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Oh come on, trader. that is totally disingenuous of you here. First, Fit' is doing what All of us do, in order to protect ourselves. We implicitly OR explicitly deceive others, and sometimes outselves. I have been known to do it, and so do you. So, why are you blaming someone for what you also do?
And as for illusionary and deceptiveness about Fit's propencity, if you accept the "bisexual" concept, then it is not a huge leap to see where one would attempt to be Normal, and cleary with regard to sex hetrosexuality is Normal, while homosexuality is not. I have known of many people who have attempted to maintain normalicy, and perhaps more are able than not. But Fit is, and was, probably caught in the middle of things. But to paint him as being of terrible character for not totally conforming to the norm is a bit too much, in my opinion.
John L, though I respect you usual balanced views. I think you have over simplified what I said and over looked completely the main point I made here.
As I said, it is not his reasons for or even his deception and or his bisexuality or homosexuality that is an effrontery, as I said, that is completely unimportant and his burden to bare. likewise, I never said he was a terrible person for being a closet gay as was normal, as you said, in a bygone era.
The point I made that is an effrontery is in his own words not just on this topic and thread but accumulatively in a pattern and practice clearly exampled in his own word usage.
As FITs said on this particular subject and has exhibited in staedfast propensity to about most anything discussed particular in his blame America for all the world's ills menatilty, that is, like his statements in this post #15, examples of
projection bias.
His cummlative statements like those exampled in post number 15 are particularly enlightening as to my point about self responsibility and the related consequences of one actions or inactions as the case maybe.
Most particular revealing is what is not said about the faults of others as well as some very ponyent but informatively revealing choices of word usage.
Do you know what psychological projection is? Hmm?
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The reality of the other person lies not in what he reveals to you, but what he cannot or Does not reveal to you. Therefore, if you would understand him, listen not to what he says, but rather to what he does not say.” Kahlil Gibran
Odd stories Fits. You proclaim achievement and satisfaction. Yet, at ever corner you confess projection bias, first in blaming society, the Air force and by implication others, for your dishonesty in disavowing your own nature though understand given the era it nevertheless breds a tendency for a propensity to grow rather than diminish once continued in longevity.
You then exclaim fault to an alcoholic drug addicted wife and two drug addicted children, as if it were all their fault and YOU, as the Stewart of the family, were but a mere bystander in that arena and the circumstances that surrounded it. Unsayingly accepting no culpibility or blame but clearly faulting others in doing so. To that I find to be an effrontery.
Lastly, comes this odd embracing of Christianity, which in overwhelming majorities of opinion does not embrace you and even rejects you. Wrongly or rightly, of that I am not well suited to judge. Yet, clearly it does reject you as a homosexual as does most religions especially the Islam that you chant as so repressed by you own country and people. That I find to be an effrontery.
All the while, proudly proclaiming, how you live off pensions from a government, people and a nation that you constantly deride, demean and ridicule, blaming them exclusively for the entire world’s ills.
Meantime giving all others, who are far more culpable to the world ills in these diatribes of blame, a pass, in this constant anti-America dementia and pattern of blaming all but the blameful?
Yet, noticeably leaving out, conveniently, your own culpability in all the personal failures of your family, yourself and especially those that are the real evil in this world. Now that as well I call an effrontery.
If that is not clearly classic Freudian projection bias there never was any.
Like in Christianity, it was and is your cross to bear and thusly needs no measure of explanation nor judgment by any here. For it is to be measured by what ever comes next if anything at all.
The Thai’s have a saying drawn from a mantra embedded in the principles of Buddhism. It goes something like this.
The first part,
"tum dii dai dii", literally means,
"do good, get good" The second part,
"tum chua, dai chua", literally means,
do bad, get bad. The measure of either is of course, subjective, especially in our terrestrial unproven world of Religious judgments and supremacy. Yet, as you religious hypes, who are often running from something, rather than to something, presume, it is to be eventually measured by a higher power in the hereafter.
I find it oddly Freudian your using this most revealing term
psychological projection which is more commonly known as (projection bias); the operation of expelling feelings or wishes the individual finds wholly unacceptable—too shameful, too obscene, too dangerous—by attributing them to another or in blame to others." (Freud: A Life for Our Time, page 281)
A learned man once said regarding this deceptive human flaw of projection bias;
He who fights with monsters might take care lest he thereby becomes a monster. And if you gaze for long into an abyss, the abyss gazes also into you."
— Beyond Good and Evil
Similarly, the philosopher Ludwig Feuerbach
based his theory of religion in large part upon the idea of projection, i.e.,
the idea that an anthropomorphic deity is the outward projection of man's anxieties and desires.Oddly, I pondered the real person, if there is one, behind these examples of some level of co-dependent evolutions of dissimilar but well clarified projection bias?
Projection is an especially commonly used defense mechanism in people with certain personality disorders:
· Paranoid personality disorder
(Implies the presence of ongoing, baseless suspiciousness and distrust of people or maybe
Of a Country, its people and your government)· Narcissistic personality disorder-
(Basic sense of inferiority, displaying excessive anger or shame when experiencing rejection, although this is often not noticed by others.
The individual presents a false self to the world. (A long history there)
Has grandiose sense of self-importance. arrogant affect, haughty behaviors or attitudes toward the surrounding world and to that which they object. Under feelings of inferiority, there is a preoccupation with fantasies and an aimless orientation toward superficial interests and obsessive supposition and blame.)
· Antisocial personality disorder
(Internalized morals of our unconscious mind are restricted from surfacing to the ego and consciousness and are thusly repressed and projected outward away from self.)
· Psychopathy
(Narcissistic obsessively focused view with little to no concern for the greater world that is perceived as non obeying with a complete disregard for any sense of social obligation beyond their narrow narcissistic view.)
No clearer or more revealing manner of this entirety of projection bias could be than you last paragraph.
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I think you're jealous. Let me guess: you post on this from the public library, for free, after you finish work at McDonald's, and you're 16 years old, and your mother still cleans your room for you
Enough said.
I agree, Haupt, being gay is not a flaw nor terrible or something to be blamed for or ashamed of. Yet blaming others for it and about everything else is a big flaw especially if one is consistently espousing fault to others over a long period of time and over many varying circumstance, individuals and or endeavors.
Something that you will one day come to realize is a big flag of
off centeredness especially when one is above the age of 30.
Youthful obviousness and seemingly intellectual supremacy and invincibility is a reality that most survive, but many, like exampled in FITS stories, do not survive unscathed and uninjured in some mental or physical way unless they understand youthfulness is an illusion of time created experiences that soon fade into wisdoms of the real world afar from the illusions of youth fantasies.
That is my opine and 25 staang anyway.Bellatoris Mores
Munus semper primus perficiam
Numquam cladem accipiam
Numquam signa deseram
Numquam mortuum commilitonem relinquam
TUM DII DAI DII, TUM CHUA DAI CHUA!
THAT IS ALL!!
TQ has advised us that being gay is not a choice but it is a natural occurrences in one's psychological make up. I ponder what that deception all those years conveys about your character as an honest person of truthful conviction and self awareness.
). Then I realized my wife didn't have one of those baster things, and I went off in search of one. 
