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Ben-T
Senator John McCain has, at this point, moreorless declared his intention to run for the 2008 Republican Party Nomination.

Should he decide to do such a thing, have no doubt: John McCain will be the next President of the United States
Grizzly
Where did you get this info, Ben? huh.gif
Ben-T
He's been going around on every tv news channel there is talking about how he "Wants to be President"

though he has not yet officially declared his campaign.
John L
QUOTE (Ben-T @ May 29 2005, 04:33 PM)
Senator John McCain has, at this point, moreorless declared his intention to run for the 2008 Republican Party Nomination.

Should he decide to do such a thing, have no doubt: John McCain will be the next President of the United States
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I absolutely disagree Benny! By doing what he has done, he has managed to irritate and infuriate the Republican base to the extent that they will NEVER nominate him, unless there is a crowded field and he lucks up and gains a greater percentage. Then his chance of being elected President are Zero!

I know that I would not vote for him is someone threatened to put a .45Cal ACP round in my cranium. Besides, I think that he really is aware of this, if not before, then certainly by now. He is toast! And rightly so!
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Grizzly
QUOTE (John L @ May 29 2005, 08:40 PM)
I absolutely disagree Benny! 


I wouldn't count my chickens before they hatch, John.

Like I said, "he has Moxie!! cool.gif
Ben-T
I have the same level of vitriol for him as have you John.

However he is immensely appealing to the "moderate" crowd and he is the Media's blue eyed baby.

He would be a near impossible candidate to defeat.
Thaiquila
He is looking a little long in the tooth, and the next election is years away.
The American people want a young, vital new voice as their president ...
HILLARY CLINTON.

Also, it is clear that the repressamerican party is totally owned by the radical right wing Xian fundamentalist fanatics, the American Taliban.

They will NEVER allow Mr. McCain to be nominated.
Ben-T
Currently the Democratic Party carries no serious party platform, and has a very small constituency.

Beyond this Hillary is one of the most hated politicians in the US. Judging from past behavior if would be just like the DNC base to Nominate Hillary and hand the Republicans yet ANOTHER Presidential victory.

No, the American people are far too intelligent to vote the kind of disaster that would be Hillary Rodham Clinton into office, and this is coming from someone who, overall, had a pretty mixed but in the end favorable view of Bill Clinton's Administration.

You're view that the Republican Party is repressive is of course false, formed fro the idea that the GOP wishes to preserve the rights of States in the Union to individually make their own decisions about Gay Marriage instead of forcing all to comply to the ruling of one Dictator in black robes.

Secondly it is formed from the idea that the GOP is against providing Federal Funding to Stem Cell Research. Why should the American taxpayer be forced to pay for something that so many of the American Taxpayers are so deadset against?
Thaiquila
FYI: The vast majority are FOR stem cell research.
What an absurd notion too and total baloney.
A huge percentage of Americans were against the invasion of Iraq and they are still paying for it.

Also, NOBODY cares about platforms, it is PERSONALITIES STUPID.
Monsieur Le Tonk
Hillary is 6:1 favourite with the bookies at the moment.
Early betting favors Hillary vs. Condoleezza in 2008 Presidential Race, according to Sportsbook.com odds makers

According to an item I saw in The Daily Telegraph: Poll shows majority of Americans 'likely' to vote for Hillary Clinton
Thaiquila
Hillary would cream Condie.
Face reality, folks.
America is a conservative country.
We are ready for a woman president, but still 50 years from electing a black president (even an Aunt Jemima like Condie) and 200 years from electing an openly gay married president.
Grizzly
QUOTE ( Ben-T)
Secondly it is formed from the idea that the GOP is against providing Federal Funding to Stem Cell Research. Why should the American taxpayer be forced to pay for something that so many of the American Taxpayers are so deadset against?


All one has to do is watch what is going on the Hill to be able to "feel the waters", so to speak, to get a general idea of the way the vast majority of the people think on an issue, Ben.

I think your:

QUOTE ( Ben-T)
...so many of the American Taxpayers are so deadset against?


Is pretty far off the mainstream with the general populace.
Ben-T
Condi will not be running on the GOP ticket.

The Republicans will most likely be nominating either Rudy Giuliani or John McCain. Both men are immensely popular, Giuliani for his status as a 9/11 hero, and a man that had been extremely popular before that as well. McCain for his status was a genuine war hero and his perception as a Uniting Maverick in Politics.

