He supported the war in Viet Nam.

http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?t...ws§ion=news

Big Deal.

Kerry aided and abetted our communist enemy while in the military= treason and got away with it
Kerry tried his level best to dodge the draft, but wasn't too good at it apparently
Clinton dodged the draft AND protested the war in Vietnam by burning an American flag and became president anyway


Kerry refuses to release his full military records
Bush released his full military record.
Kerry needs to put up or shut up.



*yawn*

BOSTON (Reuters) - President Bush fell short of meeting his military obligations during the Vietnam War and was not disciplined despite irregular attendance at required training drills, The Boston Globe said on Wednesday.

In a probe of the president's service in the Texas Air National Guard, the newspaper said Bush appeared to have broken his contract with the U.S. government by not joining an Air Force Reserve unit when he moved to Massachusetts from Texas in mid-1973.


Hasn't stopped him sending others to fight

The danger is that if we elect Kerry, then the danger is that we'll be attacked. Cheney is saying that if we elect Kerry and we're attacked, then the danger is that we'll treat it as a criminal act rather than an act of war. And in context, it's actually pretty transparent that this is what Cheney intended. So transparent once you look at the full transcript. In fact, some of the misreading is deliberate, either as a left-wing moonbat tactic or an attempt to generate a news story.

Boon Mee

You're posting on the wrong thread. Changing the subject in a major way.

Back to the subject of Draft Dodging.

Oh My, Oh My, Now it has come out that Bush is a draft dodger. We are really sunk now. Kerry has just neutralized Bush. Not.

The reason this story has no legs is because millions of kids joined the Guard or the Reserves to avoid Nam. My own Brother joined the Reserves after his lottery # came up as # 54 and they were drafting up to 125 that year.

Bush never lied about his service nor did he try to make himself out to be a hero falsely. Americans will never hold this story against him.

Rush Limbaugh went through the Bush record today, and as I remember, of the six years he signed for, he completed more than enough time to equal that. Within the first two years, they were almost all active time. He flew many hours in the F102. During the years of the later seventies, I served in an Air Guard unit at Niagara Falls NY. Five people died during that period flying those planes, one on the runway. Also said was that during those end years of Bush's contract, the military was downsizing, and early outs of obligation were common. You were doing the government a fovor to leave.

During WWII, my father was a B24 pilot. During one mission, his engine and landing gear was shot out. He took the plane to the ground, because I presume there was no clouds to hide in, and soon was the target of a hoard of Messershmidts. His plane fought them off and shot many of them down, and they made it back to an allied base for a belly landing. Yes, he completed the 50 required missions on another plane to get out of combat aircraft. For this, he was put in for, but never received the Silver Star.

This in contrast to Kerry who got a Silver Star for shooting a teenager in the back. At the very least, I consider Kerry's medals SOFT, and his heroism questionable. No amount of Bushbashing will ever change my mind on that.

Oops..sorry 'bout that. But, while we're on the subject of Bush's so-called draft-dodging here's a good piece on the "documents" that supposedly support that argument. Bottom line - they're forgeries!

http://hughhewitt.com/

Did your brother also desert from the Reserves ?

Ahemmm...read the post directly above and get back to me...

The Killian memos show that Bush was suspended from flight duty for failing to take the physical exam. He defied a direct order of a superior officer by failing to take the flight physical. It should have been easy for him so why not take the exam unless where there is smoke there is coke?

Why would anyone give up flying a fighter jet to go campaigning for some Alabama hack politician? It does not make sense. George W. (AWOL) Bush lies about everything. He lied to Tim Russert and he lied to the American people about his military record.

No wonder he tried to sweep the issue under the carpet with his phony faint praise of Kerry's record and his phony condemnation of campaign contribution abuses. He did not want this can of worms opened. Well now it's been opened.

Hail to the LIAR in CHIEF. Hail yes.

I'm sure the American people will see this as another one of Kerry's cry baby antics.

