There is a crisis in health care access in America, and a big part of the problem is the huge number of uninsured people, who are forced to wait until their conditions become life threatening to seek help in ERs:

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?...BAG19895IN1.DTL

Read this and then tell me you still really think things are really A OK in health care in America. Remember, bush has NO PLAN WHATSOEVER to address this crisis.

I am sure, however, that if he needs medical care, a bed will be found for that batard.

Folks, this is the stuff that MATTERS. Not details about bloody haircuts!

Thaiquila, I have a Great suggestion for you that would make things easy for all of us. How about this. Every time you get a "wild hair" up where ever "wild hairs" grow, and you want to express your over wrought concern for health care, why don't you assign an number to it. Let's say it is fifth on your Collectivist agenda. Then you could make life easier for all of us if you would simply do the following.


NUMBER FIVE!!! NUMBER FIVE!!!

And then we could all respond, should anyone wish to wake up from the noon nap. Now, see how easy that is? It will save you time, and help sooth your agreived conscience. And we would be saved the need to go to a thread that doesn't excite us anymore.

John L.
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TQ, I have to assume that after having been sent on vacation once, it is so much easier to get there again the second time around. That's kind of like murdering your first victim, it just gets easier with each killing.

Am I on to something here? You had better hope that D2 is taking his day off today.

What I said is the only APPROPRIATE response to your tripe post.
Either respond to the topic, or SHUT YOUR TRAP.
You conservatives are so happy to just let poor people die in America as long as your illusion of the "pure" values of free market capitalism are preserved.
Pure market capitalism does NOT WORK for health care.
All other civilized nations have realized this.

Thaiquila, you forgot one little phrase here: "In My Opinion". Or should I rephrase this, "In My Collectivist Opinion".

I don't know how people like you sleep at night. You see problems that I point out, problems that can be solved with political change, and you choose to ignore them and say we LIVE IN THE BEST OF ALL POSSIBLE WORLDS.

Utter bs.

I've asked you before, and you've refused to answer me, but that's ok, the asnwer is no VERY clear, you do enjoy making a total fool, of yourself, this post proves it.

By the way Tequila, if you would put your doobie down for just one second, you would realize that the DEFENSE OF WESTERN CIVILIZATION FROM DESTRUCTION, comes before ANYTHING ELSE.

tq. It is john edwards and all the other scumbag lawyers that make health insurance unaffordable for so many people.

And besides, here in Az, the state spends 400m a year on medical treatment for illegal aliens alone.

Just because one doesn't have health insurance doesn't mean they will not be treated. Just more liberal bs.

People without health insurance who have CHRONIC CONDITIONS cannot afford the continued doctors visits, medications, and tests that keep them alive and healthy. They end up much sicker or even dead in the ER, when it all could have been prevented with a JUST health care access system.

If you really believe what you say, you are completely out of touch with the reality on the ground with health care in America.

Help is on the way. John Kerry.

George Bush offers NOTHING to address this crisis.

Also note, this statistic ... for people who believe HEALTH CARE is their top political issue, these people favor KERRY over bush 69 percent to 21 percent. Now that's a LANDSLIDE.
http://www.zogby.com/news/ReadNews.dbm?ID=852

Golly. Jeepers. I didn't realize that.

Not a problem...................... Easy to fix...........................

1. Deport all the illegals.
2. Shoot all the trail lawyers.

Case closed.

Let's see, that means that 8% is the figure that you are starting out with. So if 69% are for Kerry, that means that not more than 5% are rabid Kerry followers who think that "health Care" is the primary issue. That's pretty good TQ.

You make it sound like it is an overwhelming majority. I'm impressed with your "new math". Now be honest; did you take "new math" while growing up under the Baby Boomer school system? I didn't, so I can't relate to your brand of figuring things out, don't you know.

Ok TQ, The president offers nothing you say?

Well, as with the economy, you may be afraid to read the real information, but here is what the President has executed, plans, and the difference between his and Hanoi John's Plan:

President Bush believes that all Americans should have access to affordable, high-quality health care. To achieve that goal, he has:

Created New Health Savings Accounts. The President signed legislation that makes HSAs available to millions of Americans. HSAs offer flexible, affordable insurance options for small businesses and individuals. The Treasury Department estimates that HSAs as enacted, in addition to the President’s proposal that allows individuals to deduct the cost of premiums for major medical coverage purchased in conjunction with a HSA, will result in over 1 million newly-insured Americans. This estimate may be too low, since insurers who have begun selling HSAs this year have found that at least one-third of their customers had been uninsured for at least six months.


