These quotes below are from men who served with Kerry in Vietnam, and who knew him best. If his own buddies despise him, how can any right-thinking American vote for this man for president?

Swift Boat Quotes about John Kerry

"We resent very deeply the false war crimes charges he made coming back from Vietnam in 1971 and repeated in the book "Tour of Duty." We think those cast an aspersion on all those living and dead, from our unit and other units in Vietnam. We think that he knew he was lying when he made the charges, and we think that they're unsupportable. We intend to bring the truth about that to the American people.

We believe, based on our experience with him, that he is totally unfit to be the Commander-in-Chief."

John O'Neill, spokesman, Swift Boat Veterans for Truth
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"I do not believe John Kerry is fit to be Commander-in-Chief of the armed forces of the United States. This is not a political issue. It is a matter of his judgment, truthfulness, reliability, loyalty and trust -- all absolute tenets of command. His biography, 'Tour of Duty,' by Douglas Brinkley, is replete with gross exaggerations, distortions of fact, contradictions and slanderous lies. His contempt for the military and authority is evident by even a most casual review of this biography. He arrived in-country with a strong anti-Vietnam War bias and a self-serving determination to build a foundation for his political future. He was aggressive, but vain and prone to impulsive judgment, often with disregard for specific tactical assignments. He was a 'loose cannon.' In an abbreviated tour of four months and 12 days, and with his specious medals secure, Lt.(jg) Kerry bugged out and began his infamous betrayal of all United States forces in the Vietnam War. That included our soldiers, our marines, our sailors, our coast guardsmen, our airmen, and our POWs. His leadership within the so-called Vietnam Veterans Against the War and testimony before Congress in 1971 charging us with unspeakable atrocities remain an undocumented but nevertheless meticulous stain on the men and women who honorably stayed the course. Senator Kerry is not fit for command." Rear Admiral Roy Hoffman, USN (retired), chairman, Swift Boat Veterans for Truth

http://www.swiftvets.com/
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Trust, loyalty and judgment are the key, operative words. His turncoat performance in 1971 in his grubby shirt and his medal-tossing escapade, coupled with his slanderous lines in the recent book portraying us that served, including all POWs and MIAs, as murderous war criminals, I believe, will have a lasting effect on all military veterans and their families.

Kerry would be described as devious, self-absorbing, manipulative, disdain for authority, disruptive, but the most common phrase that you'd hear is 'requires constant supervision.'"

Captain Charles Plumly, USN (retired

slandering a decorated war hero is dispicable, unamerican and unpatriotic.

shame on u and shame on the Republican party, who did the same thing to John McCain and Max Clelan.


the Republican party is run by draft dodgers and obviously does not support REAL AMERICAN WAR HEROS

Huey:

Where was your Democratic Party leader, William Jefferson Clinton, when his number came up?

Do you have a DD-214 you can show us on him?

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By the way, I love your colors and big letters.

It's good to hear war hereos speaking out against one of their own WHO BETRAYED THEM.

Wow, I thought Huey was just a conspircy nut, but he's pretty good at the whole denial thing too.

well this would be relevent if Bill Clinton were on the ballot in November, but since he's not, what exactly is the purpose of this statement?




John Kerry is a war hero. the military doesnt hand out purple hearts like candy.

he earned those.

a couple of hawkish troops that may have served with him coming out of the woodwork to denounce him IN WRITING for political purposes doesnt trump Kerry's purple hearts, his military record or those dozen or so troops that served with him that are actually willing to STAND UP and testify in public to his heroic actions in Vietnam


furthermore, John Kerry is only ONE victim of the GOP and Bush campaign's habit of disrespecting and slandering war heroes...

as i said before, war hero's like John McCain and Max Clelan have BOTH been smeared by the dispicable, desperate actions of the Bush campaign and the Republican party.


rather than trying to slander John Kerry further with empty rhetoric, why dont one of u Republicans offer an explanation for the disrespectful treatment of John McCain and Max Clelan?


it is plain to see that the Republican party holds nothing but disrespect and contempt for Americans who have served our country during times of war.


this is further emphasized by George Bush's cuts in hardship pay and Veterans healthcare, and his eagerness in sending American troops to war for unsubstantiated reasons.

Huey, are you that far on the defensive that you must resort to screaming at everyone? If so, you might wish to step back and take ten deep breaths before continuing on.

This method of posting is certainly unprofessional.

