So it seems CBS is now admitting they didn't have 'proof' the documents they received about Bush's Guard days were true at all. And Danny boy is saying that if he knew then what he knows now he wouldn't have put the information out there.

This brings up a good point....what ever happend to 'innocent until proven guilty'?

I think when the media reports derogatory information they are basically accusing someone of doing a bad thing so they should not be able to do it unless they have PROOF that it's true. To do otherwise is making an opinion and calling it news...and that's a serious problem because once you hear something you tend to wonder if it's true no matter how much evidence you might get after the fact to the contrary. Heads should roll and arrests should be made for defamation of character at the very least. If the media were held accountable for what they 'report' we all might get some reliable information about what's really going on in our country.

As far as I'm concerned the same thing should apply to Kerry and his brood! Kerry goes around making off the cuff partial misleading comments that he never bothers to back up with facts to support what he says. All this does is make people think the wrong things about our leaders and how our country is run. Then it's up to the injured parties to defend themselves and their actions, which more times than not most people don't fully believe.

I think it would be realy nice if everyone stuck to the facts and stopped opining and disguising it as fact. The misleading of America is irresponsible! And I would think anyone *ahem, Mr Kerry who claims to care that America is seen in a favorable honest light* would support complete honesty in himself, those who represent him and the media.

I'll go one step further and say that we all realize there are some issues that are top secret and can't be completely revealed to the general public. But in that case, I don't think anyone should use what parts of the issue is knowable for the public without placing a disclaimer on it that acknowledges there is more to the story that can't be told yet.....cops do it all the time when there's a crime and the media asks questions the cops can't answer without jepardizing their case...all the cops have to say is they can't tell you anymore right now and everyone understands that! They don't push the cops...they want the crimial to get caught! So why doesn't the same respect hold true with our lovely Kerry using partial information on the war to make it look like it's worse than it might be and make Bush seem to not have a clue when most likely there's alot going on that is top secret that we can't know about right now without giving away our hand! And the sad thing is Kerry probably knows the top secret stuff and just uses the secrecy of it to his own political advantage...which is sick in a time of war especially! Mabye even treasonous!

Well, this still doesn't contradict the facts in those memos.

You didn't even read my post did you? You replied in less than 2 minutes! I know you didn't read it, think about it and then decide on a sensible response in that short time. I guess that's why your response only takes into consideration the subject line!

Seriously....is it impossible to carry on an intelligent debate here? Or are you just not interested?

Well, that still doesn't contradict the facts in those memos.

LOL! What is it with you people? Do you expect anyone to continue a conversation with you based on that remark? Don't you see that can't happen because it's just a defense without any reasoning behind it from which to encourage nothing more than an arguement? Is that all you want to do is argue? Do you not ever want to share any ideas in common? Do you not think that's possible?

Well, that still doesn't contradict the facts in those memos.

I guess you've all answered my questions.

Then why did they have to fake them? If it's so true why can't they find real documents?

I had to laugh because that is word for word exactly the response I got on the other forum I'm on when I posted this!

Here's a link to the story!

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=stor...ard_questions_6

another blow for liberal conspiracy theories, sorry!

The news said the source was possibly the democratic campaign! Do I smell a watergate?

The big tipoff came when they were found to be computer generated- a technology that did not exist in 1972! They were faxed from a Texas Kinko's! It was all crap!

Poll of 100,000+ wants Rather to resign.



NewsMax Poll: Dan Rather Must Resign
Millions of Americans are outraged by CBS News and Dan Rather for their obstinance in admitting they used forged documents to indict the military record of George W. Bush.

In an online survey completed this week, and with more than 100,000 respondents, NewsMax readers overwhelming believe that Dan Rather should resign as anchor for the CBS Evening News.

Mr. Rather's position may have been further weakened when:

a) it was revealed that CBS purposefully withheld from their
'60 Minutes' program forensic experts who said the documents were fraudulent;

after it was clear the documents were found to be fraudulent, Rather and Company continued to argue their story was essentially accurate; and

c) one witness, a fellow guardsman during Bush's time in service, was not allowed to appear on the CBS program because he was "too pro Bush."

But the NewsMax poll results show that the American people have not been fooled by CBS. The Tiffany Network's credibility may be completely lost -- unless Dan Rather accepts responsibility and resigns.

Here are the NewsMax Poll Results:

1) Do you believe CBS and Dan Rather used forged documents to make allegations about George Bush's National Guard service?

Yes - 98.27%
No - 1.73%

2) Do you agree with Dan Rather that his story questioning George Bush's service is still true?