Either man would use their immense popularity as well as their status as males to steamroll Hillary.
Monsieur Le Tonk
QUOTE (Ben-T @ May 30 2005, 10:10 PM)
Condi will not be running on the GOP ticket.

The Republicans will most likely be nominating either Rudy Giuliani or John McCain. Both men are immensely popular, Giuliani for his status as a 9/11 hero, and a man that had been extremely popular before that as well. McCain for his status was a genuine war hero and his perception as a Uniting Maverick in Politics.

Either man would use their immense popularity as well as their status as males to steamroll Hillary.
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Latest betting odds as follows:

Hillary Clinton..............6-1
Rudy Giuliani...............10-1
Condoleezza Rice.........15-1
John Edwards.............15-1
John McCain...............20-1
Ben-T
We can see how those odds stand up when Hillary comes under the full glare of the GOP war machine. It's ridiculous to be placing betting odds on Election 2008 when we arent even through 2005 yet.
Monsieur Le Tonk
QUOTE (Ben-T @ May 31 2005, 01:34 AM)
We can see how those odds stand up when Hillary comes under the full glare of the GOP war machine. It's ridiculous to be placing betting odds on Election 2008 when we arent even through 2005 yet.
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Seems some people are willing to put their money where their mouth is even this far in advance.

McCain 20:1, tempted?
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Ben-T
hahah not in 2005 Im not thats for sure.
Monsieur Le Tonk
QUOTE (Ben-T @ May 31 2005, 09:35 AM)
hahah not in 2005 Im not thats for sure.
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It's a good price, I just checked William Hills in the UK, they have McCain and 14-1, with Hillary running as the 4-1 favourite.

You did title the topic John McCain: The Man Who Will Be President

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Ben-T
I believe that should he run for the GOP nomination he will be.

I do however think it is ridiculously early to place betting odds. These betting institutions seem unreliable at best, both out of touch with the Americna psyche and the sheer power of the Republican Information Machine.
Monsieur Le Tonk
QUOTE (Ben-T @ May 31 2005, 10:41 AM)
I believe that should he run for the GOP nomination he will be.

I do however think it is ridiculously early to place betting odds. These betting institutions seem unreliable at best, both out of touch with the Americna psyche and the sheer power of the Republican Information Machine.
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William Hills is the largest bookmakers in the UK, its a licenced and legal enterprise.
The odds they give are purely a reflection of where the punters are placing their money.
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Nomad
QUOTE (Monsieur Le Tonk @ May 30 2005, 08:13 PM)
William Hills is the largest bookmakers in the UK, its a licenced and legal enterprise.
The odds they give are purely a reflection of where the punters are placing their money.
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laugh.gif Oh please do provide us with a link, and also a link to the contingencies of this wager offer. popcorn.gif 023.gif
Monsieur Le Tonk
QUOTE (Nomad @ May 31 2005, 11:40 AM)
laugh.gif  Oh please do provide us with a link, and also a link to the contingencies of this wager offer.  popcorn.gif  023.gif
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http://www.willhill.com/iibs/EN/sportsbook.asp

select Politics on the sidebar.
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Boon Mee


He spent too much time in that NVA prison camp... dry.gif
Grizzly
QUOTE (Boon Mee @ Jun 1 2005, 03:51 AM)


He spent too much time in that NVA prison camp... dry.gif
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I wonder why there is so much antipathy? Hmm... just wonder?

QUOTE ( buzzflash.com)
Bush Character Assassination Squad Has McCain in Its Crosshairs, Again

A BUZZFLASH EDITORIAL
From the BuzzFlash Editorial Archives:

Originally Posted in March of 2001

You don't have to be a John McCain fan to sympathize with the guy as he once again gets mugged by the Bush character assassination squad. Last year, they slandered his character in the South Carolina primary in order to put a stake in the heart of his surging bid for the GOP presidential nomination, and now they are using surrogates to malign him once again...


Yeah! I think that enough is enough! If I was him I would jump over to the LEFT period!

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Gop 4 life!
QUOTE (Ben-T @ May 29 2005, 08:33 PM)
Senator John McCain has, at this point, moreorless declared his intention to run for the 2008 Republican Party Nomination.

