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Mr. McCain
The smell of panic is in the air according to a "veteran Democratic strategist" on the release of the TIME poll.

From the NY Post:

"Democrats were reaching for the panic button yesterday amid growing fears that John Kerry is blowing the 2004 race — while President Bush basked in the glow of a successful New York convention.

"The smell of panic is in the air," said a veteran Democratic strategist as Time magazine reported that Bush has suddenly built an 11-point lead over Kerry.

Democratic angst was fueled by Kerry's decision to hold a shrill, post-midnight rally right after Bush's well-received convention speech and blast the wartime commander in chief as "unfit to lead."

"It looked reactionary and panicky and angry — not confident. That's not presidential," said a senior Democrat.

Others said Kerry is starting to look as tone-deaf as 1988 Massachusetts loser Michael Dukakis.

The stunning turnaround began after anti-Kerry Vietnam vets went on the air with TV attack ads noting how Kerry once painted fellow vets as war criminals."

http://www.nypost.com/news/nationalnews/28061.htm

Heh. Of course an "11 to 13 point bounce" caused a bit of panic over in Camp Kerry. Sure, especially since most everyone was convinced there weren't enough uncommitted voters to give anyone a bounce. Here's a little clue: lots of people don't bother to pay attention until right about now. And lots more will begin paying attention just in time for the debates.

Time to face a few facts.

1. The support for Kerry has always been soft. Yeah, you got the ranting and raving Anybody But Bush crowd but they don't count for much and they'd vote for Mickey Mouse as long he was a democrat.

2. There is no denying the fact that the SBVFT have brought to the foreground questions concerning Kerry's number one platform, his service in Vietnam, and following that, his anti-war stance.

3. Camp Kerry's reaction to the SBVFT was pathetic and did more damage than good. Threatened lawsuits, intimidation tactics, lawyer letters, and his supporting talking heads (Carville, Davis, Matthews) made screaming fools of themselves. Unimpressive to say the least.

4. Voters are considering things like leadership, trust, honesty, values and likeability - things they should consider when deciding who to vote for. Kerry is in big trouble there, for 20 years his leadership has been non-existent, and all this flip flopping brings his honesty and trustworthiness into question. And people just don't seem to like Kerry.

5. The top issue in the polls are terrorism and homeland security. America knows where both candidates stand on this. A kinder, more gentle approach is not the answer when the threat is well recognized and important to voters.

6. Bottom line, even for those who don't like Bush, now that America is getting a look at Kerry, Bush don't seem so bad.

August was not a good month for Kerry.

Consider Kerry's Thursday night whine and screech fest and September is off to a very bad start, it looks to be worse for Kerry than August.

Of course, Kerry's Thursday opening line was a classic: "Something important happened tonight, the Red Sox pulled within 2 1/2 games in the East." Really? Well, maybe that was in the Cambodian Baseball League, 'cause in the American League, my Yanks were still up 3 1/2. Ha!

KERRY LIED!!!! KERRY LIED!!! Sigh. How pathetic is that?

In September - we will be talking about Kerry's Senate record. We have hardly touched on that juicy little topic as of yet.

Yupper. The smell of panic is in the air.

And to me, its smells like a breath of fresh air.
Thaiquila
Yes, there is panic.
I would be concerned if there wasn't.
A new strategy needs to crafted ... and soon.
The debates are still coming and events can turn any way in two months ... so don't chill the non-French sparkling wine just yet, fascisti.
politiphile
QUOTE (Thaiquila @ Sep 7 2004, 11:51 AM)
Yes, there is panic.
I would be concerned if there wasn't.
A new strategy needs to crafted ... and soon.
The debates are still coming and events can turn any way in two months ... so don't chill the non-French sparkling wine just yet, fascisti.

How about adopting a truthful strategy Thai ? We all know it would work if he had any truths to share with us. But there in lies the problem, his whole life is based on lies. There is absolutely nothing he can do to keep the truth from coming out and it will kill his campaign.

