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Nothing could be closer to the truth.

Rove Criticizes Liberals on 9/11
By PATRICK D. HEALY

Karl Rove came to the heart of Manhattan last night to rhapsodize about the decline of liberalism in politics, saying Democrats responded weakly to Sept. 11 and had placed American troops in greater danger by criticizing their actions.

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/23/politics...agewanted=print
Tuatara
QUOTE (Gop 4 life! @ Jun 23 2005, 10:13 AM)
Nothing could be closer to the truth.

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Actually, if Karl Rove said it, nothing cuold be farther from the truth. I have many links to all the lies and dishonest tactics by Karl Rove, so be careful with your response. This man is pure evil.
Gop 4 life!
QUOTE (Tuatara @ Jun 23 2005, 05:45 PM)
Actually, if Karl Rove said it, nothing cuold be farther from the truth. I have many links to all the lies and dishonest tactics by Karl  Rove, so be careful with your response. This man is pure evil.
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I don't deny that the man has probably lied bout some things, but not this, cmon!
John L
QUOTE (Tuatara @ Jun 23 2005, 01:45 PM)
Actually, if Karl Rove said it, nothing cuold be farther from the truth. I have many links to all the lies and dishonest tactics by Karl  Rove, so be careful with your response. This man is pure evil.
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Actually, I have no real opinion one way or the other about Uncle Carl.

However, using him as a comparrison to the Democratic leadership, and call him evil is a very damning indictment of the Democrats in comparrison: such as child molestors, rapists, murderers, common theives, and incestuous interbreeders. What a gang of Political Pediphilia!
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bob
This kind of says it all I think:

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"Conservatives saw the savagery of 9/11 in the attacks and prepared for war; liberals saw the savagery of the 9/11 attacks and wanted to prepare indictments and offer therapy and understanding for our attackers,"


It really must be some kind of "brain damage" which causes liberals to react with such languor.
ustrader
037.gif .What they really think Mr. Rove is up to by these comments




By Rich Procter: 011.gif
'Why we invaded Iraq (and what's coming)'


Here's what I think will happen. On September 1, 2006 (or thereabouts), Rove will put Bush at the center of the Mother Of All Photo Ops. President Bush will declare "VICTORY IN IRAQ! THE TROOPS ARE COMING HOME!" For the next two months and all the way to Election Day, every Republican Senate and House candidate will hold a Victory Parade in his/her district. Let the troop hugging and yellow-ribbon waving begin. Any Democrat who tries to point out that Iraq is descending into chaos will be accused of pessimism, negativity, and of course, being a traitor.

The day after the election, Bush/RoveCo will announce that a little "mopping up" needs to be done, and some troops will have to stay. And the quagmire will continue, until it fully unravels into a civil war. The eventual defeat will, of course, be blamed on the public being hypnotized by the Evil Liberal Media.

The Democrats better understand that Republican cynicism knows no bounds, and that these folks will do whatever it takes to stay in power. Whatever. It. Takes

Source:
http://smirkingchimp.com/article.php?sid=2...order=0&thold=0

Sounds good to me, a sure way to send the whinnies 003.gif back to the narvana from which they troll. 035.gif

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We breathe, we think, we conceive, we deceive, we morass and we digress,  we cultivated  and mutilate, in the end to lives narrate, some lost in solicitousness, some in proficient dimensionless but most in fallaciousness.-Trader

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bob
QUOTE (ustrader @ Jun 24 2005, 03:48 AM)
037.gif .What they really think Mr. Rove is up to by these comments


By Rich Procter:  011.gif
'Why we invaded Iraq (and what's coming)'
Here's what I think will happen. On September 1, 2006 (or thereabouts), Rove will put Bush at the center of the Mother Of All Photo Ops. President Bush will declare "VICTORY IN IRAQ! THE TROOPS ARE COMING HOME!" For the next two months and all the way to Election Day, every Republican Senate and House candidate will hold a Victory Parade in his/her district. Let the troop hugging and yellow-ribbon waving begin. Any Democrat who tries to point out that Iraq is descending into chaos will be accused of pessimism, negativity, and of course, being a traitor.