John L, are u at THAT much of a loss for factual evidence that u would rather comment on my posting style than comment on THE ISSUES??

i laid out an intellectual argument and posed some serious questions to be answered by anyone in the Republican party with the ability to do so.

obviously u DONT have the ability to answer them, because instead u comment on something as irrelevent as my style of posting.



furthermore, nobody is "screaming". i am typing.. i dont hear any "screams", all i can hear is the click of the keyboard.

anyone who spends so much time on a computer that LARGE CAPITAL LETTERS is interpreted as "screaming" is in serious need of a therapist to help reconnect them to the real world.

the large colorful letters are for EMPHASIS, so u can clearly see the questions being asked and hopefully, if nothing else, answer them.

obviously even this cant help u, since youve yet to respond to THE ISSUES.



since when was there anything "professional" about posting on an internet message board?? ROFLMAO.


if u REALLY want to consider this a PROFESSIONAL-style debate, then instead of commenting on something petty and insignificant, like how i type, u would comment on THE ISSUES.

but obviously YOU are the unprofessional one, since u are unwilling or incapable of doing so.

Huey, You are ACTING like an ignorant slut. Kerry is not any more a hero than you are. He wounded himself in Nam and applied for his own Purple Hearts. No General or Admiral put the paper work in for his medals, he did it himself. As a Yale student he knew that he could use VietNam to build a carreer in politics and to h-ll with the soldiers he would fight with. A full tour in Nam was 9 months to 1 year. He spent a total of 4 months in Nam and knew that after being wounded 3 times he could apply to be sent home if he chose to. That is why he had to recieve credit for being wounded 3 times, and being the hero he is, he forced doctors to certify paper cuts as battle wounds. Only a self deluded fool could believe the lies he has told the American People. Your not self deluded are you ? Nor are you a fool, right ? Then surely you don't really believe your prior post, right ? You realize that kerry is a traitor and a liar and your just trying to play the devils advocate to keep things interesting. Right ? I thought so. You had me worried for a minute Huey, but Thai is giving up this liberal crap and he told me you were coming over to the side of truth with him. And we are glad to have you bro, welcome to the light.

Huey is in denial big-time as is Thaiquila and the rest of the Barking Moonbats on this forum. See, the TRUTH hurts and they can't take it. Three words for 'em: DEAL WITH IT!

More Breaking News from Drudge!

CONTROVERSY SURROUNDS KERRY CONVENTION FILM: WAR SCENES REENACTED

**World Exclusive**

A bombshell new book written by the man who took over John Kerry's Swift Boat charges: Kerry reenacted combat scenes for film while in Vietnam!

The footage is at the center of a growing controversy in Boston.

The official convention video introducing Kerry is directed by Steven Spielberg protégé James Moll.

MORE

Moll was given hours of Kerry's homemade 8 millimeter film to incorporate into the convention short, the DRUDGE REPORT has learned.

"Kerry carried a home movie camera to record his exploits for later viewing," charges a naval officer in the upcoming book UNFIT FOR COMMAND.

"Kerry would revisit ambush locations for reenacting combat scenes where he would portray the hero, catching it all on film. Kerry would take movies of himself walking around in combat gear, sometimes dressed as an infantryman walking resolutely through the terrain. He even filmed mock interviews of himself narrating his exploits. A joke circulated among Swiftees was that Kerry left Vietnam early not because he received three Purple Hearts, but because he had recorded enough film of himself to take home for his planned political campaigns."

UNFIT FOR COMMAND, Swift Boat Veterans Speak Out Against John Kerry, will be unleashed next month by REGNERY. [It ranked #1,318 on the AMAZON hitparade Wednesday morning.]

He's a fraud, a liar and a jackass to boot! Probably didn't think this stuff would come out!

Boon Mee,

Kerry is going to reinact the killing of defenseless women & children? He's going to reinact burning out villages? He's going to reinact firing in a no-fire zone?

One thing for sure. Kerry is a LIAR.

Unfortunately, I think he is lying now.

He's also plain unfit to lead...