Time for Mr. Neverbepresident Kerry to start talking about his own life minus his ludicrous military 90 day trip.

Check out the articles of the FORGED memo's and reconsider your accusations. What you libs don't get is that you are supporting Slanderous Deceptive Lowlifes who think nothing of cheating to win. The American People will reject them for that reason alone. Add in the fact that he is an anti defense coward and you've allready lost, most libs are just too dumb to admit it.

My brother served 6 years as a weekend warrior with 2 weeks training every summer for special training. But he accomplished his real goal and avoided Nam.

By the way, why aren't you libs posting any poll results any more ? have you noticed the numbers in Ohio, Pa, and even New Jersey ? Mcgreevey has pushed Bush with in a couple of points of lurch in a State Republicans never win in.

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Nothing bush has done, including the filth spewed by his swift load of sheit veterans for slander have done a wit to change the sorry prospects of this failed and dangerous president.

President Kerry. Get used to it.

http://www.zogby.com/news/ReadNews.dbm?ID=853

Just thought i would give you a taste of the good old days Thai. Poll after poll shows kerry's negatives going through the roof. I'm sure you know if you vote for a loser, you become the loser so get comfortable and prepare to lose big.

And the Bushies have only begun! If the libs would read something other than lies that make them feel good they might see the bombs coming! So much more on Kerry is about to be dropped...so much more ready to be released about the correctness of going into Iraq when we did...so much more on France, Russia and the worthless corrupt UN...so much more on who's supplying the insergents...awww....can't wait!

I can't keep up with all of the scandals this guy is going to have to deal with. I remember how mad i was when the Swift Boat Vets had their Press Conference on C-Span and it just dissapeared from the Press. Now i realise that the Republican Spinmeisters were just waiting for the right time to release these stories. I think their biggest problem is informing the people of all of the despicable things these libs have, are, and will do to win.

It's just deserts for the Barking Moonbats. No wonder Bush doesn't care to have three debates - he'll finish Waffles off in one!

Don't worry the truth is out there, this will come back to bite Kerry on the behind as well as everything else his campaign has tried.

"Bush’s National Guard years
Before you fall for Dems’ spin, here are the facts

What do you really know about George W. Bush’s time in the Air National Guard?
That he didn’t show up for duty in Alabama? That he missed a physical? That his daddy got him in?

News coverage of the president’s years in the Guard has tended to focus on one brief portion of that time — to the exclusion of virtually everything else. So just for the record, here, in full, is what Bush did:

The future president joined the Guard in May 1968. Almost immediately, he began an extended period of training. Six weeks of basic training. Fifty-three weeks of flight training. Twenty-one weeks of fighter-interceptor training.

That was 80 weeks to begin with, and there were other training periods thrown in as well. It was full-time work. By the time it was over, Bush had served nearly two years.

Not two years of weekends. Two years.

After training, Bush kept flying, racking up hundreds of hours in F-102 jets. As he did, he accumulated points toward his National Guard service requirements. At the time, guardsmen were required to accumulate a minimum of 50 points to meet their yearly obligation.

According to records released earlier this year, Bush earned 253 points in his first year, May 1968 to May 1969 (since he joined in May 1968, his service thereafter was measured on a May-to-May basis).

Bush earned 340 points in 1969-1970. He earned 137 points in 1970-1971. And he earned 112 points in 1971-1972. The numbers indicate that in his first four years, Bush not only showed up, he showed up a lot. Did you know that?

That brings the story to May 1972 — the time that has been the focus of so many news reports — when Bush “deserted” (according to anti-Bush filmmaker Michael Moore) or went “AWOL” (according to Terry McAuliffe, chairman of the Democratic National Committee).

Bush asked for permission to go to Alabama to work on a Senate campaign. His superior officers said OK. Requests like that weren’t unusual, says retired Col. William Campenni, who flew with Bush in 1970 and 1971.

