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ingognito
The call-up of more Army Reserves is tearing apart another East Tennessee family.
This time, a mom will leave her three kids behind, and her husband will take care of them.

Volunteer TV's Lee Merrit has the story.

Michelle Slaven's family is saying good-bye, the mother of three is being called up to serve our country, she'll be gone at least 18 months.

"...hardest thing is leaving my children and husband," says Michelle Hoskins-Slaven, mother of three.

13-year-old Zachary, 11-year-old Whitney and 7-year-old Jeremiah will depend a whole lot more on their step dad while their mom is gone, he is a military man himself.

"I expected it for me first," says husband Ken Slaven, fighting back tears.

But Ken Slaven isn't being deployed because the Army needs him to stay here and train other Reservists.

He's not worried about that, calling it routine, what's not, is playing "Mister Mom".

"We do good to take care of them, don't ride em that hard, say I'm harder than she is, everyone worried I'm going to kill them, not going to kill them, just going to make them work," says Ken.

All three of the kids play sports and depend on rides for all their activities, but the kids' have much bigger concerns about their mom being gone...

"What're you going to miss most about her?” Lee asks the boys.

"Her cooking," says Zachary, 13-years-old.

"Wont' have as much good food… will be kind of lonely," says Jeremiah, 7-years-old.

"They are okay right now, we'll be hardest hit when I leave out," says Michelle.

"She's going to be gone for awhile, they're going to be ready for her to come back, and I'll be ready for her to come back," says Ken, "you just put everything in the Good Lord's hands and it'll work out."

That's all this family can pray for, right now.

Michelle and the rest of the 844th Engineering Battalion leave for training next month.

Their exact orders have not yet been disclosed, but they specialize in rebuilding roads.
jaybee
I'm going to attempt to have a decent conversation on the subject of women in the military.

1. I think it's awful that anyone with children, mother or father, has to go to war and possibly never come back to their children. However, we have a volunteer military and the last time I looked having babies was up to the parents, so is it really Bush's fault?...beyond that you think we shouldn't be at war to start with?

2. As far as women in the military go, it used to be they weren't placed in combat situations...until Clinton made it so. Still, these women have made a choice to serve knowing combat duty was possible.

3. If you're really concerned about the mothers having to leave their children, then the best thing anyone can do right now is not feed the enemy sympathy which encourages them to think they have a chance of winning this war. The sooner they give up, the sooner the moms and dads and everyone esle will be home.
Hurricane
QUOTE (jaybee @ Sep 21 2004, 02:45 PM)
I'm going to attempt to have a decent conversation on the subject of women in the military.

1. I think it's awful that anyone with children, mother or father, has to go to war and possibly never come back to their children. However, we have a volunteer military and the last time I looked having babies was up to the parents, so is it really Bush's fault?...beyond that you think we shouldn't be at war to start with?

2. As far as women in the military go, it used to be they weren't placed in combat situations...until Clinton made it so. Still, these women have made a choice to serve knowing combat duty was possible.

3. If you're really concerned about the mothers having to leave their children, then the best thing anyone can do right now is not feed the enemy sympathy which encourages them to think they have a chance of winning this war. The sooner they give up, the sooner the moms and dads and everyone esle will be home.

Right! Take special note of #2 if you want to blame somebody!
KeepCanadaFree
Terrorists give up?

Are you guys drunk!

Were talking about people who would willingly blow them selves up for a cause.

What you braniacs don't realize is that in the middle east nothing is more precious than honor, and giving up to a foreign country who blindly supports Isreal's bombing and mauling down there children, is not an option.

Right now the Middle east thinks the U.S. is an occupying force who wants to push them out, who is lead by a mad man who takes orders from "god".
ingognito
What are reservists for? Did they join up part time to be thrown into a war zone on another continent?

A reservist is used for home duites, they are very basically trained and go out a few weeks a year. They are not intended to serve overseas - they are not trained for it.

To put a woman with 3 kids in harms way is proposterous. What gain is ther in sending her?

Your country is ######ed.
jaybee
QUOTE (KeepCanadaFree @ Sep 21 2004, 03:11 PM)
Right now the Middle east thinks the U.S. is an occupying force who wants to push them out, who is lead by a mad man who takes orders from "god".

OH, now that's RICH! What about Allah?
jaybee
QUOTE (ingognito @ Sep 21 2004, 03:13 PM)
What are reservists for? Did they join up part time to be thrown into a war zone on another continent?

