Iraq has become a recruitment and training ground for Islamic militants. This is according to the head of the CIA. Might President Bush tell us if this was part of his plan ?

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CIA speaks out.

You have to thank Bush and friends for providing a new home to Osama and friends after they got kicked out of Afganistan by the UN sponsored International Coalition

There's a lot more recruiting and training going on all over since the invasion of Iraq. Wait until they hatch like roaches and start spreading...

Were you per chance referring to terrorists,...........or Collectivists?

In either case, they are already out in the open. I think that a combination spray killer would work best since they are all pests of the highest order. However Collectivists are far more dangerous.

Goss and Rummy also said:

Goss warns of growing N. Korean threat:

http://news.newkerala.com/world-news/?acti...llnews&id=73579

CIA Director Porter Goss's brief, vague reference to potential instability in Mexico led to banner headlines in newspapers here and a harsh response from Mexico's government on Thursday.

http://www.freenewmexican.com/news/10653.html

CIA Director Porter Goss said the fighting in Iraq is providing terrorists with experience and contacts. And he said "it may be only a matter of time" before chemical, biological, radiological or nuclear weapons are used on U.S. soil.

http://www.theomahachannel.com/news/4206332/detail.html

China rebuffs Goss assessment:

[World News]: BEIJING, Feb. 17 : China's Foreign Ministry responded tersely Thursday to CIA Director Porter Goss's statement that China's militarization is becoming a regional threat.

http://news.newkerala.com/world-news/?acti...llnews&id=73577

CIA: China buildup tilting balance

http://edition.cnn.com/2005/ALLPOLITICS/02...oss.china.reut/

CIA Director Porter Goss said Wednesday that a series of upcoming elections in countries such as Colombia, Haiti and Venezuela are a potential cause of instability in the region.

http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/news/10919747.htm?1c

Rumsfeld makes case for funding missile defense

Hmmmm!
The White House wants to spend $8.8 billion on ballistic-missile-defense programs in 2006, down from $9.9 billion authorized for this year.
The Bush administration had ordered the system to be deployed by the end of 2004. It has not been, and no new date for deployment has been set.


http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/20...ledefense_x.htm


Senator’s Jack Reed, D-R.I., a committee member, and Chuck Hagel, R-Neb., said they would introduce legislation to expand the Army by 30,000 troops and the Marines by 3,000. "We don't have the same flexibility and ability to respond to other crises," said Reed, a graduate of West Point.

Hagel said the military's capability to deal with another major war has dropped to a point where troops deployed would be underequipped, undertrained and short on manpower. "When you are too thin, you put your troops in further peril," Hagel said.
"You further jeopardize an already jeopardized force."

Their proposal would increase the size of the Army to 532,400 and the Marines to 181,000.

Rumsfeld says US needs deep-penetrating nuclear bomb:


http://www.webindia123.com/news/showdetail...67578&cat=World

That is all!

What is the point to any of this?

There is an Iraqi Insurgency. Brilliant. It has failed miserably at it's goal of either convincing the US to leave, or convincing the Iraqi people to rise up and aid it.

The Iraqi Insurgency is a failure, plain and simple.

Right on. Now if they would just quit and let bygones be bygones we could all get back to normal.

I think I have to agree with Johnny on this one. Arabs are definitely inferior. Sub-human actually.

Mr Goss said the ongoing Iraq conflict, "while not a cause of extremisms, has become a cause for extremists".


He should read Bin Ladens Fatwa from 98 to see that Iraq has been a cause for extremist for quite a while. MARK

http://www.ict.org.il/articles/fatwah.htm

Ben is right they The insurgency had 2 main goals and both have proven for the most part (there are a lot of Americans that have lost their resolve... But the Iraqi people have not!!!) to, not float the boat, not hold water, not be a dog that hunts.

Your tongue in cheek remark is quite inflammatory.




You are exactly right. Iraq was a cause for extremism for quite a while ... repeat ... was. Now it is just a battle cry for those without cause or justification.

