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Grizzly
QUOTE ( Washington Times)
The Supreme Court on Tuesday overturned the conviction of the Arthur Andersen accounting firm for destroying Enron Corp.-related documents before the energy giant's collapse.

In a unanimous opinion, justices said the former Big Five accounting firm's June 2002 conviction was improper. It said the jury instructions at trial were too vague and broad for jurors to determine correctly whether Andersen obstructed justice.


Destroying documents that could show that you broke the law is OK now? huh.gif rolleyes.gif laugh.gif

QUOTE ( excerpt from that article)
The ruling is a setback for the Bush administration, which made prosecution of white-collar criminals a high priority following accounting scandals at major corporations. After Enron's 2001 collapse, the Justice Department went after Andersen first.


Another failure on the Bush administration. William H. Rehnquist's decision too! And some of you talk about liberal judges! laugh.gif
expat
This couldn't have ANYTHING to do with campaign donoations, could it? Naaaaaah. Maybe its the fault of activist judges?
Monsieur Le Tonk
Plutocracy, Kleptocracy,
what's the difference.
The Oligarchy is happy!
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dixon76710
QUOTE (Grizzly @ May 31 2005, 08:36 AM)
Another failure on the Bush administration. William H. Rehnquist's decision too! And some of you talk about liberal judges!  laugh.gif
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???? I would say its a failure of the Judiciary. The trial court judge was the activist judge who didnt follow the written law but no doubt injected his own views.
Obstruction of justice charge and virtually all crimes have an element of INTENT. Destroying documents isnt illegal. Destroying documents with the INTENT to obstruct justice is illegal. MARK
Grizzly
QUOTE (dixon76710 @ Jun 2 2005, 02:21 PM)
???? I would say its a failure of the Judiciary. The trial court judge was the activist judge who didnt follow the written law but no doubt injected his own views.
Obstruction of justice charge and virtually all crimes have an element of INTENT. Destroying documents isnt illegal. Destroying documents with the INTENT to obstruct justice is illegal.        MARK
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So I wonder what the jury thought about intent?
When it comes to cases like these, I think that we should just go ahead and get rid of juries (people of our own peers) because we are probably too benighted to understand the legal process concerning corporate fraud and intent.

Wow! I guess that the Supreme Court can handle all those cases; they have nothing else better to do, right? rolleyes.gif 019.gif
dixon76710
QUOTE (Grizzly @ Jun 2 2005, 11:37 AM)
So I wonder what the jury thought about intent?
When it comes to cases like these, I think that we should just go ahead and get rid of juries (people of our own peers) because we are probably too benighted to understand the legal process concerning corporate fraud and intent.

Wow! I guess that the Supreme Court can handle all those cases; they have nothing else better to do, right?  rolleyes.gif    019.gif
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Its quite possible that given a proper jury instruction, the jury still would have judged Anderson guilty. We dont know. MARK
expat
Yeaahhh... nothing to do with the major campaign donations After all, buying off a judge or a politician would be a major historical precedent laugh.gif
dixon76710
QUOTE (expat @ Jun 3 2005, 01:50 AM)
Yeaahhh...  nothing to do with the major campaign donations  After all,  buying off a judge or a politician would be a major historical precedent laugh.gif
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The justices of the Supreme court dont "campaign" and therfore collect no campaign contributions. A more likely scenario is that the trial court bowed to political and public pressure to make sure somebody is found guilty for the Enron fiasco. And the Supreme court did not bow to these pressures. MARK
expat
The supreme court judges are appointed and do have alliegences, though.
dixon76710
"alliegences" to what? MARK



QUOTE (expat @ Jun 3 2005, 11:21 PM)
The supreme court judges are appointed and do have alliegences, though.
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expat
look at Clarence Thomas for an example....
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