Sorry to hear that (that you haven't had a holiday). Maybe we'll get to see some fotos after your return, would add a lighter note to the forum and make it more personalised!

This gives me an idea for a new thread.

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White Boy?...

You racist scumbag....

J' aime les tetes fromages.

PS Bush- "I like the cheese heads."

That is a racist remark. See that it doesn't happen again.

mandl

Let's cut stroll a little slack. He often sticks his foot in his mouth, but I am starting to suspect it is because he is a German with excellent English skills, so he comes off as a native speaker of English, but often doesn't realize the full gravity of his remarks.
I have a German friend in Chiang Mai who has a simular problem.
Anyway, stroll, please cut out the racist remarks and we will all get along much better.

You are a disgrace to England! How could you make a comment like that without ever going ?
I was there for two years, it just like any other capitalist country, smog, rudeness, goodness, smog, Mexican food, good people, bad people, smog, anger, beggars etc etc. The same as all the others but with more arrogance and fan fair.

I liked my time there, but Never want to go back.

to the brit-loving americans on this forum... you are enlightened .
As for french hating americans.. i doubt it... i think you mistake hate, in arrogance, for scorn.

And why not?? for it is true.. american culture does not exist. In it's place is the dirtiest, scammed, frivolous, materialistic society that ever existed. I can't say EXACTLY what caused this, but let me tell you this. We americans.. i dont know why we are proud. About the only good things i can say about us are that we produce good music, good literature, and a few good minds. Other than that, our culture needs a serious kick in the #####. The french have every reason to scorn/ pity us. They are not arrogant, merely dignified.. but the Brits still , almost stubornly resent the french. The reason for this is most likely because of the french throne.. and how england claimed it so many years ago
If the brits and the french and the germans could just forget the wars they used to fight and unite, europe would be a better place...

Imperator

P.s.... spain's part of europe??? ehehheeh.. i didnt believe all those maps. ... they're far to quiet if you ask me

oh yeah and gideon UK.. you are a disgrace.. england has a far greater quality of life. this coming from the mouth of an american who has been born and bred here. STAY ON THAT SIDE OF THE ATLANTIC.

[quote=Pauly Walnuts,Jul 2 2004, 12:59 PM] [quote=stroll,Jul 2 2004, 06:11 AM] You've been watching too many Disney films, white boy!

A holiday in France would do wonders for your chalky complexion. [/quote]
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White Boy?...

You racist scumbag.... [/quote]
Dont you guy's know! Waldo Paulnuts here is actually a negro!

So did you have a good orgasm with that self-flagellation, there? It's all well and good to be critical of your country, but critical does not mean degrade, insult, depricate, abuse, slur, smear, stain, slight, disrespect.

crit·i·cal ( P ) Pronunciation Key (krt-kl)
adj.
Inclined to judge severely and find fault.
Characterized by careful, exact evaluation and judgment: a critical reading.
Of, relating to, or characteristic of critics or criticism: critical acclaim; a critical analysis of Melville's writings.
Forming or having the nature of a turning point; crucial or decisive: a critical point in the campaign.


Are you trying to win brownie points with the "scornful" europeans? Are you one of those people who think the ultimate goal of your existence is to make sure as many people as possible like you? Do you feel better now? I wonder with all the disdain you have for your homeland, that you remain here? It certainly shouldn't be too difficult to sell off everything you own and go to a country that is more dignified and thus more to your liking. Why would you remain and suffer so? Whenever I am in a situation not to my liking I extricate myself from it as soon as possible. So it makes no sense to me people who set themselves as martyrs. You don't even seem to have a cause, so what's the point?

When I talked about America bieng the best country in the world, I was basing it on studies I have read, economic data and military strength. I also love capitalism and believe in the free market, so I can only assume that I will love America when I go next year.

I also love the amount of Patriotism most Americans have. It is truly virtuous, and It is wonderful to see so many different people uniting under one flag and one set of principles... GOD BLESS AMERICA!

sorry to burst your bubble, but no. lmfao... did you use patriotism and american in the same sentence??? although some of us may be blessed with that virtue, the only loyalty the average american that i know holds is to money, his cell phone, or something equally unworthy. This is part of the reason why i do not believe this country to be the greatest in the world.. because it's own citizens do not realize it's potential, and take it for granted.


