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Thaiquila
You say you are for law and order and traditional values.
However, when your beloved leader is caught red handed in an impeachable offense that has resulted in the deaths of hundreds of thousands of people,
well, you try to act like nothing is wrong, and you support your leader.
How can you justify this?
John L
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Boon Mee
QUOTE (Thaiquila @ Jun 4 2005, 12:38 AM)
You say you are for law and order and traditional values.
However, when your beloved leader is caught red handed in an impeachable offense that has resulted in the deaths of hundreds of thousands of people,
well, you try to act like nothing is wrong, and you support your leader.
How can you justify this?
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Again...what impeachable offense? dry.gif
dixon76710
Because the Downing Street memo is much to do about nothing. Most people can see this. Memo was ALL OVER the British Media and Blair was re-elected. Lunacy to think the same memo would lead to the impeachment of Bush. MARK
bob
QUOTE (Thaiquila @ Jun 4 2005, 06:38 AM)
You say you are for law and order and traditional values.
However, when your beloved leader is caught red handed in an impeachable offense that has resulted in the deaths of hundreds of thousands of people,
well, you try to act like nothing is wrong, and you support your leader.
How can you justify this?
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Getting a little worked up already today I see!
TQ perhaps it is time to move on to a new chapter for your fiction.
Oh! sorry! that's right, Michael Moore hasn't writen anything new lately so you're stuck! laugh.gif
Thaiquila
How short your memories.
Remember the impeachment attempt against Bill Clinton for a lie about a blow job.
Compare and contrast.
You are a bunch of hypocrites, plain and simple.
bob
QUOTE (Thaiquila @ Jun 4 2005, 03:43 PM)
How short your memories.
Remember the impeachment attempt against Bill Clinton for a lie about a blow job.
Compare and contrast.
You are a bunch of hypocrites, plain and simple.
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Please provide your evidence for impeaching Bush.

I know they had a stained dress with Willie's DNA.
We've been over this ad-nauseum. There is no evidence Bush lied!
bob
so quit the huffing and puffing! rolleyes.gif
Thaiquila
Keep repeating it enough times and you might actually believe it!

The sex was legal, the lie was not, in any event, it was a trivial nothing that never should have led to impeachment.
bush lies to bring us to an illegal war, well, that is another story.
bob
You big bad wolf! laugh.gif
bob
Still where is the evidence Bush lied.
Put up or shut up!
Thaiquila
This will do for a start:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/printFriendly...607-523,00.html
dixon76710
Whether a woman has you in her mouth, or whether you have your cigar in her, is infinitely more knowable than whether Saddam has some hidden WMD or not. MARK
Thaiquila
Nothing illegal about the sex Clinton had, Mark.
Monsieur Le Tonk
QUOTE (Thaiquila @ Jun 5 2005, 12:37 AM)
Nothing illegal about the sex Clinton had, Mark.
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"How did sex come to be thought of as dirty in the first place?
God must have been a Republican."


-Will Durst
dixon76710
QUOTE (Thaiquila @ Jun 4 2005, 09:37 AM)
Nothing illegal about the sex Clinton had, Mark.
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And that is why the issue was whether he lied about it in the Paula Jones case and grand Jury investigations. And whether he obstructed justice by attempting to destroy evidence and improperly influence testimony.
The underlying trial was a civil case, not a criminal one. So of course the subject matter is not "illegal". I dont know of a distinction in the law for perjury in criminal as opposed to civil cases. I would hope a President wouldnt do so in either court. MARK
Monsieur Le Tonk
QUOTE (dixon76710 @ Jun 4 2005, 10:47 PM)
Because the Downing Street memo is much to do about nothing. Most people can see this. Memo was ALL OVER the British Media and Blair was re-elected.  Lunacy to think the same memo would lead to the impeachment of Bush.    MARK
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Labour won in the UK with just 35% of the vote!
If the UK voting mechanism was more representative,
i.e. some form of proportional representation,
then Labour would be in coalition or out of office.
With Blair most certainly ousted from the leadership.
Apart from that, the opposition Conservative Party
also supported the war, and its leader, Howard, is
even more despised.
dixon76710
QUOTE (Monsieur Le Tonk @ Jun 4 2005, 10:45 AM)
Labour won in the UK with just 35% of the vote!
If the UK voting mechanism was more representative,
i.e. some form of proportional representation,
then Labour would be in coalition or out of office.
With Blair most certainly ousted from the leadership.
Apart from that, the opposition Conservative Party
also supported the war, and its leader, Howard, is
even more despised.
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Are you making a statement about the likelihood of articles of impeachment being filed on Bush, or just pointing out the need for more proportional representation in Britain? Or possibly the significance of the Downing memo?
And Cheney supported the war and he is even more despised by the left. MARK
bob
QUOTE (Thaiquila @ Jun 4 2005, 04:08 PM)


Ahem! This doesn't point to any lying done by anyone!
All it shows is that the military had a plan and contingency plans. So what? popcorn.gif
Ben-T
Planning is evil.