He based his campaign on 4 months in Nam not Bush or the Republicans. He is avoiding his Senate record not Bush or the Republicans. They are trying to get the focus on his 20 years in the Senate so People can see what he really stands for. That is the last thing he wants though. Only a coward would lie, decieve and make up a false resume to run for President on, and only morons would buy into and believe these lies. That's only 20 to 25% of the electorate though so kiss your a-s goodbye cause the end is quickly approaching this joke of a Presidential Candidate.

As far as the Debates go, Bush will have the opportunity to publicly expose him for the liar he is. Now bend over and grab your ankles, oh, wait, i forgot you love it that way don't you ? biggrin.gif laugh.gif tongue.gif
John L
As I have stated for months here on this forum, the fact that Kerry is a Senator, is working against him, and it is showing now. In Rich Galen's article,Senators As Presidential Candidates, he covers, to a small degree, just why senators do not get elected like governers do.
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One of the reasons Governors are elected President with such frequency is they have the skill set to manage complex systems - such as, in 2004, the world. No Governor in the history of Governors has ever called the Director of Motor Vehicles and said, "We've been handing out license plates with the wide side toward the customer. I think it would be better if we handed them across the counter narrow side out."

U.S. Senators do that sort of thing every day: They will work on a semi-colon buried in the 13th paragraph of a second degree amendment to a minor bill for weeks on end. And be darned proud that it was adopted by voice vote.

He continues,
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All Senators running for President sooner or later decide they need to take personal charge of some segment of their campaign - sometimes it is the advertising, sometimes it is the press operation, many times it is the schedule.

If I am the campaign manager and you are the political director there will come a time when you know that any decision I make can be appealed to THE SENATOR.

And I know that.

And THE SENATOR knows it and, in fact, encourages it.

Soon all the senior staff decides they can appeal my crummy decisions to THE SENATOR who likes being involved in the process because that is exactly what he or she is trained to do as a Senator.

When that happens, the campaign begins to sag because the decision-stack sitting in THE SENATOR's inbox keeps growing and growing.


In other words, senators are overly concerned over the details: governers are interested in concepts and issues. Senators micromanage ever little detail: governers macromanage, leaving the grunt work to others.

The same thing is happening here on the campaign. Don't expect it to ever change. Kerry is the old dog that has trouble learning 'new tricks'. smile.gif

PS: And don't think that Republicans are different. McCain is just like Kerry. He micro edits everything, and would also make a terrible candidate, AND president, simply because he is a schooled senator. In fact, the Senate should be a legal dead end for politicians. After all, they are already royalty. cool.gif cool.gif
jaybee
Another thing we witness as Kerry's campaign tries to reinvent him is how unwilling he is to take advice from 'experts' he's hired to help him.

Everyone has told him, including the Dema'God Clinton, to drop the Vietnam hero act! But will he? Not on your life!

What this says to me is, Dictator! ohmy.gif As president he'd have lots of advisers! If he won't listen to them now, he won't listen if he is president. Kerry is bad news!

Note to Repulbicans: Man the torpedos, matie...full speed ahead! *not a reference to Kerry's fleeing the scene of battle...he didn't have torpedos* tongue.gif
John L
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Everyone has told him, including the Dema'God Clinton, to drop the Vietnam hero act! But will he? Not on your life!

What this says to me is, Dictator!  As president he'd have lots of advisers! If he won't listen to them now, he won't listen if he is president. Kerry is bad news!-Jaybee

Jaybee, I don't think so here. I really believe that Kerry is in a corner and knows it. He has allowed his campaign staff to be run by the Clintonistas(he really has to), knowing that he really can't trust them. HE knows about the Hildabeast's desire to run for president in 2008, and he is in the way. But he does not know that for sure.

Consequently he is forced to play along, communicate with Bubba, and appear solid with unity, while at the same time distance himself from them. It is an impossible situation for him. It is truly a 'lose, lose' position, that has quickly gotten out of hand. If he suggests something, he is steered along, not knowing whether it is on purpose in order to discredit him, or really to help. He is in a true 'military bind'.

