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Cleo
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The Massachusetts senator has altered course on key issues, most notably Iraq, and he has yet to convince people that changing your mind is better than making consistently bad decisions, as he insists the president has done.


Interesting take.....

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The tension has been noticeable in the Kerry camp, where speeches are being rewritten hours before delivery, and new faces have begun to appear on the team.

Mr Kerry has brought on two distinct groups of reinforcements: political street-fighters from his Boston past, John Sasso and Michael Whouley; and famous faces from the Clinton White House, such as the former presidential spokesmen Joe Lockhart and Mike McCurry, and a prominent pollster, Stanley Greenberg.

Mr Lockhart has become the campaign's new front man on television, but on the road, Mr Sasso is the battlefield tactician, constantly at the senator's shoulder.

The last time Mr Sasso was in the national spotlight was in 1988. He was forced to resign from Michael Dukakis's campaign when it was found he had leaked tapes to the press that showed that one of the Massachusetts governor's opponents in the Democratic primary, Joe Biden, had plagiarised Neil Kinnock's words.


http://www.guardian.co.uk/uselections2004/...1302294,00.html


Too little too late, or will Kerry pull another "primary" out of his hat?
politiphile
Hi Cleo, before lurch can make real headway in his campaign he must first shed the bad press that is dragging him down. I liken it to a contractor who builds homes for a living. Before he can actually start to build the foundation on which to build the home, he must first clear the land of shrubs and trees and rocks and stumps. Then he must lay the pipes for sewage and water. If all of this preliminary work isn't done first he has no hope of building a house that will pass inspection and actually be livable.

This is kerry's problem, because he has based his whole campaign and life for that matter on fraud, he has never done the job of laying a proper foundation on which to build the structure of his campaign. In addition to that, he has spent a carreer in the Senate being able to successfuly tell each individual group he spoke to what they wanted to hear to win their votes without the pressure of a National Campaign to point out all of his inconsistencies.

In other words he is lost in the jungle of his own lies and deceptions and will fail because of this reality he finds himself in. It is my opinion he can't get a second wind untill he get's his first wind which he has yet to attain.
Cleo
All it would take to put him in the White House is a CBS-gate like trick that sticks to Bush. Who Kerry is, what Kerry stands for, what he says he's going to do or not do, doesn't seem to be the point. There are very few people that I've talked to who say they are voting for him, say that they are doing it because they like what he says. They say its because they hate Bush. And hate can be very powerful, as we have witnessed.

I agree with you that Kerry has not found his "first wind", other than maybe it is "Anyone But Bush", and that is pretty sad. What I find interesting is that Kerry has not been able to encourage the hatred towards Bush. None of the little tricks and scandals have stuck to Bush.

I'm still trying to figure out what it is exactly people hate about him. Is it really the war in Iraq?
politiphile
I think that they hate Bush first and formost because he is a Republican and the libs are rabid about regaining power. Secondly, it is the war and the Dems have never been pro self defense. Don't ask me to explain why but the liberal mind set seems to dictate the policy of compromise over self defense.

I thought Ron Silver defined the libs perfectly when he said that Bush has done most of the things libs would support and actually did support when Bill Clinton did them. Their hypocracy is confusing when they condemn one Republican for doing the same things they supported in a Democrat. The proof in this argument is that even though Kerry is trying to convince us he will maintain the war on terror and take 4 years to get out of Iraq his liberal base remains loyal to him.

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There are very few people that I've talked to who say they are voting for him, say that they are doing it because they like what he says. They say its because they hate Bush. And hate can be very powerful, as we have witnessed.Cleo


The polls say exactly this which is why kerry can't win in November. The numbers are something like 65% of dems are voting for kerry out of hate for Bush where as 85% of Republicans are voting for Bush because they trust and support him. This means when they debate George can win people over who think they hate him because they have been believing the lies of the libs, yet those who support Bush won't be swayed by anything kerry say's because their support for George is based on trust and a true kinship based on his record as President over the past 4 years.
John L

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EDITOR'S NOTE: This article appears in the September 27, 2004, issue of National Review.

John Kerry is blessed with a reputation as a "great finisher." The candidate himself bragged to Newsweek, "I'm known as a good closer." Charles P. Pierce wrote in Esquire that Kerry has "won every race that he was supposed to lose." "Great closer" was the Democrats' buzz-phrase even before Bush surged ahead in the post-convention polls; Howard Dean is now touting the belief to the New York Times as a reason for liberal optimism this fall. "It seems to be the rhythm in all of his races," says Mary Anne Marsh, who helped guide Kerry's 1982 race for lieutenant governor. "None of them have been easy. He starts out the prohibitive favorite, then fades or stumbles, and has what I call a political 'near-death experience,' and comes up swinging. Then he gets focused and ferocious and terrific."

But Kerry's history doesn't quite match this blueprint. A careful review of his four competitive races suggests that Kerry has earned a "great closer" reputation while never seriously trailing in any campaign, competing against opponents who self-destructed at opportune moments, and running in a state whose political culture could be described as a Democratic incumbent-protection program.

