TEHRAN, 29 June (IRIN) - An Iranian court has sentenced a man to have his eyes surgically gouged out for a crime he committed 12 years ago, according to a report in the Iranian daily newspaper Etemaad......

The court judged the crime on 'Qesas', a Quranic term for strictly defined penalties where the judge cannot use his discretion. In this case, it was literally "an eye for an eye". The paper reported that initially the sentence passed was to spray acid on Vahid's eyes but Vahid's lawyers appealed arguing the rest of his face could also be damaged. The sentence was then commuted so that Vahid would have his eyes surgically gouged out.
Vahid's lawyer is seeking clemency for his client although Vahid has been asked to pay blood money of about US $330,000 after payment of which he would escape punishment. The newspaper reported that Vahid does not have the money.
http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/I...84f48d916ca.htm

That wacky Shariah law. MARK

What a wonderful example of our stone-age like tendencies...

The US has the DEATH PENALTY.
So who are we to criticize Iran?
On what moral authority exactly?
(Bent, not directed at you.)

Well, we don't stone adulteresses either...

Yes because humanely anthetizing a man deemed to be too dangerous to be allowed to live is the same as first attempting to pour acid on a man's face, and then finally settling on surgical removal of his eyeballs.

As for TQ I don't care if you don't want me to weigh in on the issue, I have just as much of a right to discuss my ideas here if you do. You don't own this forums, and as such you have no power to stop me from expressing my point of view. As much as you would like to suppress all viewpoints that dissent from your own, it isn't happening here.

It's odd that this should come up. My best friend in Texas is a lawyer who met an Iranian judge in the USA. The Iranian told how he returned to Iran with a law degree from the USA, and got a job as a judge in a criminal court. On his first day of judging cases, he found an Iranian man guilty of theft. They looked in the Koran (or a book of law) which called for the hand to be chopped off. So, the judge ordered the hand cut off. In only a few minutes the chief judge came rushing in to explain that they didn't really do those things.

Maybe they do do such doodoo things; I don't know.

Jesus said that there was a better, Christian alternative to simple "eye for an eye" justice. In the time of Moses, such law was an improvement over the prior 'justice.' Also, Jesus said it would be better to enter into the kingdom of heaven with only one eye, than to enter 'hellfire' with two eyes.

Cutting of an arm is rather harsh.
Better to double the man's taxes, that would be fair.

Are we attempting to establish moral standards here?
What are your qualifications for said task?

Well, er, I have a mail order doctor of divinity I got when I was 15 and I have a bartending certificate from Harvard.

Well i guess you get the job.
I don't think the pay is too great though!

I wonder when the US will attack them ?

that will be a good start for WW3, what do you recon?

Actually, I reckon the US will not attack Iran.
Why?
Because they would prove a much harder nut to crack than Iraq and the US is already overextended.
It doesn't pass the Grenada test.

Most likely it would prove a much easier nut to crack, but we don't currently have a reason to. The US is in no way overextended to.

TQ I do not know if you have me on your ignore list or not, but if you really wanna continue with the "LALALALA I CAN'T HEAR YOU!" approach to political debate you might want to turn it on. Just because you won't answer, however, doesn't mean I won't have any less fun shredding your child like view of the world.

Welcome to the Bear Pit President

I "recon" it's bad enough for these homicide bombers to be equipped with C4. What do you "recon" would happen if they were equipped with nukes?

Can't wait, I know I'm really bad boy, but I recon those Yankees are crazy enough to do it... even though I don't think it would be about any nukes... it s just fun for them, that what it seems like...

Are you really that naive?????? We will not allow rabid muslim fanatics to develop the bomb. We have the ability to destrory all their nuke and conventional weapons facilities without putting one boot on the ground. And that's the way it will happen. Sooner rather then later.

I give Israel my bet. They didn't allow Saddam's and they dammn well won't allow the Iranians to have them.

The Israelis are rather busy at the moment. I don't think so.

r u havin a laugh? who gives u the right 2 u 2 tell whos gonna have what?
well if u do that b ready for the another great war... people can u not use ur brains 4 once...

the previous post was meant for Nomad...

Never ever underestimate that tiny nation....

I don't but word on the street is that if there is going to be an attack on Iran, it will be the US attacking, not Israel.

