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Boon Mee
LYING, FRAUDULENT CBS

Jon Podhoretz is on Hugh Hewitt and pointing out that there are ligatures between the letters that could only arise with a computer. It is obvious that CBS has perpetrated a massive fraud on the country! CBS claimed to have had it checked by a document expert; how did he miss the obvious errors?

This is nothing less than a massive fraud aided and abetted, indeed, committed by the mainstream media. Amazingly, CBS is sticking to the story, but ABC reportedly covered the possibility of fraudulent documents during their evening news (pre-empted by the football game here).

One really obvious thing: the P.O. Box on one of the memos is #34567; nobody would have had that P.O. Box back in the 1970s; it's almost like somebody mentioned Sergeant Baba-Hooey in the middle of one of the memos. Lying, fraudulent, STUPID CBS.

You know what would be cool? This could have come out 3-4 days before the election; that way it would make the Wellstone Funeral look reasonable. If they can tie this back to Kerry, he's toast. laugh.gif
politiphile
Thanks for posting this Boon, this just get's better and better. By the way, kerry's allready toast he's just too dumb to know it. Are you listening Thai?
Boon Mee
A real big echo in here, huh! laugh.gif
politiphile
Here's the latest on the forged Bush Memo's.

http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/n...cal/9629371.htm
lamphun
Appears that it's genuine. Why don't you guys drop this sad loser and come back in four years.
jaybee
QUOTE (lamphun @ Sep 10 2004, 02:19 PM)
Appears that it's genuine. Why don't you guys drop this sad loser and come back in four years.

Lamp, we can all read and see otherwise. You're making yourself look silly. Don't you mind that?
lamphun
Yes you can read, but you don't seem to able to discern truth from lies. Drop the dope. Maybe you can support McCain for 2008. At least he won't be a puppet for the likes of nutters such as Carl Rove.
Boon Mee
Well, John you fought a good fight so you can be proud. You are a war hero and got to run for president. Don't worry, Hilliary will certainly look at you as a possible VP candidate in '08. Go home to Tereesssa and have a hamburger with fries and lots of Ketsup. On second thought maybe a cooked goose salad. It's healthier for your heart. laugh.gif
John L
The American Spectator is back on line again, and here is the article that sparked such a rush as to cause a total meltdown of it's servers. In Anatomy of A Forgery, The site explains in detain how CBS and the Kerry campaign were acting in concert in order to 'get out' the latest dirt on the Bush National Guard story.
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More than six weeks ago, an opposition research staffer for the Democratic National Committee received documents purportedly written by President George W. Bush's Texas Air National Guard squadron commander, the late Col. Jerry Killian.

The oppo researcher claimed the source was "a retired military officer." According to a DNC staffer, the documents were seen by both senior staff members at the DNC, as well as the Kerry campaign.

"More than a couple people heard about the papers," says the DNC staffer. "I've heard that they ended up with the Kerry campaign, for them to decide to how to proceed, and presumably they were handed over to 60 Minutes, which used them the other night. But I know this much. When there was discussion here, there were doubts raised about their authenticity."

The concerns arose from the sourcing. "It wasn't clear that our source for the documents would have had access to them. Our person couldn't confirm from what file, from what original source they came from."

But they did it anyway, and now CBS must learn to live with what they have done to their stature(and the rest of the elite media), AND the next target is the Kerry campaign itself.
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A CBS producer, who initially tipped off The Prowler about the 60 Minutes story, says that despite seeking professional assurances that the documents were legitimate, there was uncertainty even among the group of producers and researchers working on the story.

"The problem was we had one set of documents from Bush's file that had Killian calling Bush 'an exceptionally fine young officer and pilot.' And someone who Killian said 'performed in an outstanding manner.' Then you have these new documents and the tone and content are so different."

The CBS producer said that some alarms bells went off last week when the signatures and initials of Killian on the documents in hand did not match up with other documents available on the public record, but producers chose to move ahead with the story. "This was too hot not to push. If there were doubts, those people didn't show it," says the producer, who works on a rival CBS News program.

Now, the producer says, there is growing concern inside the building on 57th Street that they may have been suckered by the Kerry campaign. "There is a school of thought here that the Kerry people dumped this in our laps, figuring we'd do the heavy lifting on the story. That maybe they had doubts about these documents but hoped we'd get more information," says the producer. "If that's the case, then we're bigger fools than we already appear to be judging by all the chatter about how these documents could be forgeries."

ABC News' political unit held a conference call at 7:00 p.m. Thursday evening to discuss the memo and its potential ramifications should the documents turn out to be a forgery. That meeting took place around the time that the deceased Killian's son made public statements questioning the documents' authenticity.

According to one ABC News employee, some reporters believe that the Kerry campaign as well as the DNC were parties in duping CBS, but a smaller segment believe that both the DNC and the Kerry campaign were duped by Karl Rove, who would have engineered the flap to embarrass the opposition.