Cleo, for goodness sake. Take a look around you. I was being mild when i made those statements. Obviously, i could care less who likes me and who doesnt. I admire european culture and civilization as i never will our own. I don't need any brownie points. What i want is a world power that isnt so infinetely convinced that it's perfect. Perhaps, as a member of an older generation, you aren't as aware of the corruption that ravages this country. I can predict now that, unless something is done quickly, my peers, the generation that will soon emerge to govern this country, will be the type of people concerned only with their own interests, with the occasional exception. Believe me, it is by no wish of my own that i remain in this country, but while i am here i will do what i can to improve it. I do disdain it, i suppose, but it's the values i disdain.

"So did you have a good orgasm with that self-flagellation, there? It's all well and good to be critical of your country, but critical does not mean degrade, insult, depricate, abuse, slur, smear, stain, slight, disrespect."

Well, to be honest, i was being blunt. I won't just sit there and try to be all politically correct. And if that offends you, then don't cry about it to me by telling me that i'm degrading and disrespecting my own country. I have seen worse countries than this, and better, as far as culture goes. I was merely lamenting .. we have some of the greatest technology and a vast abundance of resources, so why is our culture so disgraceful?? Please, tell me what is so great about our culture, about our country.. because i can see nothing.

Imperator

Because you are young I will excuse you your silliness, but let me just say that you aren't the first teenager to think he knows all there is to know. If I had known that you were only 15 I certainly wouldn't have used the words I did, but I still hold to everthing I said.



Yea that early onset of Alzheimer's has really done me in.


That is very sad, because while America is not perfect there are many wonderful things about our culture, about our people, about our country.
All the time I hear about people in this country helping those that are less fortunate than us.
Read this little girl's story for a wonderful example that reaffirmed my faith in the overall goodness of man.

http://www.grossmanmed.com/zubaida.htm

Our country gives more foreign aid than any other nation, even the despised Bush proposed 1 billion dollars to help the fight against AIDS in Africa.

We do more for the environment than many other countries.

Although this is a majority-rule democracy, even minorities in this country have a loud voice, and while they don't always get their way, they are not ignored, and concessions are always being made.

I love America. I love the big, loud, boisterous people of America. I love the multiculturalism of America. I love that within this country with "some of the greatest technology" we still have people riding around in horses and buggies, who don't use electricity, and that they can choose to do so.

I love that our schools are widening their horizons, and encouraging bilingual children to retain their primary language and stopping the forced assimilation. I love that we have one of the best education systems in the world and please don't let the Republicans and Democrats tell you otherwise.

I love that I can choose everyday what I want to say, what I want to think, what I want to do, what I want to feel, and that everyday I can change my mind and do something else.

I love the stupid humour, I love the pop culture, I love the menagerie of landscapes. Within our country we have arctic tundra, tropical islands, mountains, deserts, temperate forests, 2 coastlines worth of beachs.

I love the rednecks, the hillbillies and the southern belles. I love the high and low classes. I love New York City and I love New Wilmington PA. I love the Hispanics, the African Americans, the Asians, the Arabs, the Europeans, that call this country home and enrich it everyday.

I love the Jews, the Christians, the Muslims, the Buddhists, the Hindus, the Hari Krishnas, the agnostics, the atheists, who practice whatever religion they choose. I love that they have the freedom to do so without any governmental restrictions.

I love that for all the hunger and pain and suffering in this country, that there are thousands upon thousands of people who take it upon themselves to help them. Whether it be through charity or profession, they are there, and most do it at their own expense.

If all you look for is vileness, corruption, superficiality, that's all you will find, but you are doing the proverbial cutting your nose off to spite your face.

If you think there is nothing great about this country because it is not a duplicate of your experiences abroad, it shows your closemindedness and unwillingness to accept the inherent beauty in difference.

I have faith age and experience will wisen you, but that is another thing I love about our country, our all-knowing, grow up too fast teenagers.

That is a most presumptous statement. So, I will challenge you to show all of us, backed up with substantial/accurate links showing another country that is less corrupt than where you live.

The fact that you are so young can be overlookes, and wishing to learn as much about America's past is a noble goal. But while you are doing so, think about how we in the USA tend to deal with corruption. Perhaps our open society allows for us to see more corruption than that of a closed society. Perhaps our society is able to access the truth more clearly.

Let's take this example to make my point. If you pay close attention to the news, you will see constant examples of people who abuse children, or murder young girls. In fact a serial murderer is in the news now. Based upon the constant reporting of these terrible evens, one would be inclined to believe that crime is worse today than 100 years ago.

But this is not really true. It is just that 100 years ago you did not have access to events like today. Children were regularly abused, but no one was able to report it. Same thing with serial killers. 100 years ago, not only was the news less accessible, but when a serial killer was caught, he was then swiftly tried, convicted, and then given the full force of the law. In a expeditious manner!