Created a Prescription Drug Benefit under Medicare. In December 2003, President Bush signed legislation that will make prescription drug coverage available to 40 million seniors and people with disabilities through Medicare. The new benefit will become available on January 1, 2006. Until that benefit is implemented, beneficiaries will have access to Medicare-approved prescription drug discount cards that will save them 15% - 30% off the retail price of most brand name drugs, with even larger discounts on generic drugs. In addition, low-income beneficiaries will receive $600 this year and next year to help them purchase their medicines.


Opened or Expanded Community Health Centers. Access to health care has been extended to 3 million additional Americans -- part of the President's five-year plan to fund 1,200 new or expanded sites to serve an additional 6.1 million people. Today there are more than 600 new or expanded health centers delivering preventive and primary care to patients in medically underserved communities across America.


Strengthened Medicaid and SCHIP. HHS helped states develop new approaches to expanding coverage and avoiding reductions in their Medicaid and SCHIP programs. HHS-approved waivers and state plan amendments have expanded eligibility to more than 2.6 million people and improved benefits for more than 8 million people since 2001.


Provided a Health Insurance Tax Credit. The trade bill provides a tax credit to help workers who lose their jobs due to international trade obtain health insurance coverage. The tax credit has helped thousands of these displaced workers get insurance coverage.
Building On Our Success. President Bush believes more must be done to provide greater access to affordable health care. To achieve that goal, the President has proposed:
Medical Liability Reform. The President proposes to address the skyrocketing medical malpractice premiums through national adoption of proven minimum standards to make the medical liability system more fair, predictable, and timely. A more fair, predictable and timely medical liability process speeds compensation to patients, reduces health care costs, and improves access and quality of health care.


Association Health Plans (AHPs). The President supports legislation that enables small employers to pool together in order to offer health insurance options to their employees by giving small businesses the same purchasing power that large employers and unions have. CBO estimates that by 2008, 7.5 million people would obtain health insurance through AHPs and 600,000 would be newly insured.


Refundable Tax Credit. The President proposes a refundable tax credit that will make health insurance more affordable to millions of Americans who do not have employer-provided insurance or public insurance. The Treasury Department estimates that the tax credit will extend insurance to 4.5 million Americans.


HSA Deductibility. The President proposes to allow individuals with HSAs to deduct 100% of the premium for their catastrophic health care coverage from their taxes.


Health Information Technology. The President proposes to use modern health information technology to achieve high-quality care, reduce preventable medical errors, and reduce costs. President Bush’s FY’05 Budget request doubles the amount of funding for demonstration projects for broader adoption of health IT systems in communities and states to $100 million. The President announced a goal that most Americans have personal electronic health records within the next ten years, and is working to make sure the federal government is fostering the adoption of these technologies.



Kerry’s Proposals for Health Care


State Children’s Health Insurance Program (SCHIP)/Medicaid
Under Kerry’s plan, the federal government would take over 100% of the costs for the 20 million children currently enrolled in state Medicaid plans if states agree to:

Provide SCHIP: to children who are not eligible for Medicaid but whose family income is less than 300 percent of poverty ($55,200 for a family of four).
Expand SCHIP: to families with incomes less than 200 percent of poverty ($36,800 for a family of four).
Cover Childless Adults: States must provide health care coverage to adults whose income is under 100 percent of poverty ($8,980 for individuals or $17,960 for a couple).
Legal Immigrants: Senator Kerry would also repeal the current Congressionally mandated 5-year waiting period for eligibility for legal immigrant pregnant women and children.



What’s the catch?

This is a complete departure from the federal-state partnership of the Medicaid program and will free states from any incentive to control costs.
States must meet these conditions to receive $15 billion in bonus payments during the first three years of the program.
Research by RAND Health suggests this expansion would result in as many as 18 million Americans losing their employer-sponsored coverage and end up on Medicaid, where many will be forced into HMOs and/or have their choice of doctors limited because many physicians do not accept Medicaid patients. Not only would this result in millions of people losing coverage they like, it would force taxpayers to bear costs that today are borne voluntarily by the private sector.


Pool based upon Federal Employees Health Benefits Program (FEHBP)
This pool would be available to those in firms with 50 or fewer workers and uninsured individuals (including workers between jobs).
Employers would have to contribute at least half the premium.
Employers participating would receive a 25% refundable tax credit for all workers under 150% of poverty, phasing out at 300% of poverty.
Workers between jobs may purchase insurance through their former employer or the pool.
Workers in poverty would receive a 75% subsidy phasing out at 300% of poverty
Individuals without access to employer-sponsored insurance (and not eligible for public plans) could purchase insurance through the pool and receive a 25% refundable tax credit.

