Boon Mee
Oct 30 2004, 06:36 PM
Remember Who to Vote for This Tuesday!
Georgie-Porgie
Oct 30 2004, 07:05 PM
Our warrior, GW!
lamphun
Oct 30 2004, 07:12 PM

"justice to our enemies"
So how come Osama is still running around ? It would seem that Bush isn't up to the job. I suggest that a vote for Kerry would be the best choice.
Thank you
Georgie-Porgie
Oct 30 2004, 07:18 PM
QUOTE (lamphun @ Oct 31 2004, 02:12 AM)
"justice to our enemies"
So how come Osama is still running around ? It would seem that Bush isn't up to the job. I suggest that a vote for Kerry would be the best choice.
Thank you
He is not running around commiting murders. He is hiding in the middle of nowhere where he can't hurt anyone.
Meanwhile, there are plenty of active terrorists around.
We'll get him, when we get him.
VOTE BUSH!
lamphun
Oct 30 2004, 07:20 PM
WRONG !
He's directing mass murder business as usual.
VOTE KERRY
Georgie-Porgie
Oct 30 2004, 07:25 PM
Kerry is still waiting for permission from France.
VOTE BUSH!
Blather
Oct 30 2004, 07:27 PM
What global test will Kerry present for the capture of Usama bin Ladin?
What global test was there for Saddam Hussein? We know that France would veto any resolution in the UN in regard to a more specific resolution. Is France the global test?
Was the global test the first Gulf War in 1991, the grand coalition that Kerry voted against?
How will Bush ensure that future information is more accurate?
What changes has Bush put in place to ensure greater accuracy in the intelligence community?
If Bush requests authorization for war again, how are we sure that his opinion is fully informed?
All of these questions must be answered within ourselves when we vote. While I have questions regarding Bush, I have found Kerry to be more opportunistic (especially in these last days) and less coherent regarding some of the tougher questions (such as those mentioned above).
These are all questions that need to be answered within ourselves and our own opinions.
Thaiquila
Oct 30 2004, 07:31 PM
If you vote for bush, YOU WILL DIE!!!!!!!
lamphun
Oct 30 2004, 07:36 PM
Global test ?
Bin Laden is wanted for Murder and an international arrest warrent has been issued. The fact that Bush has failed to capture or kill him and "Doesn't think a lot about him" shows that he's definately not the man for the job.
Think on this. Bush and his buddies are business partners of the family of the afore mentioned mass murderer. The law enforcement agencies have been told to tread softly and not upset these sensitive rich people. End result Bin Laden is still free.
Georgie-Porgie
Oct 30 2004, 07:37 PM
If you vote for Kerry, you will turn
gay ( most people consider that to be a worse fate )!
Vote for GW!
Blather
Oct 30 2004, 07:39 PM
If you vote for bush, YOU WILL DIE!!!!!!!
If you vote for kerry, YOU WILL DIE!!!!!!!
Thaiquila you are right. But then we all die eventually, the question is whether voting for Bush will hasten that day or delay it. Now if you follow Augustinian or Calvinist predestined views then voting for Bush will neither hasten or delay the day. Neither will voting for Kerry come to think of it. So by making such an obvious statement you are right, we will all eventually die, but then it will happen whether we vote for Bush or for Kerry.
Dying isn't really the issue now is it? So isn't your statement really a moot point?
lamphun
Oct 30 2004, 07:40 PM
I presume you mean HAPPY !
A vote for Kerry will also make most people in other countries very happy. Maybe we can all be friends again. Wouldn't that be nice.
Blather
Oct 30 2004, 07:41 PM
I understand all female actors are secretly thesbians.
Same relevance.
Boon Mee
Oct 30 2004, 08:49 PM
QUOTE (lamphun @ Oct 30 2004, 08:40 PM)
I presume you mean HAPPY !
A vote for Kerry will also make most people in other countries very happy. Maybe we can all be friends again. Wouldn't that be nice.
Yeah, let's vote for Kerry and sit around singing "Kumbaya" songs!
lamphun
Oct 30 2004, 09:05 PM
QUOTE (Boon Mee @ Oct 31 2004, 03:49 AM)
QUOTE (lamphun @ Oct 30 2004, 08:40 PM)
I presume you mean HAPPY !