So, does this help you any?

Cleo, that link was so refreshing! I makes me proud to be an American. And you know what? Citizens of this country do this on a constant and recurring basis.

Bless You!!

Maybe it is time to open a new topic, 'What I love about the US', for example, honestly, there has been so much critisism here, this would be a good one to cheer everybody up.

This thread is about 'Why the French hate Americans', rather presumptious in the title already, and the only Frenchman posting has fled from commenting further, or driven away by the hostility, perhaps.

cleo cleo cleo.. when did i say i knew everything??


yes yes, those examples you gave are wonderful... great things. However, much of that is not unique to our culture. And, these "thousands" that are helping are the exception out of 350 million americans.



And why is this.. say what you want cleo.. let my age not restrict it.




grow up too fast teenagers, eh?? tell me, friend... who was the last teenager you knew well??

you see, i constantly come in contact with teenagers.. as i happen to be one myself. At the mall, at parties.. blah blah blah.. and somehow.. grow up to fast .. that really doesnt fit .



i apologize for being inaccurate, for when i wrote this, i was being overzealous.
Although there are many fine points to our society, it is the way that i see the young mind, my peers, ... that worries, and yes, disgusts me.
For although one may say it is due to immaturity, or naivity, or blame it on adolescence and all the awkwardness of that phase, what i see in my peers troubles me. The minds of my fellows are disturbingly devoted to small causes, to the trivial troubles of life, and it has become increasinly common that even among my own "friends" that people stop caring (and when i say caring i mean even noticing) the many problems of this world. I have seen starving people lining the streets of countries far away, painfully haggard faces staring at our rental car as we drive by. There must be millions of them, millions! Something must be done the rapidly decreasing resources, the exploding population.. and then when i get back to the one country that has the power yank the world from its destructive path.. all i see is a ghost of the required effort..



no.. thats not how i meant it. What i meant by that was perhaps your peers showed less signs of the above mentioned sickness, and therefore you were less exposed to it.

well, thats about all i can think of to explain my views. Oh, and happy fourth of july to you



Imperator

P.s.




my friend, there is no beauty without difference. This, i am fully aware of.

I thought that profanities weren't allowed. Mandl, what are you doing ?
The only poster who is allowed to insult me is Georgie-Porgie.
Pauly Nuts needs a strong warning before the problem grows out of proportion.
By the way, why not rename this thread "Why does Pauly Wallnuts hate the French that much ?" or "Does Pauly Wallnuts need some medication ?".

Apologies to Mandl. Pauly W. Nuts has already been banned from the forum.

adjan jb, Pauly Walnuts really grows on you. I think that someday you will become proud to be insulted by him, but he just got a months unwanted vacation, so it's going to be depressing around here for a while.
Butterfly is back, and worse than the gent.
That should cheer you up.

John please dont attribute quotes to me that i did not say. This belongs to Imperator. Thank you.

yeah really that was kind of weird

Well you shouldn't really focus on the word "thousands", because I do not have nor did I feel it necessary to look up a statistic on the number of social workers, the number charitable contributions, the number of volunterers and activists,etc at work every day in this country. It was an arbitrary choice.



Because you are only 15, because I am more than twice your age, and as an educator I have a certain expectation to behave in an appropriate manner with regards to my communication and actions with young people. It is my legal and moral obligation, even in anonymity.





Actually I have about 15 cousins who are of various teenage years, and yes they do grow up too fast in many regards. They do not have the responibility and ability to think as logically as an adult, as their passions tend to overrule common sense, but they do playact at things better left to adults. And compared to my generation when we were teenagers, that has only increased with today's youth.

And I was a teenager once and at the time I certainly believed I knew more than any adult I came in contact with. Teenagers look at the world through idealized eyes. Because they are still so ruled by emotion they tend to focus over-exhuberently on whatever their current fixation is, be it a boyfriend/girlfriend, a sport, a celebrity, a cause, a hobby - such as yourself with world history and politics- to the exclusion of all else. Not to mention their ego-centric viewpoint and inability to see through the eyes of others, they tend to be zealots.

Ever notice in your perusal of world history and culture that it is teenagers that are concripted into causes and crusades? i.e. Hitler's youth movement, Greenpeace and PETAs campaigning in high schools, Neo-nazis targeting young people? Teenagers are very easily manipulated, because they are ruled with their heart and not with their head.