Should he decide to do such a thing, have no doubt: John McCain will be the next President of the United States
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Please. He'd tear our party apart, he's a total RINO.
Ben-T
I never said I was happy that he would be President, just that I think he will be. Hopefully I am wrong.
Thaiquila
I could live with McCain. Good man.
Boon Mee
QUOTE (Thaiquila @ Jul 2 2005, 02:19 PM)
I could live with McCain. Good man.
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How about Oliver North?
Now there's a stand-up guy who'd make a fine President. smile.gif
Thaiquila
Well, maybe, compared to bush anyway ...

He might have trouble with the southern vote though.
Boon Mee
QUOTE (Thaiquila @ Jul 2 2005, 02:45 PM)
Well, maybe, compared to bush anyway ...

He might have trouble with the southern vote though.
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Why?
He's from Virginia. unsure.gif
Thaiquila
With a name like NORTH, there are just too many reminders of the northern war of aggression, otherwise known as the "recent unpleasantness."
Gop 4 life!
QUOTE (Ben-T @ Jul 2 2005, 07:44 PM)
I never said I was happy that he would be President, just that I think he will be. Hopefully I am wrong.
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Oh you will be. Something tells me we'll end up with either Guiliani or Rice at the top of our ticket.
Ben-T
Rice I could vote for. Given the current choice of Republican hopefuls however, I may very well be supporting Democratic candidate Joeseph Biden in 2008. He is certainly the best candidate to come out so far.
bob
QUOTE (Ben-T @ Jul 4 2005, 02:09 AM)
Rice I could vote for. Given the current choice of Republican hopefuls however, I may very well be supporting Democratic candidate Joeseph Biden in 2008. He is certainly the best candidate to come out so far.
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I guess you missed Bidens' recent moronic comments on CNN. He's a putz.

Rice I think has a very good chance and would make a fine president.
Especially if she was running against the wicked witch dike Hillary. Can you imagine! Bill Clinton: Our first "gentleman"!! laugh.gif popcorn.gif
sea_of_red
QUOTE (Ben-T @ May 29 2005, 03:33 PM)
Senator John McCain has, at this point, moreorless declared his intention to run for the 2008 Republican Party Nomination.

Should he decide to do such a thing, have no doubt: John McCain will be the next President of the United States
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Maybe if he runs as a democrat. He doesn't stand a snowballs chance in 'ell of winning the Republican nomination. His willingness to toss the 2nd amendment will sink him even if his other Liberal ideas don't. Do you have any idea how much money the NRA is going to spend making sure he doesn't get nominated? Hundreds of millions. IIRC they NRA has about 35 million members. At 10 bucks a head, that is 350 million that John's opponents will get. McCain is a RINO (Republican in name only). He won't get a dollar of my money, and I suspect I'm not the only carded donor that feels that way. No, McCain will fold after he runs out of money just before the Iowa primary. The only people that are really keen on John are the Liberal Media types. They LOVE RINO's. Unfortunately for McCain, they vote Democrat.
Gop 4 life!
QUOTE (sea_of_red @ Jul 27 2005, 04:38 AM)
Maybe if he runs as a democrat.  He doesn't stand a snowballs chance in 'ell of winning the Republican nomination.  His willingness to toss the 2nd amendment will sink him even if his other Liberal ideas don't. Do you have any idea how much money the NRA is going to spend making sure he doesn't get nominated?  Hundreds of millions.  IIRC they NRA has about 35 million members.  At 10 bucks a head, that is 350 million that John's opponents will get. McCain is a RINO (Republican in name only).  He won't get a dollar of my money, and I suspect I'm not the only carded donor that feels that way.  No, McCain will fold after he runs out of money just before the Iowa primary.  The only people that are really keen on John are the Liberal Media types.  They LOVE RINO's.  Unfortunately for McCain, they vote Democrat.
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I could not agree with you more. I'm both a Sustaining and Charter member of the RNC, and he won't get a penny from me.
LeveL
Arnold Schwarzenegger I think.

17-1 at William Hill. Thats crap odds considering
it would not even be legal at the moment for him
to stand.

Just shows though doesnt it? Raegan was an actor
who became president. Reagan was Governor of
California before he went on to become President.