A vote for Kerry will also make most people in other countries very happy. Maybe we can all be friends again. Wouldn't that be nice.
Yeah, let's vote for Kerry and sit around singing "Kumbaya" songs!
Showing your extreme age. The old are always ready to send the young into battle.
Nothing wrong with "Kumbaya" if it gets the job done. Bringing the guilty to justice, though this may include a few people who are frequent vistors to the white house. Bush will always put his buddies ahead of justice. Until he is ousted Bin Laden will never be caught.
Thaiquila
Oct 30 2004, 10:42 PM
Another happy thought:
http://www.craigslist.org/sfc/rnr/47176783.htmlBetter happy than dead.
If you vote for bush, you will DIE!!!!!
Boon Mee
Oct 30 2004, 11:03 PM
QUOTE (Thaiquila @ Oct 30 2004, 11:42 PM)
Another happy thought:
http://www.craigslist.org/sfc/rnr/47176783.htmlBetter happy than dead.
If you vote for bush, you will DIE!!!!!
Yes, yes, yes...we all
do die in the end, TQ. What's
your point?
Personally, I'd rather take my chances with a strong leader like George W. Bush who won't ask the French if it's OK to defend our country.
lamphun
Oct 30 2004, 11:21 PM
QUOTE (Boon Mee @ Oct 31 2004, 06:03 AM)
Personally, I'd rather take my chances with a strong leader like George W. Bush
Isn't that an Oxy-moron ?
Boon Mee
Oct 30 2004, 11:29 PM
QUOTE (lamphun @ Oct 31 2004, 12:21 AM)
QUOTE (Boon Mee @ Oct 31 2004, 06:03 AM)
Personally, I'd rather take my chances with a strong leader like George W. Bush
Isn't that an Oxy-moron ?
Careful now, using the term "moron" will get you banned on this here Forum.
lamphun
Oct 31 2004, 12:50 AM
QUOTE (Boon Mee @ Oct 31 2004, 06:29 AM)
QUOTE (lamphun @ Oct 31 2004, 12:21 AM)
QUOTE (Boon Mee @ Oct 31 2004, 06:03 AM)
Personally, I'd rather take my chances with a strong leader like George W. Bush
Isn't that an Oxy-moron ?
Careful now, using the term "moron" will get you banned on this here Forum.
Failing to address the point raised. Typical Neo-Con right wing commie.
Boon Mee
Oct 31 2004, 01:15 AM
QUOTE (lamphun @ Oct 31 2004, 01:50 AM)
QUOTE (Boon Mee @ Oct 31 2004, 06:29 AM)
QUOTE (lamphun @ Oct 31 2004, 12:21 AM)
QUOTE (Boon Mee @ Oct 31 2004, 06:03 AM)
Personally, I'd rather take my chances with a strong leader like George W. Bush
Isn't that an Oxy-moron ?
Careful now, using the term "moron" will get you banned on this here Forum.
Failing to address the point raised. Typical Neo-Con right wing commie.
Just like a liberal to confuse lables. To call someone a so-called "neo con right-wing commie" is a contradiction in terms.
lamphun
Oct 31 2004, 01:18 AM
QUOTE (Boon Mee @ Oct 31 2004, 08:15 AM)
QUOTE (lamphun @ Oct 31 2004, 01:50 AM)
QUOTE (Boon Mee @ Oct 31 2004, 06:29 AM)
QUOTE (lamphun @ Oct 31 2004, 12:21 AM)
QUOTE (Boon Mee @ Oct 31 2004, 06:03 AM)
Personally, I'd rather take my chances with a strong leader like George W. Bush
Isn't that an Oxy-moron ?
Careful now, using the term "moron" will get you banned on this here Forum.
Failing to address the point raised. Typical Neo-Con right wing commie.
Just like a liberal to confuse lables. To call someone a so-called "neo con right-wing commie" is a contradiction in terms.
You mean an oxymoron !!
But enough about Georgie Bush
Boon Mee
Oct 31 2004, 01:33 AM
guran
Oct 31 2004, 08:21 AM
As long as Bush is in Power Al Queda will only get stronger.
Al Queda has ( according to the CIA ) a much larger network than before.
What has Bush accomplished apart from killing 100,000 civilians and toppling two regimes which posed no threat at all ?
lamphun
Oct 31 2004, 03:02 PM
"In my opinion" the Bush cabal and Al Qaeda are both strengthened by the cycle of threat and counter threat.
