You think so?

In any case, bush clearly does not pass the GLOBAL TEST.
He is a brain damaged idiot and that he ever became president of anything is a cruel fluke of history.
Time to correct the mistake in a few days!

Kerry took the intelligence that Bush sent forth and accepted it at face value like all the others, including Tony Blair. They were all wrong. Kerry did not support a bill to increase supplies to troops in Iraq not because he did not care about the troops' well being, but because the accounting was never disclosed. Could this be
why the FBI is raiding Haliburton offices as I type this. Haliburton as we all know is being investigated for submitting bids to the Pentagon without any competing bids allowed. This means US tax payers were/are being completely ripped off by the government and Haliburton (one in the same).


George W. Bush is a cruel joke.

I won't be voting for Kerry either, I don't trust him or like him and I can't afford his tax increases.

Now don't hand me 'will our grandchildren be able to afford the deficiet in 100 years", because:

1) I won't be here. I have to live now, and I can't afford to suffer any more tax increases!
2) The dems always tax out the butt and then the money rarely goes to reduce anything because the more money the gov't gets, the more they will spend. It's like the average American, they get a pay bonus and do they pay off a bill or find something else fun to buy? The gov't is like that too, it's the American way. So let me keep my money, if it must be wasted, I'll do that myself!

The US intelligence system is set up in such a way that he chairman of the intelligence committee receives the same reports as the president, it is not "filtered" through the presidentt for approval. To say that Kerry was misled is to be a bit disengenuous. He knew what Bush knew. His conclusions were the same as Bush's.

While John Kerry says Iraq is the wrong war in the wrong place at the wrong time, and that Saddam Hussein had no WMD and has even said that that he has no teis with international terrorists threatening the US (note the subtle difference between stating simply "international terrorists" with the caveat of "international terrorists threatening the US - does one assume such a group will never threaten the US?). In November 2001, Kerry seemed to think differently, telling PBS' John McLaughlin,

Kerry had the same conclusion. Nor has he answered the question beyond vague statements (understandable when one is a candidate though). What is the US foriegn policy going to be to drain the swamp of terrorism on a global basis?

How enlightened of you; all your care for future American generations. Enough to make one break out in a session of flag waving.

So, do you make over 200,000 dollars a year?
Kerry's tax plan is to roll back those people to Clinton era, yes HIGHER, rates.

Also, you say you can't afford Kerry.
Can you afford bush?

Higher health care costs
Higher prescription costs
President in the pocket of the medical insurance and pharma companies
Massively higher oil costs

Look in the mirror, look in your wallet, and give it some more thought, ye greed first one.

Strange how many use the same reasoning you have to dismiss Kerry.

So you think Kerry is in the hands of BIG OIL and BIG MEDICINE?
If you are so deluded, go ahead and vote for the right wing zealot.
We only need 270 electoral votes.
Not every vote does count. Mine doesn't because I live in a bush state.

Kerry is beholden to big unions and big business in the form of the media, and of course the legal industry which I believe is a very profitable industry. It is the definition of democracy to be beholden to someone. You may wish to check your own historical records.

I am neither right wing or a zealot, however, it does appear that your own "zealous" tendencies make you less effective in convincing people of your cause.

I don't believe you.
You are a bush republican.
Your attacks against me are silly.
Everyone on this board is partisan.
Anyone undecided at this point is clearly brain damaged.

I certainly haven't attacked you. If anything you seem to be damaging yourself when you act as you do.

I am reminded of Marius during the later Roman republic, a powerful man and general who fell towards dementia and assumed everyone else was mad. He killed well wishers and best friends imagining all kinds of attacks.

A sad commentary for such a man.

You don't get it.
This is the ARMAGEDDON election.
If bush wins, American freedom is over.
The world will SOLIDIFY in hatred and opposition to us if they realize the peoples support of bush was not a fluke (2000).
The middle class is over.
bush will have as many as four supreme court appointments, RADICAL RIGHT WING appointments.
And you want me to be polite.
This is POLITICAL WAR!
I pity people like you who will not know what hit you from the consequences of a bush victory.
And you act like you are a polite intellectual sitting on the fence.
People like you make me sick.

I didn't realize you were a believer in the messianic age. I on the other hand know better than to use biblical references such as the reference Meggido in order to prove a more mundane political stance.

I remember the communists saying, decades earlier, that they pity us poor capitalists who will not know what happened to them. The communists (outside the US) are long since logically bankrupt and buried. Perhaps you should also think more carefully regarding your somewhat adverse behaviour.

You convince no one and end up hurting the cause you proclaim to support. The irony is that there are very good arguments to support some of the positions you have taken, but your somewhat limited reaction overlooks those more objective positions for the more partisan shrill notes that make you so easily dismissible.

There is no connection to what the communists may have said long ago and today's presidential conflict in the US between:

the most radical right wing regime in US history that threatens to permanantly transform American society into something unabashedly unamerican.

and

a sensible, experienced, super intelligent, non ideologically fanatic, US senator, our future president, John Kerry.

You bet I am partisan.
My country is under attack.
And it is now living at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue.
Resist this radical right wing zealot.
The consequences of losing are too severe not to fight.

