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Even experts are surprised at the vast numbers of U.S. soldiers who have been deployed after 9/11. Even if troop levels in Iraq are cut next year, the military may be permanently damaged.

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By Mark Benjamin

Three and a half years have passed since U.S. bombs started falling in Afghanistan, and ever since then, the U.S. military has been engaged in combat overseas. What most Americans are probably unaware of, however, is just how many American soldiers have been deployed. Well over 1 million U.S. troops have fought in the wars since Sept. 11, 2001, according to Pentagon data released to Salon. As of Jan. 31, 2005, the exact figure was 1,048,884, approximately one-third the number of troops ever stationed in or around Vietnam during 15 years of that conflict.

More surprising is the number of troops who have gone to war since 9/11, come back home, and then were redeployed to the battle zone. Of all the troops ever sent to Iraq or Afghanistan, one-third have gone more than once, according to the Pentagon. In the regular Army, 63 percent of the soldiers have been to war at least one time, and almost 40 percent of those soldiers have gone back. The highest rate of first-time deployments belongs to the Marine Corps Reserve: Almost 90 percent have fought.

The data sheds new light on how all-consuming the post-9/11 wars have been for the U.S. military, and suggests a particular strain on U.S. ground forces. An increasing number of military experts believe those forces -- the Army and Marines -- are months away from being overtaxed to the point of serious dysfunction. The situation in Iraq must continue to stabilize. If it doesn't, and the Bush administration continues to both reject the idea of a draft and rebuff efforts to permanently increase the size of the Army and Marines, U.S. ground forces will break down to a point not seen since just after Vietnam.

"Unless things start to improve, we will start to see a serious problem in six to nine months," said Bernard E. Trainor, a retired Marine Corps three-star general and a former Marine Corps deputy chief of staff under Ronald Reagan. "I think they [the Pentagon] are betting that things are going to get better. But that could be a miscalculation," said Trainor. "This crowd has been pretty good at miscalculating."

Indeed, the revelation that well over 1 million U.S. troops have fought in Iraq and Afghanistan surprises even close military observers. "Those are big numbers ... a lot bigger than I would have thought," said John Pike, the director of GlobalSecurity.org, a defense information Web site that tracks the logistics of war. Pike thinks it is too early to tell what the impact will be on the regular Army, but he said the repeated deployments have already broken the reserve forces.

The particularly grinding service in Iraq puts a special brand of wear and tear on the troops, as evidenced in, among other things, the rate of mental illness among soldiers coming home. Among veterans who served in Iraq and are now seeking healthcare from the Department of Veterans Affairs, one in four is now being diagnosed with a mental problem, according to a recent study in the New England Journal of Medicine. There are no front lines in Iraq: Transportation companies, military police and civil affairs soldiers face the same risk of random ambush or death by roadside bombs. The stress goes on 24 hours a day for an entire tour. (Tours vary by unit, with some Army soldiers serving up to a year per tour, and Marines serving seven-month tours.) Veterans of Vietnam say some of that sounds eerily familiar.

During the 15 years of the Vietnam conflict, around 2.4 million troops served there, according to a study of Pentagon data by the Heritage Center for Data Analysis. Some estimates put another 1 million troops in surrounding countries during that time. The U.S. started moving new troops into the Vietnam arena in 1956 and troop levels peaked in Vietnam in 1968 when nearly a half-million troops were there. Most news reports about current military engagement focus on the number of troops in Iraq now: 150,000 are there, with another 20,000 on the ground in Afghanistan, according to the Pentagon.

The United States drafted nearly 2 million people during the Vietnam War era, according to the Selective Service System, but did not activate military reserves as the military is doing for the Iraq war. But no one in the Bush administration has uttered the "D" word for this war. Under intense pressure from Congress, the Bush administration has agreed to temporarily increase the size of the Army until 2008, but says it does not want to permanently increase ground forces because of cost. But if the government does nothing to alleviate the strain on troops, military analysts worry that Iraq might turn into another Vietnam -- but not in the way most people think of that comparison.