Bush strikes fear and disgust into the Muslim world causing the youth to join extreme groups.
Al Qaeda strikes fear and disgust into America causing them to look for a so called strong leader.
The obvious way out of this cycle is for America to dump Bush and all his idealogical baggage and return to the civilised world.
Blather
Oct 31 2004, 06:26 PM
If al Qaida is stronger, then perhaps someone can explain how many recent attacks there have been in the US? I would say that while Iraq has been the center of controversy, the fact that we have not been attacked in the past few years signifies a weaker terrorist group. Also Usama bin Ladin has held a very low profile relative to his many more "prominent" tapes and interviews prior to his being hunted.
Thaiquila
Oct 31 2004, 06:55 PM
QUOTE (Blather @ Nov 1 2004, 01:26 AM)
If al Qaida is stronger, then perhaps someone can explain how many recent attacks there have been in the US? I would say that while Iraq has been the center of controversy, the fact that we have not been attacked in the past few years signifies a weaker terrorist group. Also Usama bin Ladin has held a very low profile relative to his many more "prominent" tapes and interviews prior to his being hunted.
Simple minded bush supporters might believe that.
Look at the reality.
Hatred of America in the Arab world (not to mention Europe) has increased exponentially because of the illegal bush invasion and occupation of Iraq.
bush is the best RECRUITING TOOL for radical Islamic terrorists ever.
They couldn't have gotten a better one if they had paid for him.
This is obviously why Bin Laden went on tv to fool people that he is for Kerry, because he knows that will make some idiots vote for bush in protest. When Bin Laden is cleary PRO BUSH.
So you and Bin Laden have something in common!
Blather
Oct 31 2004, 07:02 PM
Many opinions but very few facts. The attacks have lessened, many of al Qaeda's leadership is dead or in hiding. They have fallen far and all of the evidence that is not opinion points to it.
The twisted logic of Usama bin Laden supporting Kerry actually supporting Bush is, shall we say, just not credible. Bush has been hunting bin Laden, reducing his infrastructure and keeping him pushed back. So bin Laden supports Kerry? I do not think so.
I have many things in common with bin Laden.
I have read the Qu'ran, though in English
I am semitic
My family is extensive
I am also tall
I have facial hair
I could go on.
But the similarities pretty much end there.
You too have much in common with him.
You support Kerry
You are full of anger and invective
You cannot see someone elses point of view
You classify those who do not think as you do, to be evil or stupid.
Many similarities.
Thaiquila
Oct 31 2004, 07:05 PM
You are very short sighted.
Remember, the history of the terrorists.
They WAIT under they are ready to strike.
Bin Laden should have been LONG DEAD.
bush dropped the ball for his own bizarre American imperialistic ambitions, that are failing miserably.
My contention that Bin Laden is for Bush is NOT AT ALL far fetched.
He is alive.
Bush has fostored massive hatred for America.
This is all good for Bin Laden.
You are blind to logic.
Blather
Oct 31 2004, 07:13 PM
Actually my vision is 20/10.
And conspiracy theories are not of great interest to me.
Thaiquila
Oct 31 2004, 07:39 PM
QUOTE (Blather @ Nov 1 2004, 02:13 AM)
Actually my vision is 20/10.
And conspiracy theories are not of great interest to me.
That is NOT a conspiracy theory in any way.
It was an obvious political move by Bin Laden.
Conspiracy theories are arcane, not obvious.
Blather
Oct 31 2004, 07:46 PM
No, they are obvious. Nor are they arcane. They are usually incredible attempts to justify a paranoid delusion.
Conspiracy delusionists will bend and break every rule of reality in order to make the unreal, real. They reject
Occam's Razor .
Boon Mee
Oct 31 2004, 08:37 PM
REMEMBER WHO TO VOTE FOR!
Butterfly
Nov 1 2004, 12:41 AM
QUOTE (Blather @ Nov 1 2004, 02:02 AM)
Many opinions but very few facts. The attacks have lessened, many of al Qaeda's leadership is dead or in hiding. They have fallen far and all of the evidence that is not opinion points to it.
How is life over at Disneyworld ?
A quick reminder to bring you back to reality:
1st WTC attack : 1993
2nd WTC attack: 2001
Get it ?