I am glad you qualified the zealots as being right wing, otherwise you might have been condemning yourself.

I prefer "resist the zealots".
Which of course include those who shout words without substance.

You convince no one and ironically increase support for Bush. This makes you Bush's secret weapon. Zealots who turn the potential convert away. I am sure Bush is behind you patting you as you continue on your tirades.

...higher death rates
Look, both of these guys want whats best for this country. The problem is that we are currently in the middle of a war here and Bush has laid out a plan. If we hand it off to someone who has no idea whats going on, then it will take a while for him to understand fully the situation and what needs to be done.
How many times does this have to be pounded into liberals head??? This is a GLOBAL war on TERROR not only AL QUADA which we are still fightint today. Again, again again, do you think we shoud have waited for Iraq to attack us or blah blah blah we need to take them down before they can hurt us. I love the example zel miller gave. If you are in your garden and you see a nest of venomous copperheads, do you ask your neighbors for authorization to kill them? Do you let your family vote on it? Do you send someone in to inspect it and see if it really is venomous?? And, do you wait until it attacks before you attack? 911 is our wake up call people. Half america doesnt see the point. They think that we should be fighting al quada not Iraq, because we are fighting for nothing and they havn't done anything to us. We ARE fight al quada. Iraq IS harboring terrorists and according to kerry, they have weapons of mass destruction. Hey, maybe if Kerry had the same views as he did 1 1/2 years ago about how much Iraq was a threat and had the same attitude about threats, I would like him a little better.
But now hes a super sonice piece of paper.

Thaiquilla, are you SURE you're not Michael Moore? Or have you just watched fahrenheit too much.

TQ, you keep forgetting that Bush is a cult leader. The level of devotion of his followers are only seen in church goers and suicide bombers. They would die for this man, because at the end, only him matters, not them, not the others. This is what it is all about. They don't hate Kerry because he is a democrat, they hate Kerry because he is not Bush, because he is a threat to Bush. Let them have their draft and die for their "good" cause. Cult followers are expendable and you need them in a good war. The side effect is that there will be fewer of them in the world, and that's a good thing.

And yet part of the definition of cult is to accept someones precepts on faith alone. Isn't that what is being asked of us when we vote for Kerry?

Isn't that what most of your posts entail Butterfly? The "I have the faith you MUST believe me" syndrome?

Where did you read that ? I said that any actions that "violates" universal values or humanist principles, should be condemned. Why is it so hard for you to understand that ? why extrapolling what I said to silly generalities ? are my words to complex for you to follow ? let me know and I will explain myself in simpler terms like "bad", "good" and "stuff"

Star Trek?

What are those principles? Is courtesy one of them? That might be an interesting discussion butterfly. It seems to me you may tend to use a trite phrase without understanding its implication.

WMD ?

What are those principles you ask ? have you read anything else than "history" books or fiction ?

Definitely would be an interesting discussion but very time consuming. I am not sure if you would have the brain juice for it, but I would love to educate you on the matter in public

In short, you are either unwilling or unable to share this philosophy? Is this forum not public enough? It is the opportunity for you to present yourself in a more forthcoming manner and it appears from your post, that is your desire. So why not share the philosophy?

violating humanist values like protecting our country ok you desperate liberal

The reason liberals have a chance at this election is because of their lies and how they can make things sound so bad. I dont need to tell you guys the lies, cause you've had enough of them Im sure. But they say things like we should've had a plan to go to war, and we should have formed a bigger coalition. We did have a plan to go to war. First, bomb the ###### out of saddam. Done. Then, Catch Saddam. Done. Bring freedom and democracy to the people of Iraq who only 1 1/2 years ago have been under tyranny. Done. This was all done in 1 1/2 years. Yet libs find some way to turn this around and make it look like a failure. And look at all the Americans that buy this bullshit. I dont blame them, the liberals are very good with words and ranting on and on FAILURE FAILURE FAILURE. Now they're as desperate to call him satan or something. Yeah, cause if I remember satan was against abortion LOL. Coalition? Well, lets take a look at their plan of a coalition. They want France and Germany to help us. I think it was on this forum that I read that their writing (french and german) was found on the Iraqis weapons. Yeah, lets get them to help us. My God I hope Bush wins Tuesday.
lets see, cult leader, satan, chimpanzee, what else can we call bush? how bout kerry?

You might benefit from reading this, right wingers:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/artic...-2004Oct29.html

Reading ? what's that ?

I don't need to read anything to know that Bush was chosen by God and that Kerry is the work of Satan

Now go back to your books, and leave us patriots alone with our guns and bibles

Oh, I will one day, when I feel like it. I hope you are not upset if I don't do it immediately on your command ? after all who am I to choose the thread I want to participate ? should I also ask you for your permissions next time when I want to enter a thread ?

Thank you O great one

Yes, one day. Perhaps....

Talk the talk rather than walk the walk?

You get a F sir for trolling

Nice try though

Hardly trolling.

If you put forth a philosophy and then refuse to explain the grounds for that philosopy what you have done is troll. Or in a more common venacular you have talked the talk (ie I have a philosophy) but not walked the walk (ie explaining what you have).

I trust you understand my words.