What’s the catch?

The Kerry health plan would draw much of the private health insurance market into a nationwide "health alliance" created and tightly regulated by the federal government.
Health care costs continue to rise not for lack of government involvement, but because too much government has crippled the normal market processes that allow individuals to have more control over their health care spending.
Kerry’s remedy for rising health care costs is additional regulation and higher tax-supported subsidies. To participate in the Kerry health alliance, large employers would face government requirements on the level of contribution they currently make to employee health premiums. Health plans within and outside the health alliance would be required to offer specific mandated benefits which just increase costs.
In the past three years, Sen. Susan Collins (R-ME) and Sen. Mary Landrieu (D-LA) have introduced 3 separate bills to provide a tax credit for small business to purchase health insurance: S. 2042 and S.674 in the 107th Congress and S.100 in the 108th Congress. Despite the fact that he now claims to support this idea, John Kerry never cosponsored any of these bills.


Reinsurance of health care costs
Senator Kerry proposes to reduce health care costs for employers and employees by providing federally financed reinsurance for catastrophic costs. The plan would reimburse employee health plans for 75 percent of catastrophic costs incurred over a $50,000 threshold. Although it is unclear whether this benefit would be available to all employers or only businesses of a certain size, eligible employers would have to meet several requirements to participate in the premium rebate pool.


What’s the catch?

Firms are only eligible if they contribute toward the cost of insurance for all workers, not just full time or those currently eligible; somehow pass the savings back to employees; and encourage the development of disease management programs.
Although Kerry claims that his proposal would reduce overall health care spending, Clinton Administration appointee and Emory University Professor Kenneth Thorpe has analyzed the Kerry plan and concluded that it would merely shift existing costs from premium-payers to taxpayers -- some $290 billion over nine years. (“An Overview and Analysis of the Democratic Presidential Candidates’ Health Care Reform Proposals,” 9/7/03).



Kerry Fails to Address the Fundamental Problem


Historic Cost Increases. According to the Kaiser Family Foundation, expenditures in the United States on health care have increased 87% since 1990, and are more than 5 times the amount spent in 1980. The $1.3 trillion in national health expenditures (NHE) in 2000 represents 13.2% of the Gross Domestic Product (GDP), more than 8 percentile points higher than the industry’s share in 1960. (Kaiser Family Foundation: Trends and Indicators in the Changing Health Care Marketplace 2002)

John Kerry’s health proposal is a $900 billion government expansion that does nothing to deal with the underlying factors driving up higher health care costs. (“An Overview and Analysis of the Democratic Presidential Candidates’ Health Care Reform Proposals,” 9/7/03)
Kerry opposes plans to reduce frivolous medical liability lawsuits. According to a 2003 Joint Economic Committee report, meaningful medical liability reform could lower health care costs sufficiently and another 3.9 million Americans could afford health insurance. A recent survey found that 8 out of 10 doctors say they have ordered more tests than they need to as a defensive measure to avoid litigation, and 3 out of 4 refer patients to specialists more often than they believe is medically necessary. The broken medical liability system drives up costs for patients and for taxpayers – at least $28 billion each year for the federal government alone.

Kerry opposes Health Savings Accounts. A major factor in the rise in health care costs is the removal of the patient from the health care decision-making process. Studies show that consumer-driven health care lowers costs. Aetna recently unveiled results of a nine-month study comparing their consumer-driven HealthFund and a similar population enrolled in the insurer’s PPO plan. Costs for HealthFund participants rose by just 1.5%, compared with 15.7% for the control group. (Source: Aetna press release, “Aetna Research Shows Positive Impact of Consumerism on Health Care Decisions,” 2/16/2004)

Kerry’s plan simply shifts the burden to the taxpayer. What Kerry claims is a “savings” of 10 percent is simply a shift of the burden of high health care costs to the American taxpayer. In addition, the Kerry reinsurance program is only available to employers and insurers who agree to mandates of the level of coverage, the use of savings, and the eligibility of workers.

tq?

Crimson,

Once again, facts kill the liberals. Muahhahahahahaha

The number of people without health insurance does not just include those who can't afford it. It has been reported many times that some people who can afford it choose not to get any simply because they have other things they want to spend their money on, like Gucci and Vacations in the tropics and other obvious signs of wealth, or just plain tight-fistedness.

