Even if the stats from the immigration-statistics site Neal Boortz quoted are inaccurate, and are only a half or a third of these figures, illegal immigration thru our southern border is still a huge problem that needs fixed, and is a disease that is making the body that is the US weaker.

And still our spineless politicians in Washington do NOTHING ABOUT IT.

FOUR MORE YEARS!!!
FOUR MORE YEARS!!!
FOUR MORE YEARS!!!
FOUR MORE YEARS!!!


Thank you Bush Family Empire supporters.







hehe clh cheapshot I know... lol

WoooHooo!!!!! Cheyney/Bush 2008!!!!! MARK

LoL np, PT.

But it's like this, vote for someone who was questionable on the border but stronger than the other on defense and the War Against Radical Islam (Bush), or vote for someone who still probably wouldnt fix the border and who was terrible on defense and the War Against Radical Islam, AND who would've probably helped erode the 2nd Amendment even more than it already has been (Kerry).

And in 2000, Gore or Bush? Hah! No contest again, because Gore is as much of a moron as Kerry, and we hadnt seen any of Bush's presidential mistakes and miscalculations to hold against him yet.

Like the old cliche goes, "a choice between the lesser of 2 evils", so to speak. I want a modern-day Teddy Roosevelt to show up on the US political scene. He beliefs on immigration would probably help us "fix" the immigration problems of today. And I bet he'd have the terrorists running for their lives much more than Bush has done...in fact, if he was REALLY like TR, he'd probably write some kind of law whereby the President (himself) could lead and fight on the battlefield against the terrorist scum!

AND he wouldnt give a crap what the press or his more idiotic political opponents in the US and the world thought or said, either. We desperately need a prez with guts and smarts like this right now. Instead, we are probably gonna get Dems controlling the Congress AND the WH soon. And them watch the terrorists celebrate! If the consequences werent so dire, it would actually be fun to watch the Dems try to tackle this World War we are in.

After they take over in 2006 and 2008, they are gonna probably end up being living, breathing examples of that old saying 'be careful what you wish for'! And I bet they flip and try to use some of the same tools they have chastised Bush for using, such as the "NSA-style wiretapping", and other such things.

Oh, and BTW, I bet a TR clone would probably be good for gas prices and the economy, too.

Well well well.... look who "screwed the pooch" this time!!

1. As for the "facts" you put out, especially concerning 95% of outstanding arrest warrants in Los Angeles targeting illegal aliens - this came from a very contentious flap in which an anonymous writer plagiarized his source in a chain e-mail, stating that this statistic and nine other inflammatory, anti-hispanic statistics came from the L.A. Times, when actually they did not - these supposed facts could in no way be traced back to The Times or to the supposed author, who does not exist. Don't you know that the supposed source of these statistics - the L.A. Times itself - actually disputed them? This was actually a big to-do in colleges and universities throughout the nation, mine included. Many watchful observers denounced the fake L.A. Times statistics, and called it hateful propaganda.

clh - this fact you state is a hoax. I'm not saying you put it in here intentionally - many people were suckered into this whopper ... but the truth has been out for a long time that this claim is bogus. Don't you remember when bigoted journalist and writer Heather MacDonald was nationally embarassed for citing this in one of her articles?! Here are just a few of the many articles outlining the details of that hoax, and others condemning those, such as clh, who've used this supposed fact for political advantage:

Los Angeles Times I
Los Angeles Times II
Los Angeles Metro Blogs
Snopes.com
Townhall.com
National Review.com

2. I also have another problem with your spinning the truth in this post... So, since Kennedy and Reid want to consult with Mexico on the fence location, you translate that to mean Mexico decides where the fence would go? You make it sound as if Reid and Kennedy are allowing Mexico to choose what our borders are when clearly the words consult and decide are not synonomous.

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Keep up the good work, you ignorant racist. Next time check your facts.