I think the big mistake was made in the Carter Administration...Iran. That was the golden opportunity for what is happening now to have been avoided. If we would have helped the people of Iran out of the grips of a regime, supported by the west, that was even worse, arguably, than the Iraqi one, which for many years was also supported by the west and to this day by some of the west, we would see a completely different world today. Maybe. I am not sure if the domino effect would have had the 'spacing' correct enough to have carried it through to the rest of the ME at that time. Probably would have taken longer but probably would have happened anyway.

Does this mean that you are all for rounding up the usual suspects and firing up the ovens?



You will have to overlook Chuck on this at times. He is a clever fellow, yet his sense of self-importance and glibness can cause a run away chain reaction at times.

[quote=Butterfly,Feb 17 2005, 06:15 AM]
CIA speaks out. [/quote]
You have to thank Bush and friends for providing a new home to Osama and friends after they got kicked out of Afganistan by the UN sponsored International Coalition

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"providing a new home"???, more like baiting a new trap. MARK

Sorry Johnny I was referring to your famous racist post. I might be able to dig it up if you like.

At least Mr. Yang realized it was tongue in cheek. I guess he's gotten used to my silly ways.

By all means Chuck. Even I am curious to see just what I may have stated about it. And don't forget to give the date, so I can retrace and check things for context as well, ok?

We all know that you have a high degree of honesty, but it does help to make sure that you have both hands ABOVE the table as well.

Here's the thread, help yourself...

http://www.bearpit.net/index.php?showtopic=3471&hl=

it looks as though somebody edited out some of the less savoury parts. Something about Arabs being culturally inferior but there are some good ones. Can't recall the exact words...doesn't sound like something you would say at all...

not really Afganistan became better or cooled down:

Afghan Rebels Kill GI, at Least 4 Officers

By PAUL HAVEN, Associated Press Writer
Wed Apr 27, 6:00 PM ET




Afghan Farmers Defy U.S. Opium Clampdown

By NOOR KHAN, Associated Press Writer
Tue Apr 26,11:14 PM ET

[quote=Razin,Apr 28 2005, 09:29 AM]
not really Afganistan became better or cooled down:


Based on what you present as evidence, I suspect your perception of Afghanistan pre invasion has little connection with reality. Those who would know, overwhelmingly percieve differently than you. MARK

http://www.asiafoundation.org/pdf/afghan_voter-ed04.pdf

Majority of Afghans Say Country Heading in Right Direction, Despite Security, Economic Concerns .....

Sixty-four percent of those surveyed said they thought Afghanistan was heading in the right direction, while only 11% said the country was heading in the wrong direction,.......

Nearly two-thirds of Afghans (64%) interviewed said they rarely or never worry about their personal safety, while under the Taliban only 36% felt that way......

- A majority of Afghans surveyed approved of the performance of President Karzai and the Transitional Government. 62% of those surveyed rated President Karzai’s performance as either good or excellent, while 57% rated as good or excellent the work of the Transitional Government as a whole.....

75% of those surveyed held an unfavorable view (62% very unfavorable) of the Taliban, .......

The United Nations was viewed positively by 84% of those surveyed, and foreign aid workers in Afghanistan were viewed favorably by 80%. ......

Roughly two-thirds of Afghans surveyed were positive towards the US (65% were favorable)........

http://www.asiafoundation.org/pdf/afghan_voter-ed04.pdf

[quote=C.Woww,Apr 28 2005, 09:24 AM]
By all means Chuck. Even I am curious to see just what I may have stated about it. And don't forget to give the date, so I can retrace and check things for context as well, ok?

We all know that you have a high degree of honesty, but it does help to make sure that you have both hands ABOVE the table as well.

[/quote]
Here's the thread, help yourself...

http://www.bearpit.net/index.php?showtopic=3471&hl=

it looks as though somebody edited out some of the less savoury parts. Something about Arabs being culturally inferior but there are some good ones. Can't recall the exact words...doesn't sound like something you would say at all...

[/quote]

So what your saying is he wasn't racist at all. A culture can be inferior without the race being inferior.

The Arab Culture in the Middle East is clearly inferior to the Culture of the West.

The Arab people are not what is inferior, the cultures of said nations are what is inferior.