The day after the election, Bush/RoveCo will announce that a little "mopping up" needs to be done, and some troops will have to stay. And the quagmire will continue, until it fully unravels into a civil war. The eventual defeat will, of course, be blamed on the public being hypnotized by the Evil Liberal Media.

The Democrats better understand that Republican cynicism knows no bounds, and that these folks will do whatever it takes to stay in power. Whatever. It. Takes

Source:
http://smirkingchimp.com/article.php?sid=2...order=0&thold=0

Sounds good to me, a sure way to send the whinnies  003.gif back to the narvana from which they troll.  035.gif

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The "chimpsters" almost hit a home run here. A strong hit almost out of the park. But the "trader" man goes back and back leaps glove in the air crashes into the wall... falls but he comes up the ball! Out #3 for the "chimpsters". Good inning for the "trader" Man
Tuatara
First of all, for Karl Rove to lump all democrats into one group who opposed the war is wrong. Many democrats at first supported the War in Iraq. Those who opposed the war did because they already knew that there were no ties between 911 and Saddam which was implied by Bush and Co.
When the tragic events of September 11th unfolded it brought america and a lot of the world together. Their was worldwide sympathy for the victims and their families. Letters and phonecalls from other nations leaders came rolling in. Even Saddam sent 2 letters. Most leaders were calling for a non-reactioary position. To use intelligence to go after the ringleaders and the terrorists responsible but not to wage wars. Some people's response was not of complete surprise. After the attempted attacks on the Twin towers in 1993, many knew that an event like this would happen. It was predicted by many.
After the events people were asking "who did this?" Their was revenge and payback on the minds of many Americans. How many people asked "Why?" In no means possible do I or anyone else I know condone those attacks but I do understand why they happened. It's not because they hate freedom loving people or any other catchy slogan the Bush administration will sell you. I don't remember any Democrat or liberal for that matter suggesting that we offer therapy for the attackers. This is complete hyperbole. On a side note, didn't the attackers die during these events? I have never heard anyone sympathisewith the actions of the terrorists but some of us understand why they did it. That does not mean we support their actions. By America's response to these attacks, I wouldn't be suprised if there are more in the future. Everyone wants to stop the terrorist attacks, it's just that some of us believe that this can be achieved without killing thousands of other people who were not connected to those attackers of 911.
Tuatara
Found this on another site and I think it describes Karl Rove perfectly.

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Rove is certainly not a dumb man. He knows his statement is inaccurate, but he does not care. Not even a little. Rove cares about enhancing a false perception he himself helped to create. As a political consultant, Rove has earned a great deal of credibility due to his excellent record. As a pundit or commentator, he has none. If he told me it was raining, I'd look out the window expecting to see the sun. And if it was in fact raining, I'd look for the catch.

Here's Rove's problem: His first allegiance clearly appears to be to the Conservative Republican movement and winning. He places it ahead of truth, integrity, and just about all else. These other values and ideas become simply tools he can manipulate as needed. Facts, truth and ethics become malleable to serve end goals. There are plenty of people who place their politics ahead of all else, both Republicans and Democrats. But few of them do it with the skill and success of Rove.

So when someone like Rove talks about Liberals as he does, you have to wonder just who he's talking about. Actually, you don't. He's simply recreating facts to better suit his world view. Will we believe in falsehoods which help validate our world view and/or help us reach our goals, or will we deal in truths?
dixon76710
QUOTE (Tuatara @ Jun 24 2005, 12:09 PM)
Found this on another site and I think it describes Karl Rove perfectly.
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"Rove is certainly not a dumb man. He knows his statement is inaccurate, but he does not care. Not even a little"........
"So when someone like Rove talks about Liberals as he does, you have to wonder just who he's talking about."