What, in Thailand? Come now, while its the obvious and logical choice, it most likely won't be us.

Since Jordan has made peace with Israel and since joined us as an ally, adding to the fact that we are in Iraq, gives the Israelis an easy path to Iran.

The Israelis refused to allow another muslim state such as Iraq have nukes, what makes you think they will allow an even more radical islamic state have them? The Israelis are the ones with much to lose over there in this case, and I do not think they will take their chances in letting these people have them. Isn't the destruction of Israel a stated objective of Iran anyways?

Time will tell but I have heard the Israelis don't want to do this, they do want it to happen, but they want America to do it.
I know Israel has done such things in the past, but times change, and the middle east is different, and Isreal has their reasons for not wanting to do this.

Reasons. Like what?

I agree. Israel, aka the Jewish lobby, wants the US to do the fighting and the dieing. This goes together with my premice that the US would not be in Iraq were it not for Israel, aka the Jewish lobby, aka American Judiaism. Perhaps TQ learned something at the sinagogue before he left the US which he is not sharing.

Viagra, I don't agree that Israel has much to do with bush's crazy decision to attack Iraq.
I haven't been in a synagogue in over 35 years.
Been reading the "Elders of Zion" again?
I have a question for you. How did it happen that you became such an anti-semite?

Simple observation. Things do not happen in a vacuum. There always is a driving force, and Israel is a driving force by its very existance. When the thought of a Jewish state was dreamed up, I am sure the dreamers did not take all this into account. Now that it exists, its continued existance is dependant on the US, unfortunately to the US. I am not antisemite, I am proAmerica. I think that being proJewish (Israel), and proAmerica just might be incompatable. Your previous statement that Israel wants Iran's nuclear program removed BY the US is proof that YOU are in conflict. You are proAmerica, antiwar, proJewish, ARE Jewish, proIsrael security, against US attacking Iran (I think), an expatriot. Hell, I don't know how you sail your ship. All you cling to is continued antiBush rants. He is just a lacky of the Jewish lobby, and the circle is closed.

I think you are a nutcase.
Using the Jews as a convenient scapegoat is a sad pattern in history; you should have learned that lesson by now.
You spell synagogue ... sinagogue. That is a slur.
You think everything is a Jewish plot. Clear, classic anti semitism.
Israel would not exist if it wasn't for Hitler.

Possibly, but Israel was planned well before Hitler. Nutcase? Don't think so. One of OBL's rants is the Palestinian problem and the US presence in the Saudi Arabia. We got out of Saudi Arabia, but Israel is another problem. Israel is the hot potato that Europe does not want to touch. It is half way around the world, and yet it is OUR problem. Sorry, the US would be better off today if there were NO State of Israel, IMO.

BTW, I love how when a liberal confronts logic, they revert to the tactic of demonization. This only sounds like moral and intellectual bankrupcy. In the movie the Kingdom of Heaven you get a feeling about what the Moslems think of Jerusalem. Saladin is asked what is so important about it, he replies NOTHING, and EVERYTHING. So there you have it. If the US is the secular country I presume you would applaud, then why the interest in defending it (Israel)?

It is a pattern of history, partly because they were involved in making it so. Fact, when Hitler was wounded and went back to Germany he saw obviously Jewish people who were not part of a war effort. He was a Germany first sort of guy, even though part Jewish, he made war on the Jews when in power. The typical Jew and German were not on the same page because the Jews of that era embrassed their uniqueness.

It is not. I am a bad speller.

You are the nutcase to think that there is not a major Jewish influence to American policy and world events.

You are outing yourself quite effectively.
Rationalizing Hitler.
What next from you?
I think we have nothing more to say to each other, but I think it should be made clear to others what you are.

I have always disagreed with Thaiquila and supported Ft. Niagara, but I have to admit that Thaiquila seems to be batting 1,000 here.

Taking out Irans' nukes will PREVENT another great war you fool. Or perhaps you want nukes in the hands of those that chant "Death to America".

BTW This is a forum, not a chat room. So drop the shortand.

Israel hasn't taken out Iran's nuclear capability because the US has asked them not to.
Israelis are quite willing to fight and die to keep their tiny bit of land.