Instead, military experts said the tempo of the Iraq war will eventually erode the Army and the Marine Corps into a state of disrepair similar to that after Vietnam, when discipline, morale and readiness were considered by some historians to be the worst ever. The Army was recovering from a war in which troops had killed their superior officers. Drugs were rampant. Some units in Vietnam had refused to fight. That took a decade to fix as the military moved away from the draft to an all-volunteer force in 1973 and began to purge officers who were performing poorly.

Some factors that contributed to the post-Vietnam military slump were particular to that conflict and do not apply to Iraq; most notably, the Vietnam-era Army included a large number of conscripted soldiers. The modern professional soldier is more motivated and better trained. Conventional wisdom says that the modern all-volunteer Army can last longer in war and bounce back faster. But the risk of pushing the military too far still remains.

Anecdotes and examples abound showing the current strain on the military. The Iraq war is burning through troops. In addition to troops getting treatment in military hospitals, nearly 50,000 veterans from Iraq and Afghanistan, including those discharged for wounds or injuries, are now out of the military and getting medical treatment from the Department of Veterans Affairs, according to V.A. data. Around 25,000 troops have been medically evacuated from Iraq and Afghanistan, according to the Pentagon's transportation command.

Further, calls to the GI Rights Hotline, an 800 number set up by nonprofit groups for soldiers to get information on military discharges, have nearly tripled since the year 2000. The hot line got 32,200 calls last year from soldiers who don't want to go to Iraq -- or don't want to go back. "The majority of the calls are people who are trying to get out," said the hot line's manager, Steve Morse, GI rights program coordinator for the Central Committee for Conscientious Objectors in Oakland, Calif. Most of the calls are from AWOL soldiers who are looking for help, or are interested in becoming conscientious objectors or getting some sort of discharge. A February Harper's article said 5,500 troops have gone AWOL since the invasion of Iraq.

The good news is that the situation in Iraq may be genuinely improving. The Pentagon reported last week that the number of "terrorist incidents" in Iraq has dropped to the lowest level since March 2004. The rates of combat deaths, which have fluctuated since the invasion in March 2003, are decreasing this year. But that could change at any time. And now the American military is at a precarious tipping point. Even some current Pentagon leaders have expressed concern. "What keeps me awake at night," Army Vice Chief of Staff Gen. Richard A. Cody told a Senate panel last month, "is what will this all-volunteer force look like in 2007?"

Pentagon officials told the New York Times recently that the United States might be able to reduce the number of troops in Iraq to 105,000 early next year -- if violence does not spike again. (The article notes that similar plans last year were put on ice after the insurgency heated up.) Some military experts said by early next year, it will already be too late to prevent serious damage to U.S. ground forces.

"If you want to ask how to destroy the all-volunteer Army, the Bush administration has provided a textbook case," Lawrence J. Korb told an audience at a Center for American Progress debate on the draft this month. Korb, an assistant secretary of defense under Reagan, said the strain may soon become overwhelming -- and Bush is not doing enough about it. "It may be that at some point we have cracked the all-volunteer force so much, we will have to do something else." Korb said that he thinks that three combat tours is the breaking point. Some combat units, such as the Army's famed Third Infantry Division, are in Iraq for the second time now.

Ironically, while some experts think the draft exacerbated the desolation of the Army after Vietnam, others argue that it is one option to maintain national security given the current strain on the all-volunteer force. "America has a choice. It can be the world's superpower or it can maintain the current all-volunteer military, but it probably can't do both," Phillip Carter and Paul Glastris wrote in the Washington Monthly last month.

The Pentagon has moved to stop the bleeding, enacting "stop loss" policies that prevent some soldiers from leaving the military. They have tapped the Individual Ready Reserve, soldiers who thought they had severed ties with the military years ago. Critics have said these policies are part of a "back door draft." The Bush administration has agreed only to the temporary increase in the size of the Army until 2008 and is reconfiguring combat units to get more foot-soldier bang for its buck.

But recruitment is also falling, particularly for Army Reserve units. The Pentagon said last month that both the active-duty and reserve forces are behind on recruiting goals for this year. The National Guard is down 25 percent. The Pentagon is adding new recruiters to try to fill the gaps: The Army National Guard has said it will add another 1,400 alone. "This will be a very challenging year for recruiting for the reserve components," Charles S. Abell, principal deputy undersecretary of defense for personnel and readiness, told Congress last month. That trend continues even as the military increases signing bonuses and lowers its standards for signing up. (Most recently, the government decided that a new recruit into the reserves could be 39 instead of 34.)

