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John L
As the political axiom goes, "If you aren't on offense, you are clearly on defense". And it is clear that the Kerry campaign is not on offense. smile.gif
John L
Another nice article in the NY Daily News. In Bush Pulls A Swift One!,
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Everybody knows President Bush is a bass fisherman. But the President has spent most of August reeling in a more exotic specimen: the Giant New England Slack-Jaw.

Years from now, when tales of the catch are told around GOP campfires, small boys will marvel at how the supposedly intelligent Kerryfish swallowed Bush's bait, hook, line and sinker.

It's a neat little article, uses good "fishin'" common sense and ends nicely
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The 43rd President is often said by his critics to be a dunce. Maybe. But in politics, as in fishing, you don't have to be a genius. You just have to be smarter than the fish.

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Boon Mee
He's done... biggrin.gif

KERRY … APOLOGIZE?

The Prowler reports that Kerry may try a mea culpa on Sunday. Don't think he’s capable of such a thing; too arrogant. Plus, Prowler also reports that Kerry has suddenly become camera shy and that Edwards is getting frustrated with his role in the campaign (or lack there of). In the meantime, Edwards DID manage to anger an entire family-run restaurant. What, again?

"I don't know if they are thinking a full-blown mea culpa from Kerry, but that seems to be the way some people are thinking," says the strategist. "He wouldn't use the words 'I'm sorry' in speaking about his actions after Vietnam here at home. But he would seek to try to put this thing to rest."

Kerry advisers are said by some to be alarmed at how quickly the Swift Boat story has spun out of their control. Not only is campaign staff now furiously trying to keep up with the Swift Boat story, but there are mounting inquiries coming into the campaign about Kerry's Purple Heart awards and the citations for his two other medals, one of which was re-written and expanded by then-Secretary of the Navy John Lehman around 1986.

How much longer will this charade continue? dry.gif
Boon Mee
This is the Guy Who's Going to Stare Down Iran and North Korea?

John L
Bush Sends Troops to Stop Sales of Swift Boat Book

(2004-08-25) -- President George Bush today mobilized Army National Guard units nationwide to confiscate copies of Unfit for Command, the controversial anti-Kerry book by Swift Boat Veterans for Truth.

The move comes in response to demands by former Sen. Max Cleland and former Army Green Beret Jim Rassman, whose life was saved by John Forbes Kerry during the Vietnam War. Mr. Kerry is a well-known presidential candidate, Vietnam veteran and also a U.S. Senator.

"As commander in chief, my first duty is to protect our homeland," said Mr. Bush in a brief televised statement to the nation. "I have ordered infantry and mechanized divisions to take up positions at all Barnes and Noble stores and other brick-and-mortar book retailers and warehouses. They will neutralize all existing stocks of this dangerous volume and interdict supply lines to prevent further shipments."

Mr. Bush said he has also ordered the FBI to divert internet sales so that customers who order Unfit for Command through Amazon.com will instead receive a book which is "certifiably true."
ScrappleFace.com
Boon Mee
New Swift Boats Ad

Swift Boat Veterans for Truth has released a new advertisement, focusing on John Kerry’s trashing of his medals—the same medals he now claims to be proud of.

And the Swiftees are offering a deal: they’ll stop running their ads, if John Kerry apologizes for his actions after returning from Vietnam, and admits to the proven falsehoods about his service record. laugh.gif
John L
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And the Swiftees are offering a deal: they’ll stop running their ads, if John Kerry apologizes for his actions after returning from Vietnam, and admits to the proven falsehoods about his service record.-Boon Me

If you had a chance to listen to it, he did not, and they will not. Things can only get interestinger, and interestinger. smile.gif
Boon Mee
Campaign 2004: Bush Opens Double-Digit Lead

TIME Poll: Among likely voters, 52% would vote for President George Bush, while 41% would vote for John Kerry and 3% would vote for Ralph Nader. laugh.gif

http://www.time.com/time/press_releases/ar...,692562,00.html
John L
An interesting piece on Powerline, Brinkley Jumping Ship?.
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Douglas Brinkley, author of the John Kerry biography Tour of Duty, was on Steve Malzberg's radio show today. He called on John Kerry to release his military records, saying: "Clearly some of these military records should be made available to the press."

