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politiphile
This proves there are 2 sets of laws in this country and lurch helps write them.



Don't Arrest Kerry in Shotgun Incident, Gun-Law Expert Says

A Gun-law expert Alan Korwin is calling for calm in the national uproar over John Kerry's possible serious gun violations during a recent photo op in Racine, W.V.

The national clamor over the Democratic presidential candidate, who took possession of a Browning semiautomatic shotgun outside his home state, reflects a problem with the laws and should not be used to arrest and prosecute the man, Korwin says.

A gun crossing state lines is heavily regulated thanks to John Kerry and his ilk.

"There are so many charges Kerry might face," according to Korwin, who has written seven books on gun laws, including the unabridged plain-English federal guide "Gun Laws of America."

1. Taking ownership of the shotgun gift, if he doesn't already have a valid Massachusetts Firearm Identification Card, could subject him to a two-and-a-half-year prison term in his home state. Since he has claimed publicly he owns firearms, chances are he has this critical piece of paper, Korwin says.

2. Bringing the firearm back to Massachusetts, if he received it from a private party, would be a federal felony under the 1968 Gun Control Act (five years in prison, $5,000 fine, 18 USC §922).

3. The only exemption that would allow him to bring it into his home state requires that he obtained it in a face-to-face transaction with a federal firearms licensed dealer (FFL). A private gift would not qualify.

4. If Kerry did get it from an FFL, he would have had to personally fill out and sign a 4473 form, required by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (BATFE), before the gift was given, under penalty of federal felony.

5. If Kerry did not personally undergo a "NICS" instant background check before the transfer from an FFL, he would have put the person conducting the transfer in some legal jeopardy, though the law contains a loophole that probably would save Kerry from additional harm (the dealer, not the recipient, suffers from failure to do the NICS check).

While gun lobbyists are inflamed that Kerry introduced a law that would outlaw this particular type of sporting shotgun and gun gifts in general, it is a good thing the law has not passed yet, because then it might be too serious a problem to simply ignore.

Korwin says that calls to indict Kerry are premature and "most certainly overkill. John Kerry should receive the same lenient treatment any other citizen deserves when innocently violating these complex and non-intuitive rules." At least give him a chance to explain, Korwin pleads.

Unfortunately, federal authorities from BATFE have been known in the past to be inflexible in their enforcement of even minor technical violations (note that none of these felony violations involve a victim or any sort of harm). With widely circulated evidence, in the form of photographs of Kerry in obvious possession of the firearm, he could find himself subject to the long arm of the law.

More importantly, Korwin says, "Some of these laws are just foolish, putting honest citizens at enormous and unjustified risk, and are so complicated that even a presidential candidate and his staff cannot figure them out."
jaybee
Go to jail, go directly to jail, DO pass the White House, do not collect a president's salary from my tax money! biggrin.gif
politiphile
QUOTE (jaybee @ Sep 13 2004, 09:06 PM)
Go to jail, go directly to jail, DO pass the White House, do not collect a president's salary from my tax money! biggrin.gif

From your mouth to Gods ears my friend. If there is any truth or justice in this world, after the Pentagon revokes his fraudulently obtained medals, he will be sent to Prison for 10 extra years just for being an A-hole.
bob
There is still time to indict him for his war crimes and his seditious activities against the US. I don't think there is any statute of limitations for war crimes.
John L
It ain't gonna' happen Bob. Sorry to disappoint you there. For him not to be elected president will be punishment enough for him. The attention brought to bear, the humiliation of defeat, the rejection of his fellow vets, and a host of other things will make him a pariah in his own party.

If this happens, I would not be surprised if he did not seek another term, or that his 'poodle' status might even be revoked. Can't you already tell how much the couple are in love with each other? cool.gif
jaybee
QUOTE (politiphile @ Sep 14 2004, 02:54 AM)
QUOTE (jaybee @ Sep 13 2004, 09:06 PM)
Go to jail, go directly to jail, DO pass the White House, do not collect a president's salary from my tax money!  biggrin.gif

From your mouth to Gods ears my friend. If there is any truth or justice in this world, after the Pentagon revokes his fraudulently obtained medals, he will be sent to Prison for 10 extra years just for being an A-hole.