U.S. Medal of Honor winners slam Kerry

Washington, DC, Jul. 27 (UPI) -- A letter signed by 24 Congressional Medal of Honor winners criticizing U.S. Sen. John Kerry, D-Mass., was released Tuesday.

http://washingtontimes.com/upi-breaking/20...51946-7822r.htm

He is a dispicable example of a human being. A reprehensible lout with no concern for anyone but himself, much less his fellow americans. I would say He is a soulless reprobate who lacks the courage of a gnat but that would be unfair to the gnat. May he dissapear into the sea of political forgetfulness as soon as this travesty of an election is over with and then pass a law making all liberals wear a muzzle or be sent to iran on vacation every year untill they wise up. a guy can dream can't he ?

You know, I don't really think that Kerry is dispicable, or a reprehensible lout either. Also, I don't for a minute believe that Republicans hold disrespect for those who served in wartime either. All this extremism on both sides really doesn't make any points with the average listener.

As for Kerry, the lesser, he clearly displays to me that the Peter Principle really works, and he has already reached his level of incompetency. That is all. Nothing more or less. He simply will not make a good president. I am convined of it, but he does not rise or sink to the level that some here state.

And clearly the Republicans are not those evil devils that our Kooks on the Left would like for the average reader to believe.

So, why don't we all take a break and reload.

They all may be fine philosophical ideals there, John, but when you have 'em on the ropes, it's time to put 'em away!

So, for your reading pleasure, I'm dredged up yet another great qoute by FLIPPER!

In First Dem Debate, Kerry (aka Flipper) Strongly Supported President's Action In Iraq. KERRY: "George, I said at the time I would have preferred if we had given diplomacy a greater opportunity, but I think it was the right decision to disarm Saddam Hussein, and when the President made the decision, I supported him, and I support the fact that we did disarm him." (ABC News, Democrat Presidential Candidate Debate, Columbia, SC, 5/4/03)

Boon Me, what you are showing is fact. it holds more weight than personal degradation. Don't you think. Plus it wins arguements with the average reader. Plus, it makes you look more intelligent and persuasive.

I like that little insert of your there. I'm impressed partner.



GO VOLS!!

I'm glad that you two kissed and made up, because Boon Mee is from Texas, and in Texas, these are fighting words!

Don't start no Ca Ca, Georgie!

Ya but John, you have to admit it, i hit the nail right on the head in my description of him. I would like to say he has the integrity of a lowlife scumdag garbage collector but again, that would be an unfair insult to all garbage collectors. He is a corrupt, power hungry, self serving power monger with the character of a murderous dictator, but don't get me wrong, i don't dislike him, i just think he is wrong for the job. Was that nicer ? I'm trying to keep it a little more civil. Hows that, i said it with a smile and a wink.

My garbage collectors are very considerate and courteous. I go out of my way to help them also.

Check out this cartoon, Day By Day, and be prepared to get a good chuckle.

Thaiquila and Huey need not look. They will NOT be amused!

If it's the truth they will never believe it.

The cartoon is a gem, but in truth, Chris Muer was never in the military. Shrapnel comes from artillery. Fragments come from grenades. That's why the phrase "get fragged" referrs to being injured by a grenade.

Is this the man you want leading us in the War on Terror?
(sorry, John, can't help myself!)

Boon Me,

If that picture of him slithering out of the metal birth canal doesn't make it in at least one RNC commercial, I will vote Libertarian, just out of spite.

WE'RE NOT GOING AWAY!

Anti-Kerry Vietnam Veterans Hold Strong

The following statement from Swift Boat Veterans for Truth is in response to an article appearing in the morning edition of the Boston Globe (“Veteran Retracts Criticism of Kerry”) which implies that one Vietnam Veteran wishes to retract an affidavit he signed regarding John Kerry’s actions during and after Kerry’s time in Vietnam. The signed affidavit can be seen below.
"Captain George Elliott describes an article appearing in today’s edition of the Boston Globe by Mike Kranish as extremely inaccurate and highly misstating his actual views. He reaffirms his statement in the current advertisement paid for by the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth, Captain Elliott reaffirms his affidavit in support of that advertisement, and he reaffirms his request that the ad be played. [See both affidavits below.]

“Additional documentation will follow. The article by Mr. Kranish is particularly surprising given page 102 of Mr. Kranish’s own book quoting John Kerry as acknowledging that he killed a single, wounded, fleeing Viet Cong soldier whom he was afraid would turn around.

