Hey guys,
I have been reading a lot that the war in Iraq is a mistake, that it is comparable to Vietnam war, that the US troops need to withdraw as soon as possible. I simply do not agree. I think that the media reports, especially those from CNN and other democratic channels are simply exaggerated. I agree with the author of this article http://www.europeancourier.org/19.htm who points out many genuine benefits of the war in Iraq. His analysis is academic and scientific so he can not be accused of supporting any particular party’s agenda. I think it is a good thing that US troops stay in Iraq and continue to fight. I hope they will not be withdrawn and that Baker’s group will suggest something really worth considering. In my opinion we need to continue this war to secure our freedom and national security in the future.
Full Version: Benefits of war in Iraq
Poster named "European" - who are the 'we' you refer to, when you say "we need to continue this war to secure our freedom and national security"? Are we Europe or Poland, where the long article comes from? The USA? Canada, Ireland, Slovenia, Kyrghzikistan, Thailand, China, Tuvalu, Chad?
The article was too long, and it may already be outdated. Can you please list the reasons why this unending occupation of Iraq (not the invasion and overthrow of Sadam, but the continuing occupation) are so good, great, divinely righteous, and hunky dory? Thanks.
The article was too long, and it may already be outdated. Can you please list the reasons why this unending occupation of Iraq (not the invasion and overthrow of Sadam, but the continuing occupation) are so good, great, divinely righteous, and hunky dory? Thanks.
Welcome european.
Don't mind Thai. He is the self appointed arbiter of right and wrong here. He is perfect by the way, so you must have faith in every word he writes or quotes out of context.
Having said that, I am consigned to hell by him also...so don't pay attention to me either.
Above all, don't answer his questions. This site is not the inquisition.
KenBean
Don't mind Thai. He is the self appointed arbiter of right and wrong here. He is perfect by the way, so you must have faith in every word he writes or quotes out of context.
Having said that, I am consigned to hell by him also...so don't pay attention to me either.
Above all, don't answer his questions. This site is not the inquisition.
KenBean
QUOTE (European @ Nov 23 2006, 08:10 AM) 
Hey guys,
I have been reading a lot that the war in Iraq is a mistake, that it is comparable to Vietnam war, that the US troops need to withdraw as soon as possible. I simply do not agree. I think that the media reports, especially those from CNN and other democratic channels are simply exaggerated. I agree with the author of this article http://www.europeancourier.org/19.htm who points out many genuine benefits of the war in Iraq. His analysis is academic and scientific so he can not be accused of supporting any particular party’s agenda. I think it is a good thing that US troops stay in Iraq and continue to fight. I hope they will not be withdrawn and that Baker’s group will suggest something really worth considering. In my opinion we need to continue this war to secure our freedom and national security in the future.
I have been reading a lot that the war in Iraq is a mistake, that it is comparable to Vietnam war, that the US troops need to withdraw as soon as possible. I simply do not agree. I think that the media reports, especially those from CNN and other democratic channels are simply exaggerated. I agree with the author of this article http://www.europeancourier.org/19.htm who points out many genuine benefits of the war in Iraq. His analysis is academic and scientific so he can not be accused of supporting any particular party’s agenda. I think it is a good thing that US troops stay in Iraq and continue to fight. I hope they will not be withdrawn and that Baker’s group will suggest something really worth considering. In my opinion we need to continue this war to secure our freedom and national security in the future.
That's pretty funny! Can you articulate at least one benefit to this "war", concise, measurable and to the point?
Yeah, Galloway, I can.
to the point: You still get to bhlather like a child without getting your head cut off.
Bean
to the point: You still get to bhlather like a child without getting your head cut off.
Bean
QUOTE (KenBean @ Dec 15 2006, 04:13 PM)
Yeah, Galloway, I can.
to the point: You still get to bhlather like a child without getting your head cut off.
Bean
to the point: You still get to bhlather like a child without getting your head cut off.
Bean
That's a good one! Did they teach you that at the AIPAC conferance?
Bean, you need to apply for a israeli passport!
QUOTE (galloway @ Dec 16 2006, 06:26 AM)
That's a good one! Did they teach you that at the AIPAC conferance?