“In 1972, there was an enormous glut of pilots,” Campenni says. “The Vietnam War was winding down, and the Air Force was putting pilots in desk jobs. In ’72 or ’73, if you were a pilot, active or Guard, and you had an obligation and wanted to get out, no problem. In fact, you were helping them solve their problem.”

So Bush stopped flying. From May 1972 to May 1973, he earned just 56 points — not much, but enough to meet his requirement.

Then, in 1973, as Bush made plans to leave the Guard and go to Harvard Business School, he again started showing up frequently.

In June and July of 1973, he accumulated 56 points, enough to meet the minimum requirement for the 1973-1974 year.

Then, at his request, he was given permission to go. Bush received an honorable discharge after serving five years, four months and five days of his original six-year commitment. By that time, however, he had accumulated enough points in each year to cover six years of service.

During his service, Bush received high marks as a pilot.

A 1970 evaluation said Bush “clearly stands out as a top notch fighter interceptor pilot” and was “a natural leader whom his contemporaries look to for leadership.”

A 1971 evaluation called Bush “an exceptionally fine young officer and pilot” who “continually flies intercept missions with the unit to increase his proficiency even further.” And a 1972 evaluation called Bush “an exceptional fighter interceptor pilot and officer.”

Now, it is only natural that news reports questioning Bush’s service — in The Boston Globe and The New York Times, on CBS and in other outlets — would come out now. Democrats are spitting mad over attacks on John Kerry’s record by the group Swift Boat Veterans for Truth.

And, as it is with Kerry, it’s reasonable to look at a candidate’s entire record, including his military service — or lack of it. Voters are perfectly able to decide whether it’s important or not in November.

The Kerry camp blames Bush for the Swift boat veterans’ attack, but anyone who has spent much time talking to the Swifties gets the sense that they are doing it entirely for their own reasons.

And it should be noted in passing that Kerry has personally questioned Bush’s service, while Bush has not personally questioned Kerry’s.

In April — before the Swift boat veterans had said a word — Kerry said Bush “has yet to explain to America whether or not, and tell the truth, about whether he showed up for duty.” Earlier, Kerry said, “Just because you get an honorable discharge does not, in fact, answer that question.”

Now, after the Swift boat episode, the spotlight has returned to Bush.

That’s fine. We should know as much as we can.

And perhaps someday Kerry will release more of his military records as well."


Byron York is a White House correspondent for National Review. His column appears in The Hill each week.

http://www.hillnews.com/york/090904.aspx

And now for some BALANCE to counter Cleo's propoganda item:
http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n...1300EDT0591.DTL

sphinctersayswhat? Thaiquila thank you for giving that detailed listing to completely corroborate the article I posted! Kudos!

Seems all the libs are making blunders these days! Must have confused their own selves with all their twisted tales.

Some confusion here ? I'm pretty sure we've established that the Republicans are the Slanderous Deceptive Lowlifes who think nothing of cheating to win.

Who's cheating? The Democrats are the ones who have concocted this latest scandle about Bush's National Guard service. The documents are forgeries! Y'all should be ashamed! Dan Rather is as good as history!

The whole thing sounds very fishy. We will see how it shakes out. You really cannot be so naive as not to realize the right wing is capable of all manner of very sophisticated tricks. So if these are frauds, that is one thing, but the second thing is who exactly engineered the frauds and for what motivation? It is entirely possible that they were engineered by the right wing to make the left wing and media look bad.

Of course, this is all sleaze, the swift boat lies and this too.

The campaign should really be about real issues.


But we all can see this is going to be one of filthiest elections in history, and there is no turning back.

Let's just hope the best man (KERRY!!!) wins.

Tell that to Kerry. As far as he goes with any of the issues is to say Bush was wrong without offering anything specifically that he would do differently. He just leaves his 'plan' up to each individual person's imagination in hopes everyone will think his plan is exactly what they want.

Reminds me of the 700 club "I'm feeling someone with back pain has just been healed" and everyone with back pain thinks it's them even though their backs are still hurting.

Lets cut to the chase. The policies of the Republicans and Democrats are very similar. Therefore it's all down to who should be president.