A reservist is used for home duites, they are very basically trained and go out a few weeks a year. They are not intended to serve overseas - they are not trained for it.

To put a woman with 3 kids in harms way is proposterous. What gain is ther in sending her?

Your country is ######ed.

First off, the reservists are NOT just playing some weekend warrior/put extra money in your pocket game. They are trained for combat and the reason they have weekend drills is to keep ready in case they ARE called to serve alongside the regular army.

Second, why are you against this or any woman's right to choose? Or any man's for that matter. They chose to sign up. No one held a gun on them or coersed them in any way....like would happen if your commie sympathizer got hold of the reins.

Third, I agree that women should not serve in combat! But you'll have to take that one up with Clinton. He's the one who made it a rule that women in the military have no special exceptions.
ingognito
QUOTE (jaybee @ Sep 21 2004, 03:23 PM)
QUOTE (ingognito @ Sep 21 2004, 03:13 PM)
What are reservists for? Did they join up part time to be thrown into a war zone on another continent?

A reservist is used for home duites, they are very basically trained and go out a few weeks a year. They are not intended to serve overseas - they are not trained for it.

To put a woman with 3 kids in harms way is proposterous. What gain is ther in sending her?

Your country is ######ed.

First off, the reservists are NOT just playing some weekend warrior/put extra money in your pocket game. They are trained for combat and the reason they have weekend drills is to keep ready in case they ARE called to serve alongside the regular army.

Second, why are you against this or any woman's right to choose? Or any man's for that matter. They chose to sign up. No one held a gun on them or coersed them in any way....like would happen if your commie sympathizer got hold of the reins.

Third, I agree that women should not serve in combat! But you'll have to take that one up with Clinton. He's the one who made it a rule that women in the military have no special exceptions.

Now I am against a womans right to choose? laugh.gif spin spin.

My commie sympathiser? laugh.gif spin spin.

A reservist is not fully trained - look it up! then again not much of your army is!

when was a reservist asked to serve lately? yes there always is a slim chance, but in Iraq? a woman with 3 young kids? you forget why you went their in the first place and even if you spin it that it was to help the Iraq people, why should these kids suffer to "save" another family.
The ages of the kids ia also a major factor, preteen and early teen girls - they need their mother more than the roads need to be fixed in Iraq. get your priorities staright and agree that is stupid - for once!

The attitudes of you followers is scarey.
jaybee
QUOTE (ingognito @ Sep 21 2004, 03:40 PM)
QUOTE (jaybee @ Sep 21 2004, 03:23 PM)
QUOTE (ingognito @ Sep 21 2004, 03:13 PM)
What are reservists for? Did they join up part time to be thrown into a war zone on another continent?

A reservist is used for home duites, they are very basically trained and go out a few weeks a year. They are not intended to serve overseas - they are not trained for it.

To put a woman with 3 kids in harms way is proposterous. What gain is ther in sending her?

Your country is ######ed.

First off, the reservists are NOT just playing some weekend warrior/put extra money in your pocket game. They are trained for combat and the reason they have weekend drills is to keep ready in case they ARE called to serve alongside the regular army.

Second, why are you against this or any woman's right to choose? Or any man's for that matter. They chose to sign up. No one held a gun on them or coersed them in any way....like would happen if your commie sympathizer got hold of the reins.

Third, I agree that women should not serve in combat! But you'll have to take that one up with Clinton. He's the one who made it a rule that women in the military have no special exceptions.

Now I am against a womans right to choose? laugh.gif spin spin.

My commie sympathiser? laugh.gif spin spin.

A reservist is not fully trained - look it up! then again not much of your army is!

when was a reservist asked to serve lately? yes there always is a slim chance, but in Iraq? a woman with 3 young kids? you forget why you went their in the first place and even if you spin it that it was to help the Iraq people, why should these kids suffer to "save" another family.
The ages of the kids ia also a major factor, preteen and early teen girls - they need their mother more than the roads need to be fixed in Iraq. get your priorities staright and agree that is stupid - for once!

The attitudes of you followers is scarey.

Care to comment on the civilian fathers who got their heads chopped off by purely evil terrorists? Was that right in your mind? Or does it only count to you if a military person gets killed in action?

Care to comment on how this mother might not have had to go to Iraq if the evil terrorists weren't trying to stop Iraq from being free of them?

Care to comment on how you missed where I already said I thought it was awful that parents had to go to war and possibly never see their kids again.

