It has become clear that the US is no longer holding its traditional values and has become a model for Facism. Is it good or bad, we don't know, as Facism can be useful under certain circumstances. Also Economic expansion is not entirely incompatible with a dictactorship and Facism (even Nazism in this matter). Maybe this is the last solution for the US to survive as an ecomomic powerhouse. They have no choice. Their dreams, their myths no longer stand true and the American public doesn't believe in them anymore. GW Bush is just an amateur but the next in lines will be far worse.

Hillary Clinton?
Yeah, I agree the US has taken many steps down the dark road, and there may be no turning back.

I ponder, though spoken in the third person as if NOT apart of the American Ideals, yet self assumed as all knowing of them. This a Good discourse of opine and supposition but "where is the beef"?

A diatribe;

a prolonged discourse
2 : a bitter and abusive speech or writing
3 : ironical or satirical criticism

Supposition;
# guess: a message expressing an opinion based on incomplete evidence
# assumption: a hypothesis that is taken for granted; "any society is built upon certain assumptions"
# the cognitive process of supposing

Definitions of factual on the Web:

* When philosophers speak eg of a factual proposition or claim, they usually mean that it is true or false, especially that it is an EMPIRICAL or at least non-ANALYTIC truth or falsehood. Hence ‘Glasgow is the capital of Scotland’ is factual.


* actual: existing in act or fact; "rocks and trees...the actual world"; "actual heroism"; "the actual things that produced the emotion you experienced"
* of or relating to or characterized by facts; "factual considerations"
* de facto: existing in fact whether with lawful authority or not; "de facto segregation is as real as segregation imposed by law"; "a de facto state of war"
* characterized by fact; "the factual aspects of the case"

Reality

# world: all of your experiences that determine how things appear to you; "his world was shattered"; "we live in different worlds"; "for them demons were as much a part of reality as trees were"
# the state of being actual or real; "the reality of his situation slowly dawned on him"
# the state of the world as it really is rather than as you might want it to be; "businessmen have to face harsh realities"
# the quality possessed by something that is real

Actuality

According to the postulate of actuality, for us to be entitled to judge that a putative empirical object is actual, "what we require is the connection of the object with some actual perception, in accordance with the analogies of experience, which define all real connection in an experience in general." Thus Kant employs a coherence theory of (the nature of, and also of the test for) truth.

To have meaning are not ALL or the vast majority of these components required along with some mild mannerism of indisputible evidence perhaps?

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^ Holly ######, is this post above a troll or a forum bot ? I couldn't bother reading it all as it wasn't making any sense in the first 2 lines. Probably a chinese spam bot like we can see these days on forums. LOL. They should get rid of it before it starts spamming porn and viagra ads. LOL

Sometimes it takes a newbie to uncover the truth.
He does that all the time. I hadn't considered he might be a bot. Brilliant theory. If it is a human, I have been trying to convince him to change his "writing" style for years.

That is our resident poet, and seer ustrader. If you remain for any time, you will get used to his style. And, you are not going to receive an "F" if you have trouble getting through some of the more extensive posts.

Anyway, welcome to the forum.

Interested in Fascism, eh?

Now that was a gibing come back of mooting force indeed.

I bet it took a long time to think through it with such clarity of intellectual domination and neural discharges.



Step it up lad, at least make it more challenging than this dribble. Which is nothing but a post to post, saying nothing and meaning even less.


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Thanks for the welcome.

ok so you have a resident bot as a mascott, ok interesting. Maybe I should put it in the ignore list to make sure it doesn't trash my threads or my replies. LOL.

Yes, Facism, a very interesting topic that shows the limits and the horizon of our cruelty. A study in itself. Beautiful in some ways, because of its vicious and dark vision.

Well, I am a purist about Fascism, in that I have studied it extensively, and do not view it as it is popularly regarded. The popular definitions, many and veried, are usually wrong as well. If you get it wrong, I will be the first to straighten you out on that word.

Ok, I have advertised for the Citadel for a while and it is time for me to insert the Anti Collectivist signature. Here goes.

Sir John, I like your definitions above. Very nice. Yes the definition of fascism can be very tricky. I think for most it is the authoritarian style that defines it, but it's much more. Nazism is very different but as effective. I must admit that both are fascinating, at least in historical values.

Now that has some beef, can you expand on what it is about fascism and authoritarianism you find fascinating in its various forms historially speaking?

What I find so fascinating is that so many people, over 95%, have no idea as to what Fascism REALLY is. It is so simple, yet everyone wishes to make it it so complex. Go figure that one.

Yada yada yada.
Now it the time where JL tells us he is really a "LIBERAL" and that Ted Kennedy is a "FASCIST", not Hilter, Mussolini, and bush.

Very astute TQ. Since I Am a Real Liberal, in the classic sense, and you are not, I can understand your angst. However, you are right again about Uncle Teddy. And why shouldn't he be: his Daddy was a Fascist sympathiser. Certainly the fruit does not fall far from the tree, and our Uncle Teddy is the consumate Collectivist, relying on the State to heavily regulate and control things. Typical Fascist TQ. Typical Fascist.

There he goes again!

I agree with Mr. Star, state control of the means of production has been on the rise in the United States for quite some time.

Virtually all of the specific economic policies advocated by the Italian and German fascists of the 1930s have also been adopted in the United States in some form, and continue to be adopted to this day. Sixty years ago, those who adopted these interventionist policies in Italy and Germany did so because they wanted to destroy economic liberty, free enterprise, and individualism. Only if these institutions were abolished could they hope to achieve the kind of totalitarian state they had in mind.

Many American politicians who have advocated more or less total government control over economic activity have been more devious in their approach. They have advocated and adopted many of the same policies, but they have always recognized that direct attacks on private property, free enterprise, self-government, and individual freedom are not politically palatable to the majority of the American electorate. Thus, they have enacted a great many tax, regulatory, and income-transfer policies that achieve the ends of economic fascism, but which are sugar-coated with deceptive rhetoric about their alleged desire only to “save” capitalism.

American politicians have long taken their cue in this regard from Franklin D. Roosevelt, who sold his National Recovery Administration (which was eventually ruled unconstitutional) on the grounds that “government restrictions henceforth must be accepted not to hamper individualism but to protect it.”[40] In a classic example of Orwellian doublespeak, Roosevelt thus argued that individualism must be destroyed in order to protect it.

Now that socialism has collapsed and survives nowhere but in Cuba, China, Vietnam, and on American university campuses, the biggest threat to economic liberty and individual freedom lies in the new economic fascism. While the former Communist countries are trying to privatize as many industries as possible as fast as they can, they are still plagued by governmental controls, leaving them with essentially fascist economies: private property and private enterprise are permitted, but are heavily controlled and regulated by government.

As most of the rest of the world struggles to privatize industry and encourage free enterprise, we in the United States are seriously debating whether or not we should adopt 1930s-era economic fascism as the organizational principle of our entire health care system, which comprises 14 percent of GNP. We are also contemplating business-government “partnerships” in the automobile, airlines, and communications industries, among others, and are adopting government-managed trade policies, also in the spirit of the European corporatist schemes of the 1930s.

The state and its academic apologists are so skilled at generating propaganda in support of such schemes that Americans are mostly unaware of the dire threat they pose for the future of freedom. The road to serfdom is littered with road signs pointing toward “the information superhighway,” “health security,” “national service,” “managed trade,” and “industrial policy.”

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