This was one of the best political speeches I have ever seen, and I have seen plenty.
John F. Kerry is a man who has a long track record of delivering under pressure, and tonight's speech was no exception.
He said everything he had to say to win, and win big. He way exceeded my expectations and I imagine the vast majority of the American people.
Mark this day on your calenders folks. I think we have a historically great American president who will soon enter office -- President John F. Kerry.
You will be proud of him, even the skeptical right wingers.
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The speech was below average compared to the speeches from past American Presidents, and even Bush did a better job in the state of the union. I think the democrats need Tony Blair to start writing Kerry's speeches.
I found Kerry to be right about internationalising the Iraq conflict, and he got across the key domestic messages. I'm not sure how he is going to manage a balanced budget, increased spending and tax cuts however...
I think I'll leave the domestic policy to you guys... good night folks! It is 4:07am here in the UK!
I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO THE BUSH RESPONSE!
I found Kerry to be right about internationalising the Iraq conflict, and he got across the key domestic messages. I'm not sure how he is going to manage a balanced budget, increased spending and tax cuts however...
I think I'll leave the domestic policy to you guys... good night folks! It is 4:07am here in the UK!
I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO THE BUSH RESPONSE!
QUOTE (gideon2000uk @ Jul 30 2004, 03:07 AM)
The speech was below average compared to the speeches from past American Presidents, and even Bush did a better job in the state of the union. I think the democrats need Tony Blair to start writing Kerry's speeches.
I found Kerry to be right about internationalising the Iraq conflict, and he got across the key domestic messages. I'm not sure how he is going to manage a balanced budget, increased spending and tax cuts however...
I think I'll leave the domestic policy to you guys... good night folks! It is 4:07am here in the UK!
I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO THE BUSH RESPONSE!
I found Kerry to be right about internationalising the Iraq conflict, and he got across the key domestic messages. I'm not sure how he is going to manage a balanced budget, increased spending and tax cuts however...
I think I'll leave the domestic policy to you guys... good night folks! It is 4:07am here in the UK!
I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO THE BUSH RESPONSE!
Gideon, it's an American thing.
How can you as a Britisher be expected to understand the masterful way that John Kerry hit all the hot buttons he needed, and also answered all of the objections from the oppostion? Answer, you cannot.
Also, anyone who honestly and objectively thinks that the Bush state of the union speech was better than this Kerry speech needs to get some more sleep at night!
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I can't believe I actually watched the last 30 minutes of the speech. Just made me reaffirm my dislike of political speeches. I never can get past the idea that it doesn't matter what you say, its what you do that counts, and anyone can make any promise they want, it doesn't mean they'll have the ability or fortitude to carry it out. But I also hold to that in my personal life.
I think Kerry's presentation was very well done, I was impressed with that, although I did laugh at some points. Especially when he mentioned Theresa, and the camera zoomed to her. She was ready for her applause all right.
Oh, and that slip of the tongue regarding "terrorist operations" when he meant to say "anti-terrorist operations"
Freudian slip?
I was taken aback by his reference to soldier's families needing to have fund raisers to raise money for body armor, and that wouldn't happen under him, however IIRC he voted no for additional funds for the troops. I didn't like that.
One thing I didn't get was his repeated references to the fact that he served in the Vietnam War. Especially when he said he defended our country over there. Please correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't he come back and protested that war?
And this "go it alone" thing. Hasn't that been done to death? At least you can't say it's only people on the right who are "arrogant Americans". How arrogant is it to say that America is going it alone in Iraq, and discount all the countries that are a part of the coalition. I guess if France isn't involved we are alone. All the other countries are just irrelevant.
What stinks about this is now I'm going to have to watch Bush's speech next month, and I hate watching politicians give speeches.
Anyway good presentation, I just didn't buy it.
Now I'm going to bed because re-reading this I'm making too many grammer errors....
I think Kerry's presentation was very well done, I was impressed with that, although I did laugh at some points. Especially when he mentioned Theresa, and the camera zoomed to her. She was ready for her applause all right.
Oh, and that slip of the tongue regarding "terrorist operations" when he meant to say "anti-terrorist operations"
Freudian slip? I was taken aback by his reference to soldier's families needing to have fund raisers to raise money for body armor, and that wouldn't happen under him, however IIRC he voted no for additional funds for the troops. I didn't like that.
One thing I didn't get was his repeated references to the fact that he served in the Vietnam War. Especially when he said he defended our country over there. Please correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't he come back and protested that war?