I wish there was some way to make Kerry serve out his time he didn't serve by going home from Nam under false pretenses. wink.gif Whoever, let him have that 3rd heart needs to be in deep doo doo too!

A funny thing about Kerry I've noticed...he blames others for things he is hiding from that he knows he did...sort of to soften the blow from it when people find out he did the same thing only worse...like with the whole National Guard thing where it's such a big deal that Bush may not have completed his duty (pronounced by Kerry and his team "doodie") ....Kerry didn't complete his tour in Nam and he got an early out from the Naval Reserves to go politicing around on an anti war platform...ah but he changed that later when it didn't work to get him elected....so if I were a liberal I'd say he lied about his reason for wanting out early. biggrin.gif
politiphile
You have defined the liberals M.O. perfectly. Accuse the opposition of exactly that which you are guilty of. I have been frustrated by this for many years and often wondered if i was the only layman to notice it. With the Internet these tactics are are recognized and pointed out now so they aren't getting away with it anymore, Thank God. But you notice they still do it.
jaybee
QUOTE (politiphile @ Sep 17 2004, 03:04 AM)
You have defined the liberals M.O. perfectly. Accuse the opposition of exactly that which you are guilty of. I have been frustrated by this for many years and often wondered if i was the only layman to notice it. With the Internet these tactics are are recognized and pointed out now so they aren't getting away with it anymore, Thank God. But you notice they still do it.

I totally agree with you! It's sick the way libs do that....but even sicker that so many fall for it.

Take Bush for example....when the media reports 'bad' things he's alledged to have done, I don't just start defending him and assuming he couldn't have done the deed....I go look things up and get a variety of reports on it and then make up my own mind....if he did it, I then ask myself if it matters. I try to realize things from a president's perspective and responsibility instead of my own. What I might do in my small world is not always the same as what a president might do in a global situation. When I look for a leader of my country who will be in charge of my small world as the global effects trickle down to it, all I ask for is that they show me sincerity and resolve in what they tell me they stand for so I can get on with my small world and know pretty much what to expect during the next 4 years.

The Democrats have not shown me any sincerity about anything, and the only resolve they show me is a resolve to accuse the Republicans of the opposite of what the Republicans have shown me they are resolved toward. They act like it's all a big game, they don't take things seriously, and I hate to have to say this...but those the Democrats consistently fool appear to be selfish discompassionate angry and envious people who want to blame someone for their own failure to make their own lives work for them in a free society....it's like they don't know what they want, they just know they don't want other people to have things once they see these other people having them and realize only then they don't have something neat.

It's interesting to note that the Party of the Democrats wasn't always this bad....there used to be a Socialist Party that ran a candidate for President, but they soon found out if they actually said what is it they want to turn the country into they didn't get votes....some of these Socialist Party members infiltrated the Democrat Party back in the early part of last century and slowly gained in numbers over the years....their goal was to get elected under disguise because they couldn't get elected outright. The Dems have now become pretty much everything a Socialist wants our country to become. I hate that people are fooled by them.

Now before anyone goes off calling me a conspiracy theorist or accuses me of the 'red scare' thing....let me explain...just because a person is an American citizen or served in the military or whatever, does not mean that person automatically believes in what our forefathers set this country up to be. Within our ranks it is possible for alternative thoughts about how a country should be run to evolve in American citizens without any role model to draw ideas from. And you know, new ideas to replace old ones might be good as our country evolves, however, they should be explained to the people in truth so people can make a proper decision if they want things to change by understanding the long term effects of such change. The fact that the Dems, ESPECIALLY KERRY, do NOT explain their messages of change and how it means more government control over our lives, spells deceit and a hidden agenda. And for a long time now the Dems have been leaning toward Socialism and I think that IS their hidden agenda. And all those who follow behind them and revel in the "they're gonna give me things for free" mindset, only prove one thing....they don't know anything about the failures of all other Socialist governments or else they would recognize one creeping in on us via the Dems and run like He*l to vote against Kerry.
politiphile
In your last paragraph you touched on my concerns with Democrats exactly. If Socialism is so great why do the majority of our imigrants come from Socialist Countries and Communist countries of course. The Dems are trying to force Socialism on us without telling us it is Socialism.