So expect things to get worse from within the Democratic shell. Remember, what you see, is not what the kerry campaign has got. Just pay close attention to the insiders, read The Note, The American Spectator's Political hay, and some other sites on the internet. They will show little sketches of just what is really happening inside the Kerry Juggernaut. And, believe me, it isn't pretty. wink.gif
Thaiquila
John L, that is ridiculous.
Association with Bill Clinton helps Kerry enormously.
If only John Kerry WAS Bill Clinton, what a cake walk that would be!
John L
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John L, that is ridiculous.
Association with Bill Clinton helps Kerry enormously.-TQ

Sure TQ, and I am the tooth fairey. Even Dickl Morris stated tonigh on O'Reilley that Clinton does not want Kerry to win. And I will pay more attention to his professional abitlities than your day dreams.

Further, the campaign is being run like a bunch of Keystone cops were out to get them elected. Pat Cadell tonight also thinks that the Kerry campaign is so screwed up, they are completely destroying themselves.

And you probably didn't even take the time to read the Rich Galen article I posted above either,since is conveys something you are unwilling to admit.

Welcome to OZ TQ. Just make sure that you pick up after yourself, and turn out the lights when you finally leave. rolleyes.gif
Thaiquila
JL,
If you can't do more than run summaries of Fox news, why bother posting?
John L
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If you can't do more than run summaries of Fox news, why bother posting?-Thaiquila

Oh, that's right. Fox news is that place that pretends to be a news channel. I almost forgot.

Aren't they owned by that Moonie person? Oh, that's right. He runs that worthless rag called the Washington Times. Murdock owns Fox, but he is even worse than Moon, as he is more successful and is a Right Wing Fascist corporate hack to boot.

I should have known that I was terribly wrong, since you are always correct.

Sorry for the miserable mistake TQ. rolleyes.gif ohmy.gif
Thaiquila
You are learning. Good boy. I always say the Sephardics, though limited, are very clever and can be trained.
John L
When you say that, don't forget to use the 'smiley face'. smile.gif
ft.niagara
QUOTE (Thaiquila @ Sep 7 2004, 04:51 PM)
Yes, there is panic.
I would be concerned if there wasn't.
A new strategy needs to crafted ... and soon.

I am amazed how vulnerable Kerry is. He is wide open for attack on Viet Nam, and soon his strange Senate record. Why didn't the primaries go for Richard Gephardt? He might not have won, but at least he did not have so many skeletons in his closet.
politiphile
QUOTE (ft.niagara @ Sep 9 2004, 06:42 AM)
QUOTE (Thaiquila @ Sep 7 2004, 04:51 PM)
Yes, there is panic.
I would be concerned if there wasn't.
A new strategy needs to crafted ... and soon.

I am amazed how vulnerable Kerry is. He is wide open for attack on Viet Nam, and soon his strange Senate record. Why didn't the primaries go for Richard Gephardt? He might not have won, but at least he did not have so many skeletons in his closet.

The answer is simple Niagara, The Dems think they can manipulate the people to believe their version of the story. They are convinced that if you tell a lie enough times , it becomes the truth.
ft.niagara
Politifile, I think the reason they went for Kerry was because the electorate in the primary states saw him as electable. They did not care if he were Mickey Mouse as long as he was electable, and put Bush out of office. Kerry was not their choice, it was just that they thought he to be the best of a sorry lot. Dean excited them, and ultimately scared them. They turned to Kerry because they saw him as the best of the rest. I do not think they ever knew all the skeletons which would appear. Of those running in the Democrat primaries, I liked Gephardt the best, but yes he probably would not have won, but if he had I could have respected him at least.
politiphile
Your probably right about the skeletons in his closet. My view on the original Dem. line up is not one of them was qualified to be DOG CATCHER much less President. No offense to any Dog Catcher's out there.
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