Let's make the question more challenging.
What is the worst government in South East asia?
Depends what you consider worse means:
Myanmar gives 0 freedom to his people.
Indonesia is so corrupted that they do not even know what their people are.
Philippines, they know but they do not care. All the money for a few "privileged" families.
...
I do not even know what country to vote for,...

Is it possible to make an accurate assumption then record your vote without ever having lived/spent time in one of these countries?

In politics, everything is assumption.
The point is can you make other people believe?

Not really...

Perhaps not, but if you have spent any real time in a place you can get a picture.

I voted for Burma for that reason.

OK, finally I voted for the Philippines.
They are the only "true" democracy in the region, most of the people speak english and government after government seems to apply themselves to ruin further the country.
Lee Kuan Yew sayong comes to mind:"If the country is poor and people are not sufficiently educated because poor, democracy is not the best way to achieve development,..."
In the case of Singapore and Malaysia, at least, he was right,...
But for Indonesia, the non democracy theory did not work that well,...

This is a pretty hard one to call.

Reconciling Burma/Myanmar:

Essays on U.S. Relations with Burma

Edited by John H. Badgley

With contributions from Robert H. Taylor,
David I. Steinberg, Helen James, Seng Raw,
Kyaw Yin Hlaing, and Morten B. Pedersen

www.nbr.org

As long as asian people do not flood into Australia to live I will be happy. Asian people should live in asian countries.

What a small world you're living in.

Asian people mostly don't cause any sh1t, work hard, and bring really good food with them. Besides that, the girls are lovely and feminine.
They make property values go UP!
You should HOPE that they flood Australia. They are what makes San Francisco such a civilized place to live.

Georgie-Porgie, this is your best post so far. Congratulations.

What can I say? I like em'!

Asian kids also have the highest GPA's of any minority or, for that matter, statistically higher than white folks in the USA.
Don't forget about Vancouver too, Georgie. Beautiful place full of lovely girls and great food!

So sometimes you and I can agree.
Boon Mee, have I told you that, even when we disagree, I always find you very sympathetic

In other words, Boon Mee is a very nice right-wing nut!

Who votes for drewshocks member name to be changed to pauline hanson?

Aust. does have a problem with Asian gangs, unfortunately it seems it is the kids of immigrants that are forming gangs, apparently there is a war on at the moment between a couple of asian gangs (dragon boys, etc) and an African gang that just popped it's head up.

But, keep the asians in Asia. I love asian people and I do not want to see them go

Nice reply sai_leik!

Australia is a nation of white skinned people who speak ENGLISH.

Let us keep it that way!!!!!!!!!!!

Australia belongs to the Aborigenes not to any white trash.

Sorry to burst yer bubble matey but even though Australia is its own continent it
is part of Asia whether it wants to be or not.

You stole the place Blighty! Right out from under the Dreamtimers. It's their land.

Why do you keep bringing up the gentleman?

Would the majority of people in any asian country like to see their country flooded with white skinned, english speaking Australians?

If I see more than 3 drunken Australians together, I run for cover!

In the nineteenth century the various colonial governments administered their own migration acts. Thus the Queensland, Western Australian and South Australian governments ( the Northern Territory was then part of South Australia) were able to stop northern Australia from being flooded with asian immigrants. This prudent policy was called the WHITE AUSTRALIA POLICY.

Most Australians still support this discriminatory approach to immigration intakes.

Guess what waste of sperm Australia is in Asia. Where do you think the name Australia-sia came from? duh



Yup the only true Australians are the Aborigenes and it's a shame that they have to live with white trash.

Please don't compare that troll with me nitwit. After all most of the white Aus population has criminal or uneducated backgrounds. Not surpising that some of the new gen are throwbacks. I guess someone has to sheer all those sheep though

Australia does not belong to the aborigines. In fact the aborigines were nomadic tribes which did not even cultivate the land. The aborigines were a stone age people.