Bean, you need to apply for a israeli passport!
Bean, you need to apply for a israeli passport!
Ya'll don't say, shucks gomer, okay, but could you go with us to make sure we get it?
Naw, I don't need a passport from Israel. I got the one that reads "In God we trust...The United States of America"
The primary problem I have with the radicals who want Israelis dead is that they bring on the END Times.
If we can execute the murderers, we still have time to introduce a lot of peoples to Jesus Christ before it is too late.
Bean
The primary problem I have with the radicals who want Israelis dead is that they bring on the END Times.
If we can execute the murderers, we still have time to introduce a lot of peoples to Jesus Christ before it is too late.
Bean
QUOTE (KenBean @ Dec 18 2006, 11:27 AM)
Naw, I don't need a passport from Israel. I got the one that reads "In God we trust...The United States of America"
The primary problem I have with the radicals who want Israelis dead is that they bring on the END Times.
If we can execute the murderers, we still have time to introduce a lot of peoples to Jesus Christ before it is too late.
Bean
The primary problem I have with the radicals who want Israelis dead is that they bring on the END Times.
If we can execute the murderers, we still have time to introduce a lot of peoples to Jesus Christ before it is too late.
Bean
Bean,
You are either a zionist, or very stupid.
No one wants "Israel Dead" in your simpleton terms... normal, sane, unbiased, sensible people want the removal of the evil zionist regime that has the world snarled in termoil and terrorism.
Your country is not the "United States of Israel" is it?
If you had any intellect what so ever, you would conclude that the current self-serving, racist, pro-zionist foreign policy is bad for USA.
You would aslo realize that USA and israel are in the forefront of murdering innocent people, making them #1 in world terror and murder.
Don't kid yourself, you don't trust God, you trust your "nooklear and other weapons" to feed your racist urge to murder arabs 1/2 way around the world on false pretexts and open lies.
QUOTE (galloway @ Dec 19 2006, 02:17 AM)
Bean,
You are either a zionist, or very stupid.
No one wants "Israel Dead" in your simpleton terms... normal, sane, unbiased, sensible people want the removal of the evil zionist regime that has the world snarled in termoil and terrorism.
Your country is not the "United States of Israel" is it?
If you had any intellect what so ever, you would conclude that the current self-serving, racist, pro-zionist foreign policy is bad for USA.
You would aslo realize that USA and israel are in the forefront of murdering innocent people, making them #1 in world terror and murder.
Don't kid yourself, you don't trust God, you trust your "nooklear and other weapons" to feed your racist urge to murder arabs 1/2 way around the world on false pretexts and open lies.
You are either a zionist, or very stupid.
No one wants "Israel Dead" in your simpleton terms... normal, sane, unbiased, sensible people want the removal of the evil zionist regime that has the world snarled in termoil and terrorism.
Your country is not the "United States of Israel" is it?
If you had any intellect what so ever, you would conclude that the current self-serving, racist, pro-zionist foreign policy is bad for USA.
You would aslo realize that USA and israel are in the forefront of murdering innocent people, making them #1 in world terror and murder.
Don't kid yourself, you don't trust God, you trust your "nooklear and other weapons" to feed your racist urge to murder arabs 1/2 way around the world on false pretexts and open lies.
Hey Traitor!
Are you a zionist propaganda ministry wannabee?
Are you a zionist propaganda ministry wannabee?
Hey... if you guys would quit hiding behind your camels, your women, and your other beasts of burden, we wouldn't hurt many of them, and never on purpose.
Bean
Bean
QUOTE (KenBean @ Dec 19 2006, 09:47 AM)
Hey... if you guys would quit hiding behind your camels, your women, and your other beasts of burden, we wouldn't hurt many of them, and never on purpose.
Bean
Bean
Good response bean brain! hey! can you find "eye-rack" on the map?
QUOTE (galloway @ Dec 19 2006, 07:33 PM)
Hey Traitor!
Are you a zionist propaganda ministry wannabee?
Are you a zionist propaganda ministry wannabee?
Hey, my Gallows Lyricist,
If be a Zionist and or wannabe, what pray tell are you, my Anasi انتفاضة intifāah Gawwad wannabe?