Agree - 2.62%
Disagree - 97.38%

3) Should Dan Rather resign over the CBS story that used these questionable documents?

Yes - 94.05%
No - 5.95%

4) Who do you believe most about their account of their military record?

Bush - 87.74%
Kerry - 1.39%
Both - 4.35%
Neither - 6.52%

It's amazing how little response this has gotten. If this had been something Bush had faked on Kerry people would be all over it like stink on doo. But since it's against Kerry there's got to be some excuse, come on!

The board has largely been taken over by a bunch of hypocritical leftist.

What's so hard to understand.

PS- Rather should resign, CBS should give an honest appology, Kerry should make his military public as did Bush, and the links of these docs to the Dem party should be explored.

Any more questions or outrage needed?

jaybee

Both ingognito ( the gentleman, ihatebush, bushisacoward, etc., etc. ) and Butterfly have no purpose here other than to anger and insult conservative posters. There is no common sense or logic to their posts, and they certainly not going to recognize any in yours. Don't waste your time trying to convince them of anything.

If that's the case then, why aren't they banned?

I'd rather think they're just young kids who don't know any better.

Jaybee

Ingognito has been banned for life under many different nicknames, including those that I listed above, but he says that he was a soldier in the SAS and threatens consequences to the admins if he is not allowed to post, and the mods let him post even though he's banned. He is about 37 years old.
I'm not sure, but I think that they don't dare to ban Butterfly because he is really Ingognito's father!

I don't need to read you, you are so transparent I can guess in a few seconds what your rant is going to be about

It's like shooting fish in a barrel

I know, I know, I should be ashamed, where is the sport debating with 40w bulbs ?

Did you have a relevant post to add to this thread?. Please everyone here, look at his last 10 posts, nothing on an issue, just a rant attacking other posters. Typical for you Georgie!

What the others probably dont remember is this same man has been doing this kind of thing for ever and not long back a group of us took him to task and he literally cried. He said something to the effects of - I am an old man with high blood pressure and now I am scared that the gent and basher are after me. Why would you pick on an old man, my doctor has increased my medication and blah blah blah. wimp!

The reason is Georgie is that you are an antagonist, you post nothing to do with any subject, nor do you debate about a subject - why are you here?
You are hated on Thaivisa and by all the free thinking individuals on this board.

Carry on

BTW, you are actually right for a change - you will not convince me of anything.

Look at the facts, I’m a conservatives I’m not here to bait other conservatives…

The fact is our leader ducked out of fighting for his country (because his soft rich kid). He used his daddy ‘s connection to stay out of Nam. FACT
This dose mean his politics are wrong or his a bad person. His just not a leader.

He didn’t have the balls to go down to his local recruiting station and join up to fight for his country. “coward”

Kerry did! FACT

That doesn’t mean Kerry’s Politics are right or his a good man it just means he had the balls to fight.

The bush team has 0 hours combat experience. I think you need to serve and fight before you can send other to do thing you your self didn’t have the balls to do.

Come on gent.
You are banned from both here and thaivisa. The only reason that you are allowed to post at all is because everyone on here recognizes that you are a complete psycho.
No one - mods or other posters - wants an illiterate nut-case with nothing to live for becoming obsessed with them, so they just let you do what you want.
People don't like to argue with lunatics. That is the only reason that anyone gives you the time of day about anything. You are a stupid and a complete loser, but everyone is scared of you.
Are you really proud of that?
Biff ( from Back to the Future) on steroids!
You keep going on about how everyone hates me on the internet, but I don't seem to have any problems getting along with anyone that I want to be friends with, including a good number of mods, so, as usual, you are wrong, but you will never admit it.
Go back to being a maniac, and hope that you can scare people; That is all you have going for you. Nut-case.

Then what do you call Clinton who dodged the draft completely? He served 2 terms!

FREE THINKING??? Excuse me but the liberals on this board have got to be the most closed minded judgemental people I've ever seen.

Excuse me? I can't believe I'm seeing a post like this. Aren't there rules for PERSONAL ATTACKS and insults against fellow members? On other boards I'm on the mods would openly repremand the member and delete the post. This type of seventh grade bully mentality is unacceptable on a civilized message board (unless somebody is biased and only picks on who they don't like and others can get by with it?) But if personal attacks and insults ARE allowed, I have a few things I'd like to say about Butterfly!

Oh the humanity

- A closed minded judgemental liberals as you put it

I call him a coward too. Just like Bush slimed out of Nam by daddy pulling strings.
Clinton went to UK to escape. Coward!