Sen. Chuck Hagel, R-Neb., and Sen. Jack Reed, D-R.I. -- a Vietnam veteran and an Army Ranger, respectively -- want to permanently increase the Army by 30,000 soldiers and add 3,000 Marines. The Bush administration has balked at such efforts, citing the $3 billion price tag. The most pressing issue may be the reserves. Fearing a political backlash if he deployed weekend warriors to Vietnam, President Lyndon Johnson bypassed the reserves and used the draft instead. Indeed, slots in the National Guard were particularly coveted during that era, as the 2004 presidential election and the revisiting of George W. Bush's Guard record made so clear.

After Vietnam, the Pentagon reorganized the military so that it can't fight a big ground war without mobilizing the reserves. The idea was to block the president from waging a war without the full support of the American heartland. Active-duty Army units now rely on reserve units to perform vital functions in a major mobilization.

But the reserves are lagging the farthest behind in meeting their recruitment goals. The long deployments may have been particularly shocking for the troops, many of whom simply did not think they were signing up for this. The grind is wearing the reserves down, and fewer people are willing to sign up for it now. The Army Reserve's chief, Lt. Gen. James Helmly, wrote in a memo to Army Chief of Staff Gen. Peter Schoomaker late last year that the stress meant the Army Reserve was "degenerating into a 'broken' force."

Pike, from GlobalSecurity.org, said the situation for the reserves is dire. "The guard is broken and cannot be fixed," Pike said. "I don't think anybody would voluntarily, of their own volition, join the National Guard. I think they will have to come up with a new mission statement for the thing
expat
Interesting.

I am pretty sure that this is reaching, though. Besides, if worst comes to worst, the neocons aree not unpreparted. They have looked into restarting the draft board, even if they aren't talking about it at all....
dkward2
The only people I have heard talking about or trying to institute a draft are Democrats.

Washington Times

In fact, it has been Republicans that have backed the all-volunteer army.


Also, it was Bush/Reps trying to bring troops home from Europe and N.Korea over a span of like 5-10 years and Kerry/Dems opposed to it. These moves would have helped ease the strain on our army. A lot of people are holding old ideas about republicans and democrats.

For example, many people think that it's the Republican Party that is sponsored by a few rich people. Actually, while both parties have rich members, it is Republicans who are able to collect a lot more of the smaller donations. On the other hand, many democratic candidates and organizations (read: moveon.org) are sponsored by a few of the wealthy, like George Sorros.

Now that there is a bigger and more diverse media market, the truth is seeping out...hopefully...

Bushisacoward forgot to mention the unprecedented deployment of the military under Clinton. I believe it goes something like "in 45 years prior to Clinton, the military had been deployed 8 times, in Clinton's 8 years, the military was deployed 45 times". However, I believe the real number is like 43 or something. We are still in a lot of those places. I'm not saying that it justifies the Iraq strain; however, I find it curious that the strain of Iraq is being brought up now. Especially with all those troops STILL all over the world from Clinton.

Easy Solution: Bring them home from places we should have never gotten involved with in the first place.
expat
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Easy Solution: Bring them home from places we should have never gotten involved with in the first place.
This includes Iraq, IMHO.... I really don't think you can blame Clinton for wid emilitary involvement. I'm more than certain that his not pulling the troops out of Japan or Germany are two of those '43'. No, he didn't pull the troops out from Iraq, but GWB senior got them in there, and Jr. most certainly inclreased their size. If you really want top talk about unprecedented use of the military, that look no further than the Bush Doctrine. I agree with the restructuring of the Cold War layout of troop distribution. The Dems were just opposing it because they thought (wrongly) they could get political capital from it. Stupid, IMHO.


I followed up about the draft.... The draft board is getting 26 million a year. Bush hasn't done anything to promote the idea, but it is still a 'plan B' so to speak.

Also, there are only a few Dems who have mentioned restarting the draft, and that was because they felt that we would not be able to engage in wars that were not worthwhile if we had a draft.

