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expat
As reported in a new Washing Post article, Delay has some new problems to worry about.

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The documents obtained by The Washington Post, including receipts for his hotel stays in Scotland and London and billings for his golfing during the trip at the famed St. Andrews course in Scotland, substantiate for the first time that some of DeLay's expenses on the trip were billed to charge cards used by the two lobbyists. The invoice for DeLay's plane fare lists the name of what was then Abramoff's lobbying firm, Preston Gates & Ellis.

Multiple sources, including DeLay's then-chief of staff Susan Hirschmann, have confirmed that DeLay's congressional office was in direct contact with Preston Gates about the trip itinerary before DeLay's departure, to work out details of his travel. These contacts raise questions about DeLay's statement that he had no way of knowing about the financial and logistical support provided by Abramoff and his firm.

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They also obligate lawmakers to "make inquiry on the source of the funds that will be used to pay" for any travel ostensibly financed by a nonprofit organization -- to rule out the acceptance of reimbursements that come from one organization when a trip is "in fact organized and conducted by someone else."

Trips outside the United States are also not supposed to exceed a week in length



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Yesterday, DeLay's lawyer, Bobby R. Burchfield, said that DeLay's staff was aware that Preston Gates was trying to arrange meetings and hotels for the trip but that DeLay was unaware of the "logistics" of bill payments, and that DeLay "continues to understand his expenses" were properly paid by the nonprofit organization, the National Center for Public Policy Research.


The lobbyist name was on his plane ticket reciept? Delay knew the lobbyist was trying to arrange hotel accomodations? But he didn't know the lobbyist was paying for anything? He's obligated to ind out who paid for the trip? all he dhad to do was look at his plane ticket... tongue.gif

AND - the new reciecpts show that the trip was much more expensive than reported? IF they believe that the trip was "legal and proper", why lie?
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The new receipts add more detail about these expenses, make clear that the total expenses for all of the participants were at least $50,000 more than was previously known, and connect Abramoff directly to the payment of some charges.


Here's the defense, in case anyone missed it -
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DeLay was "one of the center's honored guests on this trip" and that Abramoff "is being singled out for doing what is commonly done by lobbyists -- taking trips with members of Congress and their staff so that they can learn about issues that impact the Congress and government policy." The center's ability to sponsor "this type of educational trip, using contributor funds, is both legal and proper"


In other words, it is legal and proper for Lobbyists to use non-profits to use 'contributor funds' to go on expensive trips so they can tell the Congressman what they want.


Read more in the article. It shows Delay going on Gambling interest-sponsored trips 2 months before voting for their interests. No doubt the trip was "educational"
John L
you are right, and it is indeed troubling. If true, he should go. But remember this: if your favorite 'elfs' are also guilty of bad behavour, will you be willing to go out on a limb and state that "What is Good For the Goose, is Good For the Gander"?

And if these actions do not break House rules, will you be willing to concede that while he approached the line, it may not have been crossed? And will you be willing to concede that all violators, no matter which party, be held equally accountable for their actions? And will you be willing to admit all this impartially? wink.gif
expat
I am willing to say that if My Favorite Elfs are taking money for their decisions, they ought to be thrown in jail. Or tarred and feathered.

I am quite big on transparency laws. We do not have strong ones, and the transpareny laws we do have are not anforced and getting weaker by the year.

The only way to fight vote-buying is transparency.

THe Ethics committee we have right now is a joke. Delay isn't the only one getting off with a "Bad Boy! now go back to work."

I do not care what party they are. If ou read my posts you'll see I rant against Dems, too.
C.Woww
expat is absolutely correct. This kind of behaviour sets a bad example to fledgling democracies in places like Afghanistan , Kyrgistan and Iraq. It's time for a serious look at vote buying, lobbying, campaign financing and pork barrel politics in my opinion.
expat
The problem, as John L so clearly reiterated, is that niether major party wants to enact anything effective.
John L
QUOTE (expat @ Apr 27 2005, 05:04 AM)
The problem, as John L so clearly reiterated,  is that niether major party wants to enact anything effective.
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Would you want to stop your gravy train from flowing into the trough? And why should they want to allow the average citizen have the same advantages as they? After all they have privatized retirement accounts. Yet the Dems think that what is good for them is not for the citizens they represent.

Both are hypocrites, but one is far worse than the other. .
expat
QUOTE (John L @ Apr 27 2005, 01:03 PM)
Would you want to stop your gravy train from flowing into the trough?  And why should they want to allow the average citizen have the same advantages as they?  After all they have privatized retirement accounts.  Yet the Dems think that what is good for them is not for the citizens they represent.

  Both are hypocrites, but one is far worse than the other.  .
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I'm quite certain Kenneth Lay would agree with you on that one.
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