TWO COWARDS. TOO BAD PRESIDENTS

Well, at least Clinton didn't start a war to have a hardon

LOL

No he used MONICA for that! but thats a different story...

Actually Clinton did send people into war, in Bosnia and Africa, and some were killed. Remember the guy who got drug behind the car in Somalia?

Not the entire internet surely. There must be some people in Russia that you haven't upset, yet.

Back to topic. I'm confused here. I didn't think that the documents about Bush's poor performance in the Texas Air Guard had been proved as fakes. It appears that a lot of people are shouting "fake, fake" as if repeating something often enough makes it true.

Show me where real people have made a proper examination and judgement of these documents.

Our libs don't remember any of that!

1. To our libs, a war is only a war if you stay long enough to finish the job you went there to do .....Clinton tucked tail and ran away.....so to the libs it's not war, it's cheap shotting like they do so it's OK with them for Clinton to get people killed in vain.

2. To our libs, it's only a war if civilian protestors get involved in radical ways against it. Clinton's scrimmages aren't seen as wars by our libs because all they amounted to was a symbolic show of strength followed by taking his toys and going home after lives were lost. This is how our libs act on here, the hit and run tactic, so it's OK with them.


I'd be curious to know what our libs would do it they got their houses broken into by an armed maniac. I believe they'd let the intruder do and take whatever he wanted and never call the cops even after it was over. They'd probably picket themselves for being the one the armed maniac chose to violate.

Somalia ? that was Bush Sr, genius. Short memory ?

No, it was Clinton's baby!

hum, hum

It was G Bush Sr gift to Clinton before he left the WH

1992, do you remember ?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/co...les/1072611.stm


You = Wrong again

just in case you didn't get it




http://userpages.umbc.edu/~cgehrm1/pres_si...sidents/gb.html

Bush only sent them to guard supplies being delivered to refugees because the convoys were being attacked. It was not an invasion. It escalated later. There was much action when Clinton was in office, including the guy who was killed and drug behind the car. It happened all through the 90's and Clinton kept sending people over.

And don't forget Kosovo!

Kosovo was a complete success, what are you talking about ? Thanks god, Clinton had the balls to conduct such a war despite dishonnest conservatives partisan trying to attack him on this (so much for support our prez during war time)

Bush started Somalia, it's his baby.

Clinton had to manage the mess created by Bush, once again

Kerry will have to manage Iraq when Bush run away with his tail between the legs

The point is, Clinton DID send people to fight and die even though he didn't have, as someone else put it, the 'balls' to fight himself.

you mean like GW Bush and the Iraq war ?

Good god, butterfly...how old are you? I'm serious. I'd hate to think you were an adult the way you post! Do you ever read what you write? I quote..."Kerry will have to manage Iraq when Bush run away with his tail between the legs"....now let's see here....you're advocating Kerry being elected President which means Bush loses his bid for re-election....How would that make Bush 'running away"? Did you forget already, even though you're posting under the catagory US Presidential Campaign 2004 that Kerry becoming president would happen through and election therefore whomever loses being not their choice? Did it also escape you that Kerry, by running for office, is ASKING to take over the 'mess'?

No, I guess none of that occured to you. You apparently don't realize what an election is in a free country. You're thinking an opponent can run someone away just like the terrorists are trying to do with the new government of Iraq. I can see where you'd think that considering Kerry's terrorist attacks on Bush and his administration that you applaud.

Truth is though, no one ever said a person had to have served in the military to become president. What is assumed a good thing for a person who wants to be president however is that they've never condemned the country they wish to lead. (Clinton and Kerry) Common sense dearie.....would you hire a lawyer to defend you who thought you should go to jail?

Excellent points jaybee!

I agree that serving in the military should not be a prerequisite for the presidency. What I've been saying all along is that how can the democrats make such a big deal out of Bush not reporting, like that's supposed to make him unfit to lead, when you supported Clinton, who was a draft dodger?? He ran twice against war heroes, and at that time democrats didn't see the issue of military service as a big thing, so doing so now is only being political and hypocritical.

Exactly! And don't think they don't know it....they just also know those who follow them are too ignorant to put 2 and 2 together.

Shallow reasoning …

Clinton was a draft dodger and unfit to be president
Bush was a draft dodger and unfit to be president

Try using logic it really helps

Are you making any sense ? I think I need the Klinkon decoder !!!

What's a Klinkon decoder?

No such thing. There are Klingon decoders on Star Trek though, never heard of a Klinkon one. Is that the coffee pot on Hogan's Heroes where they spied on Col. Klink, or something from the Kinko's in Texas where those fake documents were faxed?

LMAO!