As for the Europeans who have Government Health Care, it has been reported that in some countries if you're old or going to die in a few years anyway...aka aren't going to be a productive tax paying citizen...you're at the bottom of the priority list when it comes to actually getting medical attention.

Bottom line, anytime the government controls programs they also control you. And it's only a fantasy that all will be controled/treated equally. As with most government programs you can't rise above poverty level and still get help. Take welfare recipients for example. They cannot own a home and still get welfare. They have to rent. All liberal program ideologies need to be scrutinized for who would qualify before running off thinking the 'idea' sounds like a winner for you.

I just went on my dental appointment yesterday, and when it was over(I got my teeth cleaned, and a questionable crown x-rayed, the first question was, "Do you have your insurance card?"

Of course not. I paid cash, and received a discount for it. Now, that is the way to do things.

Sorry, John, you're right! There are those who prefer to pay cash as need be. Nothing wrong with that! So do I! It all boils down to choice over force. Long live conservatives!

My gripe is really with those who can afford it, don't get it so they spend their money elsewhere, then want to complain that the government should give it to them. Those who don't get it when they could and don't complain are what America is all about!

You people are so deluded about the reality of the health care crisis in America that it is not even worth arguing with you. Go ahead and live in your fantasy world, and if the reality hits you or your loved ones someday, you have yourselves to blame.

Some points:

the long list of arguments provided are not arguments but rather a CUT and PASTE job from the bush reelection website

bush as an incumbent is running on his record. What is on his website is propoganda. Under his regime, many millions more Americans have lost their health insurance. His record on health care has been a complete failure. Why oh why would you hire someone who has performed so badly again?

As far as paying cash for health care in America, you have got to be kidding! A rather common appendicitis emergency can cost 100 THOUSAND DOLLARS! You should also know that when uninsured people enter the hospital system they are charged DOUBLE or MORE of what insured people are charged. This is because thed insurance companies have negotiated BULK RATE DISCOUNTS for their members. As a naked uncovered person. you don't have that group power. If you think I making this up, do some basic research, and make points you have developed yourself. Do not bother cutting and pasting more bush campaign propoganda.

Tell me, and all of us for that matter, Thaiquila. Where were you during the eight years of the Clinton admisistration? Were you screaming about the lack of heath care then? Have you been getting all over the Democrats for the last 48+ years of your life because they have not passed national health care legislation?

And tell me Thaiquila, before 1995, just how many years have the chambers of our national legislative branch been under the control of the Democrats? And also, do you really think that JFK, the lesser, will make things change, for your bated breath, tomorrow?

And tell me Thaiquila, do you really believe that the Democrats are your best avenue to get that which you deem the most important? Do you really believe that your "party oriented" ideology is going to get you what you so earnestly desire?

Perhaps you are barking up the wrong tree Thaiquila? Perhaps you would be best advised to join the Socialists?

And remember this Thaiquila. The country has begun to turn away from all this Collectivist bilge for some time now, and it is accellerating. Soon, perhaps in a decade, you will not even recognize the Democratic Party. What are you going to do then?

Are you thinking of Sepiku? Because if not, where else do you have to go, other than to the Socialists! Of course, you could still move to Cuba. At least until the "Maximum Leader" passes on to the next Collectivist/atheist plane.

Clinton tried to reform health care access. He failed. But at least he tried.
Kerry has a much better shot at moving this issue forward, largely because of DEMOGRAPHICS.
Baby boomers are getting older, and most folks over 40 have at least one chronic health condition. Baby boomers are a huge political force in US politics. Stupidly, health care access in America is tied to EMPLOYMENT. This is folly.
People with chronic medical conditions cannot purchase medical insurance privately. In some cases, they can, but the cost might be thousands of dollars a month; basically unaffordable for all but the very wealthy.
The democrats are the only game in town for health care access reform. Bush has done NOTHING, plans to do NOTHING, and does not care a wit about the issue.

Thaiqulla, things will only work out for you and all those aging "boomers" such as yourself, when there is a market approach added to the problem. Otherwise, you're just whistling "Dixie in the Dark". It is simply too costly, inefficient, and too Socialistic.

Of course, with you being a good Collectivist/ Democratic Socialist/Friendly Fascist, (whatever), you will welcome this. Therefore, I am not surprised.

Thaiquila to world; "long live egalitarianiam".