You're so hung up on hating anything supportive of our current state of affairs that you'd go against everything blindly just because we currently have a Republican president. That's really really thinking there! Why don't you just go get a robot to handle your responses on this board and go buy something with your money....however you obtained it. wink.gif
Hurricane
QUOTE (KeepCanadaFree @ Sep 21 2004, 03:11 PM)
Terrorists give up?

Are you guys drunk!

Were talking about people who would willingly blow them selves up for a cause.

What you braniacs don't realize is that in the middle east nothing is more precious than honor, and giving up to a foreign country who blindly supports Isreal's bombing and mauling down there children, is not an option.

Right now the Middle east thinks the U.S. is an occupying force who wants to push them out, who is lead by a mad man who takes orders from "god".

Ah, then why do so many people whine that we should 'negotiate' with them? You can't negotiate with someone who wants you dead and is willing to die in the process. Cheney said today on TV you cannot reason with them, you cannot deal with them, the only solution is to eliminate them! I agree! Because they'd do the same to you if they had a chance. People are too touchy feely over them. They don't deserve it, and remember they don't think like you do.
ingognito
for Jaybee

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The New York Daily News reported yesterday that a key stipend designed to allow the family members of injured service members will stop as of October 1, unless Congress takes immediate action.



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jaybee
Sorry you went to so much trouble there, Ingonito...but I'm copping Butterfly's attitude and saying 'i already know what will be there' and I don't want to clog up my head with misinformation. Thanks anyway. wink.gif
jaybee
QUOTE (Hurricane @ Sep 21 2004, 07:03 PM)
QUOTE (KeepCanadaFree @ Sep 21 2004, 03:11 PM)
Terrorists give up?

Are you guys drunk!

Were talking about people who would willingly blow them selves up for a cause.



Ah, then why do so many people whine that we should 'negotiate' with them?

Brilliant, Hurricane! smile.gif
politiphile
QUOTE (ingognito @ Sep 21 2004, 09:31 AM)
The call-up of more Army Reserves is tearing apart another East Tennessee family.
This time, a mom will leave her three kids behind, and her husband will take care of them.

Volunteer TV's Lee Merrit has the story.

Michelle Slaven's family is saying good-bye, the mother of three is being called up to serve our country, she'll be gone at least 18 months.

"...hardest thing is leaving my children and husband," says Michelle Hoskins-Slaven, mother of three.

13-year-old Zachary, 11-year-old Whitney and 7-year-old Jeremiah will depend a whole lot more on their step dad while their mom is gone, he is a military man himself.

"I expected it for me first," says husband Ken Slaven, fighting back tears.

But Ken Slaven isn't being deployed because the Army needs him to stay here and train other Reservists.

He's not worried about that, calling it routine, what's not, is playing "Mister Mom".

"We do good to take care of them, don't ride em that hard, say I'm harder than she is, everyone worried I'm going to kill them, not going to kill them, just going to make them work," says Ken.

All three of the kids play sports and depend on rides for all their activities, but the kids' have much bigger concerns about their mom being gone...

"What're you going to miss most about her?” Lee asks the boys.

"Her cooking," says Zachary, 13-years-old.

"Wont' have as much good food… will be kind of lonely," says Jeremiah, 7-years-old.

"They are okay right now, we'll be hardest hit when I leave out," says Michelle.

"She's going to be gone for awhile, they're going to be ready for her to come back, and I'll be ready for her to come back," says Ken, "you just put everything in the Good Lord's hands and it'll work out."

That's all this family can pray for, right now.

Michelle and the rest of the 844th Engineering Battalion leave for training next month.

Their exact orders have not yet been disclosed, but they specialize in rebuilding roads.

So let me get this right; the US Government went into this Tennessee home and abducted this mother of 3 and said OK B-tch your going to a war zone to fight for America.

Oh wait, we don't even have the draft in this country; this woman freely joined the Military for the benifits and the education no matter how much you want to minimalize them now, she joined and recieved specialized training in the area of her choice. Obviously that skill is needed now and she has been called to serve. Nobody made her join, it is called free will and she excercised hers. You not being an American, i can understand your lack of understanding.
Hurricane
QUOTE (politiphile @ Sep 21 2004, 11:32 PM)
QUOTE (ingognito @ Sep 21 2004, 09:31 AM)
The call-up of more Army Reserves is tearing apart another East Tennessee family.
This time, a mom will leave her three kids behind, and her husband will take care of them. 

Volunteer TV's Lee Merrit has the story.

Michelle Slaven's family is saying good-bye, the mother of three is being called up to serve our country, she'll be gone at least 18 months.