Blah..Blah...Blah....Oh geez. Are you dishonest and disingenuous or just easily confused.
Boortz said-


and you go to all this effort to discredit some friggin claim in an E-mail that said -


Boorts said "OUTSTANDING warrants" even your snopes link admits the accuracy of the claim and its source-





F U C K off and die ya splooge clot!!! with these constant "racist" comments because we dont buy into this constant steam of BS from you. MARK

"In the first place, we should insist that if the immigrant who comes here in good faith, becomes an American and assimilates himself to us, he shall be treated on an exact equality with everyone else for it is an outrage to discriminate against any such man because of creed, or birthplace, or origin. But this is predicated upon the person’s becoming in every facet an American, and nothing but an American… There can be no divided allegiance here. Any man who says he is an American, but something else also, isn’t an American at all. We have room for but one flag, the American flag… We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language… and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the American people.”—Theodore Roosevelt, 1907

Thanks for the backup on the Boortz stats, Mark. And thanks for reminding me of the exact TR quote. I remembered the gist of it, but not verbatim. I probably agree with him on more issues that I do any other president, and he is still "my hero", as US presidents go.

And as far as our resident "splooge clot" (LoL, good one), Mr. Left, he is fast becoming quite the rabid, foaming-at-the-mouth left-wingnut lately, eh? It is the trademark of the left to call people with whom the disagree on any remotely racial issue a "racist". And Mr. Left didnt disappoint in this regard...he was true to stereotypical, left-wingnut form!

I think they all have a kind of "left-wingnut bible" they are forced to study and memorize. And in it is has all the lessons of the left, and the approved left-wingnut terminology for the non-lefties they encounter and want to denigrate.

But he called me an "IGNORANT racist". Well, he is the ignorant one, because I am and have been coming at this issue from a pragmatic, law-and-order --- albeit sometimes admittedly emotional --- angle. And even if it were people of Dutch-Irish-Sioux Indian descent --- as am I --- who were coming into the US illegally and basically raping our ecomony and social services and sending $$$ back home without wanting to assimilate and become law-abiding, true-blue Americans, I would STILL be just as vociferous and demanding this crisis be ended for the good of the country as a whole. So I guess this would make me an "ignorant racist" against my own kind, right?!?

Mr. Left has become, in my mind, the poster-child of the loony left-wing on this forum. I can think of no one else here who better epitomizes what is wrong about the loony left in the US today than does he.

BTW, Mr. Left(-wingNUT)...in case you didnt notice, I put a disclaimer on the end of the article I quoted from the Boortz site saying "...Even if the stats from the immigration-statistics site Neal Boortz quoted are inaccurate...", it was still a crisis that wasnt good for the US and still needed fixed.

Get a grip, dude. In your zeal to use what you thought was a golden opportunity to attack my position and also be warranted in calling me an "ignorant racist", I think you mighta missed that disclaimer.

Not to mention that he missed the fact that his own sources indicate the statistic in question IS accurate.
MARK

This isn't my opinion. The "95% " statistic you pose as fact is not fact. The L.A. Times didn't write it. A nationally syndicated columnest was disgraced for using it. It's a fabrication and a hoax. There's no getting out of this, genius.

Read the links I posted. You'll see.

Blah..Blah...Blah....Oh geez. Are you dishonest and disingenuous or just easily confused. The Statistic on the Boortz site has nothing to do with the LA times or the phantom E-mail. Read and comprehend the snopes article if you can. And try to comprehend the difference between "warrants" and "outstanding warrants".

"testimony before the House Judiciary Subcommittee on Immigration, Border Security, and Claims:
In Los Angeles, 95 percent of all outstanding warrants for homicide in the first half of 2004 (which totaled 1,200 to 1,500) targeted illegal aliens. Up to two-thirds of all fugitive felony warrants (17,000) were for illegal aliens."

MARK

And your links dont speak of any "nationally syndicated columnest". It was nothing more than a
"widely circulated e-mail that was posted on at least 130 conservative websites", although they dont give even one example of these websites.
Now your just makin the shiite up as you go along. MARK

First of all, gentlemen, those stats are proven baloney. And second of all, it boggles my mind that we don't have some sort of system in place for these people. We just let them linger on the margins of society, desperately poor and disenfranchised. Is it any wonder they commit a good deal of crimes? Desperate people do desperate and often stupid things that they later regret. Instead of driving them away, we should step-up language programs and reach out to them. All should be welcome in America. People said the very same things about each new wave of immigrants(most famously the Irish), but the countries still kickin'...

