guran
Nov 2 2004, 03:53 PM
The 4pm exit polls seem to indicate a landslide vicotory for Kerry !
http://slate.msn.com/id/2109053/
Thaiquila
Nov 2 2004, 03:55 PM
Yes, it IS an electoral landslide for KERRY.
Right wingers, I hope you feel sick!
And bush may win the popular vote, which makes this incredible victory even sweeter!
You know bush was one of the worse presidents in American history when he is FIRED by a LANDSLIDE during war time.
Too bad we can't put him on trial for WAR CRIMES.
G Man
Nov 2 2004, 04:00 PM
Exit polls don't count - only real votes. Exit polls are particularly suspect, they were all over the place in 2000 and are all over the place today. Polls before 4 PM are particularly useless because they tend to be weighted to people who don't work and are thus dependent on the welfare state so they vote democrat. Wait until exit polls around 7-8 PM start rolling out, they will tighten up and they will be all over the place and they will be just as worthless.
Thaiquila
Nov 2 2004, 04:03 PM
Some people are in incredible DENIAL.
And who cares? You lost. Get used to it. You deserve to lose because you STOLE the last election.
BTW: Zogby has been the most accurate, and incredibly accurate at that, in presidential elections.
Choose to ignore reality. That will NOT change the reality of the well deserved POLITICAL HUMILIATION of george w bush.
One termer JUST LIKE HIS DADDY.
G Man
Nov 2 2004, 04:05 PM
As of 5:50 PM the AOL online exit poll has about 371,000 votes at 57-41 for Bush. It's every bit as scientific of a poll as the exit polls. That is, it's worthless.
EDIT
In early 2000, exit polls showed:
Gore +3 in Florida;
Gore-Bush even in CO (Bush won by 9)
Gore +4 in AZ (Bush won by 6)
Enjoy the exit polling euphoria while you can, it's very likely fleeting.
Thaiquila
Nov 2 2004, 04:17 PM
I will give you one thing.
An ONLINE poll from AOL is indeed WORTHLESS.
I am actually basing my deserved euphoria on the incredibly ACCURATE RECORD of the ZOGBY polling organization.
He has called a KERRY LANDSLIDE.
G Man
Nov 2 2004, 04:29 PM
I think Zogby has made a mistake this election. pollster.
He weights all his polls approximately 39% Democrat, 35% Republican, and 26% independent. This is based on party identification according to 2000 exit polls.
I don't think you can count on this ideology breakdown again. In fact, I think there is more parity between the parties and fewer independents (based on polls I've seen). In 2002, this method led Zogby to miss pro-Republican trends and call 29% of races wrong despite polling more races than any other firm; the average error rate among all pollsters was 13%.
Zogby was wrong more than twice as often as the average pollster. I woudn't call that "incredibly accurate".
Thaiquila
Nov 2 2004, 04:31 PM
What is your source for that?
Why is Zogby incredibly respected by right wing politicians for his accuracy?
I do think you have an agenda, and I suggest you look at yourself in the miror and deal with your DENIAL.
G Man
Nov 2 2004, 04:35 PM
Source link is in the posts,
here it is again.I don't know that Zogby is incredibly respected by right wing politicians for his accuracy, what's you source for that?
Thaiquila
Nov 2 2004, 04:40 PM
QUOTE (G Man @ Nov 2 2004, 11:35 PM)
Source link is in the posts,
here it is again.I don't know that Zogby is incredibly respected by right wing politicians for his accuracy, what's you source for that?
Your source is BOGUS, loser.
The American Spectator is a RADICAL RIGHT WING organization.
They make bush look like a moderate.
Here is info on how right wing politicians respect ZOGBY, if you knew anything about polling, you would know this already:
http://www.palmbeachpost.com/politics/cont...zogby_1029.html
G Man
Nov 2 2004, 04:41 PM
Exit poll trends are interesting though:
PA Kerry +2-4 was +20 earlier in the day
OH Kerry +1 -- was +4
MI Kerry +2 -- was +4
FL Kerry +1 -- was +3
NH Kerry +4 -- was +16
Thaiquila
Nov 2 2004, 04:45 PM
QUOTE (G Man @ Nov 2 2004, 11:41 PM)
Exit poll trends are interesting though:
PA Kerry +2-4 was +20 earlier in the day
OH Kerry +1 -- was +4
MI Kerry +2 -- was +4
FL Kerry +1 -- was +3
NH Kerry +4 -- was +16
I am quaking my boots.