And this "go it alone" thing. Hasn't that been done to death? At least you can't say it's only people on the right who are "arrogant Americans". How arrogant is it to say that America is going it alone in Iraq, and discount all the countries that are a part of the coalition. I guess if France isn't involved we are alone. All the other countries are just irrelevant.
What stinks about this is now I'm going to have to watch Bush's speech next month, and I hate watching politicians give speeches.
Anyway good presentation, I just didn't buy it.
Now I'm going to bed because re-reading this I'm making too many grammer errors....
Cleo, you really should study a little about the history of the war in Nam before you criticize Kerry's heroic leadership in protesting the war when he realized the war was WRONG. He really does have an amazing story there. A hero in war, but a THINKING, MORAL hero who did what his conscience and intellect told him is the right thing to do.
BTW: I saw John Kerry speak at a protest rally when Kerry was a young man and I was a boy, and I was so proud of him then, and proud of him now. What a great patriot!
BTW: I saw John Kerry speak at a protest rally when Kerry was a young man and I was a boy, and I was so proud of him then, and proud of him now. What a great patriot!
The second coming................. Sorry I can't vote for dinglekerry. He is going to solve all the worlds problems except for my toe nail fungus and my wifes menstrual cramps. Guess I'm stuck with Bush.
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This critique was written at 2:13 PM, please point out any innacuracies to what actually occured.
Posted: Jul 29 2004, 02:13 PM
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Tonights Convention speech is the culmination of all of the efforts his team has made on his behalf and his opportunity to sell himself as a capable leader of the most powerful Nation on Earth. I am pleased to report that he will fail miserably. His speech will drone on for 55 minutes. He will share no concrete policies with us. He will share a vague outline of a vague plan that isn't formed yet. The people will see an unsure, nervous manufactured politician who is unable to convince Americans the he, himself even believes what he is saying.
Millions of democrats around the country were embarrased for Teresa Kerry toward the end of her speech. Sadly for Liberals every where, John will suffer a similar fate. His speech will be full of reasons why he is so wonderfull and worthy of our trust.
Of course he won't refer to his senate voting record specifically, because that doesn't match up with the way he will describe himself to us. The reason i am doing my critique before it is given is so Thai, Huey and the rest of the Anarchists, Socialists and Liberals won't be too crushed when the big convention of Hope dies a sad and agonizing death at the hands of TRUTH.
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Posted: Jul 29 2004, 02:13 PM
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Tonights Convention speech is the culmination of all of the efforts his team has made on his behalf and his opportunity to sell himself as a capable leader of the most powerful Nation on Earth. I am pleased to report that he will fail miserably. His speech will drone on for 55 minutes. He will share no concrete policies with us. He will share a vague outline of a vague plan that isn't formed yet. The people will see an unsure, nervous manufactured politician who is unable to convince Americans the he, himself even believes what he is saying.
Millions of democrats around the country were embarrased for Teresa Kerry toward the end of her speech. Sadly for Liberals every where, John will suffer a similar fate. His speech will be full of reasons why he is so wonderfull and worthy of our trust.
Of course he won't refer to his senate voting record specifically, because that doesn't match up with the way he will describe himself to us. The reason i am doing my critique before it is given is so Thai, Huey and the rest of the Anarchists, Socialists and Liberals won't be too crushed when the big convention of Hope dies a sad and agonizing death at the hands of TRUTH.
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In the Truth will you find Victory, in lies, Defeat. It is solely for this reason that the cause of Liberalism is lost. A.D.MAHFUZ
Welcome Back Gene. That was a long post. 
Why does JFK Jr. expect to solve all the problems of the US in the next four years when he hasn't done any solving in the past 20 years he has been in the Senate? I guess I just don't see the big picture. 
And that opening line..."I am reporting for duty.", along with that snappy salute. It must be considered laughable at best.
And that opening line..."I am reporting for duty.", along with that snappy salute. It must be considered laughable at best.
QUOTE (Thaiquila @ Jul 30 2004, 03:13 AM)
How can you as a Britisher be expected to understand the masterful way that John Kerry hit all the hot buttons he needed, and also answered all of the objections from the oppostion? Answer, you cannot.
Where do you get off?
Oh yeah, all this time you were talking about Americans being arrogant & chauvanistic, you were talking about yourself?
That makes sense.
PS- Britisher is a wonderful word. Thanks for creating it.