LOL!!! Doesnt know who he is talking about but he knows its inaccurate??????
Notice how nobody is trying to refute what it is that he said, only attacking the man. MARK
dixon76710
QUOTE (Tuatara @ Jun 24 2005, 09:36 AM)
First of all, for Karl Rove to lump all democrats into one group who opposed the war is wrong.
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LOLOL!!! Dont believe the term "Democrats" was even used. I think you Liberals are trying to lump all the democrats in with you. MARK
Tuatara
QUOTE (dixon76710 @ Jun 24 2005, 12:49 PM)
LOLOL!!! Dont believe the term "Democrats" was even used. I think you Liberals are trying to lump all the democrats in with you.       MARK
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There is no transcript available from the link GOP provided but article says
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saying Democrats responded weakly to Sept. 11 and had placed American troops in greater danger by criticizing their actions.

Either Rove said it or Patrick Healy is being dishonest.
Tuatara
QUOTE (dixon76710 @ Jun 24 2005, 12:45 PM)
"Rove is certainly not a dumb man. He knows his statement is inaccurate, but he does not care. Not even a little"........
"So when someone like Rove talks about Liberals as he does, you have to wonder just who he's talking about."
LOL!!! Doesnt know who he is talking about but he knows its inaccurate??????
Notice how nobody is trying to refute what it is that he said, only attacking the man.        MARK
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You forgot to add this.
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Actually, you don't. He's simply recreating facts to better suit his world view. Will we believe in falsehoods which help validate our world view and/or help us reach our goals, or will we deal in truths?
ustrader
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First of all, for Karl Rove to lump all democrats into one group who opposed the war is wrong


Frist of all, like the leadership and loudest and most arrogant of voices within the Democratic party have been pure as the driven snow in this regard, Absurdly untrue!!!

Have you been on this planet lately??? Well of course not.

Do you have any idea of what the loudest and most vocal Democratic pundits have been saying about the other side and how negative they always are about EVERYTHING from Iraq, the economy, Social Security, Budget spending, the world and life in general.

H e l l read the rubbish here alone, as it is nothing but a regurgitation of what the far left of the Democratic party have been saying, which is far more, panties in a knot, inflammatory and insulting stuff, by quantum leap, than Rove saying post 9/11 liberals wanted to give the Terrorist therapy and help.

Been a Democrat all my life, but I have never seen, in all those years, including the Vietnam war era, any larger group of leaders and spokespersons, so far left, so out of touch with those of us that are in middle of the road and or moderate liberal and moderate conservative visa v specific issues.

A group, who, historically has been the mainstream democrats that absolutely without doubt have been the ones that carried the Democrats in and now out of power.

Unless that leadership and these annoying negatively clamoring voices heard from therein change, which seems unlikely as of now, I will continue to say, To these Democrat voices of 100% negativism, SHOW ME THE OR GET OUT OF THE WAY!!!



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Tuatara
QUOTE (ustrader @ Jun 24 2005, 02:57 PM)
Frist of all, like the leadership and loudest and most arrogant of voices within the Democratic party have been pure as the driven snow in this regard, Absurdly untrue!!!

Have you been on this planet lately??? Well of course not.

Do you have any idea of what the loudest and most vocal Democratic pundits have been saying about the other side and how negative they always are about EVERYTHING from Iraq, the economy, Social Security, Budget spending, the world and life in general.

H e l l read the rubbish here alone, as it is nothing but a regurgitation of what the far left of the Democratic party have been saying, which is far more, panties in a knot, inflammatory and insulting stuff, by quantum leap, than Rove saying post 9/11 liberals wanted to give the Terrorist therapy and help.

Been a Democrat all my life, but I have never seen, in all those years, including the Vietnam war era, any larger group of leaders and spokespersons, so far left, so out of touch with those of us that are in middle of the road and or moderate liberal and moderate conservative visa v specific issues.