But this is the charm of adolesence, and I am not stating these things to belittle teenagers. Adolesence is the most tumultuous time in the human condition, and those passions are a necessary part of self-discovery......




....continuing from above, and thus you should cut your peers some slack. Children, by necessity, are selfish and self-centered. The newborn baby does not care that it's parents need to sleep, when he is hungry, wet, uncomfortable, he can not correct the situation, he must make his needs known right then, and will not desist until his mother or father makes him comfortable again. In this country we do not allow our children the ability to take care of themselves until they are 18 years old. Although we expect them to take on more and more responsibility as they age, we do not expect them to take on more than they can handle at any given time. As such our society has encouraged their selfish, and I for one, do not see this as a bad thing, most of the time. I do think there are some things we "allow" children to do too soon such as engaging in sexual activity, but that is another debate.

But my point is that it is ok that every teenager is not as focused on the plight of others as you seem to be. This does not mean they will grow up to be uncaring or bad people, it just means its not important to them right now. They are young, let them be young. They will have to be adults soon enough.



No my peers were just as self-centered and egotistical at that age as are yours. Although I definitely do not agree that it is a sickness, see my above statement.






Then see the beauty in your friends and peers, see the beauty in your country, don't limit it.

The only possible exception here that I can find with this is the presence of so many aging hippy Baby Boomers who are always out front protesting either the WOT, world trade, or the present administration. I'm serious here. Have you looked closely at the pictures and videos in the news? The overwhelming majority of them are in their 40s, or 50s.

But perhaps you are right in essence. They tell me that smoking too much Pot in the early years tends to arrest adult behavior, and stunts mental ability. So in essence, we have a bunch of "old farts" who never grew up.

Kind of reminds me of someone else on this very forum.

Lord almighty I do make too many spelling errors, but as I once read, most highly intelligent people are poor spellers, because their thoughts come so fast they outrun their fingers.

I think I meant to use the phrase "that it is OFTEN teenagers" and of course "conscripted"


And yes I do notice that, but with leaders like Martin Sheen and Susan Sarandon it is not unexpected.

We ought not waste our time wondering why the French hate us or not. The simple way to handle this is to immediately cut off all aid to france in any form and let them take care of themselves.

This time, we don't bail them out when they get invaded. Maybe the UN will help them out next time.

Nous le français ne vous déteste pas les citoyens, l'haine est un mot très fort, et donc est l'amour. Nous détestons votre gouvernement, mais nous aimons les américains et vos façons de freewilled.

I realize the french do not hate the Americans, but they do hate the government, as you say. I am glad you celebrate our type of free-will as well.

However, our government is the representation of America. If the french hate our government at every turn, they in turn hate the American people. It must be worked out, and, hopefully will be.


OR, as you would say KCF:

Je réalise que les Français ne détestent pas les Américains, mais ils détestent le gouvernement, comme vous dites. Je suis heureux vous célèbre hors du type de volontaire aussi bien. Cependant, notre gouvernement est la représentation de l'Amérique. Si la haine française notre gouvernement à chaque tour, ils détestent à leur tour les américains. Elle doit être établie, et, si tout va bien soyez.

I hope you understand my translation.

The only French word I know is......ribbitt!

Oui bien, cela est le problème, c'est pareil comme les gouvernements utilisant l'église comme une protection (si vous nous détestez vous détestez dieu), et tel, c'est la façon nous nous sentons et le canon fait n'importe quoi d'il.

FOCL

grain of sel

To KeepCanadaFree and Mr. McCain,
Please refrain from posting in French. I don't understand a word.
And by the way, I don't like the way you torture my beautiful mother tongue.

You don't have a mother language...You are a ###### of the Normans and the Gauls. Carry on. Charles Martel and Charles the Lion were the last frenchmen.

RESENTMENT- this is why they hate America.

Please ellaborate.

Envy and resentment of America has been present throughout the world, France included. Such a base of opinions is the kindling that sparks of misinformation have quickly ignited into the blaze of America opposition. The seeds of dissent have flourished in France/Germany because the soil was already ripe. It has much more to do with the perceived arrogance and untrustworthiness of America than with dealing with Saddam. A war on Saddam’s government has been twisted to become a rationalization for such ludicrous points of view. One’s perception of America as arrogant and untrustworthy is nothing more than that individual’s vainglorious ambitions.
Does anyone in here truly contend that the world was safer with Saddam in power and that a potential democratic Iraq is a bad idea? Probably not. Where most people see the problem is that the American military has been the instrument of change. What is consistently overlooked is that the US military has enforced more positive change on this planet than any force in recorded history. This is not an abstract claim, world history illustrates this point quite clearly. Europe’s own well being illustrates this point irrefutably.

