The Kerry campaign and Kerry can't seem to connect the fact that Kerry trashed ALL the Vietnam Veterans to what they are saying about Bush trashing Kerry as a Viet Vet! Do they honestly think Americans have no neural pathways with which to figure this out in a split second?

Kerry has trashed multitudes of honored veterans and accused them all of war crimes and he's trashed the National Guard for being cowards! And he expects to have a volunteer army to command? I think perhaps he wants us NOT to have a military at all. That would surely please his commie buddies.

well right off the top your premise is just flat out WRONG.

here is what John Kerry actually said before the Senate in 1971..




obviously what Mr. Kerry was saying there, is that he was testifying as to what those 150 soldiers personally told him they had personally done.

NOWHERE did John Kerry ever say ALL vietnam veterans did this.
NOWHERE did he accuse any specific veterans of things they hadn never done.

he was simply making a point to put that testimony about the war on record in front of the Senate, and we now know that NOTHING he said in front of the senate was untrue.

there WERE war crimes.. there WERE atrocities.. the whole ###### thing was an actrocity.

and John Kerry, as the TRUE American he is, fought to stop the senseless and needless death of more Americans on top of the 50,000 that had already died.


John Kerry was not responsible for how some other ignorant Americans treated veterans when they came home. everybody is responsible for their own actions and their own free will.. John Kerry can not be held responsible for what other people did.

the only argument u have here now, is arguing that by saying what we all know now to be the TRUTH, he was somehow "betraying his brothers" and "aiding and comforting the enemy".


u know as well as i do that's complete BS.

the TRUTH can NEVER be wrong.

and wether what John Kerry said "aided and comforted" the VietNamese is IRRELEVENT, because we had already lost that war (and far to many lives) well before John Kerry even came home from VietNam.


face the facts and stop trying to argue this in bubble devoid of any historical context.

and wether what John Kerry said "aided and comforted" the VietNamese is IRRELEVENT, because we had already lost that war (and far to many lives) well before John Kerry even came home from VietNam.


IRRELEVENT? not according to United Statse Federal Statutes......... there Bunky

But of course you wanna bes couldn't care less about our LAWS huh

Giving Aid and Comfort to The Enemy in Wartime is very serious indeed

for you to have judged it otherwise...... amplifiies your postion...... as an America Hater

ummm.. John Kerry made that statement in front of a room full of SENATORS, who, in case u have a limited knowledge of American government, are the people who actually MAKE "federal statutes".. lol.

if what he said violated the laws, why didnt they arrest him and put him in jail RIGHT THEN and THERE?


maybe because your argument is nothin but a bunch of smoke blowin out yer ying yang?? mmmhmm.. thats what i thought.



John Kerry told the TRUTH.

if u would like to debate otherwise, please provide evidence that American soldiers did NOT commit war crimes and did NOT commit atrocities.

ask Colon Powell about My Lai if u have any questions about the atrocities of VietNam.

if telling the TRUTH is "aiding and comforting the enemy", then maybe we should have thought about that BEFORE getting involved in the war and BEFORE training our boys to go out there and mindly kill gooks.


the fact of the matter is, the VietNamese already KNEW these things were happening, the American public KNEW these things were happening before John Kerry opened his mouth. there was already courtmarshal testimony on record.


saying that this was aiding and comforting the enemy is like saying discussion of Abu Ghraib is "aiding and comforting the enemy"..

and in that case, defending Abu Ghraib is a REALLLLLLYYY shaky position to take there buddy..

no, the difference is i LOVE America..

i LOVE it unconditionally, right or wrong..

but i also LOVE it enough to want to make it better, and that means ACKNOWLEDGING AND LEARNING FROM OUR MISTAKES.

u hardline Repugnicans are all about that Christianity religious right stuff, so u KNOW the Bible says nothing on God's green earth is perfect..

well that includes AMERICA.

but even tho we arent perfect, that doesnt mean we arent the best country on the face of the earth.. because we are. thats why im here, and im sure thats why youre here and why so many people flock to our country every day.

BUT, just because we are the best nation on earth doesnt mean we dont make mistakes and it doesnt mean we cant do BETTER.


and THATS the difference between me and u and people of your shameless, pseudo-patriotic ilk that like to fly your flags real high and bark real loud about "smokin em out" and "dead or alive", and accuse other people of being "America haters" because we dont agree with u.


unlike u, i dont have to close my eyes and ignore our mistakes and buy into the "America is the apex of perfection" myth in order to love my country.

i NEVER want America to stop growing, stop striving to reach its potential or stop always trying to do better...