It is not fully clear whether Iran actually has a nuke capability but they are making noises like they do, and being treated like they do.

That said, if they do, the range of the missiles would also include Turkey and Europe.

Why is it only Israel's responsibility to attack Iran?

It seems to me that yes Israel is a strongly allied with the US and is an important military factor in the middle east, it is very much the business of America and Europe to deal with this.

To clarify one thing: I am not saying that to criticize the policies of the Israeli government or the relationship between America and Israel makes a person anti semitic. If you paid attention, you will see that a very large percentage of American Jews are also critical of Israel. I personally think a Zionist state turned out to be more trouble than it is worth, but it happened because of Hitler, and now that it exists the world needs to deal with it, and also Israel needs to deal with the Palestinians.

Good point TQ. Any attack on Iran by Israel or the US will send the muslim fanatics into a rage including the Palistinians. However these rabid pigs can be dealt with. Iran must not get the Bomb.


Geeze. Im actually agreeing with TQ!

Iran is not a US target, it is Israeli, they play the music and you naive Americans dance on it... Iraq was as well Israeli target... look what happend, but with Iran it will be worse...

It's all so fair, isn't it? The USA has thousands of nuclear bombs, Israel still has quite a few, and so far as we know, Iran has none (yet). Iran's not being allowed to join the party, because they might actually USE the bomb, when in fact the only country that ever used nuclear weapons was........you know...yes, that country...the USA.

Can we assume that if Iran sent nuclear weapons to any country, Israel would retaliate with almost their entire nuclear arsenal against Iran? It's back to MAD - Mutually Assured Destruction.

Being opposed to Judaism is not identical to opposing Zionism. Zionism is not identical to Judaism. There are rabbis in Israel who oppose the damage that settlements have done in Palestine. They even have a group, Rabbis for Peace. There are practicing Jewish soldiers in the army of Israel, called 'refuseniks,' who are willing to defend Israel proper, but they conscientiously refuse to serve in the occupied territories or in Palestine.

In other words it is America's and Europe's business to PROTECT Israel, except that Europe wants no part of it.


Huh. You seemed to play the antisemetic card when I suggest that support for Israel is not is the US's best interest. Every time Israel uses an M1 tank or Apache helecopter, the US is blamed for GIVING it to them. I certainly can understand why since these weapons are force multipliers.


Oh Really?

I think I said something similar about Israel being more trouble than it is worth. Zionism has its foundation prior to 1900. Hitler only accelerated the process. And the part about the world needs to deal with it LOL. Americans have died over there dealing with it, that is the problem.

One thing I am not is a homosexual.

Georgie, I think it is hypocritical to hear TQ rant, and rant against Bush and Iraq, while his beloved Israel shares more than a little blame that we are there. Usually, it is those who are doing the most ranting who are the biggest hypocrits. Did you see TQ's 'word on the street' statement. Doesn't that sound like the US is Israel's puppet? Out of the mouths....

Congratulation!
You like pussy!
You want a medal?

I presume your avatar IS your picture. I am sorry about your disability. It must be difficult to appreciate cock OR pussy with a body like that.

If you say so, ever so superior non-Jewish, heterosexual man sir.
I sure am glad I am not you.

Thanks. Swish.....

Anti gay, anti semitic, what about blacks, Asians, and Latinos?

I love gays, Jews, Blacks, Asians, and Hispanics. It is typical retorical BS to paint the other with the ANTI brush to obtain the retorical high ground. It is really a mindless tactic because it allows YOU to ignore the issue. When the coast is clear, continue and rant. The issue, unless you forgot is Europe wants nothing to do with Israel, and Israel is a loose gun. Israel has NO strategic interest to the US. The US is damaged by its association with Israel. I support the US, and I am tired to people like YOU wiping their A S S with the flag with some sort of moral superiority when it is your beloved Israel's fault MY country is being damaged. Hitler was not America's fault. YOU are the ANTI: antiAmerican.

You said yourself that Israel is more trouble than it is worth. All the Jews should go back to where they came from, and leave Palestine to the Palestinians.

I notice you changed your avatar from your true picture, unless you are a Jewish asian boy.
Swish....

Feel better now? Swish. How quaint.
Can't you come up with a more au courant slur?

Yes, much better thanks.