"...hardest thing is leaving my children and husband," says Michelle Hoskins-Slaven, mother of three.

13-year-old Zachary, 11-year-old Whitney and 7-year-old Jeremiah will depend a whole lot more on their step dad while their mom is gone, he is a military man himself.

"I expected it for me first," says husband Ken Slaven, fighting back tears.

But Ken Slaven isn't being deployed because the Army needs him to stay here and train other Reservists.

He's not worried about that, calling it routine, what's not, is playing "Mister Mom".

"We do good to take care of them, don't ride em that hard, say I'm harder than she is, everyone worried I'm going to kill them, not going to kill them, just going to make them work," says Ken.
               
All three of the kids play sports and depend on rides for all their activities, but the kids' have much bigger concerns about their mom being gone...

"What're you going to miss most about her?” Lee asks the boys.

"Her cooking," says Zachary, 13-years-old.

"Wont' have as much good food… will be kind of lonely," says Jeremiah, 7-years-old.

"They are okay right now, we'll be hardest hit when I leave out," says Michelle.

"She's going to be gone for awhile, they're going to be ready for her to come back, and I'll be ready for her to come back," says Ken, "you just put everything in the Good Lord's hands and it'll work out."

That's all this family can pray for, right now.

Michelle and the rest of the 844th Engineering Battalion leave for training next month.

Their exact orders have not yet been disclosed, but they specialize in rebuilding roads.

So let me get this right; the US Government went into this Tennessee home and abducted this mother of 3 and said OK B-tch your going to a war zone to fight for America.

Oh wait, we don't even have the draft in this country; this woman freely joined the Military for the benifits and the education no matter how much you want to minimalize them now, she joined and recieved specialized training in the area of her choice. Obviously that skill is needed now and she has been called to serve. Nobody made her join, it is called free will and she excercised hers. You not being an American, i can understand your lack of understanding.

Good post politiphile! No one kidnapped her, it was of her own free will she joined. Even if you only join for education money, you have to always consider that it IS the military, and the military's job is to go to war if called. So you can't really feel anyone was hijacked or fooled into thinking they would never have to go! There is alway that chance!
ingognito
I nevr said anyone kidnapped her or she didnt join up on her own beliefs, what the point is - Why would you ship a mother of three to Iraq? I mean really! rolleyes.gif
Hurricane
QUOTE (ingognito @ Sep 22 2004, 05:54 PM)
I nevr said anyone kidnapped her or she didnt join up on her own beliefs, what the point is  - Why would you ship a mother of three to Iraq? I mean really!  rolleyes.gif



Well, I woudn't. She must have a skill they need over there which is the same reason they send certain men. Equality and women's lib have come back to haunt women, be careful what you wish for! Clinton changed the rules so women could go to battle, blame him!
Kerry for Senator
QUOTE (ingognito @ Sep 21 2004, 03:13 PM)
A reservist is used for home duites

To defend ourselves against the Canadians. laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif

Your a moron if you do not know what you are getting into when you sign on the dotted line. If you sign up, don't be amazed when you are called to serve. wink.gif
jaybee
QUOTE (Kerry for Senator @ Sep 22 2004, 11:34 PM)
QUOTE (ingognito @ Sep 21 2004, 03:13 PM)
A reservist is used for home duites

To defend ourselves against the Canadians. laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif

Your a moron if you do not know what you are getting into when you sign on the dotted line. If you sign up, don't be amazed when you are called to serve. wink.gif

Aw, come on KforS...maybe she just signed up to get a free education at tax payer expense! Why should she read about military obligations if all she wanted was to go to school? Aren't we just supposed to read the parts we like? Or is that just a liberal thing to do?
Kerry for Senator
QUOTE (jaybee @ Sep 22 2004, 11:46 PM)
Aw, come on KforS...maybe she just signed up to get a free education at tax payer expense!

Sucka
jaybee
QUOTE (Kerry for Senator @ Sep 23 2004, 12:00 AM)
QUOTE (jaybee @ Sep 22 2004, 11:46 PM)
Aw, come on KforS...maybe she just signed up to get a free education at tax payer expense!

Sucka

I was being facitious...you knew that, right? smile.gif
Kerry for Senator
You're not the Sucka. wink.gif
jaybee
QUOTE (Kerry for Senator @ Sep 23 2004, 02:39 AM)
You're not the Sucka. wink.gif

Good! I thought your brain might have fried from reading all the raving lunacy on here. smile.gif
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