And this is not the end of the matter.

Longtime Democratic strategist Pat Caddell said Friday that if documents aired by CBS newsman Dan Rather Wednesday night turn out to be forged as alleged by experts, the presidential race "is over."

Caddell said he wasn't trying be sensationalize the issue, explaining that instead, "I'm trying to save my party, you know, by telling the truth."

He said that forfeiting the presidential race would be the least of his party's problems if Democrats are tied to any forgery scandal.

"The race is over - and we've got bigger problems than that," he warned.
"It would be the end of the race," Caddell told Fox News Live. "It would be the end of the race," he repeated.
NewsMax.com
Huey_P
wow.. a story citing an unnamed "CBS producer" written by "The Prowler" on an extreme right wing website sure does put the nail in the coffin!


oh, and the FAUX News quote from so-called "Democratic strategist" Pat Caddell, who has been bashing the Democratic party for a couple decades really just proves it all to me!


whatever will i do??

rolleyes.gif
John L
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wow.. a story citing an unnamed "CBS producer" written by "The Prowler" on an extreme right wing website sure does put the nail in the coffin!-Huey

Well, first of all, in your infinite wisdom, you neglect to mention that if they were "named" then he would lose his source, the source would be fired, and he would not be able to get any more information. And you also do not mention, or even are aware, that their sources have been extremely accurate. That is why they had their server crash. So many people believe them.
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oh, and the FAUX News quote from so-called "Democratic strategist" Pat Caddell, who has been bashing the Democratic party for a couple decades really just proves it all to me!-Huey

Can you say 'sour grapes' here? Fox is number 1, and you must learn to get used to it. And Pat Caddel is interested in making sure that his party does not end up in the tank. Actually, he is more farsighted than the 'party Cossacks' on his side of the isle. And the sooner you and the rest of the party 'get it', the sooner you can become competitive in the political future.

Wake up and smell the gunpowder 'homey'.
Huey_P
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Well, first of all, in your infinite wisdom, you neglect to mention that if they were "named" then he would lose his source, the source would be fired, and he would not be able to get any more information. And you also do not mention, or even are aware, that their sources have been extremely accurate. That is why they had their server crash. So many people believe them.


lol ....even the AUTHOR of the story wasnt named!

why should i believe the "he said/she said" of some guy that wont even take credit for his words? "the Prowler"... what the h3ll is he a comic book villain?

and thats the whole point.. the author wont identify himself, his source is some alleged "DNC employee" and it's written in a right wing extremist rag.

sounds like a conspiracy theory to me...

but hey, here's a good website that "proves" 9/11 was an inside job. laugh.gif

http://www.prisonplanet.com/wheres_the_inferno.htm

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Fox is number 1, and you must learn to get used to it.


oh.. "Fox is number 1"

.."theyre server is crashed cause so many people went to their site"

blah blah blah..

so the amount of viewers that watch FOX automatically means theyre the most legitimate, credible news station?

the amount of people that check a website automatically makes it true?



in that case, Michael Moore is the most honest filmmaker cuz he made the highest grossing documentary in history, and Britney Spears is the best singer cuz she sells 437289 million copies of her albums.

laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif
John L
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oh.. "Fox is number 1"

.."theyre server is crashed cause so many people went to their site"-Huey

I can see why you are having so many problems now. You are having trouble writing, and thinking things through, because you are actually reading things(input) incorrectly.

I stated
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The American Spectator is back on line again, and here is the article that sparked such a rush as to cause a total meltdown of it's servers.-John L

How did you get Fox News out of that, unless you were either stoned or simply cannot read things correctly? Has anyone suggested that you take a remedial reading course?

Also, you might think seriously about double checking your posts PRIOR to putting them out. This could help your otherwise discredited reputation here.

Oh, and you might also want to 'finally' check your terrible spelling. This can also be a great help as you mature and start looking for a descent job. smile.gif

sounds like a conspiracy theory to me...

but hey, here's a good website that "proves" 9/11 was an inside job.
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sounds like a conspiracy theory to me...

but hey, here's a good website that "proves" 9/11 was an inside job.-Huey

My, you certainly have a low threshold for believing the truth. At least as long as they are not from the 'right'. I would not hesitate to state that you are a prime candidate for conspiracy theories, not me. wink.gif
Huey_P
wow.

u wrote all that long, drawn out shite and yet STILL managed not to address any of the issues in the post. INCREDIBLE!

and your use of personal insults was mighty eloquent too, i might ad!

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How did you get Fox News out of that, unless you were either stoned or simply cannot read things correctly?


how did i get Fox News out of that? probably because YOU mentioned it!



were YOU stoned? or are u too old to even remember what u wrote a few minutes ago? sounds like u got the Gipper's problem.. better stick with his son and vote Kerry, that stem cell research might fix your problem one day. laugh.gif

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My, you certainly have a low threshold for believing the truth.


