For example, the majority of Americans under 65 get their coverage through their employers. Fewer and fewer employers are offering the insurance. Many of these workers with companies that do not offer insurance, are either not paid enough money to buy private policies, or have preexisting conditions and are uninsurable through private policies.

Bush solution: NOTHING! Let them die. In what way is bush different than Saddam Hussein in reference to the charge: HE KILLS HIS OWN PEOPLE.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/artic...-2004Aug30.html

are you insinuating that I should pay for their insurence with my tax dollars? (READ: "Free" health care)

You already are, FOOL!
In emergency rooms, etc. after the untreated conditions get more serious or terminal, and become more EXPENSIVE to treat.
What blindness.

I thought you didn't care about other people.

If we all chip in, and buy you a PPO, will you shut up and vote Bush?

Why would you think I don't care about other people?
On the health care issue, I favor UNIVERSAL HEALTH CARE for all American citizens. I also favor ABOLISHING the HEALTH INSURANCE COMPANIES and using a SINGLE PAYER SYSTEM. Yes, NATIONAL HEALTH CARE.
I don't want one American to die for lack of access to health care.

Because you said so.

Not one American to die because of lack of health care?

How naive.

Where exactly did I say I don't care about other people?
If you are going to make a charge like that, PROVE it.

Yes, it is idealistic to want the best for our American citizens. I said ACCESS TO, not lack of it. Some people can have access and not use it, but I want every citizen to have the choice of using it.

People will die on long waiting lists and from deadly super-bugs because of un-cleanliness instead... Come over to Britain, and I'll come over to America if you don't appreciate what you've got...

None of these liberal whiners appreciate anything about America, simply put, they hate America.

I'm not quite sure why they just don't move a nice quiet, safe place that has all they are looking for, like, say...Iraq?

Wait a second.

Here comes a "Gideon you don't know anything" rebuttal, as if that's an argument.

What a bunch of cheese heads

It's more of an arguement than my usual response... insults CERTAINLY don't qualify as arguements..

I think Thai had a good point, but the answer is not to create a National Health Service since this has problems too.

Thin ice, Thaiquila.

No.
We HATE bush.
Not America.
bush is not America.
Was Hitler Germany?

In the interest of fairness I suggest that whenever we suppend GOP4life thaiquila also get suppended so we don't have these unbalanced posts.
I notice that whenever gop is gone TQ's rantings become more vociferous and insulting.
I suggest the preemtive strike.

You would, bush lover.

Thai,

Are you really comfortable with the insane degree of partisanship you are currently displaying? Neo-Conservatism is not facism, because I am not a facist, and neither are 50% of American citizens.!

I TOTALLY agree with you, Gideon.
50 percent of America is NOT fascist!

But, yes, I do believe that the bush regime represents America fascism, and I hate fascism more than anything in the world.

I don't really understand what it means to you to be a British neocon, so I do not judge you. Your posts sound considerably more reasonable than george bush.

I'm from the Blairite wing of the vast right wing conspiracy..

i love how, when mccain knows you're right about something thai, he'll resort to personal insults .


its disgraceful

show some dignity, man. this isn't a place for children to come and make fun of one another. this is a place to discuss ideas and opinions in a MATURE way.


also, your insults lack substance and are generally false. please, use your head before you post... bob




when have we ever called your posts rants, even if we did disagree?

how are they insulting? because they oppose you?

Grow up, sir, or leave.

imperator,

It's nice to have a rational voice on the forum. It is getting far too partisan around here, and it is leading to extremism and hostility.

You are all Americans.. and as Le Mond said WE are all American now..

thank you, gideon.

while i was away from these forums, it occured to me that far too much animosity was being created between two groups who seek the same goal. (left & right wingers, seeking the best way to govern our world) the reason for this, i decided, was the current method of thought.. that a person with different views is an opponent.

however, i have come to the conclusion that it is folly to attack the other side of a belief system because you do not agree with them. it is not beneficial to anyone in any way at all, and in such contests reason is tossed away and emotion rules men's words. this creates un-needed hostility, and makes any agreement or acheivement of a conclusion impossible. too often, these days, do we forget the true goal of all of us is (or at least, we maintain to be) the same.

i think that this is a good analogy of the situation:

me and a friend go hiking. we encounter a split in the path. i decide to go left, while he thinks right is best , in terms of reaching our goal in the most efficient way.

the original plan is to explain what's going on as we trudge father along our diverging path's via walkie talkie, objectively gathering data and using it to support our hypothesis. After the path that is most efficient is determined, using data(smoother trai, faster, straighter) , the man on the other pass cuts through the forest and joins the man on the more efficient path.

however, as our protagonists march further onwards in their path, their debates over the walkie-talkie become more heated. Our protaginists don't want to be wrong, because otherwise they'll have to change after all this time, so they stubbornly maintain that their way is best. This leads to animosity, sullenness, and eventually, the absolute loss of any chance of coming to an agreement.


this is what i think is a large problem in the world today. people refuse to see where the other side is coming from, and when they do discover that they are wrong, they are afraid to admit it.

Very impressive Imperator. Impressive indeed.

I think you would be wise to continue to hold such ground, but up to you.