“Swift Boat Veterans for Truth has more than 250 supporters who are revealing first hand, eyewitness accounts of numerous incidents concerning John Kerry’s military service record. The organization will continue to discuss much of what John Kerry has reported as fact concerning his four-month tour of duty in Vietnam.

http://humaneventsonline.com.edgesuite.net/unfit_aff.html”

AP journalist Ron Fournier reports:

Retired Adm. Roy Hoffmann, head of the Swift Boat group. . . said none of the 13 veterans in the commercial served on Kerry's boat but rather were in other swiftboats within 50 yards of Kerry's.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?...&type=printable



these people are full of #### and have been completely debunked.

Hey man, you don't have to shout with the banner headlines. Kerry/Lurch is finished w/Vets other than the few he parades around with him. Ask any of the 'ol boys down at your local VFW...

what do u mean "shouting" ??

why do u people think its shouting when i put something in large text.. it only means i want u to read it, and i placed it in big bold text so u cant deny that u saw it.


of course, u dont respond to the facts, no matter how big and in your face they are.. u just want to continue blindly slamming John Kerry with insubstantive rhetoric.


sure, a majority of vets may support Bush over Kerry...

of course it only makes sense that veterans would support someone who went AWOL from his spoon-fed National Guard spot, and is now cutting veterans healthcare, over someone who is an actual combat decorated veteran!!

The guy is a fake and those medals obtained over a three, count 'em, three month period are a sham and a stain on the military who gave them to him. Anyhow, he's washed up with Vets regardless.

For your further educational/reading pleasure:

John Kerry's Decisive Leadership: 'You Bet We Might Have!"

Is this the sort of "decisive leadership" in the war on terrorism that we can look forward to if John Kerry gets in the White House?

"John Kerry must be frustrated in his campaign if he is armchair-quarterbacking based on cues from Michael Moore," Giuliani said. "John Kerry is an indecisive candidate who has demonstrated an inconsistent position on the war on terror, who voted against funding for our troops at war, and who cannot give a clear answer on his position concerning the decision to remove Saddam Hussein."

That last shot, a frequent taunt from the Bush campaign to Kerry, came after the Democrat told the UNITY gathering that he "might" have gone to war if Hussein had refused to disarm.

"You bet we might have," Kerry said, adding that the result would not have cost as much in American casualties or taxpayers' money."

How is it that we're almost 18 months out from the start of the war in Iraq and Kerry still can't definitively say whether the war was worth it or not?
Can you imagine John Kerry at other times in our history?
At the signing of the Declaration of Independence...

Q: "So Kerry, are you going to sign it or not? Come on, John Hancock is getting antsy!"

A: "You bet I might sign this document...at some point...depending on how the war goes."

After Pearl Harbor...

"...and I just want to tell the American people that you can bet we might respond to this day that will live in infamy...as long as our allies say it's OK."
At the Berlin Wall...

"One day, you bet I might tell Mr. Gorbachev to tell down this wall...if the UN and our European allies give me approval to use that sort of strong wording."

Even if we were at peace, we couldn't trust someone as wishy-washy John Kerry with the Presidency. But in a time of war, having a weak & vacillating commander-and-chief will lead to a lot of Americans dying unnecessarily while he sits around paralyzed, trying to figure out how to have it both ways on every issue.

Thanks to RWN

ok that was a few paragraphs of pure caca.


i already know your opinion and political ideology, Boon Mee..

why dont u bring up some facts to discredit Mr. Kerry

Thems is facts, buddy...and for more, just reread my earlier posts regarding this poseur who wants to sit in the White House...

You have to wonder why almost everyone who served with Kerry other than his shipmates doesn't seem to think much of him. What about the doctor who treated the wound -- with a band-aid I might add -- that led to Kerry's first Purple Heart? Why doesn't he support Kerry? Why is it that "19 of 23 officers who served with Kerry & every commanding officer he ever had in Vietnam" all think he's "unfit to be commander-in-chief"? Why is it that men who were fighting side by side with John Kerry in other boats are telling stories like this one?

The new book UNFIT FOR COMMAND reveals dozens of shocking eyewitness accounts of questionable Kerry actions in Vietnam. Author John O'Neill, the man who took over John Kerry's Swift Boat, and co-author Jerome Corsi, Ph.D., have uncovered the bizarre truth behind Kerry's three Purple Hearts, his Bronze and Silver Stars, and the real reason Kerry served only four months in Vietnam.
UNFIT FOR COMMAND is being rushed to bookstores now, but it will likely not be available for another week. Human Events has obtained an advance copy, and will send you an entire chapter free ("The Purple Heart Hunter"),

http://humaneventsonline.com.edgesuite.net..._video_wmv.html

what is factual about that post?

i saw Rudy Guiliani's opinion, i saw no facts.


and as far as your previous posts, u posted material from the smudge report about these "Swiftboat Veterans for Lies" idiots, none of whom even served on a boat with John Kerry.

how the h3ll is their opinion on John Kerry's leadership factual when they never even served on a boat with him, nevermind under his command?


im asking for FACTS, not opinions, FACTS. if u cant tell the difference u have no business debating here.

im not interested in rhetoric or opinion.