Sometimes, I have to pinch myself and realise again,
Arnie actually IS the governor of California already, it
is amazing! By the way this bloke has taken more bungs
than any other governor in the history of the USA, not that
the USA really has much history unles you look to Red Indians
and before that.
Ben-T
Interestingly enough, the US' extremely short history is already vastly more admirable than the history of any of the haughty European nations.

I cannot see a constitutional amendment being passed that would allow Arnold to run between now and 2008.
Gop 4 life!
QUOTE (Ben-T @ Jul 28 2005, 02:16 PM)
Interestingly enough, the US' extremely short history is already vastly more admirable than the history of any of the haughty European nations.

I cannot see a constitutional amendment being passed that would allow Arnold to run between now and 2008.
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GOOD.
Ben-T
I agree.
Vander
No matter how popular or unpopular McCain is when/if he runs, I will not vote for him. I heard him being interviewed by Micheal Reagan on the radio during the 2000 campaign and he was so incredibly self-centered. McCain kept on insisting that he talk about what he wanted to talk about, even though it was Reagan's radio show and therefore was in the position to determine discussion matter.

McCain seems like the kind of guy that just blows off anybody who questions anything about him or his agenda. As a politicain he should be able to field questions without blowing up on the air.

Personally, I favor Condi Rice. Take a look at some of the positions she has held in her phenomenal career (this is from the White House web site, sorry I don't have a link, I got this last year):

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In June 1999, she completed a six year tenure as Stanford University's Provost, during which she was the institution's chief budget and academic officer. As Provost she was responsible for a $1.5 billion annual budget and the academic program involving 1,400 faculty members and 14,000 students.

As professor of political science, Dr. Rice has been on the Stanford faculty since 1981 and has won two of the highest teaching honors -- the 1984 Walter J. Gores Award for Excellence in Teaching and the 1993 School of Humanities and Sciences Dean's Award for Distinguished Teaching.

At Stanford, she has been a member of the Center for International Security and Arms Control, a Senior Fellow of the Institute for International Studies, and a Fellow (by courtesy) of the Hoover Institution. Her books include Germany Unified and Europe Transformed (1995) with Philip Zelikow, The Gorbachev Era (1986) with Alexander Dallin, and Uncertain Allegiance: The Soviet Union and the Czechoslovak Army (1984). She also has written numerous articles on Soviet and East European foreign and defense policy, and has addressed audiences in settings ranging from the U.S. Ambassador's Residence in Moscow to the Commonwealth Club to the 1992 and 2000 Republican National Conventions.
From 1989 through March 1991, the period of German reunification and the final days of the Soviet Union, she served in the Bush Administration as Director, and then Senior Director, of Soviet and East European Affairs in the National Security Council, and a Special Assistant to the President for National Security Affairs. In 1986, while an international affairs fellow of the Council on Foreign Relations, she served as Special Assistant to the Director of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. In 1997, she served on the Federal Advisory Committee on Gender -- Integrated Training in the Military.

She was a member of the boards of directors for the Chevron Corporation, the Charles Schwab Corporation, the William and Flora Hewlett Foundation, the University of Notre Dame, the International Advisory Council of J.P. Morgan and the San Francisco Symphony Board of Governors. She was a Founding Board member of the Center for a New Generation, an educational support fund for schools in East Palo Alto and East Menlo Park, California and was Vice President of the Boys and Girls Club of the Peninsula. In addition, her past board service has encompassed such organizations as Transamerica Corporation, Hewlett Packard, the Carnegie Corporation, Carnegie Endowment for International Peace, The Rand Corporation, the National Council for Soviet and East European Studies, the Mid-Peninsula Urban Coalition and KQED, public broadcasting for San Francisco.
Born November 14, 1954 in Birmingham, Alabama, she earned her bachelor's degree in political science, cum laude and Phi Beta Kappa, from the University of Denver in 1974; her master's from the University of Notre Dame in 1975; and her Ph.D. from the Graduate School of International Studies at the University of Denver in 1981. She is a Fellow of the American Academy of Arts and Sciences and has been awarded honorary doctorates from Morehouse College in 1991, the University of Alabama in 1994, the University of Notre Dame in 1995, the Mississippi College School of Law in 2003, the University of Louisville and Michigan State University in 2004. She resides in Washington, D.C.
Ben-T
I would like to see Condi Rice, Dick Cheney, or this John Porter guy.

I don't like John McCain, my prediction is not an optimistic one.
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