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How can you as a Britisher be expected to understand the masterful way that John Kerry hit all the hot buttons he needed, and also answered all of the objections from the oppostion? Answer, you cannot.-Thaiquila
If you want to really be "in" with it, the term is "bloke", or "chap", or "Brits", not "Britisher".
And again as far as the speech went, here is what some fellow Lefties had to say about that "home run" you are squeeling and skipping in circles about.
Thomas Oliphant, In Rushed Speech, Lost Opportunity, states this. When talking about lost opportunities,
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Perhaps the public will let him off the hook, but the fact remains that Kerry essentially blew an opportunity he may not get again until the debates with Bush this fall. He and his advisers can and will argue that the cold facts of economic and foreign policy life will dominate political opinion in the weeks ahead; nevertheless, a golden opportunity slipped away.
It almost never happens, but Kerry appears to rank at the bottom of a short list of the most significant Democratic orators that was headed by (take your pick) running mate John Edwards and Illinois Senate candidate (and keynoter) Barack Obama and included the Rev. Al Sharpton and Senator Edward Kennedy.
It almost never happens, but Kerry appears to rank at the bottom of a short list of the most significant Democratic orators that was headed by (take your pick) running mate John Edwards and Illinois Senate candidate (and keynoter) Barack Obama and included the Rev. Al Sharpton and Senator Edward Kennedy.
He summs up as such,
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Because Kerry was racing, the audience in the convention hall responded with its loudest noise to points about civil right and civil liberties dear to liberals' hearts but not central to Kerry's election strategy -- there will be a new attorney general, no assaults on the Constitution, and no partisan use of the American flag.
That's reassuring, but Kerry muffed an opportunity to hone great material into a powerful address. He and his campaign can do better than this, and his supporters have a right to demand that they do.
That's reassuring, but Kerry muffed an opportunity to hone great material into a powerful address. He and his campaign can do better than this, and his supporters have a right to demand that they do.
What a magnificant Home Run!!
Debra Sanders, another disgruntled member of the Left, They Should Have Picked Dean, didn't pull any punches either.
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Boston -- AT THE DEMOCRATIC National Convention, the gulf between rhetoric and reality is breathtaking.
John Kerry and his surrogates have spent the week telling America that if Kerry and John Edwards are elected, America will not go to war, as the script reads, "because we want to, we only go to war because we have to."
But Sens. Kerry and Edwards did not have to vote in favor of the resolution authorizing the use of force in Iraq. Yet they did.
Now they say they were misled -- which suggests that they now think America didn't have to go to war. Why should Americans listen to them now?
Bottom line: The Democratic Party did not have to nominate a candidate who supported the war, but Democratic voters for some reason chose to do so.
John Kerry and his surrogates have spent the week telling America that if Kerry and John Edwards are elected, America will not go to war, as the script reads, "because we want to, we only go to war because we have to."
But Sens. Kerry and Edwards did not have to vote in favor of the resolution authorizing the use of force in Iraq. Yet they did.
Now they say they were misled -- which suggests that they now think America didn't have to go to war. Why should Americans listen to them now?
Bottom line: The Democratic Party did not have to nominate a candidate who supported the war, but Democratic voters for some reason chose to do so.
Or How about this little gem
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No lie. Here's an example, a line from the Democratic Party platform chapter entitled "A Strong, Respected America," which faults members of the Bush administration because "They do not understand that real leadership means standing by your principles and rallying others to join you."
Au contraire, Bush understands leadership. He stood by his principles, he rallied Kerry and Edwards to join him, and he thereby brought the opposing party to his war.
Kerry and Edwards followed.
Bush led.
Au contraire, Bush understands leadership. He stood by his principles, he rallied Kerry and Edwards to join him, and he thereby brought the opposing party to his war.
Kerry and Edwards followed.
Bush led.
And here is enough to make Every Kerry sycophants (ie, Thaiquila, and Sir Brilliant) blanch
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Veteran Kerry observer Domke told me months ago the Democrats should have picked Dean.
I now see how right Domke was.
I see it as I watch a group of well-meaning delegates gush about how excited they are, how united they are, because they chose a man with whom nearly 9 out of 10 of them disagree on the most fundamental issue -- the war.
It must hurt. The delegates can't argue their most deeply held belief -- that the war was wrong -- because they nominated a man who voted to authorize it.
I now see how right Domke was.