[quote=Ben-T,Apr 28 2005, 09:02 PM]
Here's the thread, help yourself...

http://www.bearpit.net/index.php?showtopic=3471&hl=

it looks as though somebody edited out some of the less savoury parts. Something about Arabs being culturally inferior but there are some good ones. Can't recall the exact words...doesn't sound like something you would say at all...

[/quote]

So what your saying is he wasn't racist at all. A culture can be inferior without the race being inferior.

The Arab Culture in the Middle East is clearly inferior to the Culture of the West.

The Arab people are not what is inferior, the cultures of said nations are what is inferior.

[/quote]

It depends on your yardstick I suppose. If you consider driving around in SUVs consuming fastfood or porn movies and rap music to be culturally superior then the West clearly has an advantage. If you want to discuss architecture and poetry the Islamic world has plenty to offer but it isn't for me to decide what is superior and what is inferior. I am no pundit.

So I won't be answering that one in depth Ben. Also a lot of things happened on this forum before you came along including a change of ownership and a lot of fancy editing. But by all means discuss racial and/or cultural superiority etc. with John L. I'll do a bit of cheerleading from the touchline.

Nice try Chuck. I suppose you are going to state that it was I who went back to this imagionary post and edited it earlier so I would be able to use plausable deniability just for this thread. Or perhaps Phil and I were in cahoots too.

That's fine. If you wish to crawl out even further out on that limb prior to using your saw, be my guest. Even Ben can smell a dead rodent when his nose twitches, can't you Ben?

I guess I was not supposed to be thoruogh enoug to read your post, much less call your bluff. Would you like for us to start over on this one? I'm also a good sport, don't you know?

Now that's what I call a substantial post eh Ben? We learned a bit about Phil, nasal twitching, dead rodents etc but not one mention of racial slurs or cultural superiority. Yes you probably should go back to the beginning. Tell us all about Arab cultural inferiority.....tell us about French, German and Chinese cultural inferiority too while you're at it.

[quote=C.Woww,Apr 28 2005, 02:29 PM]
So what your saying is he wasn't racist at all. A culture can be inferior without the race being inferior.

The Arab Culture in the Middle East is clearly inferior to the Culture of the West.

The Arab people are not what is inferior, the cultures of said nations are what is inferior.

[/quote]

It depends on your yardstick I suppose. If you consider driving around in SUVs consuming fastfood or porn movies and rap music to be culturally superior then the West clearly has an advantage. If you want to discuss architecture and poetry the Islamic world has plenty to offer but it isn't for me to decide what is superior and what is inferior. I am no pundit.

So I won't be answering that one in depth Ben. Also a lot of things happened on this forum before you came along including a change of ownership and a lot of fancy editing. But by all means discuss racial and/or cultural superiority etc. with John L. I'll do a bit of cheerleading from the touchline.

[/quote]


Which do you consider worse?

Driving around in an SUV

Or stoninga woman to death for having the audacity to get raped?

I choose the latter

And btw, fries taste good and there is quite a lot of rap that is good, though little of it is mainstream.

Either way, I prefer bad music to mass murder.

On two other notes:

A.) What's wrong with the quote function?

B.) Why is everyone addressing their posts to me? If this is a battle for my heart, I'm afraid I already love another.

You must be pressing the wrong reply button or something. You've got me on the stoning. Indefensible. I prefer French fries myself.

As usual, you have learned a great deal from your party leadership. If called out on something, and you are unable to verigy your scurulous accusations, then ask the opponent when he last beat his wife in front of others. That will put the other side on defense.

Again, please produce some substantial proff of your accusations. I will be waitnit patently for your honest answer. Should I hold my breath?

Yes by all means hold your breath. You know as well as I do there's no way I can prove you edited the posts. Nor is there any way you can prove you didn't. Not that it makes much difference. Your arrogance speaks for itself.

another darn double post

Well, I can tell you categorically that I have never edited anything like what you are cleverly insinuating. So if you are going to keep with this fiction, enjoy yourself. The other members will only continue to view you as perhaps a bit senile.

Unlike you I don't have a clue what the 'other members' will be viewing or how. It will be entirely up to them.