Kerry's first elected political office was lieutenant governor of Massachusetts. He had stumbled in two congressional races in the early 1970s, but his national prominence during the Vietnam protests and more recent work as a local television commentator made him the only candidate for lieutenant governor in 1982 who was known statewide. He qualified for the September ballot by winning 15 percent of the delegate votes at the party convention, and then had his extra delegates help another candidate, former state legislator Lois Pines, get on the ballot. This maneuver guaranteed that the women's vote would split between two like-minded activists, Pines and former state environmental secretary Evelyn Murphy. Kerry poured more than $100,000 of his own money into the campaign. Three weeks before the primary, a Boston Globe poll still showed Kerry as the only candidate with any name recognition; Kerry managed to win the Democratic nomination with 29 percent of the vote. He went on to easy victory in the general election....


I am not saying that the election is a lock in, but if something BIG doesn't happen, Kerry is going to be left in the dust. And the debates haven't arrived yet. My question here is: how in the Lord's name is he going to get that condescending attitude and tone out of his speech patterns? I think that it is a terrible uphill race for him, and GWB is now in full race mode.
politiphile
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John L-But Kerry's history doesn't quite match this blueprint. A careful review of his four competitive races suggests that Kerry has earned a "great closer" reputation while never seriously trailing in any campaign, competing against opponents who self-destructed at opportune moments, and running in a state whose political culture could be described as a Democratic incumbent-protection program.


As a New Hampsherite who lives just 35 miles from Boston i can attest that his opponents self destructed because his crew of hatchet men always had an october surprise which usually destroyed the lives and carreers of his opponents. Governor Bill Weld, a good Republican, has been out of Politics since running against him in his last campaign for the Senate. I can't remember the scandal but it drove Weld out of Politics.

One thing is for sure, kerry has never been in a National race and is finding out that the rules are very different when running for President when compared to the Senate. Massachusets is such a democratic state, with Kennedy's support he couldn't lose. That same alliance will be very detrimental on the National Political Stage. He's up against 3 generations of Political clout with Bush. That is a Dragon he can't slay easily which is why i believe this election is Bush's to lose, not kerry's to win. But i don't think he will get any of these smear campaigns to stick to George. I believe every attack is making him look smaller, weaker, more desperate and calculating. So all i have to say to him is "Good Ridance". wink.gif
John L
Another thing is that Kerry is not the 'tap dancer' that Clinton was and still is. Clinton could say anything, smile, and make you forget that you were overlooking your 'lying eyes'. Clinton is only one of those 'one in a million' sort of fellow.

Another one like him will not come around for a long, long time! cool.gif
politiphile
I wonder if Clinton learned how to manipulate a story from the media or did Rather learn to justify his story as truth even though the docs are forgeries technique from Clinton ? kinda makes you go hhmmm, i wonder...
jaybee
I think Kerry will pull another primary out of his a*s and win this thing....because of the smear campaign of deceptive media as they take on Bush for things they don't understand, like terror threats being real and because Kerry is careful not to use vocabulary his supporters can't understand! He uses, Bush is wrong for this country, He's done nothing for the people, Bush didn't do anything he said he would, etc. A recent poll indicates of Republican voters 78% plan to vote FOR Bush because they like him and like 11% plan to vote for Bush because they hate Kerry...of Democrat voters only 35% plan to vote for Kerry because they like him and 61% plan to vote for him because they hate Bush. All Rather has to do now is say the hurricanes are movies meant to give Bush the opportunity to look like he cares about people and it's a home run for Kerry. rolleyes.gif
Cleo
QUOTE (John L @ Sep 16 2004, 06:01 AM)
Another thing is that Kerry is not the 'tap dancer' that Clinton was and still is. Clinton could say anything, smile, and make you forget that you were overlooking your 'lying eyes'. Clinton is only one of those 'one in a million' sort of fellow.

Another one like him will not come around for a long, long time! cool.gif

Not me. I could never understand what anybody ever saw in that guy. He was just slimey.

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One thing is for sure, kerry has never been in a National race and is finding out that the rules are very different when running for President when compared to the Senate.


I think that is the crux of the race right there.
politiphile
QUOTE (jaybee @ Sep 16 2004, 05:28 PM)
I think Kerry will pull another primary out of his a*s and win this thing....because of the smear campaign of deceptive media as they take on Bush for things they don't understand, like terror threats being real and because Kerry is careful not to use vocabulary his supporters can't understand! He uses, Bush is wrong for this country, He's done nothing for the people, Bush didn't do anything he said he would, etc. A recent poll indicates of Republican voters 78% plan to vote FOR Bush because they like him and like 11% plan to vote for Bush because they hate Kerry...of Democrat voters only 35% plan to vote for Kerry because they like him and 61% plan to vote for him because they hate Bush. All Rather has to do now is say the hurricanes are movies meant to give Bush the opportunity to look like he cares about people and it's a home run for Kerry. rolleyes.gif

jaybee, your argument is backwards, the numbers you use show exactly why Bush will win this election. So many people who SAY they will vote for kerry because they hate Bush aren't personally commited to kerry. With 45 days left and at least 2 debates to go literally hundredsof thousands if not millions of people who are currently motivated by hate can be turned around easily if they come to like George during the debates.

And then you suggest kerry's dirty politics will put him over the top. Every dirty trick he and his cohorts have pulled so far have exposed them for who they are. Dishonest and unethical. This won't win him the Whitehouse my friend, in no way will he win this election.
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