Don't you know that Bob?

Only corporations plan. And corporations are THE ENEMY!
Thaiquila
Does or does not that document indicate that the intelligence was DESIGNED to support the war argument?
That is different than faulty intelligence.
That is RIGGED intelligence.
If that is true, an impeachment proceeding would bring out all the facts and evidence, and a proper judgment could be made on the criminality of bush.
bob
There is only one paragraph that subjectively states that the evidence was thin.
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The Foreign Secretary said he would discuss this with Colin Powell this week. It seemed clear that Bush had made up his mind to take military action, even if the timing was not yet decided. But the case was thin. Saddam was not threatening his neighbours, and his WMD capability was less than that of Libya, North Korea or Iran. We should work up a plan for an ultimatum to Saddam to allow back in the UN weapons inspectors. This would also help with the legal justification for the use of force.


One persons opinion of "seemed clear" does not make any case that Bush was lying. If anything is "thin" it is this pretext for going after Bush. Give it up! It just is not going to happen. popcorn.gif
It will just make you look like the idiot. wink.gif
Thaiquila
Any intelligent person who watched the charade of the bush buildup to war knows it is was all a machination of fear and lies.
Uncover this rock and there is almost definitely evidence enough to send bush to jail.
Will it happen?
Probably not.
dixon76710
QUOTE (Thaiquila @ Jun 4 2005, 06:22 PM)
Does or does not that document indicate that the intelligence was DESIGNED to support the war argument?
That is different than faulty intelligence.
That is RIGGED intelligence.
If that is true, an impeachment proceeding would bring out all the facts and evidence, and a proper judgment could be made on the criminality of bush.
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"Fixed" was the word. Not "DESIGNED".
Fixed : to set or place definitely : ESTABLISH b : to make an accurate determination of : DISCOVER. MARK

Main Entry: 1fix
Pronunciation: 'fiks
Function: verb
Etymology: Middle English, from Latin fixus, past participle of figere to fasten; akin to Lithuanian dygti to sprout, break through
transitive senses
1 a : to make firm, stable, or stationary b : to give a permanent or final form to: as (1) : to change into a stable compound or available form <bacteria that fix nitrogen> (2) : to kill, harden, and preserve for microscopic study (3) : to make the image of (a photographic film) permanent by removing unused salts c : AFFIX, ATTACH
2 a : to hold or direct steadily <fixes his eyes on the horizon> b : to capture the attention of <fixed her with a stare>
3 a : to set or place definitely : ESTABLISH b : to make an accurate determination of : DISCOVER <fixing our location on the chart> c : ASSIGN <fix the blame>
4 : to set in order : ADJUST
5 : to get ready : PREPARE <fix lunch>
6 a : REPAIR, MEND <fix the clock> b : RESTORE, CURE <the doctor fixed him up> c : SPAY, CASTRATE
7 a : to get even with b : to influence the actions, outcome, or effect of by improper or illegal methods <the race had been fixed>
intransitive senses
1 : to become firm, stable, or fixed
2 : to get set : be on the verge <we're fixing to leave soon>
3 : to direct one's attention or efforts : FOCUS; also : DECIDE, SETTLE -- usually used with on
synonym see FASTEN
- fix·able /'fik-s&-b&l/ adjective
Thaiquila
Ha ha!!!!
How convenient that you left out this meaning of the word fix:

To influence the outcome or actions of by improper or unlawful means: fix a prizefight; fix a jury.

And, by the way, given the context of the word fix in the memo, the definition I give is clearly the one intended in the memo. None over than the incredibly intelligent senator from the great state of Massachusetts, John Kerry, agrees with that. To apply your definitions to the word fix as used in the memo does not make any contextual sense!

http://www.democrats.com/node/4869
dixon76710
QUOTE (Thaiquila @ Jun 4 2005, 08:13 PM)
Ha ha!!!!
How convenient that you left out this meaning of the word fix:

To influence the outcome or actions of by improper or unlawful means: fix a prizefight; fix a jury.


http://www.democrats.com/node/4869
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Silly, I used Merriam Websters. I didnt leave out anything. Your definition is not materially different from 7b in MW, and 3 a or b makes perfect sense in the context of the memo. MARK
http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book...ionary&va=fixed
bob
I see John Kerry still hasn't disclosed his military records.

We are still waiting for him to send in his form 180.

What is he hiding?
A dishonorable discharge perhaps?
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Read em and weep you "girly men" Kerry fans! rolleyes.gif
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