You havent presented a shred of evidence that even disputes a single claim made on the Boortz site. You have presented the evidence that supports that very claim about 95% of the outstanding murder warrants.
You have gone to great lengths to discredit a similiar, but quite different, claim made in some anomynous e-mail.
What you mistake as being "proven", is nothing more than your own desparate need to believe that it is not true. MARK

The big difference is this...the Irish (and other immigrants from earlier times) didnt resist assimilation the way MANY of the recent immigrants have. OR havent your heard about some school districts in CA teaching immigrants children in Spanish rather than trying to get them to learn English? I think one goofy district out there is even teaching some immigrants in some form of native mexican-american/spanish, archaic hybrid language and culture! (Aztlan-based, or something like that...I cant remember now.)

I have no problem with immigrants who want to come here and become assimilated AMERICANS. But I have a HUGE problem with immigrants who want to come here illegally, and then dont want to assimilate. And as far as letting them "linger on the margins of society, desperately poor and disenfranchised", until they come here legally with the goal of assimilating, they shouldnt be in our society in the first place. (And if we fined the heck out of companies who hire illegals, there would be alot less of them wanting to come here if they couldnt find work here.)

Oh, and dont forget the more militant mexicans who want to reclaim much of the southwest US as their own, taking back off of the US to form soem kind of a new country or new province of Mexico. I think they call it "Republica del Norte", or something like that.

Check out this link > http://www.aztlan.net/homeland.htm

The best thing we could do in the US would be to adopt english as the official language, and not let anyone come here to work or live if they didnt speak it well enough to function in society. But i dont think many of them want to make the effort, so all the language programs in the world wont help in that case.

I challenge you to find the original source of this statistic. This isn't about a need to believe anything... it's about a need to verify this statistic's authenticity.

The L.A. Times denied they ever printed it, though it's commonly been attibuted to them... The L.A.P.D. won't talk about it... and authors who have used it have been embarassed because they could not produce the source either... So, once again, the burden of proof is on you.

If you find the source, I may believe it... It would be something Americans need to hear... Though I'm pretty confident it's bogus, I may be wrong. But - like I said - the burden of proof is on you.

I definitely don't think that my tax dollars should be spent to teach immigrants their basic education in a language other than English... I think Spanish-speakers should have to shoulder the tax burdern of that practice if they so desire it - because, obviously, you and I would be paying for a service that we would not have a use for. We should not cater to people who have an aversion to, within reason, becoming American... I agree you on that...

But at the same time, if people of other cultures are coming here legally, they have every right to live in their own cultural enclaves. The constitution provides for it, and in all likelihood, they'll continue to do so; I do not think we should (or, legally, can) force anyone to become American in a cultural sense against their will... But they should definitely learn English if they want to be American citizens - at least to a degree that they are enabled to function in America without violating their civil liberties. This would only benefit them, and it would benefit the economy and our society as a whole.

It would add to our sense of unity as Americans instead of having this impenetrable linguistic wall always looming... but, like I said, at the same time, no one should fear a measure of cultural diversity. After all, it's kind of hard to legislate something like this or to put it into a workable system of verifying one's "Americanness..." The pitfalls of this are apparent, and the possible abuses worrisome.

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Also - I thought that English was our official language to begin with... If it's not, it certainly should be.

Dumb as a rock or SOOOOOO full of S H I T!!! First, read Boortz claim and then read this claim from this phantomn e-mail youve been ranting about. THEY ARE NOT THE SAME F U C K I N G !!!! claim, understand dumb shiite. This has nothing to do with the LA Times. NO ONE has been embarrassed by Boortz claim.
And if you would read what you present as evidence you would have seen the source. Your snopes cite details and points out the difference between your claim from an E-mail, and the claim that was made in the
"testimony before the House Judiciary Subcommittee on Immigration, Border Security, and Claims"
MARK

In the section from Boortz called Nealz Nuze (I looked at the exact page you reference) there is no citation for the 95% claim. All he says regarding that statistic is "I checked it out," but he doesn't give a citation...Therefore I have no reason to believe this is legit, because Boortz offers no citation except a promise that he checked it out. Well, the proof is in the pudding! ... This does nothing to debunk the idea that this claim has no legitimate source, no legitimate author, and was in fact fabricated!