Just because they didn't form a government does not mean it is not their land. As far as cultivating the land is concerned no your right they didn't they lived on the land and did nothing to spoil it, which is why it's still a lovely country. The fact is though it's more their country than yours. By right of settlement.

How can you sit there and give out all that bull about the BNP & white power " send them home" rubbish and be in Australia ? it's like an american telling all the immigrants to go home, thats all they and Australia are immigrants. If your an australian my friend YOU are an immigrant.

Land 'ownership' is a white man's concept. To aboriginal people it is a silly concept; to them only God owns the land. This was a very unfortunate situation for Aboriginals in Australia and the tribes in the Americas.
Hunters and gathers by nature 'move' with the herds and the seasons. It is a very spiritual way of life and closer to God than any Christian, Muslim, Hindu or Buddhist could ever hope to be. When they feel that they have used the land enough they move on and let the land regenerate. They may return to it in a few seasons or years. There is no waste or exploitation of resources.
All this sounds so peaceful and idylic; so what happened? Well to make it short,
white settlers came ashore, saw how beatiful it was, started putting up fences and writing funny pieces of paper for the natives to sign. The natives were worried because their hunting grounds are blocked. Settlers give weapons to different tribes along with firewater and the rest is history.

Well yes and no. Sure The whites siezed the opportunities in front of them and are responsible for the destruction of thier nomadic culture. The natives have subsequently learned from us how to work the system and have learned western opportunism. Looking at native americans and in particular in alaska you can see this.
Before we came along thing really werent so idyllic. They had villages and wandered the country. The different villages or tribes would meet at specific trading spots and trade. But quite often if they met away from these places they had no compunction about killing the other guys and stealing thier stuff. .
Did the white man teach them to be opportunistic? I dont think so. I think its a human trait.

For anyne interrested in aboriginal native culture rent this movie as it is quite exellent:

http://www.lot47.com/thefastrunner/

The time has come to abolish native title in Australia. Aborigines has proven quite unable to manage the land they have been given title to.

They have only in recent histoy been given title of lands. In a couple of generations they will be managing very well i'm sure. It is a right they have been denied for too long and had the White people actually invested the time to work WITH them in the past mabe the place would be better managed than it is now.

They managed very well for a long time and to say a nomad culture don't manage the land they have been given is pretty stupid.
Before White settlers they went where they wished and lived OFF the land and didn't need to manage it.
It's a western concept and they are forced to work in that alien culture. Of course it will take time.

You realy don't have too many braincells do you ?

Drewshocks, your comment is typical of a lot of racists. You want the Asians, blacks, and Aborigines out, probably the Arabs as well I'd imagine.
Your type gets resentful when native people begin making progress and bringing themselves out of poverty, hence your opinion that Aborigines should have their land entitlement taken away. It's the same in America. After decades of living on dusty reservations, Native Americans have become very wealthy from sucessful
casino businesses and now some white immigrants (you can call them Americans if
you'd like) are angry and jeleous and are calling for the removal or gross taxation of these businesses. See past the colors mate, see people.

Bob I do see some of your points but you can't deny the attrocities that native peoples have endured under white immigration. I don't think the Native Americans
were dying off in mass numbers from small pox before Manifest Destiny set in. I don't think their buffalo were being left to rot on the plains for a railroad that quickly became obsolete after it was finished. Now that's progress. I am sure that America and Australia as examples could have been setted peacefuly, but peace is too slow of an option for some I guess.

Agreed no denying those atrocities, but I think they were dealing with the plains indians the only was they could think of at the time. Remember the plains indians were'nt exatly a docile group of people. In fact they were quite frighteningly vicious.
A case could be made that the english/european/us occupation of the americas was'nt any different than any other force of nature. ie floods, fires, earthquake, droughts, volcanoes, sunami's ect.

Considering immigration as a natural wave of destruction is a very interesting idea; I never thought of it that way. Kind of like a swarm of locusts that comes in
and decimates everything in its path. So in essence you are saying the white race
was a scourge or plague on the native peoples of the Americas and Australia?