I see it as I watch a group of well-meaning delegates gush about how excited they are, how united they are, because they chose a man with whom nearly 9 out of 10 of them disagree on the most fundamental issue -- the war.
It must hurt. The delegates can't argue their most deeply held belief -- that the war was wrong -- because they nominated a man who voted to authorize it.
If this wasn't so pathetic, it would be drop down, laugh yourself to death funny. And to top it all off, he was preceeded by his daughter who praised Dad for saving the life of a poor hampster. Isn't that sweet!
But then she quickly went on and stated that her Father would protect a woman's right to have an abortion. 
Come again?! Is this a Freudian slip here? Not really. What is being said here is that the life of a hamster is far more important than a human fetus.
Yep! That is what the modern Democratic Party has come to: a party with no moral compass, or principles of Individual Liberty. What ever happened to the party of Jefferson? Well, we have all left the building to the Collectivists.
And while Thaiquila squeals with the joy as if someone being goosed, I can not help but be reminded of the movie "Mash". Before the climax (pardon the pun
) of the football game, Hot Lips Hoolihan is leading the cheers from the side lines. As the opponents score, or drop the good guys for a huge loss, or crush a player, forcing him from the game, there she is jumping up and down, shouting with glee, not even knowing what is happening to her team. Thaiquila, are you paying attention here?
I can't believe I forced myself to listen to that diatribe, heavy on the empty rethoric and short on his record. But what do you expect, he's has never really accomplished anything that great during his miserable exsistance.
And then there's the fact that he lacks ANYTHING remotely resembiling charisma, and his inexperinced fellow socialist pretty boy running mate won't help him out there either.
I'm glad that the Socialist National Conventikn is over, now we can look forward to our Glorious Old Party's Convention with people who actually care about this country and are moderares.
And then there's the fact that he lacks ANYTHING remotely resembiling charisma, and his inexperinced fellow socialist pretty boy running mate won't help him out there either.
I'm glad that the Socialist National Conventikn is over, now we can look forward to our Glorious Old Party's Convention with people who actually care about this country and are moderares.
QUOTE (Kerry for Senator @ Jul 30 2004, 05:18 PM)
QUOTE (Thaiquila @ Jul 30 2004, 03:13 AM)
How can you as a Britisher be expected to understand the masterful way that John Kerry hit all the hot buttons he needed, and also answered all of the objections from the oppostion? Answer, you cannot.
Where do you get off?
Oh yeah, all this time you were talking about Americans being arrogant & chauvanistic, you were talking about yourself?
That makes sense.
PS- Britisher is a wonderful word. Thanks for creating it.
I did NOT create the word Britisher.
It IS a word!
http://www.hyperdictionary.com/dictionary/Britisher
I stand by my contention. There is no way a Britisher would fully understand the internal implications and impact of the Kerry speech.
Check out this link:
http://www.boston.com/news/globe/living/ar...ivered_message/
and
http://www.zogby.com/Soundbites/ReadClips.dbm?ID=8841
THE BEST SPEECH KERRY HAS EVER MADE! HE NAILED IT.
No doubt about that.
All right, you walking dictionary.
I don't buy that he cannot understand. I don't think you give him enough credit. Your thoughts are yours, and mine and mine. Beautiful isn't it.
You're right. Good speach. It goes against everything I know, but great speach. Maybe even a winning speach.
That's as good as it gets. Don't ask me for more.
I don't buy that he cannot understand. I don't think you give him enough credit. Your thoughts are yours, and mine and mine. Beautiful isn't it.
You're right. Good speach. It goes against everything I know, but great speach. Maybe even a winning speach.
That's as good as it gets. Don't ask me for more.
QUOTE (chuckd @ Jul 30 2004, 10:24 AM)
Why does JFK Jr. expect to solve all the problems of the US in the next four years when he hasn't done any solving in the past 20 years he has been in the Senate? I guess I just don't see the big picture.
And that opening line..."I am reporting for duty.", along with that snappy salute. It must be considered laughable at best.
And that opening line..."I am reporting for duty.", along with that snappy salute. It must be considered laughable at best.
And why was there no mention of it in his speech? Why was it all about "Hey I was in the Vietnam War"?
(Aside to Thai- I don't need to have extensive background knowledge on the history of the Vietnam War to recognize posturing when I see it.)
Oh and did anyone else see Theresa almost fall over when she was bopping the ballons around? A woman after my own heart!