So since there's no evidence that the L.A. Times claim and Boortz's claim are linked - though they're the exact same statistical claim - they're unrelated? Both have no citation... both have been questioned... People have been embarassed by the exact same statistic... and you don't find that suspicious?

Furthermore he presents a bunch of other damning statistics just before the 95% one, but then offers a disclaimer saying "I can't vouch for the accuracy of the imformation on this site" - meaning the site from which he got his facts. So, pray tell, why would one publish a bunch of so called facts, but then say he's not sure they're accurate? Hrm... I wonder. Sensationalism, perhaps? Feeding the addled minds of those with racist affinities?

Wow, man... you're batting a big .000 here.... Keep up the good work.

P.S. Let's stop the childish name-calling. You're not helping your own statements with all these insults.

Uuuuhhhh??? thats why I cited YOUR snopes article dumbshit! which cites three different sources.
"no reason to believe this is legit"????? Are you slithering away from your previous claim that they "are proven baloney"?




It only seems that way because you are too ignorant to comprehend the difference between "outstanding warrants for murder" and "warrants for murder"



Your not even in the game moron.



Eat shiite and die splooge clot!!! MARK

But above you whine and moan how the L.A. Times fiasco, which Snopes is referencing, is unrelated to Boortz. And no - I actually maintain that all of it is proven nonsense because there is no source for any of it. Are you trying to confuse me so I'm too busy defending myself to call you out?



That has nothing to do with this. As you said, The L.A. Times claim, which Snopes cites, has nothing to do with Boortz. Unless, of course, you're going to change your story.



Nice... Did you make that up, or did you hear that somewhere? That's a good one.... I still maintain you've proven nothing. The burden of proof is still on you...



Eat your own and get banned...I just reported you.

Snopes quite clearly refrences both claims? And you seem to get confused without any help from me.





Soooo you rant about
"this fact you state is a hoax"
"statistic you pose as fact is not fact."
"those stats are proven baloney"
and "It's a fabrication and a hoax."

and the burden of proof is on me???? MARK

Here is another, hideous "cost" to the US perpetrated by illegal aliens and allowed to continue due to our failure to completely secure our southern border:


Also, I'd like to respond to a couple of things you said, Mr.Left...

It is fine if immigrants learn english and then want to "live in their own cultural enclaves". However, these enclaves/communities should be of secondary importance to the overall welfare and deference to the nation in which they live, the US of A, and not be so strong as to be virtually tiny little nations within the US that their inhabitants have more allegiance towards than they do the US.

In other words, these enclaves and their related trappings should not be placed in importance over what is good or beneficial to the best interests of the US, such as laws, if a draft were instituted, and such. So for the US to remain viable and healthy, assimilation of all as Americans first MUST be the priority, with cultural, religious, and ethnic identity being a collective distant second place in the scheme of things. To do otherwise is bad for the future well-being of the US.

"Cultural diversity" within limits is one thing...but "cultural diversity" above national allegiance is something else altogether --- and quite harmful!

And also, it is true that the US has no officially declared "official language". And as far as I know, no individual states have legislated this either!

Sickening, clh, absolutely sickening. I'm here in Los Angeles and we are overrun with illegals on every corner of the block.

I hear ya, MrRight. You absolutely have my sympathies.

I know several people who live in CA and they tell me similar horror stories. One guy who lived fairly close to the border told me that it sometimes got so bad that it was like having to dodge heards of deer (or whatever you call large groups of deer) on the highway when groups of illegals were running across the road looking for cover and to escape being apprehended.

And still there are many bleeding-hearts who make excuses for this illegal invasion, citing alleged stats to confuse the issue and make it sound not so bad, and claiming that our economy would be ruined if we enforced border security. HOGWASH! When the reality is as bad as you and my friend and many others see it every day, and our services are being devastated by these hordes of illegals, nothing else should matter.

I fear for our children and future generations of Americans!

Agree.. I hear if the invasion is ongoing the number of illegals will reach 400 million in 20 years.

I hope my children are prepared.