Blather
Nov 1 2004, 10:31 AM
It seems to me that you have forgotten the large number of interim attacks on the US embassies, the USS Cole and so on, all al Qaida sponsored. A limited knowledge will always leave you somewhat in the dark (especially in a troll cave) when it comes to such discussions.
For example:
10/93 Soldiers in Somalia killed
1994 Investigation of the WTC bombing reveals that it was only a small part of a massive attack plan that included attacking the CIA headquarters.
6/96 Truck bomb explodes outside Khobar Towers military complex in Saudi Arabia; 19 American servicemen killed, hundreds of others injured.
8/98 Bombing of U.S. embassies in East Africa; 224 killed including 12 Americans.
12/99 Plot to bomb millennium celebrations in Seattle foiled when customs agents arrest an Algerian smuggling explosives into the U.S. Other Algerians subsequently arrested were "Afghan alumni."
12/99 Jordanian police arrested members of a cell planning attacks against Western tourists
10/00 Bombing of the USS Cole in port in Yemen; 17 U.S. sailors killed.
4/11 4/11/2002 Explosion at ancient synogogue in Tunisia leaves 17 dead, including 11 German tourists.
5/02 Car explodes outside hotel in Karachi, Pakistan, killing 14, including 11 French citizens.
6/02 Bomb explodes outside American Consulate in Karachi, Pakistan, killing 12.
10/02 Nightclub bombings in Bali, Indonesia, kill 202, mostly Australian citizens.
5/03 Suicide bombers kill 34, including 8 Americans, at housing compounds for Westerners in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia.
5/03 Four bombs kill 33 people, targeting Jewish, Spanish, and Belgian sites in Casablanca, Morocco.
8/03 8/2003 Suicide car bomb kills 12, injures 150, at Marriott Hotel in Jakarta, Indonesia
11/03 Explosions rock a Riyadh, Saudi Arabia, housing compound killing 17.
11/03 Suicide car bombers simultaneously attack two synagogues in Istanbul, Turkey, killing 25 and injuring hundreds. The following week a British bank in Istanbul is bombed.
3/04 Ten terrorists bombs explode almost simultaneously during the morning rush hour in Madrid, Spain, killing 202 and injuring more than 1,400. A Moroccan affiliate of al-Qaeda claims responsibility.
There is more, but I think I have made my point. Mainly by taking the fight to them, the US tends to avoid the fight at home. Our Homeland security seems to be working or do you believe, given the opportunity, that al Qaeda would opt not to attack the US?
Blather
Nov 1 2004, 05:07 PM
As to Usama bin Ladins support:
QUOTE
November 1, 2004 -- WASHINGTON - Osama bin Laden warned in his October Surprise video that he will be closely monitoring the state-by-state election returns in tomorrow's presidential race — and will spare any state that votes against President Bush from being attacked, according to a new analysis of his statement.
From
Washington PostPerhaps because it seemed to work in Spain?
Thaiquila
Nov 1 2004, 05:12 PM
Blah blah man,
your link is to the NEW YORK POST, a right wing rag for uneducated lower class New York city subway riders, NOT the Washington Post.
Also, the content is highly questionable.
Even if true, it totally supports my thesis.
Laden is no dummy.
He knows if he says one thing, the right wing American people will do the opposite.
So if he really did explicity favor Kerry, he would know that would help bush.
What a last minute bunch of garbage anyway.
In any case, New York state is SOLID KERRY COUNTRY.
And very soon, the whole US is going to be KERRY NATION
Blather
Nov 1 2004, 05:24 PM
A desperate statement.
How can a foriegner like Usama bin Laden understand the US? His view of the west is one of weak decadence that will fold to the Islamic wave. He saw the success of his organizations attack in Spain, why would he not assume the same in the US?
Thaiquila
Nov 1 2004, 05:35 PM
QUOTE (Blather @ Nov 2 2004, 12:24 AM)
A desperate statement.
How can a foriegner like Usama bin Laden understand the US? His view of the west is one of weak decadence that will fold to the Islamic wave. He saw the success of his organizations attack in Spain, why would he not assume the same in the US?
How incredibly ARROGANT!
If you were educated, you would know that some of the best information about America has been written by FOREIGNERS.