QUOTE (ustrader @ Dec 19 2006, 12:19 PM)
Hey, my Gallows Lyricist,
If be a Zionist and or wannabe, what pray tell are you, my Anasi انتفاضة intifāah Gawwad wannabe?
If be a Zionist and or wannabe, what pray tell are you, my Anasi انتفاضة intifāah Gawwad wannabe?
Your stupid attempts to paint me with the same, empty right wing rhetoric as "terrorist sympathizer" is getting old.
I am here for the truth, terrorism has nothing to do with islam. A muslim cannot be a terrorist.
QUOTE (KenBean @ Dec 19 2006, 01:27 AM)
Naw, I don't need a passport from Israel. I got the one that reads "In God we trust...The United States of America"
The primary problem I have with the radicals who want Israelis dead is that they bring on the END Times.
If we can execute the murderers, we still have time to introduce a lot of peoples to Jesus Christ before it is too late.
Bean
But Ken, unless you're Mormon (who baptize dead people), you can't evangelize corpses. The primary problem I have with the radicals who want Israelis dead is that they bring on the END Times.
If we can execute the murderers, we still have time to introduce a lot of peoples to Jesus Christ before it is too late.
Bean
We'll assume you're joking about what the passport says (surely you have one, don't you?). If not, you might run downtown to the Mickey Leland Federal Building, and check. The passport they issued me in 1998 didn't say that. Nor does my new passport.
Modern warfare kills 8 to 10 innocent civilians (for whom Jesus died) for every combat soldier it kills, so that's a lot of unevangelized corpses.
QUOTE (KenBean @ Dec 15 2006, 10:59 PM)
Welcome european.
Don't mind Thai. He is the self appointed arbiter of right and wrong here. He is perfect by the way, so you must have faith in every word he writes or quotes out of context.
Having said that, I am consigned to hell by him also...so don't pay attention to me either.
Above all, don't answer his questions. This site is not the inquisition.
KenBean
Ah, that's what you get for being a voice, crying in the wilderness of amorality. You see, european, these folks claim to be Christians, and can't justify their warmongering. Nah, look at my signature; I'm often wrong, and imperfect, Shirley.
Don't mind Thai. He is the self appointed arbiter of right and wrong here. He is perfect by the way, so you must have faith in every word he writes or quotes out of context.
Having said that, I am consigned to hell by him also...so don't pay attention to me either.
Above all, don't answer his questions. This site is not the inquisition.
KenBean
QUOTE (galloway @ Dec 20 2006, 07:24 AM)
Your stupid attempts to paint me with the same, empty right wing rhetoric as "terrorist sympathizer" is getting old.
I am here for the truth, terrorism has nothing to do with islam. A muslim cannot be a terrorist
Once again I agree. These pretender who claim they are Muslim a ARE NOT MUSLIMS AT ALL.
I mean well know murders and child killers who hide behind children and women, People and groups like, say OBL, Ayman al-Zawahri, all of Al Qeada, the Whabbist, the Pakistan Pustani, the Taliban, Hamas, Hezbollah, the Shia and Sunni Insurgents in Iraq, Iran’s theocratic authoritarian Imams and those Islamic insurgents in Southern Thailand ARE NOT MUSLIMS.
As well as ALL of those fellows, who blew up innocent people in Madrid, London, Bali, Riyadh, Kenya, Israel, Russia, China and in Ethiopia and Somali, CANNOT possibly be Muslims. They are, as you say, pretenders who dress, live, act and exists among Muslims, merely in the shadows adapting to their cultures and ways, to blend in and to confuse both Muslims and non-Muslims. As they these pretenders meander around preaching hate and death in their non-Muslim Madrasas, while hiding among the innocent, ambushing and blowing up innocent people, shoot children down in Russian schools and beheading teachers in Southern Thailand schools in front of their class rooms of children.
Perhaps you should speak to this Cranston Cabal here as he is a quinine cabalist of conspiracy and surely knows who these pretenders are perhaps that factually did these things as they ARE NOT MUSLIM FOR SURE.
I Know Muslims, have some in my Thai family actaully and these fellows I listed are, based on my families of Muslims beliefs and behaviors are surely non-Muslims for sure.
