. Why? Because he was just a trainee VC and he hadn't been issued black pajamas and rubber sandals yet. What does it matter anyway? They're all gooks.

I love this, keep this thread going all.

Kerry is loosing his cool with the Swift Vets, and this issue is really hurting him with Independent voters.

Unreal...trying to make light of Waffles situation. He's going down with no style on this one for sure. No record to run on in the senate so it's Vietnam...& guess what? His 4 months there were a sham.
This is an upside down world fer sure. When those of you prefer anyone over a true Patriot like GWB to this *spit* "hero".

You're right BM. There is nothing funny about presidential candidates on Swiftboats chasing guys in loincloths through the jungle. The only thing this election needs now is Janet Jackson...and lookout here she comes....

http://www.drudgereport.com/flash5.htm

LMAO!!!!

Quote Of The Day - In Kerry's Own Words!

"We will not quickly join those who march on Veteran's Day waving small flags, calling to memory those thousands of lives who died for the 'greater glory of the United States. We will not accept the rhetoric.We will not readily join the American Legion and the Veterans of Foreign Wars. We will demand relevancy such as other organizations have recently been able to provide. We will not uphold the traditions which decorously memorialize that which is base and grim."

-John F. Kerry, Epilogue to "New Soldier" (MacMillan Publishing, Co, Fall, 1971)

Kerry just gets worse and worse. The Kerry camp and the press screams and whines that Kerry is being unfairly attacked. Is he?

The only other witnesses to Kerry's first wound have clearly said, then and now, that it was the result of his own pointless use of a grenade launcher on a rock too close to his own boat, not from enemy action. A sliver of metal got stuck in his skin. His commander remembers it; his doctor remembers it; his crew remembers it. It was removed with a pair of tweezers and got a Band-Aid. Weeks later John Kerry recorded in his diary that he was nervous about coming under fire for the first time. So ALL witnesses to the first incident, including Kerry, are on record confirming that he wasn't under fire when it happened. It was the result of negligence while not under fire, and is therefore ineligible for a Purple Heart. But Kerry went around normal channels and gamed the system to get a Purple Heart for it anyway. To be awarded a Purple Heart requires a doctor's signature, which his paperwork doesn't have. So his first is not only invalid by action; it's even invalid by filing status.

His campaign holds up the official Navy records as "proving" his case, but they were almost certainly written by Kerry, since they contain things than only Kerry would've bothered to mention or even would know. Those are the only records that claim the boats were under heavy automatic weapons and small arms fire from both banks of the canal, which would've had to continue for many long minutes for Kerry's Rassmann story to be remotely true. Yet mysteriously neither men nor boats were hit by any bullets, even though the boats were bunched together like sitting ducks in a canal only 75 yards wide.

Read the rest… http://www.nicedoggie.net/

Truly frightening, this man is truly sick.

He only cares about himself.

KERRY CAMPAIGN BACKTRACKS ON FIRST PURPLE HEART AWARD

Campaign Says May Have Been Self-Inflicted

Washington -— In a reversal of their staunch defense of John Kerry’s military service record, Kerry campaign officials were quoted by Fox News saying that it was indeed possible that John Kerry’s first Purple Heart commendation was the result of an, unintentional, self-inflicted wound.

He's going down, boys! (& Cleo)!

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