The bottom line is that Bush is trying to sell a lot of crap that the health care system is working as it is now and has been under his regime.
Anyone who looks at this at all knows it is broken and that Bush has not done jack.
Why would you believe such a person that he is going to action now that he has done nothing in his four years? If you believe that, you deserve what you get.

Kerry is making promises. He deserves at least one term to show us what he can do.

What really disgusts me are people who keep yelling America Number One, when in health care America is at the BOTTOM of the civilized world.

Things can be better. They will never be perfect, but positive change is possible, but ONLY if you admit there is a problem to be fixed.

So, I take it that you agree with my previous statement above, since you chose not to mention it. Interesting.

John L,
you live in your own little fantasy world, and have your own precious language that requires you to decode it, so I was not responding to you. I am talking about the topic of the thread. That Bush has done nothing, that the situation has gotten much worse under his regime, and that he has the utter gall to still ask for votes on this issue. It is not working. And he doesn't deserve one vote.

Let's see what President Kerry can do. It would be quite difficult to do worse than bush on health care.

I hate it when people tell lies about the realtive performance fo their country in terms of health. Here is what the OECD has to say:



Take a look at the data for yourself! The lead that the US has above all other rivals is staggering!

OECD key findings

Healthcare spending per capita is double what it is over here in the UK, and more is spent on your public sector in health per capita than the socialised NHS in the UK, it really is quite staggering... I knew you guys had it good, but this good! WOW!

The quality of the system is NOT measured by the dollar amount of expenditures!
Over 44 million Americans lack any access to basic health care.
Where is the quality there?
International organizations that compare nation's health care systems have rated the US very low because of the high cost and the lack of access.
How is that for bad? Super expensive AND unavailable?

Bottom line. Get a job & get health care. Nobody owes you anything. Get out there and do something for yourself and stop whinging!

To Thaiquila, it is measured by the degree of Socialism that we impose on the public. Fortunately, the majority of the voters disagree with him.

In fact, everyone has equal access to "basic" health care. Thaiquila simply believes that it should be free for them, carried on the back of those who produce and contribute to the economy.

To TQ, quanity equals quality.
Perhaps to groups measuring input, but where it really counts is in the output, or actual services. And if you think that it is expensive now, just wait until it is free!



Of course, it is expensive to pay for. If you count in the cost of lawsuits, regulation and controls imposed by the Friendly Fascists in both parties, but particularly from the Democrats, and you have a nice recipe for problem.

Socialize it and it will go to he11 in a handbasket. If you want to see where things started out with great intentions, but ended up a mess, check out TennCare. Or Check here too.

Now, I don't expect Thaiquile to even attempt to read the articles, as it goes against his unreal ideas of how the economic workd works. But perhaps someone will take the time and digest it.

Oh, and TennCare was started by the former Governer, Ned McWhorter, a Democrat. Are you surprised?

You don't seem to understand the evidence Thaiquilla, and you don't provide sources for your empty rhetoric. Until you do I will leave me comment there, and would simply remind you of the evidence:

• US spending is 140% above the OECD average, and rose in 2002 2.2 times faster than GDP, compared to an OECD average of 1.7 times the rate of GDP growth.
• You spend more on socialised healthcare per capita than the UK, and we have a free at the point of use NHS!
• Your total spending is DOUBLE UK spending!

This hardly adds up to a failing healthcare system, unless you can provide evidence to the contrary.

I also saw evidence that the US healthcare system is the most productive in the world but alas I cannot find the source...

WOW, you've really lost it now.

Every poll shows that healthcare is the 6TH, yes that's right folks 6TH most important issue to voters this year, God how I love watching you grasp at straws!

George W. Bush also has a plan to address the healthcare issue, which he will go into much more detail about during our convention and afterwards.

Gideon,
how is this source for you?
The WORLD HEALTH ORGANIZATION ranks the US
37th best in the world.
Not the best. 37th best.
That is SHAMEFUL for the richest country in the world that spends the most on health care.


http://www.ama-assn.org/amednews/2000/08/28/gvsa0828.htm

See also this link about the crisis in American health care; it refers to the high spending and LOW results:
http://abcnews.go.com/sections/WNT/DrJohns...re031021-1.html

Gop,
a couple of points.

Thank you for referring the Zogby poll! You are learning there, chappie.
Yes, healthcare is ranked sixth as the TOP issue for voters.
Among those voters, the vast majority favor Kerry.

As for as the Bush plans, he has had FOUR YEARS. It is JUDGEMENT time for Bush. In private industry, he would be kicked out on his ##### for poor performance. It is time we hold him to the same standard.