Kerry - Vietnam vet, long serving senator.

Bush - draft dodger while others went and died, closet gay, fraudulent insider trader, partner of the Saudi's, ex drug addict, born again christian.

I'm voting for Bush, I mean Kerry is so Bland. Bet he never even inhaled.

Whada mean you're voting for Bush. You don't even have a Green Card!

Let me fix that up for you:

Kerry - Vietnam vet, Anti-Vietnam War protestor/sellout, gigolo, windsurfer, yachtsman, long serving senator, contradictor.

Does that make him exciting enough for you or should I go on?

What have you got against wind surfing ?

Kerry does it

Utterly fascinating. how to you rectify this with him volunteering for 2 tours of Duty?

Yall make so much of a deal out of his upbringing, then ignore it whenever it gets in the way. Kerry is a Forbes and as such would have had lots of political clout with which to avoid serving. Thats exactly what Bush, Cheney, Quayle, Lloyd Bentsen's son and a ton of other folks did. Clinton didn't have the connections so he used school and went to London.


Do I blame GWB for not wanting to go to Vietnam? no. Do I blame him for supporting the war, and then ducking out of his own responsibility in it? A bit. Do I blame him for ducking out, then attacking people who did serve (Apparantly, McCain's 5 years in the POW camp made him unfit to be the president, according to Bush et al) ? Yes, I do. that is low, dirty, childish, mean. That shows exactly how much respect for the men and women in the miliary that he actually has.

Got that Green Card yet? They have a lottery for them now...

I'm always amazed by how many foreigners feel like they have to take our country on instead of their own.....theirs must be so far gone there's no hope left so why try.

Penis envy? Opps, I forgot, you're a girl................................................

How do you rectify the fact that Kerry bailled out of Vietnam after only 4 1/2 months on three purple hearts, none of which caused any serious injury, hospitalization, or disability?
Inquiring minds want to know bro!

How long did Bush spend in Vietnam ? I can't find this information anywhere.

Lamphy the fact that Bush did'nt serve his duty in Vietnam is patently irrelevant.
Whether or not someone was physically in combat does not diminish someones' service record. While falsifying combat reports does.

If you want to look closely at Bush's service you will see he was a top qualified F102 fighter pilot.
Remember the cold war was in full swing at the time and home security and military readiness were serious issues. The training that GWB recieved as a fighter pilot was not half-a$$ed.
The US Airforce did not let bozo's strap-on F102's.
While the Navy actually had some high standards too it is clear that sometimes they would goof and let a calculating premadonna with poor judgement slip through. But they usually saw their error quite quickly, hence JFK the lesser's premature depature from the war zone.
Read up Lamp Kerry was really not a highly regarded skipper.

Blobby

I beg to differ. Dodging the draft is IMHO a sign of a weak backbone and hardly the sort of person qualified to lead a country, especially in a time of crisis.

Bush's service record it now becomes evident was doctored by the commander of the unit he occasionally served in. The news from the rear is that he was too stupid to learn to fly and was a danger to himself and others.

Lowest quartile in the qualification testing and yet he jumped over hundreds of others and dodged the draft.

The rich are different from us.

Here's a question ....Kerry had a pilot's license...he was also a trained stunt pilot...he LOVED to fly planes.....why then did he join up with the Navy and not the Air Force?

Hint: His friends from Yale said he fancied himself the second coming of JFKennedy, and said he wanted to start his political career with the boat thing like Kennedy did. They claim Kerry told them this.

You ARE the biggest hypocrite there, lamphun! Your favorite President is a self-avowed Draft-Dodger. Man, I can't believe you've left yourself open like this!

Clinton isn't running in this election, in case you haven't noticed.

Your boy claimed to have served his country. Instead he was AWOL. Who's the hypocrite here ?

Dang gum up all Lamp you shore is one geniuts. How can I be like you?

You could try bathing.. it's all the rage.

I was wondering why the girls were crinkling thier noses. I owe you one!