Please pass the champagne and caviar.
Make that FRENCH champagne.
guran
Nov 2 2004, 04:52 PM
[QUOTE]Please pass the champagne and caviar.
Make that FRENCH champagne.[/CODE]
Too early to celebrate yet.
But things are looking interesting at the moment.
The fact that there is a high turnout does not look good for Bush.
We will probably have to wait at least 3 hours more before any definate trend
can be confirmed.
G Man
Nov 2 2004, 04:55 PM
QUOTE (guran @ Nov 2 2004, 11:52 PM)
The fact that there is a high turnout does not look good for Bush.
It's funny but for every person that says that, another says high turnout favors Bush. You're right, it's way to early for anything to be definitive.
Now, pass the beer and chips ...
guran
Nov 2 2004, 05:18 PM
Interesting that no prediction has yet been given for either South Carolina or Virginia , two states that were expected to go to Bush.
Thaiquila
Nov 2 2004, 05:20 PM
QUOTE (guran @ Nov 3 2004, 12:18 AM)
Interesting that no prediction has yet been given for either South Carolina or Virginia , two states that were expected to go to Bush.
bush is going to win South Carolina and Virginia as expected but it is CLOSER THAN EXPECTED.
This was a key thing people are looking at for an early indication of the national outcome. If Virginia is closer than expected, it means Kerry has won.
Virginia is closer than expected.
Kerry has won.
Boon Mee
Nov 2 2004, 05:30 PM
Well, Bush is now up 3 states to 1 and it's going to get even better throughout the night.
Bye bye Waffles!
guran
Nov 2 2004, 05:31 PM
from CBS
There was insufficient information to project a winner in Virginia and South Carolina.
Early returns from exit polls suggest that the Bush administration's Iraq policy is playing only a minor role in the election. Less than a quarter of voters name it as the key factor in their vote for president. Attitudes toward Iraq are fairly evenly split. Roughly half of voters approve of the decision to go war. A bit more than half consider the war in Iraq as part of the war on terrorism. Slightly more than half think the war is going badly and has failed to improve security in the United States.
Boon Mee
Nov 2 2004, 05:35 PM
Catholic vote looks good for the President, particularly in Wisconsin.
Bush is getting 40 percent of the Hispanic vote, compared to 35 percent in 2000.
Exit polls don't include early and absentee voting. Bush leads these nationwide.
There is total confidence that at the end of the night, Bush will win."
guran
Nov 2 2004, 05:36 PM
FOX ?
Thaiquila
Nov 2 2004, 05:37 PM
Zogby poll was NOT an exit poll.
Wisconsin is projected to be an EASY Kerry state.
Nice try.
You lose.
G Man
Nov 2 2004, 05:43 PM
QUOTE (Thaiquila @ Nov 3 2004, 12:37 AM)
Wisconsin is projected to be an EASY Kerry state.
Nice try.
You lose.
Really? Then check this out:
Wisconsin Journal Sentinal says that in its exit polling, 40% say they are Republicans, compared to 35% Democrats. 32% say they are conservative, 20% liberal. And by 55% to 43%, respondents say we are safer from terrorism than we were four years ago.
Sounds like it may actually go Bush based on this exit poll - of course, that's an exit poll so who knows for sure ...
Thaiquila
Nov 2 2004, 05:48 PM
QUOTE (G Man @ Nov 3 2004, 12:43 AM)
QUOTE (Thaiquila @ Nov 3 2004, 12:37 AM)
Wisconsin is projected to be an EASY Kerry state.
Nice try.
You lose.
Really? Then check this out:
Wisconsin Journal Sentinal says that in its exit polling, 40% say they are Republicans, compared to 35% Democrats. 32% say they are conservative, 20% liberal. And by 55% to 43%, respondents say we are safer from terrorism than we were four years ago.
Sounds like it may actually go Bush based on this exit poll - of course, that's an exit poll so who knows for sure ...
Yes,
Zogby had projected Wisconsin a definite Kerry win, margin is SIX PERCENT, not even close.