I am here for the truth, terrorism has nothing to do with islam. A muslim cannot be a terrorist
Once again I agree. These pretender who claim they are Muslim a ARE NOT MUSLIMS AT ALL. I mean well know murders and child killers who hide behind children and women, People and groups like, say OBL, Ayman al-Zawahri, all of Al Qeada, the Whabbist, the Pakistan Pustani, the Taliban, Hamas, Hezbollah, the Shia and Sunni Insurgents in Iraq, Iran’s theocratic authoritarian Imams and those Islamic insurgents in Southern Thailand ARE NOT MUSLIMS.
As well as ALL of those fellows, who blew up innocent people in Madrid, London, Bali, Riyadh, Kenya, Israel, Russia, China and in Ethiopia and Somali, CANNOT possibly be Muslims. They are, as you say, pretenders who dress, live, act and exists among Muslims, merely in the shadows adapting to their cultures and ways, to blend in and to confuse both Muslims and non-Muslims. As they these pretenders meander around preaching hate and death in their non-Muslim Madrasas, while hiding among the innocent, ambushing and blowing up innocent people, shoot children down in Russian schools and beheading teachers in Southern Thailand schools in front of their class rooms of children.
Perhaps you should speak to this Cranston Cabal here as he is a quinine cabalist of conspiracy and surely knows who these pretenders are perhaps that factually did these things as they ARE NOT MUSLIM FOR SURE.
I Know Muslims, have some in my Thai family actaully and these fellows I listed are, based on my families of Muslims beliefs and behaviors are surely non-Muslims for sure.
Once again, traitor, instead of regurgitating the standard zion-fascist psychodrama.... the fairytales of "madressa student suicide bombers"... why not just find us proof of your ridiculous arguments?... do the "madressa students hate American redneck freedom" as well?
I know very well that there is no muslim run madressa that "teaches hate".... they usually just teach Qur'an.
Here is some interesting info in the Beslan inncident you are using as propaganda:
http://www.csmonitor.com/2005/0829/p06s01-woeu.html
http://www.jonesreport.com/articles/271106_kgb_murdered.html
http://www.ocnus.net/cgi-bin/exec/view.cgi...e=105&num=26931
I know very well that there is no muslim run madressa that "teaches hate".... they usually just teach Qur'an.
Here is some interesting info in the Beslan inncident you are using as propaganda:
QUOTE
But this picture is challenged by mothers - and many witnesses at Kulayev's trial - who say there were at least 50 attackers, many of whom escaped. The terrorists made use of weapons and supplies that had been prepositioned in the school, suggesting an inside job, they said. Kulayev testified that the first explosion resulted when a Russian sniper killed one of the hostage-takers who was holding down a bomb-detonator with his foot
http://www.csmonitor.com/2005/0829/p06s01-woeu.html
http://www.jonesreport.com/articles/271106_kgb_murdered.html
http://www.ocnus.net/cgi-bin/exec/view.cgi...e=105&num=26931
Maybe there's some 'benefit' to wars such as the one in Iraq. The German Holocaust probably advanced crematory technology. Vietnam taught us how to heal skin burns from napalm. Iraq war will teach us how to treat patients overexposed to (un)depleted uranium.
QUOTE (Fit2BThaied @ Jan 1 2007, 08:35 PM)
Iraq war will teach us how to treat patients overexposed to (un)depleted uranium.
Wrong Again Fit...
The laws of physics will always trump emotional rhetoric.
QUOTE (Nomad @ Jan 1 2007, 08:51 PM)
Nomad... are you being funny or are you a retard? Are you saying that D.U has no hazardous effects on human health?
QUOTE (galloway @ Jan 2 2007, 04:23 AM)
Nomad... are you being funny or are you a retard? Are you saying that D.U has no hazardous effects on human health?
The poisonous legacy of George W. Bush:
http://www.ericblumrich.com/pl_lo.html
Well, I got you guys good with the passport joke. The old saying around we who lived in the mid-east and developed their resources there was:
"Well you know the best words in our U.S. passport are the words on the back of the currency we fold in there to bribe all the corrupt government officials we meet."
Bean
"Well you know the best words in our U.S. passport are the words on the back of the currency we fold in there to bribe all the corrupt government officials we meet."