Let the Truth set you free there, Mr. Huey. The following is factual evidence of the most stark kind...

"Swift Boat Veterans for Truth, however, in signed affidavits now in UPI's possession, say Kerry's shrapnel wounds were self-inflicted earlier in the day when he tossed a grenade into a sampan carrying rice and that there was no enemy fire at Kerry's boat or others involved in the incident. They point to mentions of the buttock wounds from the grenade and flying rice grains that appear in a number of stories by Kerry or about him in earlier articles and books, in contrast to his account for the casualty report.

They noted the self-inflicted rice injury was mentioned on page 105 of the book "John F. Kerry: The Complete Biography by the Boston Globe Reporters Who Know Him Best" and in the book "Tour of Duty." But according to the official casualty report, "Lt. J.G. Kerry suffered shrapnel wounds in his left buttock and contusions on his right forearm when a mine detonated close aboard PCF-94" (his boat). There was no mention of a wound that would draw blood on the arm.

Swift boat veterans who spoke to UPI also said that when the mine exploded some 50 yards from Kerry, he initially "fled" the scene, leaving other patrol boats to circle the stricken vessel and rescue men in the water, before returning four to five minutes later to join the rescue effort when it was clear they were not under fire.

I can get more Factual material, not opinion if you want more...

Can't help it, gotta give you some more...

Kerry was asked to leave Vietnam
Posted: August 6, 2004
1:00 a.m. Eastern
© 2004 WorldNetDaily.com
The image Americans were asked to believe, at the Democratic National Convention, of a John Kerry who "defended this nation" as a soldier in Vietnam and "will defend this nation" as its commander in chief has hit a snag.
The soldiers he served alongside of don't really believe that he did defend his country very well. And as one of his former commanding officers told on Wednesday, Kerry's chain of command was so fed up with his actions, they asked him to go home after he received his third purple heart.

Retired U.S. Navy officer Thomas Wright served our nation for 21 years. He also served as one of Kerry's superiors in the tough assignment of SWIFT boat (Shallow Water Inshore Fast Tactical) patrols on the southern tip of Vietnam. Lt. Wright frequently experienced trouble with Kerry.
According to Wright, Kerry frequently broke protocols of engagement for SWIFT boat commanders.

When you're in a group (of boats on patrol) you don't open fire unless the person in charge tells you to or unless you are defending yourself from an immediate attack ... I'd have problems because we'd be running on a river and Kerry would see something off in the distance and he'd take a pot-shot at it, to see what happened. And that wasn't the way we were trying to run the patrols.

We were trying to get in and find out what was going on, and hopefully make contact and begin to work with some of the people that lived there ... And you don't get to go shake their hands when you're shooting at them.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article....RTICLE_ID=39835

go ahead, cuz those "signed affadavits" came 35 years after the actual events!

roflmao.

and some of those "Swiftboat Veterans for Lies" even commended John Kerry DURING service!

but now they've "flip flopped" so to speak?


according to the Boston Globe, Grant Hibbard, one of the Swiftboat Vets in the commercial, gave John Kerry high marks for the 2 weeks Kerry served under his command..




Adrian Lonsdale, another one of the Swiftboat Vets in the commercial, said this to the LA Times..




and what about Roy Hoffman, the head of the "Swiftboat Vets for Lies"?

the Los Angeles times said this about his relationship with Kerry in Vietnam..





could it be these are just angry veterans still holding resentment against John Kerry for his Senate testimony after the war, and they're just using this opportunity to get him back with this smear campaign?

nooooooooo, couldnt be!

not the honorable Republican party who smeared ex-POW John McCain's military record in S. Carolina back in 2000, or questioned the patriotism of Max Clelan, a man who lost 3 limbs in Vietnam.

this is trash.

John Kerry was honorably discharged.