Brinkley also said that if the Navy investigation reveals deception in connection with Kerry's medals, it "could be" the "death knell" for Kerry's campaign. Professing uncertainty about what to make about the Swift Boat Vets' claims, Brinkley said:
Right now it's unclear. So we have to just wait to see what all this adds up to.

While the piece linked to above provides only brief excerpts from the Brinkley interview, it sounds like he is trying to distance himself from Kerry, and has less than full confidence in Kerry's honesty. Considering that Brinkley's book has been termed a hagiography, and that until now he has been an unabashed advocate for Kerry, that's a striking development.

This entire military experience is like Chinese water torture with Kerry. Now it is turning out to be the 'records' flap. If his biographer, Brinkley, is calling for the release of his military records, then there is considerable doubt on his part. This does not bode well for Kerry here.

Still almost two months before the election. This part about Kerry simply will not go away. If the Swift Boats adds continue to 'drip, drip, drip', Kerry's character will continue to be questioned further. And his favorable ratings will head further south.
politiphile
Wait till the Secretary of the Navy completes his investigation into Kerry's Silver Star with a V for Valor that has never been issued by the Navy because it given for valorious service so it would be redundent to add a V. Kerry is finished, he is lost in the quagmire of his own lies blink.gif . He will be exposed as the fraud that he is and will dissapear into obscurity as the embarrassment that he is to the Dems and they will throw him away as they have Dukakis, Mondale, Carter and Gore. The Socialists won't win this one. And remember Thai, i said Bush would win by 75%. biggrin.gif
Boon Mee
Yep, it's only getting worse for Waffles. If I were a former Kerry supporter, I'd be thinking seriously of keeping my own console right now and not advertize the fact that I hold the same values as he... wink.gif
Thaiquila
Mr. P:
You are fully on record about bush getting 75 percent of the vote.
I suppose you already know how ludicrous and basically IMPOSSIBLE that is.
Even Dukakis received 45.5 percent of the vote and of course lost in an electoral landslide.
There is no way Kerry will show as weak;y as Dukakis, and of course Kerry has the big states locked up.
BTW: I am still on record to predict -- KERRY WINS.
politiphile
QUOTE (Thaiquila @ Sep 6 2004, 10:48 PM)
Mr. P:
You are fully on record about bush getting 75 percent of the vote.
I suppose you already know how ludicrous and basically IMPOSSIBLE that is.
Even Dukakis received 45.5 percent of the vote and of course lost in an electoral landslide.
There is no way Kerry will show as week as Dukakis, and of course Kerry has the big states locked up.
BTW: I am still on record to predict -- KERRY WINS.

Your right about Dukakis. That just show's how completely destroyed Lurch will be by election day. He will lose by such overwhelming numbers the Dems will be out of power as the majority party for a full generation. They have lost all credibility as a major political party. The only people who will support them are fringe radical groups and intelectual morons. That explains why you support dems huh.
Thaiquila
Be careful what you wish for.
John L
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Wait till the Secretary of the Navy completes his investigation into Kerry's Silver Star with a V for Valor that has never been issued by the Navy because it given for valorious service so it would be redundent to add a V. Kerry is finished, he is lost in the quagmire of his own lies-Politiphile

You are not reading my earlier posts here. It is a non starter. The investigation cannot begin to be finished prior to the election. And anyway, who is going to prove that Kerry did the dirty deed, if in fact it was dirty?

Everyone should be concentrating on the closed military records. That is where the problem for Kerry is at.

Does this make sense to you folks. You don't have to grab at straws here.
Boon Mee
Makes perfect sense to me - just can't believe Waffles thought he'd get away with so many glaring inconsistencies and outright lies. But in further news...John Kerry yesterday slammed President Bush, calling the situation in Iraq, “The wong war in the wrong place at the wrong time". The Senator went on to say he’d bring troops home within four years.

President Bush replied back that Senator Kerry is the “wrong waffle in the wrong party in the wrong universe". Bush went on to describe Kerry’s various positions .... more than there are in the Kama Sutra. laugh.gif
lamphun
QUOTE (Boon Mee @ Sep 7 2004, 07:51 AM)
Makes perfect sense to me - just can't believe Waffles thought he'd get away with so many glaring inconsistencies and outright lies. But in further news...John Kerry yesterday slammed President Bush, calling the situation in Iraq, “The wong war in the wrong place at the wrong time". The Senator went on to say he’d bring troops home within four years.