THATS what the American dream is all about.

not how much u gloat and beam and LIE about how perfect our country and our leaders and their decisions ALWAYS are.

not how much u celebrate about killing "gooks" or bombing "towel heads" or just basically kicking arse of whatever "new n!gg@s" America has this year (as Richard Pryor so eloquently put it).


sometimes we #### up and get egg on our faces, and the only way to do better is to learn from our mistakes. and we cant do that if we never acknowledge them.



God Bless America.

with all the unnecessary violence and destruction u preach and condone, u better pray that He blesses u too.

with all the unnecessary violence and destruction u preach and condone, u better pray that He blesses u too.


such psychologhical projection one seldom enocunters oustide the walls of a home for the Terminally Disturberd

put another way........................u be trippin

haha.

thanks for the witty retort and informative insight. i always appreciate substantive debate with Repugnicans.

i was simply trying to speak to u on YOUR terms, as it is Bush and the Repugs that always talk about God and patriotism, and now u tell me im "trippin".

so when im supporting Kerry's testimony, im an "America hater", but when im a God fearin patriotic American, "i be trippin" ??

which one is it? have u been taking waffle lessons from the Dick Cheney school of "Hi my daughter's a lesbian" ?


let me just say this..... if "Terminally Disturberd" is the alternative to people like u, then I'LL BE DAT!

BOO HOO HOO!!



The Kerry campaign has tried every trick under the sun to deal with the Swift Boat Vets for Truth short of actually dealing with their very credible and damaging claims in any sort of substantial and serious matter (which incidentally is why they're not going to be able to make the story go away). Well today, Kerry dispatched Jim Rassman & Max Cleland to Bush's Crawford ranch in an effort to get favorable publicity get Bush to condemn the Swift Boat ads.

Well, it backfired, because for the first time, Team W. fired back at Kerry on what he did AFTER VIETNAM which will only help keep the Swift Boat Vets story alive

you have no choice in the matter

self blindedness is moy certainly not something a sane person would choose

your infected with ABB it will cogntively fatal unless you GROW UP

have a nce epiphany

Now It's Getting Really Weird

Here’s Flipper’s latest shaggy dog story: VC the Swift Boat Dog.

A new four-legged angle — actually a dog named “VC” — has suddenly materialized surrounding Sen. John Kerry’s swift boat service in Vietnam.
In a 2004 presidential candidate questionnaire for Humane USA, Mr. Kerry was asked whether any pets have had an impact on his life.

“I have always had pets in my life, and there are a few that I remember very fondly,” Mr. Kerry replied. “When I was serving on a Swift Boat in Vietnam, my crewmates and I had a dog we called VC.

”One day as our Swift Boat was heading up a river, a mine exploded hard under our boat,“ he continued. ”After picking ourselves up, we discovered VC was MIA (missing in action). Several minutes of frantic search followed, after which we thought we’d lost him. We were relieved when another boat called asking if we were missing a dog.“

Said Mr. Kerry: ”It turns out VC was catapulted from the deck of our boat and landed, confused but unhurt, on the deck of another boat in our patrol.“
J.J. Scheele, program director of Humane USA, confirmed yesterday that her organization did, in fact, receive the above statement from the Kerry campaign.
No military records on Mr. Kerry’s Web site, which aides say is a complete accounting, mention a mine exploding under his boat or any dog. The only report of a mine detonating ”near" Mr. Kerry’s PCF 94 was March 13, 1969, when Mr. Kerry says he was injured and a man knocked overboard.

What an idiot…who'd vote for this sham/creep/idiot/pretender/communist/gigilo/wanker!

http://www.washtimes.com/national/inbeltway.htm

ROFLMAO.

youre actually posting a story from the Sun Yung Moon Times???

HAHAHAHAHAHA.

i mean, the Smudge Report and NewsMax were bad, but the Sun Yung Moon Times? no wonder that freak idiot published a story about Kerry's dog in his newspaper, he probably wanted to EAT it!!

(DISCLAIMER: this is sarcasm and cynicism and not meant to offend anyone.. except Sun Yung Moon and his loyal follower Bone Mee)



what are u talking about?

VIRTUALLY EVERY SINGLE REPUTABLE NEWS AGENCY has investigated and debunked EVERY SINGLE CLAIM by the SwiftVets..

here are a few nice articles for u to read, if u can take your nose out of the oh-so-reputable Smudge Report and Moonie Times for a minute..