ROFLMAO.

YOURE the one that posted that stunning article by the most credible of journalistic sources, "The Prowler" !!

seems like your threshold for truth is so low its ### is dragging on the ground!!

hahaha.
John L
I shall try this once again, and if you still do not grasp the fallacy of your statement, I must allow others to point it out to you. You state.
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oh.. "Fox is number 1"

.."theyre server is crashed cause so many people went to their site"

The two do not go together. I mentioned the fact that the server of "The American Spectator" had crashed, not Fox's. Don't you see that?

Now, I was mentioning Pat Cadell with his statement on Fox, not "The American Spectator". You thought you read things correctly and believe that, as you mention above that Fox is #1 and their server crashed?

You may very well need more than a remedial reading course, Huey.

Tell you what. Perhaps someone else will wade through this and comment here for the benefit of both of us, ok?
Thaiquila
CBS stands by the authenticity of the documents damning coward, slimeball, war criminal, george w. bush:

http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n...1708EDT0680.DTL
John L
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CBS stands by the authenticity of the documents damning coward, slimeball, war criminal, george w. bush:-Thaiquila

Since CBS(Columbia Bull Sheite) is on the same level as your ad hominum language, please pardon me if I reject your groundless assertions.

The truth is that the papers are forgeries. And here is the latest on the same subject. Hugh Hewitt received an authentic E-Mail from a professor of Computer Science proving conclusively that they are indeed 'stinkers'. Go here, and read the messages, if you can stand the heartburn.
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Hi Hugh,

I am a Professor of Computer Science at Rice University who has
followed the evolution of word processing technology over the past 30
years. A cursory glance at the "Killian documents" shows that they are
forgeries, the product of a modern word processing system. Even the
most powerful word processing systems available in the early 70's were
not designed to produce propotionally spaced documents. Moreover,
no mechanical typewriter, even with variable letter widths like the
IBM Executive typewriter, could produce precise propotional spacing
comparable to a modern word processor. Precise proportional
type-setting is a very demanding computational problem. Since modern PC's
are more powerful than supercomputers from the 70's, we take this form
of computation for granted.

Read it at peril to your intellectial laziness. cool.gif
John L
here is another nice little article for all the red meat folks, who also enjoy a little tongue-in-cheek by lines.
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La Femme Kerry said the other day that anyone who did not support her husband's health care plan was an "idiot," which if true means they are the same cohort of folks who still believe the CBS documents on President Bush's service record are genuine.

As of this writing, the network is said to be investigating the situation. Of course, this is not a real investigation, in the police sense. CBS leaves that sort of thing to fiction, on its CSI programs, for example. What they're investigating is how to minimize the public relations damage.

They have only two choices: they must either be the duper or the dupee. In other words, either someone at CBS was in on the fraud, or they were defrauded by the con artist who passed off the forgeries as genuine.

What did Dan Rather know, and when did he know it?

For someone like Sandy Berger, it is always better to claim sloppiness than evil intent, but for a news organization, the issue is not nearly as clear. It is the job of an organization like CBS to sort out the real from the phony. If they don't do that, what earthly good are they?

In other words, it may be better, PR-wise, for them to blame the mess on overzealous producers than to admit that someone on the outside sold them a bill of goods.

Regardless, the culpability in this case goes only so high up the executive food chain. CBS is owned by Viacom International, Inc., a corporate giant that also owns such entities as Blockbuster, Paramount and Simon and Schuster. The Chairman and CEO is a man named Sumner M. Redstone, a Harvard-educated lawyer who ran a film distribution company called National Amusements, a closely-held company which acquired Viacom, then only a cable TV company, in 1987.

It would appear from his biography, that Mr. Redstone is a Democrat, but I'll bet my portfolio he wasn't part of the Bush-Guard scam. And I'll further bet he's p---ed off something fierce.

So that's lesson #1 here. The newsies like to complain about the giant corporate ownership that has taken over their business, forcing them – in their own minds at least – to surrender some of their independence. But it is "corporate" that is coming down on them like a ton of bricks right now, because they really and truly do need adult supervision.

If lesson #1 is the top-down lesson, lesson #2 is strictly bottom-up.

For decades, I have wondered why, if the three network news organizations were truly in competition with one another, they didn't act like they were. Eventually, I decided my sense of competition had been warped because of having learned it in the political game.

In politics, a major part of the competition is exposing your opponent's miscues. But that never seems to happen in the news business. Why, I often asked myself, don't the networks spend some investigative effort on one another, debunking the others' stories whenever possible? Wouldn't that be in the public interest, convenience and necessity? But they never do. Night after night, they simply report on the same news, with virtually the same lineup of stories, and it's been like that since the very beginning.