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For example, many people think that it's the Republican Party that is sponsored by a few rich people.

From a video of GWB speaking at a fundraiser
"What a fine group of people we have here - the Haves and the Have Mores. Or what I like to call "My Base"

GWB also had the biggest single contributors. In fact, George Sorros' involvement in MoveOn.org was newsworthy.

I'm not arguing that the Dems don't have big contributors. They ahve them and there are Dems who are bought off by them, most certianly. Joe Liebermann, for example, has cajoled new Senators to leave issues alone because they were "big contributors." But I am arguing that you can't label the Dems as the "big contributor' party. If anything, the surprising solidarity among rank and file Republicans is due to fundraising might. The Republicans do have a much more effective grassroots campaign. Its not because its bigger than the Dems, though. Its because the Republican grass roots people actually vote. The Dems in large part don't bother.
Mike
QUOTE (dkward2 @ Apr 15 2005, 02:15 PM)
Bushisacoward forgot to mention the unprecedented deployment of the military under Clinton.  I believe it goes something like "in 45 years prior to Clinton, the military had been deployed 8 times, in Clinton's 8 years, the military was deployed 45 times".  However, I believe the real number is like 43 or something.  We are still in a lot of those places. 
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Hi,

Any list & details of that ?
Just curious.....

Mike
dkward2
Mike:

Sure. The direct source is The Politically Incorrect Guide to American History, which is a great history text. It goes through many sections of American history and dispels many myths taught into today's history classes.

Some places where Clinton deployed? Haiti, Somalia, Kosovo, Bosnia, Rwanda, etc. We were everywhere.

Expat:

When I say 43 deployments, I mean 43 new deployments, like the ones mentioned above. Leaving troops where they already are don't count.

Campaign stats show unequivocally that republicans raise way more money at the grassroots level than democrats. This was my main point.

I personally think that those few dems started the draft so that they could then point to the ominous bill in congress calling for a draft, which they did repeatedly. I listened to it on the news (even FOX from Alan Colmes) until I was about to go insane.

As far as why the dems opposed the troop recall, I agree, but I could care less. If they had supported it, it would have been much easier to implement. They opposed it; they were wrong.
Mike
Hi,

Is there really no link or list at all ????
Rwanda ??? really ? ASAIK no US troops there ever.
Thats leaves 4 out of 43.

Mike
expat
I would be very interested in that as well. Unless they are counting multiple deployments in the same locations, I'm pretty suspicious about that.

Yes, republians are raising more money period.
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Among the contributions :

Texas governor's races :
at least $312,500, including $122,500 from Enron CEO Kenneth Lay and his wife, Linda Lay; at least $160,000 from other Enron employees and their relatives; at least $30,000 from Enron political action committee.

2000 presidential campaign :
at least $113,800 from Enron's PAC, its employees and their relatives, including $2,000 each from Kenneth and Linda Lay.
Kenneth Lay also raised at least $100,000 for the campaign as a member of the Bush "Pioneers."

Presidential inaugural gala :
$100,000 from Enron; $100,000 from Kenneth and Linda Lay; $100,000 from then-Enron President Jeffrey Skilling.

Bush presidential recount :
$5,000 each from Kenneth and Linda Lay; $500 from Enron employee Hal Elrod.
Sources : Center for Public Integrity; Center for Responsive Politics; Texans for Public Justice.
Thats direct contributions only, and just from Kenneth Lay (who is still not in jail). Rupert Mudoch consistently donates that maximum allowed from every family member.
dkward2
Sorry if my recollections of the facts were incorrect Mike. However, I realized from the start that I risked a lot answering your "innocent" question without the book in front of me. Your "just curious" becomes a quick accusation... dry.gif

Here is a link to Amazon.com where you may purchase the book.

I see that I must retract my statement, as the facts are not in reach currently (father is reading book, brother has called next).

I can recall reading a list of 15 places we deployed. All of which were unique, not redeployments. The list ended with one of those "and others...."

However, I would still conclude that I am still in the "provable" right for much of this post. The true money raisers are reps, pro-draft is dems, and bringing troops home was reps....
Ben-T
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