Bean
QUOTE (KenBean @ Jan 2 2007, 03:08 PM)
Well, I got you guys good with the passport joke. The old saying around we who lived in the mid-east and developed their resources there was:
"Well you know the best words in our U.S. passport are the words on the back of the currency we fold in there to bribe all the corrupt government officials we meet."
Bean
"Well you know the best words in our U.S. passport are the words on the back of the currency we fold in there to bribe all the corrupt government officials we meet."
Bean
That's like Arkansas, a.k.a. Dogpatch, a white trash dump where crooked cops are scamming motorists on phony traffic charges.
QUOTE (d2d2 @ Jan 2 2007, 11:42 PM)
That's like Arkansas, a.k.a. Dogpatch, a white trash dump where crooked cops are scamming motorists on phony traffic charges. Obviously a resident of the Ozarks eh Duh2Dhu?
Many years ago, I was raised in the middle of a speed trap that extended approximately from Corbin Kentucky to Palatka Florida. Some of my relatives were cops who were responsible for keeping that speed trap operating at max revenue capacity. For example, in Benton, Polk County, Tennessee there was one traffic light out at the main highway. It could go from green to red instantly by remote control of a cop waiting for tourists to be scammed. Their attitude was that any of those Michigan or Ohio folks who could afford a Florida vacation should have to pay a fee for protection as they drove through eastern Tennessee. Protection? From what? That's the same kind of thuggery you could get from the mafia.
Now the same thing is happening throughout the "bible belt" in Texas, Oklahoma, Louisiana, Alabama, Mississippi and Tennessee as well as Arkansas. It is called the war on drugs, and it's crooked cops using the law to steal from the public.
I live hundreds of miles from the Ozarks. I drive US 60 through southern Missouri so I don't have to go through Arkansas and risk getting mugged by a cop. Arkansas roads are well known as a revenue scam for thieving law enforcement and a fraudulent judicial system.
Now the same thing is happening throughout the "bible belt" in Texas, Oklahoma, Louisiana, Alabama, Mississippi and Tennessee as well as Arkansas. It is called the war on drugs, and it's crooked cops using the law to steal from the public.
I live hundreds of miles from the Ozarks. I drive US 60 through southern Missouri so I don't have to go through Arkansas and risk getting mugged by a cop. Arkansas roads are well known as a revenue scam for thieving law enforcement and a fraudulent judicial system.
QUOTE (d2d2 @ Jan 3 2007, 10:55 AM)
Many years ago, I was raised in the middle of a speed trap that extended approximately from Corbin Kentucky to Palatka Florida. Some of my relatives were cops who were responsible for keeping that speed trap operating at max revenue capacity. For example, in Benton, Polk County, Tennessee there was one traffic light out at the main highway. It could go from green to red instantly by remote control of a cop waiting for tourists to be scammed. Their attitude was that any of those Michigan or Ohio folks who could afford a Florida vacation should have to pay a fee for protection as they drove through eastern Tennessee. Protection? From what? That's the same kind of thuggery you could get from the mafia.
Now the same thing is happening throughout the "bible belt" in Texas, Oklahoma, Louisiana, Alabama, Mississippi and Tennessee as well as Arkansas. It is called the war on drugs, and it's crooked cops using the law to steal from the public.
I live hundreds of miles from the Ozarks. I drive US 60 through southern Missouri so I don't have to go through Arkansas and risk getting mugged by a cop. Arkansas roads are well known as a revenue scam for thieving law enforcement and a fraudulent judicial system.
Now the same thing is happening throughout the "bible belt" in Texas, Oklahoma, Louisiana, Alabama, Mississippi and Tennessee as well as Arkansas. It is called the war on drugs, and it's crooked cops using the law to steal from the public.
I live hundreds of miles from the Ozarks. I drive US 60 through southern Missouri so I don't have to go through Arkansas and risk getting mugged by a cop. Arkansas roads are well known as a revenue scam for thieving law enforcement and a fraudulent judicial system.
The problem with superiority complex stereotyping is, it shows evidence of stereotypical inferiority of those who would be so presumptuous. It is like assuming the s h I t coming out of the a s s of those from where your from, does nor equally, stink by any measure, than those you assume only stinks by your nasal pomposity.