Actually some French people are arrogant and they are mainly from the big cities, Paris being, well, the worst one.
Once you're out the big cities, they're nice people and would not care less about American or any other nationalities. They live in what is for me one of the "nicest" country on earth and enjoy their life, as I think a lot of American do.
As for the American, they are proud of, well, being American.
Shall we talk about the heritage part,...

You're raving!
France is not a Third World country, we don't get any American aid for sustainable development.
Take a lot in your atlas. You probably meant Bangladeh or Nigeria.

France is a 2nd world country....
French Unemployment 9.6%
revenues: $217 billion not GDP
Military Expenditures $45,238.1 million 2.6% of budget

Here's how a First World Super Power Compares...
US Unemployment 6.2%
revenues: $1.946 trillion not GDP
Military Expenditures $399 billion 3.9% of Budget

LOL we are only a couple hundred years old too
Look at these comparisons considering we also spent 87 billion $ on Iraq...

From the Marshall Plan:
You owe the US $6million (about $700 million modern) from Grants, and $225 million loans (never paid now value $200 Billion with interest). Return it now, I mean you could at least make a payment, since you have money left over from the Oil for Food Theft Program right?

You (FRANCE) ARE a nation of COWARDS. Here is the first 3 articles of your surrender to Germany June 1940:
ARTICLE I.

The French Government directs a cessation of fighting against the German Reich in France as well as in French possessions, colonies, protectorate territories, mandates as well as on the seas.

It [the French Government] directs the immediate laying down of arms of French units already encircled by German troops.
ARTICLE II.

To safeguard the interests of the German Reich, French State territory north and west of the line drawn on the attached map will be occupied by German troops.

As far as the parts to be occupied still are not in control of German troops, this occupation will be carried out immediately after the conclusion of this treaty.
ARTICLE III.

In the occupied parts of France the German Reich exercises all rights of an occupying power The French Government obligates itself to support with every means the regulations resulting from the exercise of these rights and to carry them out with the aid of French administration.

All French authorities and officials of the occupied territory, therefore, are to be promptly informed by the French Government to comply with the regulations of the German military commanders and to cooperate with them in a correct manner.

It is the intention of the German Government to limit the occupation of the west coast after ending hostilities with England to the extent absolutely necessary.

The French Government is permitted to select the seat of its government in unoccupied territory, or, if it wishes, to move to Paris. In this case, the German Government guarantees the French Government and its central authorities every necessary alleviation so that they will be in a position to conduct the administration of unoccupied territory from Paris. Your government drafted it

Again, why exactly do I care what France thinks?

I fully agree with you, Mr. McCain.
Why should we care about what France thinks?
Why should we care about what European think?
Why should we care about what other American States think?
Why should we care about what my neighbor thinks?
At the end, I do not really care about others.
Why should I?
Do they care about me?
No they do not.
And they're probably right,...

Actually, I just don't care what you think.

I'm not that surprised.
Maybe you should start thinking.
And you will understand better what the others think.
And after sometimes, you will start understanding.
And you will start caring.
And you will feel better.
Believe me,...

Okay, I tried it.


I still don't care. Sorry.

Plus, I think your Avatar is weird too.

I like your avatar Bluecat.

I'm sick of the way you feel the need to put every new sentance on a new line.
It is really rather annoying.
Why do you feel the need to do this?
Have you heard of paragrahps and prose?
I do wish you would stop.
Your avater is OK though.

I like your new way of posting, Gideon.
I actually prefer short sentences than long ones (and I am not talking about you in particular but about quite a few people writing in some forums, not necessarily in this one either) written by people who try to convey their confused thoughts in so many words aligned one after each other with 90% of them not adding anything to the message the writer is trying to convey so that when the reader reach the end of the sentence, if he reach it, he does not remember the begginning of it, let alone the point the writer was trying to make except the point that indeed the writer has confused thoughts. If you add a few sentences in the same vein without going to the next line, well,...
But I agree with you, I often exaggerate the other way round.
By the way, do the French really hate the American?

Hey look a self-fulfilling example.

I think you answered the topic of the post. The French hate empirical evidence.

An irony deficit here perchance!

(Gore_Lost @ Aug 8 2004, 11:07 AM)

There is no such "thing" as an ironical deficit. Putting irony on a scale is so, you know...French.
The French hate themselves.