President Bush replied back that Senator Kerry is the “wrong waffle in the wrong party in the wrong universe". Bush went on to describe Kerry’s various positions .... more than there are in the Kama Sutra. laugh.gif

You are of course making all this BS up. Are you one of those swift vets for never having being in Vietnam but give me the money ?

What Bush actually said was "We have a saying in Texas or is it Tennessee, fool me once shame on you, fool me again uh ah oh I've sh|t my pants".

Try sticking to the truth, but then you'd have nothing to say would you ?
politiphile
QUOTE (lamphun @ Sep 7 2004, 08:28 AM)
QUOTE (Boon Mee @ Sep 7 2004, 07:51 AM)
Makes perfect sense to me - just can't believe Waffles thought he'd get away with so many glaring inconsistencies and outright lies.  But in further news...John Kerry yesterday slammed President Bush, calling the situation in Iraq, “The wong war in the wrong place at the wrong time". The Senator went on to say he’d bring troops home within four years.

President Bush replied back that Senator Kerry is the “wrong waffle in the wrong party in the wrong universe". Bush went on to describe Kerry’s various positions .... more than there are in the Kama Sutra.  laugh.gif

You are of course making all this BS up. Are you one of those swift vets for never having being in Vietnam but give me the money ?

What Bush actually said was "We have a saying in Texas or is it Tennessee, fool me once shame on you, fool me again uh ah oh I've sh|t my pants".

Try sticking to the truth, but then you'd have nothing to say would you ?

Lamphun, you wouldn't know the TRUTH if it ran over you. The fact that you support a Treasonous, lying, decietful, lowlife scumbag is proof of that. The fact that you would accuse those who criticize him of being untruthful is proof of that.
lamphun
Your boy has links with the bad guys. Thats a known fact. Vote for him if you want, but anyone who does is supporting the enemy.
politiphile
QUOTE (lamphun @ Sep 7 2004, 10:57 AM)
Your boy has links with the bad guys. Thats a known fact. Vote for him if you want, but anyone who does is supporting the enemy.

If that's true then why are moslems supporting kerry ? Why does Hezbollah want to distribute Moores movie in the M.E. ? Why does every single Anti American and Anti God group in America support and endorse Lurch ?

I really wish that before allowing you to comment in the Bearpit you had to prove you knew the difference between the truth and a lie. That being the case, i wouldn't even have to listen to your delusional drivvle.
lamphun
QUOTE (politiphile @ Sep 7 2004, 04:07 PM)
QUOTE (lamphun @ Sep 7 2004, 10:57 AM)
Your boy has links with the bad guys. Thats a known fact. Vote for him if you want, but anyone who does is supporting the enemy.

If that's true then why are moslems supporting kerry ? Why does Hezbollah want to distribute Moores movie in the M.E. ? Why does every single Anti American and Anti God group in America support and endorse Lurch ?

I really wish that before allowing you to comment in the Bearpit you had to prove you knew the difference between the truth and a lie. That being the case, i wouldn't even have to listen to your delusional drivvle.

Do moslems support Kerry or Al Qaeda ? Watch this space.

Anti god ? That's a bit over the top. You know this how? Have you been talking to god again ? Get the I love me jacket quick.

Of course you don't have to listen to my drivel, unless you are reading aloud. Are you ? laugh.gif laugh.gif
politiphile
QUOTE (lamphun @ Sep 7 2004, 11:16 AM)
QUOTE (politiphile @ Sep 7 2004, 04:07 PM)
QUOTE (lamphun @ Sep 7 2004, 10:57 AM)
Your boy has links with the bad guys. Thats a known fact. Vote for him if you want, but anyone who does is supporting the enemy.

If that's true then why are moslems supporting kerry ? Why does Hezbollah want to distribute Moores movie in the M.E. ? Why does every single Anti American and Anti God group in America support and endorse Lurch ?

I really wish that before allowing you to comment in the Bearpit you had to prove you knew the difference between the truth and a lie. That being the case, i wouldn't even have to listen to your delusional drivvle.

Do moslems support Kerry or Al Qaeda ? Watch this space.

Anti god ? That's a bit over the top. You know this how? Have you been talking to god again ? Get the I love me jacket quick.

