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John L
This is a classic example of why I am convinced that of all the pofessions today, the profession of Journalism is without a doubt the most intellectually lazy, uneducated, and petty of all. Check this one out here.

Jon Carrol of the San Fran Chronical has this for an explanation of why the President and the Right is going after the NY Times. Even someone on the Left should have a hard time swallowing this one.


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The Times is a good target. People who believe in the "left-wing media" believe that the New York Times is the leftiest of them all. The people who believe in the "mainstream media" believe that the Times is the mainest of them all. Hardly anyone has a good word to say about it, except that it's the best newspaper in the country. But really, how important is that?

Also, the name of the New York Times contains the word "New York." Many members of the president's base consider "New York" to be a nifty code word for "Jewish." It is very nice for the president to be able to campaign against the Jews without (a) actually saying the word "Jew" and (cool.gif without irritating the Israelis. A number of prominent Zionist groups think the New York Times is insufficiently anti-Palestinian, so they think the New York Times isn't Jewish enough.


Could anyone in their right(as in correct thinking) mind EVER think of an excuse such as this one? Further, is this a representative example of the Intellectual deliquency of the MSM?

Under normal circumstances, I would suggest that M. Carrol take up fantasy and SF for a living. I first thought he may do quite well, but on second thought I am now hesitent. Fantasy and SF requires a fertile and logicalyl imaginative mind. Clearly there is nothing logical about this turkey. And he is not alone. When I watch a Washington Press conference, I hear many questions that I would be totally ashamed to ask, for fear that I would be thought a Dunce. But it does not effect these genuises in the least. Obviously they believe that they are brilliant. Perhaps they should get out in the Real World more often.
Thaiquila
What planet do you live in, John?
OF COURSE right wing attacks on the New York Times are code attacks on Jewish intellectuals. Be more intellectually honest, OK?
Maybe you lost your sensitivity to Jewish issues when you knelt down before the Xian cross. I can't figure you out.
John L
QUOTE (Thaiquila @ Jun 30 2006, 09:24 PM) *
What planet do you live in, John?
OF COURSE right wing attacks on the New York Times are code attacks on Jewish intellectuals. Be more intellectually honest, OK?
Maybe you lost your sensitivity to Jewish issues when you knelt down before the Xian cross. I can't figure you out.


TQ, I can only pray that you finally get your priorities straightened out before you make the transition into the next plane. You poor, demented fellow.
Thaiquila
The next plane? Yeah, it is sad, I didn't qualify for frequent flyer elite status this year.

John, don't you know New York is known as Gayjewistan?

Right wing, attacks on Jewish intellectuals is nothing new. Remember the ROSENBERGS???




Innocent Jews MURDERED by the US government, 1952
Fit2BThaied
John L, please help me out here. When conservatives rail against the Main Stream Media, are they accusing it of being too far left of center, or just plain poor journalism? Do reasonable-thinking conservatives or right wingers or whatever-they-call-themselves-today admit that MSM isn't all owned and written and spoken by radical Communists? Isn't the biggest radio chain in the USA now Clear Channel Communications, out of San Antonio, and not exactly a Marxist stronghold? Is Rupert Murdoch right-wing, left-wing, or just a capitalist?

Yes, journalistic standards are terrible. I remember being in various parts of West Texas in 1985 and 1987, constantly meeting graduates of schools of journalism in Texas (5% of whom qualified as liberal). Their questions were naive, and their grasp of the global political issues was minimal. One or two would privately admit that they shared some of our left-wing political agenda (anti-war, anti-nuclear, peace, etc.), but that their old-fashioned, right-wing editors wouldn't let them publish that, anyway. We stood outside some air force base in West Texas with a journalist who was jeopardizing his young career by protesting the latest B-1 bomber.

It's a big country. Do we honestly believe that the schools of journalism in our "red" states are run by card-carrying Marxists? I doubt it. More likely, once these young does get out of school, they're faced with the capitalist model of journalism: write what sells. It's more about money than truth. The boards of directors want profits.
John L
QUOTE (Thaiquila @ Jun 30 2006, 09:53 PM) *
Innocent Jews MURDERED by the US government, 1952


They were far from innocent TQ. They were guilty of spying and passing secrets about the fusion bomb to the CCP. Again, you are living in LaLa land.
Thaiquila
QUOTE (John L @ Jul 1 2006, 04:01 PM) *
They were far from innocent TQ. They were guilty of spying and passing secrets about the fusion bomb to the CCP. Again, you are living in LaLa land.

Yes, they were found guilty. That doesn't mean the same thing that they WERE guilty.
John L
QUOTE (Fit2BThaied @ Jun 30 2006, 10:05 PM) *
John L, please help me out here. When conservatives rail against the Main Stream Media, are they accusing it of being too far left of center, or just plain poor journalism? Do reasonable-thinking conservatives or right wingers or whatever-they-call-themselves-today admit that MSM isn't all owned and written and spoken by radical Communists? Isn't the biggest radio chain in the USA now Clear Channel Communications, out of San Antonio, and not exactly a Marxist stronghold? Is Rupert Murdoch right-wing, left-wing, or just a capitalist?

Yes, journalistic standards are terrible. I remember being in various parts of West Texas in 1985 and 1987, constantly meeting graduates of schools of journalism in Texas (5% of whom qualified as liberal). Their questions were naive, and their grasp of the global political issues was minimal. One or two would privately admit that they shared some of our left-wing political agenda (anti-war, anti-nuclear, peace, etc.), but that their old-fashioned, right-wing editors wouldn't let them publish that, anyway. We stood outside some air force base in West Texas with a journalist who was jeopardizing his young career by protesting the latest B-1 bomber.

It's a big country. Do we honestly believe that the schools of journalism in our "red" states are run by card-carrying Marxists? I doubt it. More likely, once these young does get out of school, they're faced with the capitalist model of journalism: write what sells. It's more about money than truth. The boards of directors want profits.


While you are correct in that the communications industry is run by others than the journalism profession and they are there to make a profit, the fact is that the day to day business of running the newspapers and TV news is done by Journalists, and they are the ones inflluencing the news. Unfortunately, the schools of Journalism throughout the counrty are filled with people, who believe that their purpose in life it to contribute to civilization, and as some have stated, "To Save The World". This is utter nonsense. Journalists are there for one reason only: to report the news. And while the MSM is reporting the news, they are doing so from the context that they are trying to "save the world" from the evil intent of those who they deem as dangerous. Those just happen to be traditionalists, Individualists, Christians, and others who would preserve the old and worn out principles that have worked for thousands of years.

This is too much to go into, and I don't have the time, but I stand by my point that the Journalism profession, along wigh certain elements of the education system, are defunct intellectually, and their agenda is to create a new standard that is not akin to what things once were. that is why they are collectivist sympathizers, big government thinking, atheist inclined, and superior in thinking to the rest of the "average" population.

TQ is a perfect example of someone, who thinks himself to be brilliant, cogent, progressive and Right at all costs. Were he not so hilarious, and misguided, he could actually be dangerous.


QUOTE (Thaiquila @ Jul 1 2006, 12:03 PM) *
Yes, they were found guilty. That doesn't mean the same thing that they WERE guilty.


Again, 50 years late, and $.25 short. The opened KGB files following the fall of the CCP clearly show that the Rosenbergs WERE spies. Sometimes being the Court Fool is entertaining. Every forum needs one, and YOU Are IT! Congratulations on your official designation.
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