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medabong
On Jan 8, 2005, the Chinese coast guards have fired on two Vietnamese fishing boats in the Gulf of Tonkin. They killed 9 Vietnamese fishermen and wounded 8 other people. They also captured 8 other Vietnamese fishermen and 1 fishing boat. The Vietnamese fishermen are not robbers and did not attack any Chinese fishing boats like what the Chinese accused them.

Please sign this petition to oppose the Chinese coast guards' actions.

http://www.petitiononline.com/hauloc/petition.html



A fisherman showing bullet marks on the boat




A victim's family.
ustrader
Gladly signed the peition.

That is all!
Butterfly
Better to get used to it, China is going to be our new master soon. I am sure Fidel will get a seat next to the Chinese laugh.gif
visitor
Actually, that may not be entirely accurate. If the Vietnamese were able to hand the Chinese their heads on a platter in short order some years back, what makes you think that they will be tryumphant with the Viets again? Or anyone else, for that matter.
stroll
"Russia and China plan war games"
"China army will "crush" any Taiwan independence move"
http://archive.wn.com/2004/12/28/1400/p/76...b0ac3272a9.html

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Policy-makers in Tokyo and Washington fear Beijing could trigger instability.
Alarm bells are ringing in Tokyo and Washington over China's splurge in military spending.
Fearing China could develop an adversarial relationship with them, the two governments have begun mapping a new security strategy to dissuade Beijing from pursuing its military buildup.
http://www.asahi.com/english/politics/TKY200501150190.html

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"China is building strategic relationships along the sea lanes from the Middle East to the South China Sea in ways that suggest defensive and offensive positioning to protect China's energy interests, but also to serve broad security objectives," said the report sponsored by the director, Net Assessment, who heads Mr. Rumsfeld's office on future-oriented strategies.
http://washingtontimes.com/national/200501...15550-1929r.htm

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White House spokesmen have made it clear that they fear allowing China access to one of the biggest arms markets in the world could disrupt the fragile balance of power across the world, and particularly in Asia. But, in "a dangerous" move that could threaten British access to American military technology and freeze UK defence firms out of the lucrative US market, Blair has now signalled that he is prepared to give his full support to ongoing EU moves to replace the embargo with a code of conduct.
http://news.scotsman.com/uk.cfm?id=56712005

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On an issue of major strategic concern to the United States, the European Union has decided to flout American concerns and side with China, and Britain has put its vaunted "special relationship" with the United States to one side, and has gone along with its fellow Europeans. A new world order is coming.
http://www.washtimes.com/upi-breaking/2005...82227-3602r.htm

Americans beware, the Islamist terrorist thread is not the only evil after the collapse of the Soviet block, the yellow peril is gaining momentum, and the Europeans side with the enemy again! biggrin.gif
Butterfly
I would love to see Tawain invaded by the Chinese and see Bush swallow his pride and tough talk by letting them get away with it laugh.gif

Invading a poor defenseless country like Iraq, ok to attack

but standing up to a growing superpower, dodge

That's the republican logic for you
lamphun
The Chinese have re-organised and re-equpped their armed forces over the last few years. This has been made possible by the huge trade surplus China has with America. It's obvious that George Bush is very popular with the Chinese leadership. It's not unlikely that they were major contributors to Bush's re-election campaign.
Butterfly
QUOTE (lamphun @ Jan 18 2005, 05:40 PM)
The Chinese have re-organised and re-equpped their armed forces over the last few years. This has been made possible by the huge trade surplus China has with America. It's obvious that George Bush is very popular with the Chinese leadership. It's not unlikely that they were major contributors to Bush's re-election campaign.

no, no, no

You got it all wrong. It's Clinton fault. No, not his penis this time but because he transfered all our military technology to China rolleyes.gif
ustrader



Thats is all!
Razin
Taiwan I think won't give in easily. they are also tough. all male population must undergo compulsory military trainging / service - saem as in Singapoer, Israel, Russia (don't rememebr other countries) ....

however China becomes more serious rival whne it sides with .... INdia !