Of course you don't have to listen to my drivel, unless you are reading aloud. Are you ? laugh.gif laugh.gif

You are totally incapable of grasping truth. Or maybe you are afflicted with that dasterdly disease LSMS. For the uninformed, it is the Liberal Selective Memory Syndrome. It is affecting millions of Democrats around the country but not all, thank God.

Don't you Know the American Atheist org. has endorsed kerry ? The American Communist Party and the American Socialist Party also endorse him and they don't accept the living God as a real Person or Power. Do you think the North American Man Boy Love Association lives by God's standards ? I don't, but they also endorse Lurch Kerry.

Get a clue Lamphun, right now you are existing on the fringe of the Twilight Zone.
jaybee
QUOTE (Boon Mee @ Aug 26 2004, 12:15 PM)
This is the Guy Who's Going to Stare Down Iran and North Korea?


I saw that clip! It was JUVENILE!!! Almost as bad as his bouncing the volley ball off that poor woman's head and thinking it was cute! Kerry is immature! rolleyes.gif
Boon Mee
QUOTE (lamphun @ Sep 7 2004, 07:28 AM)
QUOTE (Boon Mee @ Sep 7 2004, 07:51 AM)
Makes perfect sense to me - just can't believe Waffles thought he'd get away with so many glaring inconsistencies and outright lies.  But in further news...John Kerry yesterday slammed President Bush, calling the situation in Iraq, “The wong war in the wrong place at the wrong time". The Senator went on to say he’d bring troops home within four years.

President Bush replied back that Senator Kerry is the “wrong waffle in the wrong party in the wrong universe". Bush went on to describe Kerry’s various positions .... more than there are in the Kama Sutra.  laugh.gif

You are of course making all this BS up. Are you one of those swift vets for never having being in Vietnam but give me the money ?

What Bush actually said was "We have a saying in Texas or is it Tennessee, fool me once shame on you, fool me again uh ah oh I've sh|t my pants".

Try sticking to the truth, but then you'd have nothing to say would you ?

lamphun...I've still got my medals from Vietnam. Nope, didn't throw them away like your "man". Spent my year over there collecting tax-free and combat pay courtesy of Uncle Sam doing my Patriotic Duty. Something I'm sure you're completely unfamiliar with. dry.gif
John L
Here is another article, Revenge is a Dish Best Served Cold, and it is appropriate with regards to Kerry, and the Swift Boats controversary.
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Many Vietnam vets buried the memories of their less-than-welcome homecoming, and John Kerry moved off the national scene.  The feelings of betrayal had faded, but they were never resolved.  The unprecedented injustice inflicted on the Vietnam vets has always lain just under the surface, waiting for a chance to be uncovered.  The war had stolen their youth and innocence and John Kerry stole their dignity and rightful place of honor in history.

Like an unlanced boil, the anger festered but there was nothing that could ease the pain.  These vets didn't ask for "forgiveness" because they had done nothing wrong in serving their country.  They never asked to be treated as heroes, just good soldiers.  All they have ever wanted was the respect due all the men and women who have worn the uniform of this country.  Being allowed to march in a few parades wasn't enough.  A long over-due memorial was not enough.  The Vietnam Veterans moveable wall only brought back the suffering as they searched for the names of their fallen friends whose memory had been defiled and disgraced by people who considered them rampaging killers instead of men who died with honor for their country.

Now before them stands this man who would be president - this man who holds his service in Vietnam up as a badge of honor now that it suits his purposes.  This man Kerry brags about his medals and his tiny wounds and demands the respect they were denied, yet he offers no apologies for what he did to them.  "I will be a great leader!" Kerry proclaims, because of his brief and self-proclaimed valiant service while wearing a uniform - the very same uniform that they wore and were spat upon because of it.

All across America, soiled uniforms and memories of being shamed and humiliated have surfaced and Vietnam vets demand their rightful place in history.  John Kerry seems bewildered by the reaction of his "fellow vets."  He has become defensive and angry because now his service and honor are being questioned.  Kerry seems oblivious to the pain he caused three decades ago [when] he stole all honor and dignity from those same "fellow vets" for personal gain.  Now he wants to use them again, for the same reason.

