And 60% are Christians.
Doctors embrace religion, study shows
June 23, 2005
From combined dispatches
CHICAGO -- Most doctors believe in God and an afterlife, according to a study released yesterday that contradicts earlier research showing people tend to become less religious as education and income levels rise.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/national/20...04234-1644r.htm
Full Version: Science and medicine not liberal after all
The implication being that Xian is better.
Typical!
Typical!
Not only that, but the same is true with astromoners as well. Most of the Science professions are like that. Only amongst the "so called" liberal Arts" elites, do you find the highest percentage of Kooks and atheists.
TQ would fit right in there. Right TQ?
TQ would fit right in there. Right TQ?
John L, I have always worked in a technical field so I don't know what you are talking about. Many engineers are atheists.
Albert Einstein was known to say that when he contemplated the human eye he had to believe in god.
And when I eyeball a gorgeous, poised, elegant thai female I just have to believe in god as well.
And when I eyeball a gorgeous, poised, elegant thai female I just have to believe in god as well.
QUOTE (Thaiquila @ Jun 23 2005, 09:01 PM)
John L, I have always worked in a technical field so I don't know what you are talking about. Many engineers are atheists.
Yes and remember the Debutant who, when she discovered that Nixon had been reelected, stated, " How could he have been elected? Nobody I know voted for him". Sound familiar TQ?
JohnL you aren't suggesting TQ might be a "debutant" in disguise are you? 
Indeed, I am still waiting for my "coming out" party.
QUOTE (Thaiquila @ Jun 23 2005, 11:32 AM)
The implication being that Xian is better.
Typical!
Typical!
????? Well, I got the implication that 60% of the Doctors are Christian, 16% follow other monotheist religons and 24% dont believe in God. Christians are more numerous, I didnt pick up on the "better" "implication". MARK
QUOTE (dixon76710 @ Jun 24 2005, 01:27 AM)
????? Well, I got the implication that 60% of the Doctors are Christian, 16% follow other monotheist religons and 24% dont believe in God. Christians are more numerous, I didnt pick up on the "better" "implication". MARK
Then you are quite dense at reading the context of Gop's blatherings, Sir.
QUOTE (Thaiquila @ Jun 23 2005, 08:21 PM)
Then you are quite dense at reading the context of Gop's blatherings, Sir.
???? Hmmmm? his "blatherings" consisted of two sentences "Science and medicine not liberal after all, 76% of Doctors believe in God". and "And 60% are Christians".
Id say your quite dense at reading. High marks for the imagination though. MARK
QUOTE (dixon76710 @ Jun 24 2005, 03:41 AM)
???? Hmmmm? his "blatherings" consisted of two sentences "Science and medicine not liberal after all, 76% of Doctors believe in God". and "And 60% are Christians".
Id say your quite dense at reading. High marks for the imagination though. MARK
Id say your quite dense at reading. High marks for the imagination though. MARK
You are not really that stupid.
The Xian remark was the FIRST remark, thus emphasized as being IMPORTANT.
It is easy to go from there to presume Gop thinks Xians are superior, which we all know he does anyway.
The article doesn't say but I assume the study was of American doctors and scientists.
There was an interesting article in the Herald Tribune on Wednesday about the rise of fundamentalism in the US and the dangers of this to "America's intellectual vitality."
(source: IHT)
The wages of fundamentalism
Peter Watson International Herald Tribune
WEDNESDAY, JUNE 22, 2005
CAMBRIDGE, England For decades, "big science" - indeed any kind of science - has been led by the United States. There are warning signs, however, that American science is losing its edge, and may even have peaked. One reason is that as religious and political fundamentalism tighten their grip, they are beginning to sap America's intellectual vitality.
By contrast, the political turmoil that has broken out on the other side of the Atlantic shows that Europeans grasp how destructive fundamentalism can be.
According to a survey in Physical Review, reported in May 2004, the number of scientific papers published by West European authors had overtaken those by U.S. authors in 2003, whereas in 1983 there were three American authors for every West European. The percentage of patents granted to American scientists has been falling since 1980, from 60.2 percent of the world total to 51.8 percent. In 1989, America trained the same number of science and engineering PhDs as Britain, Germany and France put together; now the United States is 5 percent behind. The number of citations in science journals, hitherto led by American scientists, is now led by Europeans.
As battles have raged in Kansas and elsewhere in America over evolution and Genesis, reputable biologists have spoken up in favor of Darwin's theories, but who knows how many students have already been turned off biology by these skirmishes?
As a result of fundamentalist opposition, America is already falling behind in cloning and stem cell research, now led by South Korean, Italian and British scientists. In February the New Scientist reported a survey in which fully half the scientists working for the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service said they had been pushed to alter or withdraw scientific findings for political reasons.
Since the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks, the number of Chinese and Indians traveling to America to study has fallen by more than 50 per cent - they are going to Europe instead. There are now as many Asian PhDs being produced as U.S. ones, more and more of them familiar with Europe.