To Sir with Love.
TUM DII DAI DII, TUM CHUA DAI CHUA!
THA T
IS
ALL!
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The Communalist mindset, An echo, asking a shadow to dance, in a soundless room and a perpetual fog of ambiguity, always assuming substance, but clearly lacking any.-TRADER
QUOTE (Nomad @ Jan 2 2007, 10:51 AM)
Wrong Again Fit...
The laws of physics will always trump emotional rhetoric.
But your URL was not linked to the laws of physics, or some impartial physics source. That was the whitewash by the US Army or the DoD, concerned only with damage to properly trained soldiers in the battlefield. It admits that in the first gulf war, even properly 'trained' soldiers didn't follow their training, and they were at least outfitted with protective gear such as heavy boots. The laws of physics will always trump emotional rhetoric.
Did the US Army indoctrinate the children, old men, and women in Basra or other places in southern Iraq, as to the health hazards? A close friend of mine, as fearless as can be, chose not to go on a trip to Basra (staying in Baghdad, outside the Green Zone) because she didn't want her ovaries subjected to radiation in southern Iraq. She was on a team that begged the occupying coalition forces to get unexploded ordinance out of Iraqi schoolyards, and documented detainee abuse problems such as those finally publicized by Seymour Hersh.
If you, Nomad, don't mind having your local schoolyard and town square littered with unexploded ordinance and depleted uranium, just invite the US Army to dump some on your front lawn, okay?
Hey fit 2
Are you married? to one girl? If so, are you faithful to her? Is she faithful to you? Is she a genuine Christian? Or...does she think you are stupid?
Bean
Are you married? to one girl? If so, are you faithful to her? Is she faithful to you? Is she a genuine Christian? Or...does she think you are stupid?
Bean
QUOTE (KenBean @ Jan 30 2007, 07:02 AM)
Hey fit 2
Are you married? to one girl? If so, are you faithful to her? Is she faithful to you? Is she a genuine Christian? Or...does she think you are stupid?
Bean
Are you married? to one girl? If so, are you faithful to her? Is she faithful to you? Is she a genuine Christian? Or...does she think you are stupid?
Bean
KenBean you kinda missed the mark with FITS. I will not get into it specifically as I think its his business.
But, let us say FITS states he is proudly a converted closet Hetrosexual, ex-military, retired, I think, living in Thailand off his retired military and or IRS US Employee pension, with an long term exwife, a number of grown successful participating children and is now with a long time friend in Thailand.
I do believe he is sincere in his Christian beliefs and advocacy for pacifism though. He has been consistent in that view for a long time...
We have locked horns in many disagreements but I have never found him to be one these I hate America ranters, like some we have had and do still have here, all Americans, some pretending to be something else though.
Just thought you might want know that... Sorry for the intrusion...
Thanks, Trader,.....though I don't know what a converted closet heterosexual is.
Pacifism is just fine....until some pacifist goes to war with me and my grandkids. When that happens, the gloves come off.
Pacifists fight with words and sermons and other nastier forms of combat.
Here...we fight the war of ideas...and Fitz generally uses napalm. I utilize a little humor, a little reality, and a LOT of first-person self-knowledge.
A while back, I read a hilarious first-person account concerning pacifists. This guy just kept open-handed #####-slapping a pacifist until he fought back. Turns out the pacifist beat the popo out of the narrator.
The point the narrator made was that once aroused...pacifists are SCAREY! Well, that's me.
I volonteered for med-evac chopper pilot during the Viet Nam war. I had absolutely no interest in killing "gooks" so I chose to help Americans and our allies get back home safely.
THE BENEFIT OF THE WAR IN IRAQ IS VERY SIMPLE: eXECUTE THE MURDERORS BEFORE THEY COME HERE.
Bean
Pacifism is just fine....until some pacifist goes to war with me and my grandkids. When that happens, the gloves come off.
Pacifists fight with words and sermons and other nastier forms of combat.
Here...we fight the war of ideas...and Fitz generally uses napalm. I utilize a little humor, a little reality, and a LOT of first-person self-knowledge.