"The sum total of what Kerry knows about "what we have to do in Iraq" amounts to no more than this: Kerry would be nicer to "allies" who try to thwart the democratization of the Arab world and he would cut costs and get the troops home as soon as possible. Kerry might have more foreign policy ideas up his sleeve, but these were the only words he had to say on Iraq in his entire speech last night.
Kerry was unable to actually articulate what the "job" in Iraq is. He wants to talk about strategy while leaving the objectives nice and fuzzy."
http://georgemiller.blogspot.com/2004/07/m...-president.html
Kerry was unable to actually articulate what the "job" in Iraq is. He wants to talk about strategy while leaving the objectives nice and fuzzy."
http://georgemiller.blogspot.com/2004/07/m...-president.html
It would seem this guy is not proud of anything he has done since leaving Viet Nam. He even passed over his protests against the war, the anti-war testimony before Congress when he was calling everybody a war-criminal and his service in the Senate. Is he ashamed of it or is there just not any substance to his life after his four months in Nam?
And that nonsense about being born in the West Wing? Bwaaaahahahahahah!
TQ, If that is the best speech he has ever made, as you previously claim in this thread, then you better buy stock in No-Doze because it will become a hot item.
And that nonsense about being born in the West Wing? Bwaaaahahahahahah!
TQ, If that is the best speech he has ever made, as you previously claim in this thread, then you better buy stock in No-Doze because it will become a hot item.
Chuckie,
That speech was not for you and it was not for me.
It was for the swing voters.
It was for the Nader voters.
It was for the McCain voters.
It was for the young first time voters.
If was for the non voters, who might be persuaded to vote this time.
For these voters, Kerry scored so big you had better be sedated on election night!
That speech was not for you and it was not for me.
It was for the swing voters.
It was for the Nader voters.
It was for the McCain voters.
It was for the young first time voters.
If was for the non voters, who might be persuaded to vote this time.
For these voters, Kerry scored so big you had better be sedated on election night!
QUOTE (Thaiquila @ Jul 31 2004, 06:52 AM)
Chuckie,
That speech was not for you and it was not for me.
It was for the swing voters.
It was for the Nader voters.
It was for the McCain voters.
It was for the young first time voters.
If was for the non voters, who might be persuaded to vote this time.
For these voters, Kerry scored so big you had better be sedated on election night!
That speech was not for you and it was not for me.
It was for the swing voters.
It was for the Nader voters.
It was for the McCain voters.
It was for the young first time voters.
If was for the non voters, who might be persuaded to vote this time.
For these voters, Kerry scored so big you had better be sedated on election night!
Oh, is that the way all this process works? Wow, your insight amazes me.
As far as election night...I plan to be playing golf in Pattaya on election night. And, yes, I have already taken care of my absentee voting duties.
Bush leads in the election 1-0.
QUOTE (chuckd @ Jul 31 2004, 07:09 AM)
QUOTE (Thaiquila @ Jul 31 2004, 06:52 AM)
Chuckie,
That speech was not for you and it was not for me.
It was for the swing voters.
It was for the Nader voters.
It was for the McCain voters.
It was for the young first time voters.
If was for the non voters, who might be persuaded to vote this time.
For these voters, Kerry scored so big you had better be sedated on election night!
That speech was not for you and it was not for me.
It was for the swing voters.
It was for the Nader voters.
It was for the McCain voters.
It was for the young first time voters.
If was for the non voters, who might be persuaded to vote this time.
For these voters, Kerry scored so big you had better be sedated on election night!
Oh, is that the way all this process works? Wow, your insight amazes me.
As far as election night...I plan to be playing golf in Pattaya on election night. And, yes, I have already taken care of my absentee voting duties.
Bush leads in the election 1-0.
Yes, that is how it is now working because the US is completely polarized and the vast majority of people are totally firm for their side.
What state is your vote going to be counted in?
Here is an interesting article for everyone to watch out for. Rabid Bat Disrupts Breakfast At St. Pete Cafe.
That's probably true. They are all on political forums, raving about how wonderful Kerry's clothing is, even though he isn't wearing any.
Thaiquila, have you had your shots yet?
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Julia Gill, epidemiology program manager at the Pinellas County Health Department, said it's rare for a rabid animal to show up on a sidewalk in the heart of downtown.
That's probably true. They are all on political forums, raving about how wonderful Kerry's clothing is, even though he isn't wearing any.
Thaiquila, have you had your shots yet?
Isn't Huey-P in Florida somewhere?
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