Actually that was Opinion Dynamics Corporation polling, FAIR polling, lol, not that you would know

Ummmm.....sweetie, the date on that article is August 2000....I think your guy was in office then!

Since that time, many millions more of Americans have lost their health insurance, and given that ACCESS is a significant factor in the WHO ratings, be clear that the rating of 37th would now be LOWER, pumpkin.

So patriotic Americans, you really think this is OK to be rated so low?

BTW, America is 24th life expectancy. Does that sound EFFICIENT to you, Sir Limey?


France is number one:
"WHO named France as the nation that provides the best overall health care to its citizens. The other countries that round out the top five are: Italy and the tiny nations of San Marino (also known as the Most Serene Republic of San Marino), Andorra (or the Principality of Andorra) and Malta. "

Thaiquilla,

It seems that If I were to objectively judge your healthcare system I would conclude that it is the best in the world and it is very highly funded and very efficient.

However, the efficiency of your healthcare system comes at a cost, and that cost is equity.

There is a fundamental debate to be had here, and If I were an American I believe that I would be looking to try to find a mixture of equitable healthcare within a market structure.

Since I am unaware of the finer details your current arrangements I can't offer much more thought on this subject, except to point out that socialised medicine leads to large waiting lists, lower funding (since private money is choked off), inefficiency and waste.

YOU might also like to consider that the reason the US has DOUBLE the healthcare spending of the UK is because you have such a large private sector... which accounts for roughly a half of the money...

Since your public spending per capita is about equal to our socialised NHS. perhaps your problem is not the amount of money in the public domain, but how efficiently and effectively it is being spent...

Senor Gid,
If you have a problem with the UK health care system, by all means get involved in improving that in the UK.
In the US, the health care system is in crisis.
The democratic party under the leadership soon to be President John Kerry has a plan to reform a broken system.
Bush has had four years and things have gotten considerably worse.
On this issue, bush is a big loser, and deserves no votes.
Performance matters and bush's medical issue performance needed a megadose of viagra. Any promises he makes now are NOT to be believed. He had his four years. Time to boot out the bum.

We have health care opportunities. For many they are unaffordable to be sure but for others it's a 'you can lead a horse to water but you can't make them drink' thing, but this is nothing new and not something that can be changed by electing Kerry. You seem to forget that we have a Congress that could initiate changes in our health care system. Why is it that with liberals it's always just the president's fault? Do you think if you elect Kerry he will become God?

In the US now, the entire show is controlled by bush's party:
executive branch, senate, house of reps, supreme court.
bush has not performed and neither has his party.
Time to clean house, and bush is a good place to start.

So many voters can't be wrong!

Yeah? Hitler was voted into power in an election.

TQ, isn't that the very same France that allowed so many of it's senior citizens to die from heat related causes last summer? Aren't they the ones who take such great care of their elderly?

BTY, where did you get this sterling information from anyway? Oh, I see, that report came out BEFORE the deaths last year, right?

Oh, and all on the list are real powerhouses economically. They may have GREAT health care, but everything else sucks. I see. Who cares about looking at things holistically. When you are he11 bent for Socialized health care, nothing else matters. You know; little things like national defense, neater toys, better living conditions, higher income, etc, etc,.

Surely, you're not comparing Bush/Republicans to Hitler!

John L,
as I am sure you know if you have ever experienced a life threatening medical situation, all the money in the world, all the neat gadgets, all the bombs, are worthless compared to keeping good health.
You claim to be a spiritual man and you call me a spiritless man.
It is clearly the opposite.
You are worshipper of MAMMMON!

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/Mammon

Kerry summarizes his health care proposals, accuses Bush of having DONE NOTHING about the issue:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/artic...-2004Aug19.html

Done nothing, huh? Does having such a viceral hatred for a decent man like Dubya preclude you're recalling his prescription drug benefit? Took a BIG page out of the Liberal handbook on that one, eh?

Do not fear John, one day tequila will realize that socialism doesn't owrk and that the private sector is actually a good thing.

He still hasn't gotten through lesson #1, healthcare MEANS CRAP comapred to the economy and the war on terror, ask any informed voter.

You are not even talking about the issue in the post.
The issue is HEALTH CARE ACCESS and coverage for ALL AMERICANS, of ALL AGES.

The drug change you are talking about is for people on MEDICARE only, OVER age 65.

This isn't Scandanavia or the U.K...and we don't want to be like them either.