John Kerry was promoted to Lieutenant and given command of his own SWIFT boat.

John Kerry was decorated with a Bronze and a Silver star.

none of his military records show reprimand.



unless u can produce official documentation as to John Kerry's service record, rather than "signed affadavits" 35 years later from veterans who served "50 yards away", your argument holds no water.


if John Kerry's performance was so bad, it would have been noted in his service records.

sorry.

It's in his service records - three months in-country with all those medals. Get a clue there, Huey!

More quotes from the Swift Boat Veterans For Truth here. ***

*** Update #1 ***: Ugh...read this story about Kerry and ask yourself if we can trust him to be the next leader of the free world...

"George Bates, an officer in Coastal Division 11, participated in numerous operations with Kerry. In UNFIT FOR COMMAND, Bates recalls a particular patrol with Kerry on the Song Bo De River. He is still "haunted" by the incident:

With Kerry in the lead, the boats approached a small hamlet with three or four grass huts. Pigs and chickens were milling around peacefully. As the boats drew closer, the villagers fled. There were no political symbols or flags in evidence in the tiny village. It was obvious to Bates that existing policies, decency, and good sense required the boats to simply move on.

Instead, Kerry beached his boat directly in the small settlement. Upon his command, the numerous small animals were slaughtered by heavy-caliber machine guns. Acting more like a pirate than a naval officer, Kerry disembarked and ran around with a Zippo lighter, burning up the entire hamlet.

Bates has never forgotten Kerry's actions."

http://www.swiftvets.com/

Notice how close the swift boats are. This is important because the vets who appear in the ad never said they served on the same boat with Kerry, but they served on boats side by side in close proximity, which means they can still testify to Kerry’s actions.

BOON MEE, i asked for *PROOF*, not more rhetoric from an obviously biased, partisan source like the fraudulent "Swiftboat Vets for Lies" website.

if we're going to start considering unsubstantiated partisan propaganda off politically motivated websites as "proof", then there's a whole lotta stuff from moveon.org and infowars.com and prisonplanet.com that i'd like to enter as "proof" that George Bush is a liar and a murderer..


anyways, back to the FACTS..

the bottom line is this... John Kerry's military record speaks for itself.

the people who actually served on John Kerry's boat under John Kerry's command arent writing books from the comfort of their living room, or running websites from their La-Z-Boys...

they're standing with him on a stage testifying to the nation about his leadership and bravery.

pure, blind, partisan bias is the ONLY reason ANYBODY would choose to believe the judgements of those vets who served on completely different boats 50 yards away over the judgements of those vets who actually served ON HIS BOAT and UNDER HIS COMMAND.


that's a nice picture u posted there, but that's not a picture of John Kerry or the men in that commercial.

THOSE boats in that picture may be fairly close, but the head of "Swiftboat Veterans for Truth" himself said the vets in the commercial were within 50 yards, NOT 50 feet like that random picture u posted..



obviously they were not much closer than 50 yards, as if they WERE less than 50 yards away, like for example only 30 yards, why would he not then say they were within 30 yards, rather than 50? obviously the closer and more intimately one works with someone, the better idea they would have as to their leadership capacity. if they were closer, it would serve his purpose to say so.

but in reality those men were not much less than 50 yards away, and from my limited knowledge of SWIFT boats and how they work together, and from the picture u just posted, obviously there were other boats much closer within their formation.

furthermore.. some of the men in this advertisement are claiming they "were there" and "saw what happened" during combat..

if this is true then my question is this.. how would these men, who were on different boats about 50 yards away, with other boats potentially obstructing their view, be able to form an accurate critique of John Kerry's actions DURING COMBAT UNDER ENEMY FIRE??

what the h3ll were they doing?? staring at John Kerry thru binoculars from their boat 50 yards away while in the middle of combat drawing enemy fire??????




im sorry, but common sense would indicate that these guys are either full of it, or THEY were in fact the irresponsible sailors who spent their time obsessing and monitoring John Kerry's behavior rather than performing their duties on their boats while in combat under enemy fire.



sorry BOON MEE, but NOBODY believes these guys, other than the lunatic fringe right wing conspiracy theory whackos.

Who gives a ###### anyway? Does anyone really think Kerry's record is going to swing the election?

to be honest, GIDEON, i could give less than a rats about John Kerry's military record.

although John Kerry is using it to show his leadership qualities and his bravery as a soldier 35 years ago, im more concerned with the leadership qualities of George Bush as a PRESIDENT over the past 4 years.

this election isnt going to be a critique of John Kerry's service in Vietnam, its going to be a referendum on George Bush's service as president.