China, India rival US competitiveness: Survey

So long US, hello China, India

By David Fullbrook

BANGKOK - A curious thing: clicking around websites of US political parties and the State Department reveals nothing on foreign policy. In the long-term game of geopolitical chess being played on the Southeast Asian board, rising stars China and India may well gain the upper hand if the new US president fails to take a longer view beyond Iraq and terrorism.
US public preoccupation with Iraq and terrorism has intensified obsession with the daily news sound bite, at the expense of well-crafted, farsighted strategy. Meanwhile in Asia a rising, brash, confident China is flexing its diplomatic muscle, wooing states around the region.
Thailand in particular, once thought a key and unquestioning US ally, is quietly sliding into China's warm, embracing arms. Most Thai cabinet ministers, including Prime Minister Thaksin Shinawatra, have, through their respective families, significant investments in China. Thai companies, many owned by savvy ethnic Chinese, increasingly seek opportunities in their giant northern neighbor....
Had the United States launched its "war on terrorism" in the 1970s or 1980s, Thailand would have signed up immediately. As it turned out, Thaksin initially opted for neutrality. Only under heavy pressure did Bangkok later, against strong domestic opposition, send a company of army engineers to Afghanistan for a short tour, followed by a similar deployment including medics to Iraq. No further significant deployments, certainly not much-needed infantry, are on the horizon...

China's and India's rising influence is most visible regarding Myanmar, which simply shrugs when the US and its allies holler about human rights, dictatorship and drugs. Actions speak, not words. China says little, yet does much, selling weapons to Yangon, throwing in military gifts and other aid. Its spies monitor signals intelligence across the Indian Ocean from perches on Myanmar's coastline, which offers fuel and stores for passing Chinese navy warships....

Thailand's close friendship with China is not surprising either. Historically Thai kingdoms have always shown allegiance to the Middle Kingdom, only going their own way when China was weak or racked by strife and war, as it periodically has been through history. Such allegiance bought protection and trade at little cost. China's current ascendance after a few centuries of nadir may well have far to run, something not lost on the Thais or their neighbors.

By contrast, the US has been at its pinnacle for some time. It sits high on the wheel in the circular view of life and power permeating Southeast Asia, suggesting it is closer to decline. Some economists, those masters of numerical sleight of hand, would argue that so high are US private and public debts that its power will be crimped sooner rather than later by economic reality.

Countering these forces, especially with the game already well under way, is perhaps the greatest challenge facing the new US president and his administration. It requires foresight and a long-term policy view spanning decades, something that is difficult in any democracy, but especially so in the US, where the Democrats tend to be more internationalist [than domestic ! biggrin.gif ], the Republicans more isolationist.... "


China, India and Japan Duke It Out in Asia: William Pesek Jr.

Feb. 14 (Bloomberg) -- Everyone has an opinion on who will lead Asia in the years ahead, including the Group of Seven. Earlier this month, it clearly seemed to put its money on China...

The future size of the Chinese and Indian economies isn't just an academic issue...

West ultimately could favor India over China. Reasons include India's well-established Western-style democracy, the belief it's better equipped to protect intellectual property rights and the view of China a geopolitical competitor.

Yes, China has vast potential, but so does India. You'd think the G-7 would be hedging its bets on which economy will rule Asia 15 years from now. It may not be the one they think.


China and India Aim

February 18, 2005 issue

"One of the most important outcomes which emerged from the dialogue is the expressed concern of China about deteriorating U.S.-Iranian relations, triggered by U.S. insistence that Iran's nuclear fuel enrichment program is a cover for developing weapons of mass destruction. Wu Dawei made clear that Beijing is pressing Moscow, Paris, and Berlin to take steps to prevent any U.S. hostility against Iran, saying that China is willing to mediate with the United States and the West about Iran's nuclear program. New Delhi urged the Chinese Vice-Minister to impress upon Pakistan not to open its air space to the U.S. Air Force, in case Washington plans air strikes on Iran......

The India-China two-way trade is now US$1 billion a month, compared to US$1 billion a year a decade ago .... if one takes ASEAN, China, Japan, Korea, and India together, the size of such an integrated market is that of the European Union in terms of income, and bigger than the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) in terms of trade....

China and India agreed to deepen defense cooperation: a sign of warming relations between the giant neighbors and former foes.... China would like to step up its cooperation with India in the defense and security sector and advance the bilateral military ties to a higher level .....
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oh, BTW - Europe seems to be having more "foresight" ! wink.gif

Selling Arms to China?
07.03.2005

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EU leaders want to lift a 16-year-old ban on selling arms to China, a move that is vehemently opposed by US officials. DW-WORLD readers seem split on the issue.


US keeps pressure on EU over China arms ban
Mon Mar 7, 9:28 AM ET

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BRUSSELS (AFP) - The US administration is "united" with the Congress in opposing EU plans to lift an arms embargo on China, US officials said after the US legislature threatened trade retaliation over the row.
But while maintaining pressure over the EU drive to lift its 15-year-old embargo, Washington conceded it was unclear what measures Washington would take if, as expected, the ban were lifted in the next few months.....  [ smile.gif ]

"The burden is on the EU side to make that case," said the US official in Brussels.


sure ! after all - it is EU's not UN's ban ! rolleyes.gif
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