You lose.
Boon Mee
Nov 2 2004, 06:02 PM
How low will they go in Wisconsin?
"Election Day got off to an ugly start at a parking lot on Milwaukee's northwest side.
Someone slashed the tires on 30 vehicles that were designated for the local Bush/Cheney campaign.
"We showed up this morning, and it appears the tires were slashed on the vehicles we were going to transport our people to the polls to conduct our poll watching effort," said Rick Wiley, the political director for the Republican Party of Wisconsin.
Wiley said the vandalism caused poll watchers to have a slow start.
..."Wiley said he believes the vandals showed up at 6 a.m., slashed the tires on the vans that were parked on the outside to make it difficult for the ones on the inside to get out," WISN 12 News reporter DeMarco Morgan said.
"It appears as though it was an effort to keep our vans on the lot so we couldn't get our people to the polls," Wiley said.
...Wiley said the poll watchers were still able to make it to their assigned areas, and more than 50 rented vans are still being used."
http://www.channel3000.com/news/3883152/detail.html
guran
Nov 2 2004, 06:05 PM
Well done !
No other country in the world that I know of where political workers are allowed into the polling building.
Boon Mee
Nov 2 2004, 06:10 PM
Popular Vote 3% of Precincts Reporting 7 PM Central
George W. Bush 57% 1,899,722
John Kerry 43% 1,425,81
Electoral
Bush 39
Kerry 03
guran
Nov 2 2004, 06:12 PM
forgot to mention which state.
Thaiquila
Nov 2 2004, 06:14 PM
QUOTE (Boon Mee @ Nov 3 2004, 01:10 AM)
Popular Vote 3% of Precincts Reporting 7 PM Central
George W. Bush 57% 1,899,722
John Kerry 43% 1,425,81
Electoral
Bush 39
Kerry 03
You are DELUDED!
When are you going to face reality and CONCEDE?
Just now, NEW JERSEY, the state the bushies though they could steal from the democrats, was projected an EASY WIN FOR KERRY.
Terrorism was the number one issue in New Jersey due to 911 being so close to them. 55 percent thought KERRY can do a better job on terrorism.
If you bushies do not realize that this means IT IS TOTALLY OVER for the bush regime, you are only making fools of yourselves.
Boon Mee
Nov 2 2004, 07:40 PM
Popular Vote 16% of Precincts Reporting
George W. Bush 53% 12,137,221
John Kerry 46% 10,506,668
Electoral
Bush 169
Kerry 112
Butterfly
Nov 2 2004, 10:54 PM
QUOTE (guran @ Nov 3 2004, 12:36 AM)
FOX ?
I think it spells "Faux"
Boon Mee
Nov 2 2004, 11:18 PM
QUOTE (Butterfly @ Nov 2 2004, 11:54 PM)
QUOTE (guran @ Nov 3 2004, 12:36 AM)
FOX ?
I think it spells "Faux"
Don't matter how it's spelled...Bush Won!
Take that, Liberals!
G Man
Nov 2 2004, 11:20 PM
QUOTE (Thaiquila @ Nov 2 2004, 11:03 PM)
Some people are in incredible DENIAL.
And who cares? You lost. Get used to it. You deserve to lose because you STOLE the last election.
BTW: Zogby has been the most accurate, and incredibly accurate at that, in presidential elections.
Choose to ignore reality. That will NOT change the reality of the well deserved POLITICAL HUMILIATION of george w bush.
One termer JUST LIKE HIS DADDY.
ROTFLMAO
Georgie-Porgie
Nov 2 2004, 11:21 PM
Bush Rules!
There is JUSTICE!
Boon Mee
Nov 2 2004, 11:21 PM
QUOTE (G Man @ Nov 3 2004, 12:20 AM)
QUOTE (Thaiquila @ Nov 2 2004, 11:03 PM)
Some people are in incredible DENIAL.
And who cares? You lost. Get used to it. You deserve to lose because you STOLE the last election.
BTW: Zogby has been the most accurate, and incredibly accurate at that, in presidential elections.
Choose to ignore reality. That will NOT change the reality of the well deserved POLITICAL HUMILIATION of george w bush.
One termer JUST LIKE HIS DADDY.
ROTFLMAO
Make that a double for me!
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