Here's one place you can find some of Kerry making accusations against honorable veterans. There's more, but I won't bother to go find them for you until Kerry signs the 180 and releases his Military Records as he harassed Bush to do.



It might interest you to know too, that when Kerry went to Vietnam after the war in search of MIAs and POWs he was resposible for giving the Communist Government there a clean bill of health that there were no more living MIAs of POWs in Vietnam.....He also twice was the sole blocker of a bill passed by the house almost unamimously to require our government to hold sanctions on Vietnam until they assured us they were not commiting acts of attrocities agaisnt innocent South Vietnamese civilians, The Vietnam Human Rights Act. With the clean bill of health and no sanctions the door was opened for uninhibited trade between our two countries. Vietnam's first commercial deal, worth $905 million was to develop a deep-sea commercial port to accomodate all the trade that was to come their way.....and who got that contract? JOHN KERRY'S COUSIN!!!!

Take your Kerry blinders off! No one who ever help any government office is perfect. It's time Kerry admited he is far from it as well.




The Massachusetts butcher
Armstrong Williams


April 5, 2004

Senator John Kerry wants you to know that he participated in war crimes while serving in Vietnam.

Appearing on the Dick Cavett show in 1971, Kerry leaned toward the camera and offered this rousing confessional: I did take part in free-fire zones, I did take part in harassment and interdiction fire, I did take part in search-and-destroy missions in which the houses of noncombatants were burned to the ground. And all of these acts, I find out later on, are contrary to the Hague and Geneva conventions and to the laws of warfare. So in that sense, anybody who took part in those, if you carry out the application of the Nuremberg Principles, is in fact guilty."

The remarks proved a real crowd pleaser (nothing plays in politics like the first person confessional of a former sinner who has found the error of his ways). This was Kerry's chief tact for launching his political career. Fresh back from the war, he embarked on a television tour where he confessed all manner of war crime and pleaded for redemption.

During a 1971 appearance on Meet the Press Kerry explained, "I took part in search and destroy missions, in the burning of villages. All of this is contrary to the laws of warfare, all of this is contrary to the Geneva Conventions and all of this is ordered as a matter of written established policy by the government of the United States from the top down. And I believe that the men who. . .ordered us. . .are war criminals."

Other confessionals followed. Each stop resembled the other. His voice sinks as he recalls the horror of strangers being sent to kill strangers. Some intentionally graphic war stories follow. He confesses his own crimes. Note certain recurring phrases, "burning of villages," "atrocity," "war criminals." Intake of breath. Then the big finale. Kerry paints himself as an instrument of unjust leaders. Relief. . .Empathy. . .Cathartic cheers.

The great redemption tour of 1971 culminated with Kerry telling members of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee that his fellow Gi's had "raped, cut off ears, cut off heads, taped wires from portable telephones to human genitals and turned up the power, cut off limbs, blown up bodies, randomly shot at civilians, razed villages, shot cattle and dogs for fun, poisoned food stocks, and generally ravaged the countryside of South Vietnam."

The images were intentionally vivid. They summed up the brutal and arbitrary nature of war. With heaps of pity and horror, Kerry distilled the confusion of war into an easily identifiable sound bite: "war crime." Along the way he impugned the honor of his fellow soldiers by summing them all up as "war criminals," thus encouraging savage personal attacks on soldiers returning home from Vietnam.

It did not matter. This was Kerry's aria, and he sang it with aplomb.

This is not to suggest that he lied (though some of Kerry's former comrades have done just that). It does however suggest that Kerry is unfit to serve as our president. After all, the Geneva conventions that Kerry was so fond of invoking require soldiers to report war crimes. This is common knowledge. The obligation to examine orders for legality, and the duty to disobey unlawful orders is made unmistakably made clear to all officers during their training. As a former Vietnam vet recalled , "This was hammered into us, and is the basis of individual culpability in war crimes cases. The individual, especially an officer, can not hide behind the 'instrument of policy' defense and claim that he is innocent, or blameless, but the policy is a war crime."

Yet that's precisely what Kerry spent the better part of 1971 doing. He claims to have participated in the arbitrary slaughter of innocent Vietnamese, but neatly shifts all blame for the massacre on to his superiors. I was just following orders, he confesses (Hmm, heard that before).