They also believe in winning by tearing down their opponents not by having a better plan on which to Govern by. They lie, decieve, slander and destroy in order to achieve their Political goals. This is bad for America and i won't support it as a plan for our future.

The good news is, the majority of Americans can now see this and also reject the candidate who lies to them to gain their vote. Did you watch Kerry in Vegas speaking to the National Guard ? I have never seen such a cool (but respectful) reception for a Presidential Candidate. This election is over, kerry and his army of packrats just don't know it yet Thank you Jesus and Amen, Shalom and Seleh...
jaybee
QUOTE (politiphile @ Sep 17 2004, 03:59 PM)
In your last paragraph you touched on my concerns with Democrats exactly. If Socialism is so great why do the majority of our imigrants come from Socialist Countries and Communist countries of course. The Dems are trying to force Socialism on us without telling us it is Socialism.

Exactly! Isn't it amazing though how many liberals don't know this. They act like they think the immigrants came here solely for welfare checks instead of to get away from being rationed by their governments. The immigrants wanted to reap the rewards of their own efforts which cannot be done in a socialist climate.

The big question over socialism though is who stands to gain? The answer of course is those in power. And the irony of that is that those who want to be an In Power Socialist are seeking the largest welfare check in history! I think it's because THEY want to be kept people that they so easily can influence others of like mind. wink.gif

But I too, will not stand for it should it ever happen. Thank God for the Right to Bear Arms! I think this is what our forefathers had in mind when they included it in our Bill of Rights. They had just won a war against oppression. It was clear in their minds how important it was to be able to defend yourself against it. They knew that words don't work against unreasonable people, and they knew that the longstanding best way to take over a country is to disarm them. wink.gif
politiphile
QUOTE (jaybee @ Sep 17 2004, 01:36 PM)
QUOTE (politiphile @ Sep 17 2004, 03:59 PM)
In your last paragraph you touched on my concerns with Democrats exactly. If Socialism is so great why do the majority of our imigrants come from Socialist Countries and Communist countries of course. The Dems are trying to force Socialism on us without telling us it is Socialism.

Exactly! Isn't it amazing though how many liberals don't know this. They act like they think the immigrants came here solely for welfare checks instead of to get away from being rationed by their governments. The immigrants wanted to reap the rewards of their own efforts which cannot be done in a socialist climate.

The big question over socialism though is who stands to gain? The answer of course is those in power. And the irony of that is that those who want to be an In Power Socialist are seeking the largest welfare check in history! I think it's because THEY want to be kept people that they so easily can influence others of like mind. wink.gif

But I too, will not stand for it should it ever happen. Thank God for the Right to Bear Arms! I think this is what our forefathers had in mind when they included it in our Bill of Rights. They had just won a war against oppression. It was clear in their minds how important it was to be able to defend yourself against it. They knew that words don't work against unreasonable people, and they knew that the longstanding best way to take over a country is to disarm them. wink.gif

Isn't it interesting that every Totalitarian Government that came to power in the 20th Century first disarmed its citizens before imposing the dictatorial laws that denied the people their freedoms af speech and even the freedom of independant thought.

Even Australia has been hijacked by the Socialist Philosophy in that the citizenry can no longer freely own weapons. I'll never forget the complaints of the British Decatholon Athletes from Britian who had to leave their country whom they were representing in the Olympics to practice their marksmanship in a foriegn country because no exceptions could be made to this ludicrous law.

We are literally the only first World Western Country who retains the right to bear Arms and the reason our founding Fathers built it into the Constitution were exactly for the reason you stated, to protect the people from Government Tyranny and secondly to protect our homes from invasion, both foriegn and domestic.
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