The only reasonable explanation is that none of the organizations wants to call the kettle black, for fear that they are equally pot-worthy. I think that's pretty close to the definition of what might be termed oligarchic monopolistic behavior, where a few companies have divvied up the market and are all getting fat and happy and don't want to risk anything.

So lesson #2 is that "them days is gone forever," because the market for news has uncontrollable players now. In other words, the Internet has arrived. Thank you, Al Gore.

The expose of CBS's phony documents was done by the blogosphere, that incredibly viral part of the Internet that can process information with lightning speed and disseminate it in ways that cause it to expand exponentially. Within a few hours, the bloggers had found the document experts who could authoritatively show the likelihood of Col. Killian's having typed those memos in 1972 was approximately equal to the likelihood that Plato wore a wristwatch.

When the network newsies aren't complaining about Corporate America having intruded into their space, they complain about how the "unreliable" Internet has intruded into their audience, and is deluding the populace with inaccuracies.

To use Mr. Kerry's favorite word, they're "wrong" on both counts.

This subject is truly going to be fun to watch. And My bet is that it goes all the way to the Kerry campaign, and lodges itself squarely up JFK, the lesser's, 'bottom'. And what is going to surly be worth all the popcorn is the deconstruction in 'slow motion'. You get to watch it and think about it at the same time. smile.gif

G-d, it is an awfully long time until November 3rd. Especially when you have that 'sinking' felling that can happen only when all your efforts of pasting the Elephant, really turns out to be "Pin The Tail On the Jackass"! biggrin.gif
Mr.Utilitarian
Thats right - FOX News is more credible than CBS. And we never landed on the moon. If I were you, I wouldn't be making any doping allegations, John L.

Interestingly, the forgery allegatios come from a blog. The posting in question was posed immediately after 60 minutes aired, and used specific information, from the line spacing to the type face to indicate it was a forgery. Stuff that was really hard to tell form the quick scene in the news program of the actual files.

This is really intersting, because that indicates that the forgery scandal has been the plan. The Bush's have TV spots pre-taped and in TV studios already for all sorts of things. One such ad "My opponent has personally attacked me" (*sniff*) was pre-taped, then used against Ann Richards when she finally said "Some jerk" a few weeks later.

So this is obviously a pre-organized Bush response to the program.
Rove is a tricky fellow with extremely sharp, tactical mind. I wonder what he is up to.
Mr.Utilitarian
What is funnier than anything, though, is the belief that GWB actually served honorably, and didn't get in with special favors. Thats rich! laugh.gif
Huey_P
can John L actually cite a source that's NOT extremely biased towards the right wing??

i mean TOWNHALL.COM, which on its homepage clearly states under its banner "CONSERVATIVE NEWS AND INFORMATION" ??

a story by Hugh Hewitt, who wrote a book called "If Its Not Close They Cant Cheat: Crushing the Democrats in Every Election"

??

come on John L.. youre shaming yourself with this right wing drivel.

would u give any credence to an article written by Al Franken or Michael Moore?


i didnt think so.. so excuse me if u have ABSOLUTELY NO CREDIBILITY in the eyes of anybody on this board other than your fellow intellectually blindfolded right wing neo-fascists. laugh.gif
Boon Mee


Ah, there's nothing better than watching a mainstream media liberal like Dan Rather sink deeper and deeper into a trap of his own making.
That's right, not only was Dan Rather dumb enough to stand by documents that were obviously forged in Microsoft Word tonight, he was arrogant enough to say that there isn't even an investigation in progress! Then as an extra added bonus, Rather trotted an anti-Bush author Jim Moore as an "expert" witness.
This is soooo sweeet because this story has no chance of holding up when even the Associated Press, Washington Post, & ABCNEWS are trotting out experts who're pointing out that these documents are bogus.

laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif
jaybee
QUOTE (Huey_P @ Sep 11 2004, 01:32 PM)
can John L actually cite a source that's NOT extremely biased towards the right wing??

Can CBS, Kerry, Kerry lemmings, cite a source that isn't manic left biased?

Come on, Huey! Your Michael Moore irrationale only makes you look as stupid and he is. You're not, are you?
Huey_P
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Can CBS, Kerry, Kerry lemmings, cite a source that isn't manic left biased?



how about this..


'KEY CHALLENGES TO NATIONAL GUARD DOCUMENTS ANSWERED'

Fri Sep 10 2004 19:03:11 ET

The biggest challenges to the authenticity of the documents featured in the 60 MINUTES segment on President Bush's Texas National Guard service are answered in a report to be broadcast on the CBS EVENING NEWS tonight (6:30-7:00 PM, ET/PT) on the CBS Television Network. The report states that the type style, typewriter and the superscript function critics claim did not exist at the time the memos from President Bush's former Texas National Guard commander were typed were indeed all available. In fact, similar raised "th" superscripts have been found on other National Guard documents the White House has released from the president's file.

