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Gore_Lost
This shouldn't be surprising to anyone. In fact I think it was hillarious when the "he can't do no wrong bush evangilists" were touting the passing of border fence legislation. Did anyone in their right mind actually think that they planned on building the wall. This must be some sort of baby boomer disease, where they actually think that folk are unable to see thru the globalist rapture. I know that most of bush's zealots (see non-conservatives here) are desperate at this point in time, but in my very humble opinion if you support a man who behaves in this way you deserve a .45 acp right between your eyes. Remember amnesty this november...


ARTICLE LINK:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15149231/

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In border fence’s path, legislative roadblocks
Loopholes mean fence may never be built, at least not as advertised
Image: Mexican children at border with U.S.
Sarah L. Voisin / Washington Post
Mexican children run toward the border to the United States in Rancho Anapra outside of Ciudad Juarez, Mexico, on May 12. New Mexico is right on the other side of the fence. About a 100 yards away the fence stops abruptly and on the other side is a flat field where the children often play soccer.

By Spencer S. Hsu
The Washington Post
Updated: 2:25 a.m. PT Oct 6, 2006

No sooner did Congress authorize construction of a 700-mile fence on the U.S.-Mexico border last week than lawmakers rushed to approve separate legislation that ensures it will never be built, at least not as advertised, according to Republican lawmakers and immigration experts.

GOP leaders have singled out the fence as one of the primary accomplishments of the recently completed session. Many lawmakers plan to highlight their $1.2 billion down payment on its construction as they campaign in the weeks before the midterm elections.

But shortly before recessing late Friday, the House and Senate gave the Bush administration leeway to distribute the money to a combination of projects -- not just the physical barrier along the southern border. The funds may also be spent on roads, technology and "tactical infrastructure" to support the Department of Homeland Security's preferred option of a "virtual fence."
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What's more, in a late-night concession to win over wavering Republicans, GOP congressional leaders pledged in writing that Native American tribes, members of Congress, governors and local leaders would get a say in "the exact placement" of any structure, and that Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff would have the flexibility to use alternatives "...
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The funds may also be spent on roads, technology and "tactical infrastructure" to support the Department of Homeland Security's preferred option of a "virtual fence."


Though I agree we are getting another smoke mirror routine from Congress like McCain's "campaign reform" which generated a record amount of spending for the last Presidential campaign. It is far from what they say, yet in fact more of what they write that counts.

Yet, I ponder will these measures in quote though not well defined and described not be an added effectiveness to prevent illegal crossing as equal to a border fence in some ways and areas?
Gore_Lost
A virtual fence does not prevent anything, rather it allows for selective enforcement. If there were a real fence you could not "open" the gates and allow for illegal immigration. At the end of the day it is very clear that Bush does not want to secure the border, so the legislation is simply political. We actually have had detection systems in place for 30+ years. Especially so in New Mexico along white sands missle range, orogrande missle range, fort bliss and Mc gregor missle range. The same system is also employed at Holloman Air Force Base and other military areas with great success. What surfaces here is the uber goal of the administration which is creation of the NAU and the Nasco super highway.

In the end there is some reason Bush does not want to secure the border and I am not sure I want to know what it is...
ustrader
QUOTE (Gore_Lost @ Oct 8 2006, 01:24 PM) *
A virtual fence does not prevent anything, rather it allows for selective enforcement. If there were a real fence you could not "open" the gates and allow for illegal immigration. At the end of the day it is very clear that Bush does not want to secure the border, so the legislation is simply political. We actually have had detection systems in place for 30+ years. Especially so in New Mexico along white sands missle range, orogrande missle range, fort bliss and Mc gregor missle range. The same system is also employed at Holloman Air Force Base and other military areas with great success. What surfaces here is the uber goal of the administration which is creation of the NAU and the Nasco super highway.

In the end there is some reason Bush does not want to secure the border and I am not sure I want to know what it is...


Again, I have no real answer, yet would assume the answer is as simple as Bush and is in his simple view on the issue as said here.

Bush Speech to Nation on Immigration

Then there may be another motive but as you noted, the immigration flow across the border has been around under many administrations this last 50 years. Yet no one wanted to deal with it. Perhaps merely for cheap labor and or Business lobbying and or perhaps so that we will not have the rapidly declining population problems of the next 30 years as they have in Europe and Russia, who knows...

At least perhaps this time we will actually do a little rather than nothing as we always have all my life. Then again perhaps not?

All I can say, 10 years ago I would cross the border without concern. But not in the last 10 years will I. I am in favor of controlling our borders by any means neccessary...

I imagine, the 2008 electon will be afire over this issue assuming Iraq is not still a ping and a pong within the belt way.

That is all!!
Fit2BThaied
Agreed, Congress is being hypocritical, passing an inadequate measure that surely will not build much of a fence. Let them build a fence with our tax dollars if they wish; that's why we send them to Congress or not. Any wall might prevent a few from coming in, but they can always go around, over, under, through, etc.

Newly arrived illegal aliens like to go back to the families they recently left behind, but these increased border security measures work both ways, to keep them in like a weird "iron curtain." One theory is that it will keep more of them inside the USA.
Gore_Lost
QUOTE (ustrader @ Oct 9 2006, 02:50 AM) *
Again, I have no real answer, yet would assume the answer is as simple as Bush and is in his simple view on the issue as said here.

Bush Speech to Nation on Immigration

Then there may be another motive but as you noted, the immigration flow across the border has been around under many administrations this last 50 years. Yet no one wanted to deal with it. Perhaps merely for cheap labor and or Business lobbying and or perhaps so that we will not have the rapidly declining population problems of the next 30 years as they have in Europe and Russia, who knows...

At least perhaps this time we will actually do a little rather than nothing as we always have all my life. Then again perhaps not?

All I can say, 10 years ago I would cross the border without concern. But not in the last 10 years will I. I am in favor of controlling our borders by any means neccessary...

I imagine, the 2008 electon will be afire over this issue assuming Iraq is not still a ping and a pong within the belt way.

That is all!!
Well the majority of the problem lies in the racist chicano movement in the late 60's and early 70's and their growth in a time of American political decline. Smartly so they hid under the civil rights movement and stole the just attention from the Black population whenever they could. During this time it was much harder for the general public to track their funding and connections and technology did not allow for their events to be captured and reviewed. As compiled here: http://www.idawg.com/aztlan.wmv or here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ajkAP_M4ZAM
The movement is purely political and there is not any economic evidence to support their being here. If one were to do simple math it is easy to see that there are not 20 million jobs Americans won't do. All studies indicate that there about 100,000 jobs primarily in agriculture, not 20 million. Over a lifetime Illegal Mexican Immigrants who actually work continuously (5%) cost $12000 more than they every earn over a ten year period. The purpose of allowing this invasion really probably boils down to the wrong person whispering in Bush's ear and he probably thinks there are votes to be gained. When most will never vote for him.

Try this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQxy-q2rDpI
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