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"democrats" is spelled without an e, thank you. Don't worry, you won't be using that word very much any more. All you've got to remember how to spell now is Nazis, Fascists, and the Ku Klux Klan, we are your new masters unless you decide to take a trip across the Atlantic.

Sieg Heil!

Ich liebe mein Fuhrer, Heil Bush

Imperator

Do you think the elections were rigged ?

We will likely never know if they were rigged or not.
I did hear something about bush being "guaranteed" Florida and Ohio by his organization, so who knows what that meant.

In any case, it doesn't matter. There were enough ignorant and religious fanatic yahoos to give this guy a majority, and it is now time to let them go hog wild with their power, watch the damage they cause at home and abroad, and WAIT FOR THE PENDULUM TO SWING.

Because right now, we are deep into the DARK AGES of American "civilization."

There were probably rigged but it doesn't matter now as the electoral system would need to be revised for democracy to work in the US. This problem should have been fixed before.

It's too late to complain.

The massive voting turnout was probably followed by those church goers following orders from their "religious leaders". When politics meet religion, it becomes a powerful manipulation tool. Why do you think the islamics have been doing it for so long ?

This isn't only about religion. Liberals are so steamed up about all our troops dying in Iraq, yet they seem to think its ok to kill babies here in the U.S.. You don't have to be religious to see that.

You mean like "conservatives" supporting the "death penalty" while denying women the right to abortion ?

No, Bush knocked the stuffing outa that Liberal/Commie/Bleeding Heart punk!

Yes, the bush win can be boiled down to Ohio.
The margin was relatively small and the right wing turnout was huge.
There were goaded to turnout over the bogus anti gay marriage amendment.
And of course this group also voted for bush.
Indeed, the churches got involved in getting this group of yahoos to the polls.
The right wing has figured out how to manipulate the fundamentalist church vote through "wedge" issues of hate and fear.
They win.
They can have it.

Yeah, yeah, yeah...when are you moving back to LOS and start concentrating on Mangos or something else?

Since when did an unborn child commit a vicious murder? Your analogy is skewed.

Gentlemen,

Excellent points ustrader. I don't agree entirely with your conclusions but you are correct about the Democratic Party. Something is wrong in that system if they can't fight an easy target like Bush.

I believe that the reason Bush won was that Bush was not perceived as "strong" as Kerry. Let me explain. Kerry was "politically" too strong and Bush is a "weak" puppy as we could see in those debates. Incidentatly, I think people could identify with Bush more easily, as Kerry seemed too "professional" or too much of a "politician". I think for the first time, US voters may have voted for a "loser" because they felt more confortable with him in this complex and changing world. This is a big change in US collective attitude, and not a bad change

Good post IMO.
So, stupidity wins ?

Mike

Butterfly:

Bush won precisely because of the perception he is strong. The "flip flopper" charge against Kerry remained Kerry's not Bush's. Now you may want to redefine strong leader to mean someone who changes his mind frequently and often, but the majority of the Americans (in both parties) don't accept your definition. I thought the flip flopper charge was not accurate, but it was one that Kerry was stuck with because of his maneuvering during the primary with Howard Dean.

Howard Dean was the psuedo peace candidate and it force Kerry to repudiate the center and move to the left. This move haunted Kerry the rest of his campaign since it revealed a questionable stance on personal values.

Also appearing "too professional" and being "too much of a politician" are not mutually inclusive. Kerry was more the politician than the professional. This was his problem, he was seen as being different from the common man, perception stated he spoke in decrees instead of personal insight. He followed polls, not his beliefs. Such things were done by both candidates but Kerry exposed it much too often.

As to Bush being a loser. The politicians in Bush's wake, the flotsom and jetsom of politics, are filled with people who make the statement you do that "Bush is a loser". Ann Richards, Al Gore, John Kerry, it goes on....

I recall the same attitude expressed when Carter lost to Reagan that "actor". That America had "dumbed down". It appears to me that you are repeating history, apparently you haven't learned from it.

I think the perception is more like "strong" in the outside, and "weak" in the inside, while in reality it's exactly the reverse. He is a weak world leader, but the damages he is doing domestically makes him dangerous. The American people have voted for their own Nero. It's hard to blame them, and it's fun to watch. It's like watching a train wreck in slow motion.

Yes, after bush is through with America,
they will indeed be on their knees PRAYING for a way out of the darkness.
If you want to see the future of America under bush, LOOK AT ARGENTINA.

In one night, the middle class of a country that once had a great middle class DISAPPEARED.

When the world runs away from the dollar as bush continues to amass deficits with more wars and his insanely expensive social security reform plan, America, the great debtor consumer nation, will become a nation of PAUPERS and ECONOMIC SLAVES.


What STUPID FOOLS these American voters be!

Never underestimate the stupidity of a populace. You had too much confidence in American voters and that was your undoing. We had a few sample of those "dillusioned" voters here, and no matter what you said or showed as evidence, they kept supporting Bush as their illuminated leader.

Yes, just like the old cliche:

No one ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American people.

You should see how they are feeling on DemocraticUndergound.com forums

http://www.democraticunderground.com/

They shouldn't be depressed. They are living historical times.

I believe there shouldnt be a death penalty, but better to kill the guilty and spare the innocent, instead of killing the innocent and sparing the guilty like all you liberals are for