Furthermore, Marcel Mately, the document and handwriting expert used to authenticate the documents for CBS News and 60 MINUTES, asserts that copies of the memos critics are examining have been degraded by reproduction though photocopying, computer scanning and faxing and are not reliable representations of the memos.

http://www.drudgereport.com/flash5.htm




but i suppose now you'll tell me Drudge is "left-biased" ??

hahahahahahahaha



desperate Repugs.

i know the desperation of seeing Bush's pseudo-bounce deflate faster than a fat girl sitting on a whoopie cushion really has u scrambling in a panic, but thats no excuse for willingly pulling the whool over your own eyes.
Boon Mee
Quote of the Day:

"To err is human but to really foul up requires a computer."
Author: Dan Rather

jaybee
QUOTE (Huey_P @ Sep 11 2004, 02:30 PM)
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Can CBS, Kerry, Kerry lemmings, cite a source that isn't manic left biased?



how about this..


'KEY CHALLENGES TO NATIONAL GUARD DOCUMENTS ANSWERED'

Fri Sep 10 2004 19:03:11 ET

The biggest challenges to the authenticity of the documents featured in the 60 MINUTES segment on President Bush's Texas National Guard service are answered in a report to be broadcast on the CBS EVENING NEWS tonight (6:30-7:00 PM, ET/PT) on the CBS Television Network. The report states that the type style, typewriter and the superscript function critics claim did not exist at the time the memos from President Bush's former Texas National Guard commander were typed were indeed all available. In fact, similar raised "th" superscripts have been found on other National Guard documents the White House has released from the president's file.

Furthermore, Marcel Mately, the document and handwriting expert used to authenticate the documents for CBS News and 60 MINUTES, asserts that copies of the memos critics are examining have been degraded by reproduction though photocopying, computer scanning and faxing and are not reliable representations of the memos.

http://www.drudgereport.com/flash5.htm




but i suppose now you'll tell me Drudge is "left-biased" ??

hahahahahahahaha



desperate Repugs.

i know the desperation of seeing Bush's pseudo-bounce deflate faster than a fat girl sitting on a whoopie cushion really has u scrambling in a panic, but thats no excuse for willingly pulling the whool over your own eyes.

I see what your problem is, Huey....you can't comprehend what you read.

The article says CBS NEWS will be making a report. CBS NEWS is of course a student of MM idiocy and a supporter of the rise of moronity in our nation.

Try again.
Huey_P
cute cartoon.

thanks for actually making a coherent political point..


Huey_P
politiphile
This is going to hurt the Dems Politically for a long time. If people can't trust a Political Party, they won't support them with their vote



Caddell: Dan Rather May Have Cost Kerry the Election

Longtime Democratic strategist Pat Caddell said Friday that if documents aired by CBS newsman Dan Rather Wednesday night turn out to be forged, as alleged by experts, the presidential race "is over."

"It would be the end of the race," Caddell told Fox News Live. "It would be the end of the race," he repeated.



"[Democratic officials are] so involved in this," the former Carter pollster worried. "They have gotten themselves so involved in this issue [in] the last 24 hours that somebody's going to, if they're not authentic, they're going to be blamed for it. It's incredible to me that they've gotten in this."
Caddell said he wasn't trying to sensationalize the issue, explaining that instead "I'm trying to save my party, you know, by telling the truth."

He said that forfeiting the presidential race would be the least of his party's problems if Democrats are tied to any forgery scandal.

"The race is over – and we've got bigger problems than that," he warned.
jaybee
QUOTE (Boon Mee @ Sep 11 2004, 02:31 PM)
Quote of the Day:

"To err is human but to really foul up requires a computer."
Author: Dan Rather


laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif

At least the cartoons for our side make sense.
Boon Mee
QUOTE (Huey_P @ Sep 11 2004, 08:37 AM)

Mine are a lot better than yours! laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif
jaybee
Imagine tying up McDonalds in their games. Clinton will be furious! laugh.gif

The Maniac Left has the mind of a...no my mistake....they have no mind at all!
ingognito
Its been proven - now that was a waste of a thread - you look silly now - next!
jaybee
QUOTE (ingognito @ Sep 11 2004, 03:02 PM)
Its been proven - now that was a waste of a thread - you look silly now - next!

What's been proven, oh master of disguise?
ingognito
QUOTE (jaybee @ Sep 11 2004, 03:03 PM)
QUOTE (ingognito @ Sep 11 2004, 03:02 PM)
Its been proven - now that was a waste of a thread - you look silly now - next!