That message was a real crowd pleaser in the 70's and it's a tune he continues to tote to this day. When asked last month by CNN's Judy Woodruff whether he had accused his comrades of committing war crimes, Kerry shot back, "No, I was accusing American leaders of abandoning the troops. And if you read what I said, it is very clearly an indictment of leadership. I said to the Senate, where is the leadership of our country? And it's the leaders who are responsible, not the soldiers. I never said that."

That explanation doesn't hold water with the Vietnam vets I talked to. As one former vet put it: "It is hard for me to believe that during officer training for wartime that the requirements of the Geneva Conventions would have been glossed over or ignored. I think Kerry understood what war crimes were and what were not.

It was irresponsible of him to sensationalize his case against the war by claiming widespread, in fact daily, observance and participation in acts that meet that definition. Furthermore, were those things committed he would have had the duty, not to obey such orders or to initiate such orders himself. Rather than running for Congress in '72, he should have presented himself to a tribunal for trial if he truly thought this way."

I herewith suggest, it's not too late.

http://www.townhall.com/columnists/Armstro...w20040405.shtml

too "verbose".

and im sorry, but i dont give much credence to op-eds published on a website that calls itself "conservative news and information"



try some credible journalistic sources there tough guy.

and op-eds dont mean a dam thing.. opinions are like ###holes.. everybody's got one.

He shouldn't have any trouble remembering or recognizing a "pet". After all, he is one himself. They don't call him "the Poodle" for nothing!

You sound more like Idi Amin Dada every day.

Use this one for your next revolving avatar Huey.

Oh, here is another neat one


But I must confess that I love the Calypso Louie one best.

TALKING TOUGH, LOOKING STUPID, RUNNING SCARED







Yesterday, while Max Cleland wheeled himself into Crawford doing Kerry’s dirty work, Kerry was busy with his beloved photo-ops: playing football and impersonating a lobster. The irony of Kerry proudly displaying boxing gloves while he doesn’t have the courage to face the Swift Boat Vets or Bush himself.

The only time thus far Kerry has spoken out of his own mouth about the Swift Vet thing, answering questions, was on the Comedy Channel! Nice attempt to throw it off as a joke! It's not working...the real press is upset! LOL...Kerry gets dumber by the minute....oh sorry....exihibits bad judgement more frequently!

I also saw on the news that he's never been on time for anything during his campaign.....I know he wants to make a grand entrance...but that too is getting old! How late would he have been on 9-11?

One more thing....they say it's been his practice in all previous election runs to not speak about the issues until the last minute.....that of course means the public has no time to ask him what the h*ll he's talking about...but they say now that the Swifties have upset him he has had to start talking about issues earlier than he had planned....I just wonder how long he can last once he starts actually trying to make sense! LOL

Have you all seen the Kerry Drinking Game? I'll go find it and post it if you haven't ....very funny stuff!

I just want someone to explain to me how Kerry can be a war hero and an anti-war hero at the same time.

I'll be interested to see how many logical fallacies are used to try to prove it is true.

Cleo, don't forget admitted war criminal.

Irony:

Kerry calls for Rumsfeld's resignation because war crimes take place under his watch.

Kerry has admitted to war crimes.

I was just listening to O'Reilley interview the Democratic polster Pat Kadell, without question the most honest and strategic thinking of the Democrats. And he stated that Kerry's actions with regards to this Swift Vets things is beyond comprehension to him. He thinks that Kerry is creating a monumental mistake here.

And I agree with him!

I agree it is a debacle for Kerry, but what is it you suggest he do?

I think he would have to address a whole lot of things that may not bode well with the light of day.

Besides, to some degree it is a "he said/she said" situation.

Yes I did forget thank you for reminding me!

I think I am going to jump on the "Anyone But Kerry" bandwagon..... oh wait I was already there, after his "sensitive war on terrorism" comments.

And to think after his DNC speech, I was thinking he might not be so bad.....


And John, I'm going to agree with him too, although I think Kerry's mistake started when he decided to stand on the laurels of his Vietnam War record, I didn't think it was the best choice for him, but I had no idea how bad it was really going to be....

Me too.

Suckas.

All sounded so sweet, then next day back to usual.

This swift boat debacle is his downfall.

Time is left, but not much, and now that the GOP has found his sweet spot, I don't think there going to let go.

The anyone but Bush holds for the left, but think the middle is comming to the same conclusion- anyone but Kerry.

Kerry is so far up his own a*s he doesn't see that!

What's interesting is that so far, the Clintons have not had to leak anything bad about Kerry. Perhaps they won't have to.