A while back, I read a hilarious first-person account concerning pacifists. This guy just kept open-handed #####-slapping a pacifist until he fought back. Turns out the pacifist beat the popo out of the narrator.
The point the narrator made was that once aroused...pacifists are SCAREY! Well, that's me.
I volonteered for med-evac chopper pilot during the Viet Nam war. I had absolutely no interest in killing "gooks" so I chose to help Americans and our allies get back home safely.
THE BENEFIT OF THE WAR IN IRAQ IS VERY SIMPLE: eXECUTE THE MURDERORS BEFORE THEY COME HERE.
Bean
the word xxed out above was b-i-t-c-h or in spanish, beech-slapped...
What it means is that a man wasn't even worth hitting with a closed fist.
Bean
What it means is that a man wasn't even worth hitting with a closed fist.
Bean
ustrader, thanks for those kind and quite accurate words.
And Ken, now that you've explained that you were a med-evac chopper pilot in place of being a "gook-killer," I'm glad to hear that. I have no problem with active duty military being in medical service. In fact, that's how I spent my active duty, teaching medics how to keep people alive.
Don't worry about a true pacifist/active peacemaker going to war with you. They might have been the medics who lifted the wounded soldier into your chopper. They might have convinced the draft board that they were sincerely opposed to all wars, ever, including world wars one and two, so they wouldn't have been in the same place. Oh, my friend Gene spent part of the war in Saigon, as a Mennonite journalist. They found a story and managed to get it published....I think it's spelled My Lai massacre....the same guy Gene sent me to Acteal after that massacre. When my daughter ran into Gene at a Mennonite party, he said, "OH yes, Fit2BThaied, junk food king of the universe!"
Aw shucks now, c'mon, my words cannot be described as napalm. Did I already tell you about my former employee, the ex-Marine fighter pilot who honestly said (without realizing how close he was quoting Apocalypse Now), "I loved to see that napalm explode when we'd drop those bombs...."
And Ken, now that you've explained that you were a med-evac chopper pilot in place of being a "gook-killer," I'm glad to hear that. I have no problem with active duty military being in medical service. In fact, that's how I spent my active duty, teaching medics how to keep people alive.
Don't worry about a true pacifist/active peacemaker going to war with you. They might have been the medics who lifted the wounded soldier into your chopper. They might have convinced the draft board that they were sincerely opposed to all wars, ever, including world wars one and two, so they wouldn't have been in the same place. Oh, my friend Gene spent part of the war in Saigon, as a Mennonite journalist. They found a story and managed to get it published....I think it's spelled My Lai massacre....the same guy Gene sent me to Acteal after that massacre. When my daughter ran into Gene at a Mennonite party, he said, "OH yes, Fit2BThaied, junk food king of the universe!"
Aw shucks now, c'mon, my words cannot be described as napalm. Did I already tell you about my former employee, the ex-Marine fighter pilot who honestly said (without realizing how close he was quoting Apocalypse Now), "I loved to see that napalm explode when we'd drop those bombs...."
In all honesty, Fitz, I must re-state that I volunteered..(warrant officer program/medivac), but was never sworn in. I took and passed the flight physicals, sold my house-trailer, moved my wife in with her folks and waited for my envelope...and waited ...and waited...while I built time flying and improving pilot skills on my own.
The way I recall it, I was supposed to get two envelopes, one inside another. I was to open and obey the orders in tye first, and leave the other one sealed, and to hand it sealed it to my check-in guy at basic.
...never got the envelope. My best guess is that the Army had an adequate supply of WOCs already in the pipeline and the war was winding down.
Most of the "casualties" I saw in the following years were due to accidents in "remote areas" doing building projects...and some of those "accidents" were not accidents.
Let's leave it there.
Ken
The way I recall it, I was supposed to get two envelopes, one inside another. I was to open and obey the orders in tye first, and leave the other one sealed, and to hand it sealed it to my check-in guy at basic.
...never got the envelope. My best guess is that the Army had an adequate supply of WOCs already in the pipeline and the war was winding down.
Most of the "casualties" I saw in the following years were due to accidents in "remote areas" doing building projects...and some of those "accidents" were not accidents.
Let's leave it there.
Ken
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