What's been proven, oh master of disguise?

http://www.bearpit.net/index.php?showtopic=2272 cool.gif
John L

Thaiquila
Has mad John married Meshuga Mike? The veil of the appearance of sanity has melted.
Boon Mee
Dan Rather, interviewed using CBS' own standard of journalistic ethics:

“Mr. Rather, when did you stop beating your wife?”

“I have never beaten my wife – where did you hear this?”

“It’s not important where I heard it, or even whether it’s true – only your answer to these lingering questions about your wife-beating.” laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif
bob
QUOTE (politiphile @ Sep 11 2004, 02:48 PM)
This is going to hurt the Dems Politically for a long time. If people can't trust a Political Party, they won't support them with their vote



Caddell: Dan Rather May Have Cost Kerry the Election

Longtime Democratic strategist Pat Caddell said Friday that if documents aired by CBS newsman Dan Rather Wednesday night turn out to be forged, as alleged by experts, the presidential race "is over."

"It would be the end of the race," Caddell told Fox News Live. "It would be the end of the race," he repeated.



"[Democratic officials are] so involved in this," the former Carter pollster worried. "They have gotten themselves so involved in this issue [in] the last 24 hours that somebody's going to, if they're not authentic, they're going to be blamed for it. It's incredible to me that they've gotten in this."
Caddell said he wasn't trying to sensationalize the issue, explaining that instead "I'm trying to save my party, you know, by telling the truth."

He said that forfeiting the presidential race would be the least of his party's problems if Democrats are tied to any forgery scandal.

"The race is over – and we've got bigger problems than that," he warned.

this sure seems like an incredible act of desperation for the dem's to do this. I have a hard time believing Dan Blabber would do this willingly. It must have been some right wing act of subterfuge which caused them to go so far out on a limb.

I agree once all is said and done irreperable damage to the political process will have taken place.

It's starting to look like JFK the lesser will get the severe spanking he so sorely deserves. laugh.gif

I think they should put both Blabber and Scarry away for a long time, in the same cell! cool.gif
Huey_P
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this sure seems like an incredible act of desperation for the dem's to do this.


PROOF that "the dems did this" PLEASE
Boon Mee
[QUOTE=ingognito,Sep 11 2004, 09:07 AM][QUOTE=jaybee,Sep 11 2004, 03:03 PM] [QUOTE=ingognito,Sep 11 2004, 03:02 PM] Its been proven - now that was a waste of a thread - you look silly now - next! [/QUOTE]

Gent! I can't believe you're not taking the Lefty Moonbat "Deny 'till You Die" - line! biggrin.gif
John L
HODGES SAID HE WAS MISLED BY CBS

HODGES SAID HE WAS MISLED BY CBS: Retired Maj. General Hodges, Killian's supervisor at the Grd, tells ABC News that he feels CBS misled him about the documents they uncovered. According to Hodges, CBS told him the documents were "handwritten" and after CBS read him excerpts he said, "well if he wrote them that's what he felt."

Hodges also said he did not see the documents in the 70's and he cannot authenticate the documents or the contents. His personal belief is that the documents have been "computer generated" and are a "fraud".

CBS responds: ""We believed Col. Hodges the first time we spoke with him. We believe the documents to be genuine. We stand by our story and will continue to report on it."


CBS may wish to hire more lawyers,.............or better journalists. cool.gif

ABC News
Huey_P
source? link?


or are we supposed to take your word for it? ROFLMAOOOOOOOO
Boon Mee
Huey the Doubter. Huey the Unpersuaded by Reason.
Look anywhere outside your own Left-Wing blogs that are brainwashing you and you'll see the TRUTH! tongue.gif
John L
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source? link?


or are we supposed to take your word for it? ROFLMAOOOOOOOO-Huey

As I have stated before and you are managing to bear me out, you do not bother to accurately read anyone's posts. Look at the bottom of the post Mr. Detective.

I can find a nice little Remedial Reading Course for you if you are able to reach this point of the post without assistance. Contact me Huey, as others are getting your number, other than myself, and we wouldn't want your sterling reputation to take a hit on it. wink.gif
John L
60 MINUTES HID PRO-BUSH WITNESS
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'60 Minutes': Witness Who Contradicted Forged Docs Was Too 'Pro-Bush'

In its controversial report on President Bush National Guard record, CBS "60 Minutes" anchorman Dan Rather failed to include accounts from witnesses who challenged the content of memos now believed to have been forged because they were deemed too "pro-Bush."

Gary Killian - son of the late Jerry Killian, who commanded Bush in the Guard and who CBS claims had authored the suspicious documents - said Friday that he was interviewed two weeks ago by "60 Minutes" producer Mary Mapes.
In addition to challenging the central premise of the CBS report - that his father felt pressured to cover up Bush's allegedly sub par Guard performance - Gary Killian urged Mapes to interview Dean Roome, who roomed with Bush during his time in the Guard.