All across America, Vietnam vets are smiling.  At last, perhaps they can bury their demons.  These angry vets are demanding that this man who sentenced them to being shunned as criminals, tell the world that he was wrong and that he is sorry for what he did to them.  Kerry must admit that he lied about them.

For many, it would still not be enough.  Satisfaction and hopefully peace will come when Vietnam vets see and hear John F.  Kerry give his concession speech the night of November 2, 2004 with the knowledge that it was their votes that helped defeat him.  There are approximately 2.5 million Vietnam veterans in America and they have not forgotten.

Kerry denied them their rightful place as heroes and they will deny him his dream of the presidency.  Angry Vietnam veterans, silent for so long, will finally have their say.  Payment in full will be delivered to John Kerry on November 2, 2004.

Revenge is indeed a dish best served cold.
lamphun
QUOTE (Boon Mee @ Sep 8 2004, 12:12 AM)
lamphun...I've still got my medals from Vietnam.  Nope, didn't throw them away like your "man".  Spent my year over there collecting tax-free and combat pay courtesy of Uncle Sam doing my Patriotic Duty.  Something I'm sure you're completely unfamiliar with. dry.gif

That doesn't somehow make you right.

What did you think you were fighting for in Vietnam ? Surely it wasn't so that the rich wouldn't have to pay tax and that the Saudis could buy up half the US and terrorise the other half. I'm sure you never fought for that.


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Then we made another call, this time to an arms dealer in the Mideast. He confirmed that his partner attended a meeting in 1995 at the 5-star Hotel Royale Monceau in Paris where, allegedly, Saudi billionaires agreed to fund Al Qaeda fanatics. We understood it to be protection money, not really a sign of support for their attacks. Nevertheless, rule number one of investigative reporting is "follow the money" -- but the sheiks' piggy banks were effectively off-limits to the US agents during the Bush years. One of the men in the posh hotel's meeting of vipers happens to have been a Bush family business associate.
Huey_P


link to entire flyer

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In 1978, Bush, while running for Congress in West Texas, produced campaign literature that claimed he had served in the US Air Force. According to a 1999 Associated Press report, Bush's congressional campaign ran a pullout ad in the Lubbock Avalanche-Journal that declared he had served "in the US Air Force and the Texas Air National Guard where he piloted the F-102 aircraft."

Bush lost that congressional race, but twenty-one years later, the AP questioned him about the ad. The news outlet had a good reason to do so. Bush had never served in the Air Force. He had only been in the Air National Guard. But when AP asked Bush [in 1999] if he had been justified in claiming service in the Air Force, Bush, then the governor of Texas and a presidential candidate, said, "I think so, yes. I was in the Air Force for over 600 days." Karen Hughes, his spokeswoman, maintained that when Bush attended flight school for the Air National Guard from 1968 to 1969 he was considered to be on active duty for the Air Force and that several times afterward he had been placed on alert, which also qualified as active duty for the Air Force. All told, she said, Bush had logged 607 days of training and alerts. "As an officer [in the Air National Guard]," she told the AP, "he was serving on active duty in the Air Force."

But this explanation was wrong. Says who? The Air Force. As the Associated Press reported,

The Air Force says that Air National Guard members are considered 'guardsmen on active duty' while receiving pilot training. They are not, however, counted as members of the overall active-duty Air Force.

Anyone in the Air National Guard is always considered a guardsmen and not a member of the active-duty Air Force, according to an Air Force spokeswoman in the Pentagon. A National Guard member may be called to active duty for pilot training or another temporary assignment and receive active-duty pay at the time, but they remain Guard members.

The AP report said, "It may be a question of semantics." But today I checked with two spokespersons for the US Air Force, and each confirmed that an active-duty member of the Air National Guard is not considered a member of the US Air Force. "If a member of the Air National Guard is in pilot training," says Captain Cristin Lesperance of the US Air Force media relations office, "they would remain on the Guard books. They would be counted as Guard, not as an active-duty Air Force member."

Full Story: http://www.thenation.com/capitalgames/index.mhtml?pid=1704
John L
Huey, I am convinced that You and Thaiquila are running a race to see just who is the master 'post slinger' on the forum. With GOP gone, the two of you are alone in this category, and apparently you are preempting GOP before his return, so as to lay claim to the dubious honour.

Is this your mission? cool.gif
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