Yet history shows that fundamentalism leads only to stagnation and disaster.
Look back at the four great eras of fundamentalism in world history. Under the influence of the Israelite zealots in the centuries before Christ, ancient Israel dropped behind the surrounding civilizations both politically and materially, and provoked the Romans, who annihilated them, sparking a diaspora which lasted 2,000 years. Christianity in the Roman Empire led to half a millennium of dark ages, ending only with the rediscovery of Aristotle in the 12th century. Ascetic Buddhist fundamentalism in China from the fourth century to the ninth century resulted in 4,600 monasteries being destroyed, before the Song renaissance released the finest flowering of Chinese civilization. And Islamic fundamentalism beginning in Baghdad around 1067 led to a millennium of backwardness, which still afflicts the Islamic world.
By contrast, the very history of modern Europe - the scientific revolution, the Enlightenment, the modernist battles of the 19th century - may be characterized as the victory of rationalism and science over religious dogmatism. Europe is the birthplace of science. It was in the universities of Europe, in the 12th and 13th centuries, that the experiment was conceived and the testing of hypotheses became a rival form of authority to that of the church, creating the accuracy, efficiency and prosperity on which the modern world is founded.
Whatever Europe is, it is emphatically open-minded, especially about science, the most important activity yet invented.
There is no better illustration of this than a spectacular experiment reported in a recent issue of Nature, the science weekly. A team of 17 cosmologists led by Carlos Frenk, of the University of Durham in Britain, announced they had built a computer model of the universe. After 20 years preparation, the team took over a supercomputer in Germany for an entire month, shutting down large parts of German science, performed 500,000,000,000,000,000 calculations and proved beyond reasonable doubt that Einstein was right, that the universe is expanding, and dark matter a reality.
The same week that Frenk and his team announced their results, French and Dutch voters rejected the European constitution. Among the motives for the "no" vote there was an implicit rejection of the fundamentalist threat that some see in Turkey.
Turkey has tried to rid itself of fundamentalist Islam twice - and failed twice. In the 16th century, the Turks built observatories, translated European scientific texts and sent embassies abroad to study medicine and technology. But these advances never matured since their libraries were forbidden to stock books "filled with lies" (history, astronomy, philosophy). In the 19th century Shariah law was curtailed, the Koran reinterpreted to fit with parliamentary democracy and books on chemistry and biology translated. Again it didn't last.
Above everything else, Europe is not fundamentalist. This is why, in their hearts, many Europeans have misgivings about Turkey's entry into the EU. Europe has no shortage of problems of its own making, and has no need to import fundamentalism of any variety.
(Peter Watson's book ''Ideas: A History From Fire to Freud'' has just been published in Britain. It will appear in the United States in September.)
There was an interesting article in the Herald Tribune on Wednesday about the rise of fundamentalism in the US and the dangers of this to "America's intellectual vitality."
(source: IHT)
The wages of fundamentalism
Peter Watson International Herald Tribune
WEDNESDAY, JUNE 22, 2005
CAMBRIDGE, England For decades, "big science" - indeed any kind of science - has been led by the United States. There are warning signs, however, that American science is losing its edge, and may even have peaked. One reason is that as religious and political fundamentalism tighten their grip, they are beginning to sap America's intellectual vitality.
By contrast, the political turmoil that has broken out on the other side of the Atlantic shows that Europeans grasp how destructive fundamentalism can be.
According to a survey in Physical Review, reported in May 2004, the number of scientific papers published by West European authors had overtaken those by U.S. authors in 2003, whereas in 1983 there were three American authors for every West European. The percentage of patents granted to American scientists has been falling since 1980, from 60.2 percent of the world total to 51.8 percent. In 1989, America trained the same number of science and engineering PhDs as Britain, Germany and France put together; now the United States is 5 percent behind. The number of citations in science journals, hitherto led by American scientists, is now led by Europeans.
As battles have raged in Kansas and elsewhere in America over evolution and Genesis, reputable biologists have spoken up in favor of Darwin's theories, but who knows how many students have already been turned off biology by these skirmishes?
As a result of fundamentalist opposition, America is already falling behind in cloning and stem cell research, now led by South Korean, Italian and British scientists. In February the New Scientist reported a survey in which fully half the scientists working for the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service said they had been pushed to alter or withdraw scientific findings for political reasons.
Since the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks, the number of Chinese and Indians traveling to America to study has fallen by more than 50 per cent - they are going to Europe instead. There are now as many Asian PhDs being produced as U.S. ones, more and more of them familiar with Europe.
Yet history shows that fundamentalism leads only to stagnation and disaster.