Ms. Mapes explained that "60 Minutes" had already conducted the interview, but was unlikely to include Roome's account in their report, telling Killian Jr.: "We think he is pretty pro-Bush."

Killian detailed his interview with Mapes to ABC radio host Sean Hannity on Friday, explaining that both he and his stepmother had been contacted by "60 Minutes."

But like Roome, their comments wound up on the cutting room floor.

"She wanted to interview me about my dad and how he felt about George Bush," he told Hannity. "Then she proceeded to ask me about documents."

Killian quoted the "60 Minutes" producer as saying, "We're trying to get our hands on some documents that your dad supposedly wrote that were not very flattering towards then-Lieutenant Bush."

Killian recalled that he immediately questioned whether his father would have written the critical comments, telling Hannity that he knew his father actually admired Bush because "we talked about it."

Killian Jr. even warned "60 Minutes" that any documents purporting otherwise were likely to be of questionable origin.

"I don't know of any such documents. Dad didn't keep any home office or anything like that. . . . There were no secret files, there were no off campus files. Any files that my father would have kept would have been in his office."

"60 Minutes" also contacted his stepmother, Killian said, who told Rather's crew that her late husband had great admiration for Bush.

Mrs. Killian has since challenged the authenticity of the CBS documents, saying her husband didn't even know how to type.

An astonished Hannity asked, "You said this to '60 Minutes' and they didn't include any of this in their report?"

"That's correct," Killian responded.

Ironically, while Gary Killian was on the air with Hannity, CBS issued a statement that claimed interviews conducted by Rather's team "with former Texas National Guard officials and individuals who worked closely back in the early 1970s with Colonel Jerry Killian and were well acquainted with his procedures, his character and his thinking" corroborated their questionable documents.

Here is the link Huey smile.gif
Boon Mee
The only expert cited by CBS in this case, Marcel Matley, wrote in the September 27, 2002 issue of the journal, "The Practical Litigator":

In fact, modern copiers and computer printers are so good that they permit easy fabrication of quality forgeries. From a copy, the document examiner cannot authenticate the unseen original but may well be able to determine that the unseen original is false. Further, a definite finding of authenticity for a signature is not possible from a photocopy, while a definite finding of falsity is possible.

Attempting to authenticate a signature from a photocopy is exactly what Matley did for CBS.

Game over. laugh.gif

courtesy of NPR - Kerry Spot
John L
Killian Memo Has Wrong Deadline, Cites Wrong Regulation

Two more little pieces of the puzzle are added today. One, the reporting date window for Bush to report for flight physical are not mentioned correctly. Two, the form for its use is incorrect.

Read the article and you will see that it is more and more becoming clear that the authenticity of the doccuments do not stand up to scrutiny. Killian Memo Has Wrong deadline, Cites Wrong Regulation. It is too detailed to insert a small quote, so you will just have to go over and follow the link.

This, of course, will not change the minds of Huey, nor TQ, and perhaps others. That is unfortunate, but will not effect the final outcome anyway. smile.gif
John L
Here is the Latest Mark Styne on this subject. CBS FAlls For Kerry Campaign's Fake Memo. This is guaranteed to have you laughing your Arse off, he11, even Huey should get a chuckle, if he ever gets around to taking that remedial reading course. cool.gif

Follow the link and read..............., oh what the he11, read it here. biggrin.gif

CBS falls for Kerry campaign's fake memo
September 12, 2004

BY MARK STEYN SUN-TIMES COLUMNIST


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A few weeks ago, Thomas Oliphant of the Boston Globe was on PBS' ''Newshour'' explaining why the hundreds of swift boat veterans' allegations against John Kerry's conduct in Vietnam was unworthy of his attention. "The standard of clear and convincing evidence," he said, talking to Swiftvet John O'Neill as if he were a backward fourth-grader, ''is what keeps this story in the tabloids -- because it does not meet basic standards.''

Last week, we got a good idea of what Thomas Oliphant's ''basic standards'' are. Dan Rather and the elderly gentlemen at ''60 Minutes'' were all atwitter because they'd come into possession of some hitherto undiscovered memos relating to whether George W. Bush failed to show up for his physical in the War of 1812. The media had been flogging this dead horse all spring, but these newly ''discovered'' memos had jump-started the old nag just enough to get him on his knees long enough for the media to flog him all over again.

Unfortunately for CBS, Dan Rather's hairdresser sucks up so much of the budget that there was nothing left for any fact-checking, so the ''60 Minutes'' crew rushed on air with a damning National Guard memo conveniently called ''CYA'' that Bush's commanding officer had written to himself 32 years ago. ''This was too hot not to push,'' one producer told the American Spectator. Hundreds of living Swiftvets who've signed affidavits and are prepared to testify on camera -- that's way too cold to push; we'd want to fact-check that one thoroughly, till, say, midway through John Kerry's second term. But a handful of memos by one dead guy slipped to us by a Kerry campaign operative -- that meets ''basic standards'' and we gotta get it out there right away.