A group, who, historically has been  the mainstream democrats that absolutely without doubt have been the ones that carried the Democrats in and now out of power.

Unless that leadership and these annoying negatively clamoring voices heard from therein change, which seems unlikely as of now, I will continue to say, To these Democrat voices of 100% negativism, SHOW ME THE OR GET OUT OF THE WAY!!!
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Again you make no sense at all. Where have I said that the "Democratic party have been pure as the driven snow"? Where? It's so easy to be right when you make stuff up as you go along. Find one instance where I have even supported the democratic party. I even put in a quote that I agreed with. Remember it.
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There are plenty of people who place their politics ahead of all else, both Republicans and Democrats.


Can you actually give examples to your unfounded talking points? Just because you say they are extreme left doesn't make it so. Yes the Democratic party has been very vocal and critical of the Republican party. That is because they are the opposing party. In my view they have not been vocal enough and they have been missing some very key issues. I find it amazing how many republicans claim to be middle of the road or moderate yet they vote for someone who sounds like an evangical leader. Out of touch. I also think it's a joke when you state "these Democrat voices of 100% negativism" when they speak out against an unjust war. Did you say the same about the Republicans and the Witch-hunt manner they went after Clinton? Your last sentence makes no sense at all. I hope for your sake that you accidentally omitted a word. If not you will need to go back to school for grammar lessons.

Try to stay focused.
OsManli
KArl Rove speaks for the mentally deranged far right zionist extremist crowd.

He makes no sense, he sounds like a lunatic fool......



http://blogs.washingtonpost.com/achenblog/...nist_repub.html


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/theblog/arch...andin_3103.html
Tuatara
OsManli, that second link was great.
Tuatara
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Families of September 11

As families whose relatives were victims of the 9/11 terror attacks, we believe it is an outrage that any Democrat, any Republican, any conservative or any liberal, stakes a "high ground" position based upon the September 11th death and destruction. Doing so assumes that all those who died and their loved ones would agree. In truth, some would and some would not. By definition the conduct is divisive and, because it is intended to be self-serving and politicizes 9/11, it is offensive.

We are calling on Karl Rove to resist his temptations and stop trying to reap political gain in the tragic misfortune of others. His comments are not welcome.

Don't ask for a link, it's everywhere.
Taste o Truth
QUOTE (John L @ Jun 23 2005, 05:37 PM)
Actually, I have no real opinion one way or the other about Uncle Carl.

However, using him as a comparrison to the Democratic leadership, and call him evil is a very damning indictment of the Democrats in comparrison: such as child molestors, rapists, murderers, common theives, and incestuous interbreeders.  What a gang of Political Pediphilia!
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I REEEEEAAAAALLLYYYY hope you're not trying to say that the Democrats are the child molesters.

While I'm sure a lot of Dems have some sick skeletons in their closets, the record shows that a lot of Repubs are some twisted, twisted mofos. To try and pretend that they're "better" than the Dems in terms of "values" is laughable.
ustrader
In response to Tuatara said about the Families of September 11, a group, it is reported that are far from a majority representation of the entire group of Family of victims of 9/11 and well affiliated politically to the Democratic party in NY City which he said there were links every where but as I will not below is not exactly factual.

http://www.familiesofseptember11.org/whoweare.aspx#mem

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What Rove actually said:

"Conservatives saw the savagery of 9-11 and the attacks and prepared for war; liberals saw the savagery of the 9-11 attacks and wanted to prepare indictments and offer therapy and understanding for our attackers.


There is not a word about Democrats, nor is there a word that would denigrate of demean the people who where killed on 9/11 or their families.

It was political statement as to the REAL difference about how conservatives, of which, some conservatives are most definitely Democrats, and as some Republicans voters are as well moderate to Liberal minded. IT WAS ABOUT how those variant groups, Liberals and Conservatives, not parties, responded on how to deal with the ATTACKERS AFTER THE DEADLY EVENT HAD OCCURRED.