It is a sad experience to see the amount of litter that exists in land managed by aborigines. Beer bottles are everywhere. Garbage is not properly collected. What a sad comment on the mentality of Australia's aborigines.

I should add that most aborigines do not wash regularly. They have a distinct and pungent personal pong which enhances their popular image as obnoxious people in Australia.

So are you saying you would like every last one of them gassed from the face of the earth?

Aborigines should not live in urban areas. They should stay in the bush and only mix with their fellow tribal members. In this way they do not become a problem for the white people.

Totally agree. We have the same problem in the UK around areas occupied by a group called the BNP or National Front. Burnt out cars, garbage, drunks in the gutter. You name it. These tribals should be kept in rural areas, Dogger Bank or Morcambe Bay. They get a good wash once a day. They live off whelks anyway so they'd be right at home.

Are we (white euro trash type folks that is) any less a part of nature than the natives? We just adapt differently.

I suppose a case could be made to support the idea that the planet is infested with humans beings and would be better off without them. Thats probably what some far off advanced alien race says when they look a the earth " yuk who would want to go there its infested with humans!"

Wake up to the harsh reality of the results of aborigines mixing with the white people in Australia. Talk to police who have to deal with aborigines when they are drunk and violent. It is not a pleasant sight to see I can assure you.

I hear what you are saying Bob, but I think the farther away we humans distance ourselves from a natural way of living the worse off we will be. The mass consumption of shody products, pesticides in the soil, air pollution, cancer causing chemicals in food, ect.. are all killing off these tribal people who have a vast knowledge of plants, soil, animals, trees and language. Once they are assimilated
and paved over by concrete, that knowledge will be gone. Once they are gone where will we look to for 'help' with all the diseases and plagues that we will have
(already have) created?

Yep when you look at the ecological disaster in progress that currently calls itself China you really have wonder whether modern economic development is good at all.
There are alot of good techno developments coming along. Thankfully alot is being saved in the ways of traditional medicine. Overall I'd say living conditions are better now that say 800 years ago. But that's also open to debate, especially given that my perspective is different than say the beggar lady on the corner of suk and soi 3.
But generaly I think today more people have the opportunity to lead lives of some privilege than before. Though I also think that we have become slaves to our technological advancements.

With the new computer tech coming along we are going to see some remarkable new things in the next few years.
I'm sitting here marveling at my new little laptop power book with an ipod that holds a mindboggling amount of music. There is even a little gadget that plugs into the ipod which transmits into any FM reciever, so you can play your ipod library through any car or home stereo instantly! Too cool

Drewshocks never fails to detract conversasion from the topic... He/she's probably just stirring... not worth reply, really...

Drewshocks tells the embarrassing truth. No wonder the politically correct morons hate him.

Australia as has been pointed out is very much a part of Asia. With the falling white birth rate I suggest you develop a taste for Asian cuisine.

In the end I voted for Myanmar, but it was a tough, tough choice.

And drewshocks, mate, where's the Aussie spirit of the "Fair Go"
We have a whole continent underneath our feet - room enough for everyone.
Were all immigrants here bar the Aborignals

"...For those who come across the seas,"
"We've boundless plains to share."
"In historys page, let every stage"
"Advance Australia Fair..."

Whats the name of that song again???

It's Burma not Myanmar, cut the socialist misnomers. But, Vietnam is the worst by far.
Demarcation of the land boundary with China continues, but maritime boundary and joint fishing zone agreement remains unratified; Cambodia and Laos protest Vietnamese squatters and armed encroachments along border; China occupies Paracel Islands also claimed by Vietnam and Taiwan; involved in complex dispute with China, Malaysia, Philippines, Taiwan, and possibly Brunei over the Spratly Islands; the 2002 "Declaration on the Conduct of Parties in the South China Sea" has eased tensions but falls short of a legally binding "code of conduct" desired by several of the disputants. The toilet of Asia.