The only problem was the memo. Amazingly, this guy at the Air National Guard base, Lt. Col. Killian, had the only typewriter in Texas in 1973 using a prototype version of the default letter writing program of Microsoft Word, complete with the tiny little superscript thingy that automatically changes July 4th to July 4th. To do that on most 1973 typewriters, you had to unscrew the keys, grab a hammer and give them a couple of thwacks to make the ''t'' and ''h'' squish up all tiny, and even think it looked a bit wonky. You'd think having such a unique typewriter Killian would have used a less easily traceable model for his devastating ''CYA'' memo. Also, he might have chosen a font other than Times New Roman, designed for the Times of London in the 1930s and not licensed to Microsoft by Rupert Murdoch (the Times' owner) until the 1980s.

Killian is no longer around to confirm his extraordinary Magic Typewriter, but his son denied the stuff was written by his dad, and his widow said her late husband never typed. So, on the one hand, we have hundreds of living veterans with chapter and verse on Kerry's fantasy Christmas in Cambodia, and, on the other hand, we have a guy who's been dead 20 years but is still capable of operating Windows XP. It took the savvy chappies at the Powerline Web site and Charles Johnson of ''Little Green Footballs'' about 20 minutes to spot the eerily 2004 look of the 1972 memo, and various Internet wallahs spent the rest of the day tracking down the country's leading typewriter identification experts.

Bombarded with accusations that CBS had fallen for an obvious hoax, Dan turned to his trusty Smith-Corona and bashed out a few e-mails: ''For the umpteenth time,'' he said angrily, ''this is the kind of sleaze I had to put up with when they scoffed at 'What's the frequency, Kenneth?' "

Are Dan Rather and ''60 Minutes'' a bunch of patsies suckered by the Kerry campaign? Not exactly. According to the American Spectator, ''The CBS producer said that some alarm bells went off last week when the signatures and initials of Killian on the documents in hand did not match up with other documents available on the public record, but producers chose to move ahead with the story.''

Hey, why not? Who's gonna spot it? If CBS says it's so, that's good enough for Thomas Oliphant's Boston Globe, the New York Times and the Washington Post, all of whom rushed the story onto their front pages because it met their ''basic standards.'' On Friday morning, Paul Krugman, the New York Times' excitable economist, filed a column called, ''The Dishonesty Thing,'' and for one moment I thought he was about to upbraid CBS for rushing on air with their laughably fake memos. But no, he was droning on about how the National Guard story demonstrated George W. Bush's ''pattern of lies: his assertions that he fulfilled his obligations when he obviously didn't ..." (Does anyone think that this sounds eirrly like Huey, or TQ?)

The tragedy for Rather, Oliphant, Krugman and Co. is that even if the memos were authentic nobody would care. Their boy Kerry had a crummy August not because he didn't hammer Bush for being AWOL in the Spanish-American War but because the senator's AWOL in the present war. Big Media are trashing their own reputations in service to a man who can never win.

After the 2002 election, I wrote, ''Remind me never to complain about 'liberal media bias' again. Right now, liberal media bias is conspiring to assist the Democrats to sleepwalk over the cliff.''

The media and the Democrats sustain each other's make-believe land. Dan Rather tells his staff, ''Kerry's told me there's nothing to this Swiftvet thing.'' Kerry tells his, ''Rather's assured me this Swiftvet story's going nowhere.''

George W. Bush ought to wake up every morning and thank the Lord the media aren't on his side.

Remember the Hitler Diaries? They turned up in the '80s. Only problem is they weren't by Hitler. But by then various prestige publications had paid a fortune to serialize them. Among them was the Sunday Times of London, owned by Murdoch, who wasn't happy. He called the editor, Frank Giles, into his office, and said, ''Frank, I'm promoting you to editor emeritus.''

''I've always wondered,'' murmured Frank, ''what 'editor emeritus' means.''

''The 'e-' means you've been given the elbow and the '-meritus' means you bloody deserve it,'' said Murdoch.

I have a feeling after November CBS News will be promoting Dan Rather to editor emeritus.

Either that, or next week's ''60 Minutes'' -- ''Exclusive! Handwriting Expert Says Bush Wrote The Hitler Diaries!'' -- will have much better fact-checking.

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If you don't get a good laugh out of this, you need to find a nice little cave up in he mountains somewhere. biggrin.gif
bob
I love it. I'm dying to see how Danny Blabber squirms and how the Bush-haters/Kerry supporters are seeing thier delusional world crumble before thier eyes wink.gif laugh.gif cool.gif
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