MILD STUFF COMPARED TO WHAT LIBERAL SAY ABOUT CONSERVATIVE IN A QUANTUM WAY!!!

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In reports on the most recent controversial remarks by deputy White House chief of staff Karl Rove, several media outlets have characterized the outrage over the remarks as coming solely from Democrats, when in fact a nonpartisan group of 9-11 families also strongly condemned the comments.
During a June 22 speech before the New York Conservative Party, Rove stated: "Conservatives saw the savagery of 9-11 and the attacks and prepared for war; liberals saw the savagery of the 9-11 attacks and wanted to prepare indictments and offer therapy and understanding for our attackers."

In response to Rove's comments, Families of September 11 issued a statement that called the comments "divisive," "offensive" and "not welcome":
As families whose relatives were victims of the 9/11 terror attacks, we believe it is an outrage that any Democrat, any Republican, any conservative or any liberal, stakes a "high ground" position based upon the September 11th death and destruction. Doing so assumes that all those who died and their loved ones would agree. In truth, some would and some would not. By definition the conduct is divisive and, because it is intended to be self-serving and politicizes 9/11, it is offensive.


We are calling on Karl Rove to resist his temptations and stop trying to reap political gain in the tragic misfortune of others. His comments are not welcome.

However, only a handful of reports mentioned the Families of September 11 condemnation of Rove's comments, including The Atlanta Journal-Constitution and Knight Ridder Newspapers, while most reports cited only Democrats denouncing the comments.

The Journal-Constitution reported on June 24:
Relatives of 9/11 victims posted a statement on their Families of Sept. 11 Web site saying Rove's statements were "not welcome" and his conduct "divisive and ... offensive." They urged Rove "to resist his temptations and stop trying to reap political gain in the tragic misfortunes of others."

Also on June 24, Knight Ridder reported:
A group of families whose relatives died on Sept. 11 issued a statement condemning the politicization of the tragedy. "We are calling on Karl Rove to resist his temptations and stop trying to reap political gain in the tragic misfortune of others. His comments are not welcome," their statement said.

Also MSNBC By Ron Reagan I believe mentioned beyond that it was the same 25 to 45 internet networks ranting about it.

By contrast, the Associated Press, The Washington Post, The New York Times, and the Los Angeles Times [B]never mentioned the Families of September 11 opposition in their June 24 coverage of Rove's remarks.

Among TV outlets, [U]June 23 reports on ABC's World News Tonight, NBC's Nightly News, CNN's Inside Politics, and Fox News' Special Report with Brit Hume also failed to mention the group; [B]the CBS Evening News did not report on Rove's comments at all.
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http://mediamatters.org/items/200506240004

So was this big news or what?

IS IT BIG or IS IT BIG orIS IT BIG orIS IT BIG or as in reality, IS IT ONLY THIS BIG OF AN ISSUE


OR As I would surmise, yet more of the same that some would minstrel in an ever volume of the overstatement??


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Gop 4 life!
I knew this would cause a spark, no comments from TQ though, weird.
Tuatara
Holy ######, do you ever nit-pick. I got the original story from their site.
http://www.familiesofseptember11.org/default.aspx

Then I saw it on a few more sites. By "finding it everywhere" I meant you can google the key words and it will come up. Not that it was big news. The part about Karl Rove sayng Democrats you must have missed where I outlined the first artcle and then said
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Either Rove said it or Patrick Healy is being dishonest.
Ben-T
QUOTE (Tuatara @ Jun 23 2005, 10:45 AM)
Actually, if Karl Rove said it, nothing cuold be farther from the truth. I have many links to all the lies and dishonest tactics by Karl  Rove, so be careful with your response. This man is pure evil.
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Karl Rove said it, thus it must be a lie!
ustrader
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