BUT, as much as neither John Kerry's NOR George Bush's military records interest me, and as much as i doubt these idiotic Swiftboat ads will sway the election, I WILL CONTINUE TO SPEAK OUT AGAINST DISHONESTY WHEN I SEE IT.

and these commercials are more misleading and dishonest than republicans claim Fahrenheit 9-11 is.


if there were LEGITIMATE questions raised as to John Kerry's military past, i wouldnt have a problem with it (although admittedly it still wouldnt sway my vote)...

but as it is, men who served on different boats 50 yards away from Kerry, who admittedly hold a deep-seed grudge and resentment over John Kerry's anti-war Senate testimony, just dont quite seem credible enough to be considered legitimate judges of John Kerry's character.

I don't know what evidence it would take to convince you there, Mr. Huey your man is a sham so I'll leave you with a good representation of the uniform he was really wearing in Vietnam. Especially as his sympathys were more in line with Hanoi Jane than patriotic Americans.

And the hits just keep on coming!

It appears that not all Arizona politicians think the Swift Boat Vets ad is reprehensible. Congressman Jim Kolbe had this to say:

"If Senator Kerry can trot out his people on stage that he served with to use as an endorsement of his military service, then it's not inappropriate for others who also served with him … to question whether his service is all it's made up to be," said Kolbe, who got to know Kerry during his year as as a naval communications officer and later as an operations officer in Vietnam

http://www.dailystar.com/dailystar/metro/33264.php

The Telegraph is the most Right-Wing broadsheet newspaper in Britain, and I believe that today's leader does a good job of summing up this issue:



I must say that I can sense a little 'double-think' reguarding the Republican stance on this issue. Considering that it comes from a party that generally stands up for soldiers in war zones, and stands up for the difficult decisions they make, I find it more than a little disingenuous for them to be attacking Kerry on his military service.

More evidence of Kerry's lies pouring out of the woodwork...

"Kerry's third Purple Heart was his ticket home. It also was much of the basis of his Bronze Star, repeating "his bleeding arm" and shrapnel wound from the mine story. The problem is that his operating report was a total lie since Kerry's shrapnel wound "in the buttocks" came not from a mine at all as he falsely reported, but at his own hand. Larry Thurlow, an officer on shore with Kerry that day, recounts that Kerry's shrapnel wound came not from any mine, but from a self-inflicted wound when Kerry (with no enemy to be seen) threw a concussion grenade into a rice pile and stayed too close. See Exhibit 10, ¶ 3. This "brown rice" incident with rice/shrapnel lodged in Kerry from his own grenade is also recounted by James Rassman, a Kerry supporter and "the no man left behind" on page 105 of John F. Kerry: The Complete Biography By The Boston Globe Reporters Who Know Him Best, by Michael Kranish, Brian C. Mooney, and Nina J. Easton (New York: Public Affairs, 2004) (the "Kranish book"). See Exhibit 21. "

And, there's a lot more...http://www.captainsquartersblog.com/mt/archives/002202.php

When the Swift Boat Veterans decided to end their silence with their devastating ad, they had to know that the wrath of the Left, specifically Kerry, would try to not only bury their claims but to completely grind their honor into the dirt in the process.

According to retired Rear Adm. Roy Hoffmann, who ran the swift-boat campaign in Vietnam and now leads the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth,:

"I do not believe that John Kerry is fit to be commander in chief of the armed forces of the United States. This is not a political issue. It is a matter of judgment, truthfulness, reliability, loyalty and trust -- all absolute tenets of command.
"Only one of his 23 fellow officers in charge from Coastal Division 11 supports John Kerry," he added. "Overall, more than 250 swift-boat veterans are on the record questioning Kerry's fitness to serve as commander in chief. That list includes his entire chain of command -- every single officer Kerry served under in Vietnam. The Kerry game plan is to ignore all this and pretend that the 13 veterans his campaign jets around the country and puts up in five-star hotels really represent the truth about his short, controversial combat tour."

It won't work - by November the whole country will be on to JFK, the lessor...

here's what FactCheck.org had to say about the Swiftboat Veterans for Lies..

http://www.factcheck.org/article.aspx?docID=231