Look back at the four great eras of fundamentalism in world history. Under the influence of the Israelite zealots in the centuries before Christ, ancient Israel dropped behind the surrounding civilizations both politically and materially, and provoked the Romans, who annihilated them, sparking a diaspora which lasted 2,000 years. Christianity in the Roman Empire led to half a millennium of dark ages, ending only with the rediscovery of Aristotle in the 12th century. Ascetic Buddhist fundamentalism in China from the fourth century to the ninth century resulted in 4,600 monasteries being destroyed, before the Song renaissance released the finest flowering of Chinese civilization. And Islamic fundamentalism beginning in Baghdad around 1067 led to a millennium of backwardness, which still afflicts the Islamic world.
By contrast, the very history of modern Europe - the scientific revolution, the Enlightenment, the modernist battles of the 19th century - may be characterized as the victory of rationalism and science over religious dogmatism. Europe is the birthplace of science. It was in the universities of Europe, in the 12th and 13th centuries, that the experiment was conceived and the testing of hypotheses became a rival form of authority to that of the church, creating the accuracy, efficiency and prosperity on which the modern world is founded.
Whatever Europe is, it is emphatically open-minded, especially about science, the most important activity yet invented.
There is no better illustration of this than a spectacular experiment reported in a recent issue of Nature, the science weekly. A team of 17 cosmologists led by Carlos Frenk, of the University of Durham in Britain, announced they had built a computer model of the universe. After 20 years preparation, the team took over a supercomputer in Germany for an entire month, shutting down large parts of German science, performed 500,000,000,000,000,000 calculations and proved beyond reasonable doubt that Einstein was right, that the universe is expanding, and dark matter a reality.
The same week that Frenk and his team announced their results, French and Dutch voters rejected the European constitution. Among the motives for the "no" vote there was an implicit rejection of the fundamentalist threat that some see in Turkey.
Turkey has tried to rid itself of fundamentalist Islam twice - and failed twice. In the 16th century, the Turks built observatories, translated European scientific texts and sent embassies abroad to study medicine and technology. But these advances never matured since their libraries were forbidden to stock books "filled with lies" (history, astronomy, philosophy). In the 19th century Shariah law was curtailed, the Koran reinterpreted to fit with parliamentary democracy and books on chemistry and biology translated. Again it didn't last.
Above everything else, Europe is not fundamentalist. This is why, in their hearts, many Europeans have misgivings about Turkey's entry into the EU. Europe has no shortage of problems of its own making, and has no need to import fundamentalism of any variety.
(Peter Watson's book ''Ideas: A History From Fire to Freud'' has just been published in Britain. It will appear in the United States in September.)
Stupid article. Doesnt present ANY evidence to support its assertion that political fundamentalism has tighten their grip. In fact-
"population that can be classified as Christian has declined from 86% in 1990 to 77% in 2001"
http://www.religioustolerance.org/chr_prac2.htm
What might be termed political Christianity seemed to peak during the Reagan years and has declined ever since. Using the Authors simplistic reasoning one could conclude that the decline in Fundamentalism has lead to the decline of science in the US. MARK
"population that can be classified as Christian has declined from 86% in 1990 to 77% in 2001"
http://www.religioustolerance.org/chr_prac2.htm
What might be termed political Christianity seemed to peak during the Reagan years and has declined ever since. Using the Authors simplistic reasoning one could conclude that the decline in Fundamentalism has lead to the decline of science in the US. MARK
QUOTE (Monsieur Le Tonk @ Jun 23 2005, 10:50 PM)
The article doesn't say but I assume the study was of American doctors and scientists.
There was an interesting article in the Herald Tribune on Wednesday about the rise of fundamentalism in the US and the dangers of this to "America's intellectual vitality."
[WEDNESDAY, JUNE 22, 2005[/b]
CAMBRIDGE, England For decades, "big science" - indeed any kind of science - has been led by the United States. There are warning signs, however, that American science is losing its edge, and may even have peaked. One reason is that as religious and political fundamentalism tighten their grip, they are beginning to sap America's intellectual vitality.
There was an interesting article in the Herald Tribune on Wednesday about the rise of fundamentalism in the US and the dangers of this to "America's intellectual vitality."
[WEDNESDAY, JUNE 22, 2005[/b]
CAMBRIDGE, England For decades, "big science" - indeed any kind of science - has been led by the United States. There are warning signs, however, that American science is losing its edge, and may even have peaked. One reason is that as religious and political fundamentalism tighten their grip, they are beginning to sap America's intellectual vitality.
QUOTE (Thaiquila @ Jun 24 2005, 01:17 AM)
Indeed, I am still waiting for my "coming out" party.
Someone's late!
QUOTE (dixon76710 @ Jun 24 2005, 03:41 AM)
???? Hmmmm? his "blatherings" consisted of two sentences "Science and medicine not liberal after all, 76% of Doctors believe in God". and "And 60% are Christians".
Id say your quite dense at reading. High marks for the imagination though. MARK
Id say your quite dense at reading. High marks for the imagination though. MARK
No, for once, he's right. Just like any Budhist, Hindu, Muslim, Jew, or Satanist, I believe my religion is right and superior. That's only natural.
I think they're wrong yes, but I do NOT look down on them. I treat followers of other religions with respect.
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