Outsiders can often see us more clearly than we can.
I am not desperate.
My man is going to win tomorrow and you know it too.
Your evil leader is going to be FIRED.
I have no sympathy for your sorrow.
BTW: Go back to school!
For starters, try this book:
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/045...3571462-8000769Written by a Frenchman!
Blather
Nov 1 2004, 06:03 PM
Calling me ignorant reflects the desperation. You also haven't spoke to the points I raised.
Yes, desperate.
Boon Mee
Nov 1 2004, 09:28 PM
LET ME SECOND THOSE THOUGHTS!
Thaiquila
Nov 1 2004, 09:58 PM
Yeah, they are sexy alright.
They OPPOSE a woman's right to choose.
They think the rational way to prevent AIDS is to preach chastity.
They demonize gay people to get votes from uneducated fundamentalist Christians.
They censor the airwaves of free speech, including sexual speech.
If they are sexy, give me PRUDISH any day of the week.
This evil, the republican party theocracy wanna be, must be stopped.
Now is the time!
Butterfly
Nov 1 2004, 10:42 PM
QUOTE (Blather @ Nov 1 2004, 05:31 PM)
There is more, but I think I have made my point. Mainly by taking the fight to them, the US tends to avoid the fight at home. Our Homeland security seems to be working or do you believe, given the opportunity, that al Qaeda would opt not to attack the US?
Oh yeah very good point as those terrorist "acts" were not on US soil

And did those acts outside the US refrain 911 from happening ? NO
what's was your point again ? I think you don't have a clue as your reciting your arguments like a good little soldier. What happened to Critical thinking ? you also forgot to go to class that day ?
Butterfly
Nov 1 2004, 10:49 PM
QUOTE (Blather @ Nov 2 2004, 01:03 AM)
Calling me ignorant reflects the desperation. You also haven't spoke to the points I raised.
Yes, desperate.
No, we are desperatly shocked to see an articulate poster to be so blinded, prejudiced, and ignorant on world issues. It's amazing. I have no words. The humanist Rablais had a spot for you in his education section: individuals with good brain, but no brain juice. This happens to be your case. Sad. I blame the US educational system for that mistake.
Boon Mee
Nov 1 2004, 10:52 PM

Leaders and supporters of the anti-U.S. insurgency say their attacks in recent weeks have a clear objective: The greater the violence, the greater the chances that President Bush will be defeated on Tuesday and the Americans will go home.
"If the U.S. Army suffered numerous humiliating losses, [Democratic presidential nominee Sen. John] Kerry would emerge as the superman of the American people," said Mohammad Amin Bashar, a leader of the Muslim Scholars Association, a hard-line clerical group that vocally supports the resistance.
Resistance leader Abu Jalal boasted that the mounting violence had already hurt Mr. Bush's chances.
"American elections and Iraq are linked tightly together," he told a Fallujah-based Iraqi reporter. "We've got to work to change the election, and we've done so. With our strikes, we've dragged Bush into the mud."
Blather
Nov 1 2004, 10:53 PM
QUOTE
Oh yeah very good point as those terrorist "acts" were not on US soil
Exactly.
QUOTE
And did those acts outside the US refrain 911 from happening ? NO
How can they refrain 911 when many happened after 9-11.
Boon Mee
Nov 1 2004, 11:06 PM
NEVER FORGET
If Kerry does steal the election - this will happen with greater frequency...
Butterfly
Nov 1 2004, 11:11 PM
QUOTE (Blather @ Nov 2 2004, 05:53 AM)
QUOTE
Oh yeah very good point as those terrorist "acts" were not on US soil
Exactly.
QUOTE
And did those acts outside the US refrain 911 from happening ? NO
How can they refrain 911 when many happened after 9-11.
I don't think you got it
There were many terrorist acts outside the US before 911 and after 1993, still that didn't stop and will not stop AQ to strike again
Got it now ?
Blather
Nov 2 2004, 12:23 AM
Tell me Butterfly. If you were a terrorist and your most hated target were to suddenly be seen as vulnerable. Would you bypass that hated target and only go after targets outside the US?
Usama bin Ladin himself said the success of the attack was a surprise. Surely if he could, he would have attacked much more viogorously.
The 1993 attack had little to no success.
Are you suggesting that Usama did not want to repeat the success of 9-11?
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