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Zeb
Powerful must-read document by a former U.S. Serviceman


by Kevin Tillman

Global Research, November 6, 2006



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Kevin Tillman joined the Army with his brother Pat in 2002, and they served together in Iraq and Afghanistan. Pat was killed in Afghanistan on April 22, 2004. Kevin, who was discharged in 2005, has written a powerful, must-read document.

It is Pat's birthday on November 6, and elections are the day after. It gets me thinking about a conversation I had with Pat before we joined the military. He spoke about the risks with signing the papers. How once we committed, we were at the mercy of the American leadership and the American people. How we could be thrown in a direction not of our volition. How fighting as a soldier would leave us without a voice until we got out.

Much has happened since we handed over our voice:

Somehow we were sent to invade a nation because it was a direct threat to the American people, or to the world, or harbored terrorists, or was involved in the September 11 attacks, or received weapons-grade uranium from Niger, or had mobile weapons labs, or WMD, or had a need to be liberated, or we needed to establish a democracy, or stop an insurgency, or stop a civil war we created that can't be called a civil war even though it is. Something like that.

Somehow America has become a country that projects everything that it is not and condemns everything that it is.

Somehow our elected leaders were subverting international law and humanity by setting up secret prisons around the world, secretly kidnapping people, secretly holding them indefinitely, secretly not charging them with anything, secretly torturing them. Somehow that overt policy of torture became the fault of a few "bad apples" in the military.

Somehow back at home, support for the soldiers meant having a five-year-old kindergartener scribble a picture with crayons and send it overseas, or slapping stickers on cars, or lobbying Congress for an extra pad in a helmet. It's interesting that a soldier on his third or fourth tour should care about a drawing from a five-year-old; or a faded sticker on a car as his friends die around him; or an extra pad in a helmet, as if it will protect him when an IED throws his vehicle 50 feet into the air as his body comes apart and his skin melts to the seat.

Somehow the more soldiers that die, the more legitimate the illegal invasion becomes.

Somehow American leadership, whose only credit is lying to its people and illegally invading a nation, has been allowed to steal the courage, virtue and honor of its soldiers on the ground.

Somehow those afraid to fight an illegal invasion decades ago are allowed to send soldiers to die for an illegal invasion they started.

Somehow faking character, virtue and strength is tolerated.

Somehow profiting from tragedy and horror is tolerated.

Somehow the death of tens, if not hundreds, of thousands of people is tolerated.

Somehow subversion of the Bill of Rights and The Constitution is tolerated.

Somehow suspension of Habeas Corpus is supposed to keep this country safe.

Somehow torture is tolerated.

Somehow lying is tolerated.

Somehow reason is being discarded for faith, dogma, and nonsense.

Somehow American leadership managed to create a more dangerous world.

Somehow a narrative is more important than reality.

Somehow America has become a country that projects everything that it is not and condemns everything that it is.

Somehow the most reasonable, trusted and respected country in the world has become one of the most irrational, belligerent, feared, and distrusted countries in the world.

Somehow being politically informed, diligent, and skeptical has been replaced by apathy through active ignorance.

Somehow the same incompetent, narcissistic, virtueless, vacuous, malicious criminals are still in charge of this country.

Somehow this is tolerated.

Somehow nobody is accountable for this.

In a democracy, the policy of the leaders is the policy of the people. So don't be shocked when our grandkids bury much of this generation as traitors to the nation, to the world and to humanity. Most likely, they will come to know that "somehow" was nurtured by fear, insecurity and indifference, leaving the country vulnerable to unchecked, unchallenged parasites.

Luckily this country is still a democracy. People still have a voice. People still can take action. It can start after Pat's birthday.

Brother and Friend of Pat Tillman,

Kevin Tillman
Nomad
Sounds like Kevin has acquired a Sheehan attitude and pussy to match....................................

How about debating with your own words Zeb?

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Zeb
QUOTE (Nomad @ Jan 8 2007, 11:28 PM) *
Sounds like Kevin has acquired a Sheehan attitude and pussy to match....................................

How about debating with your own words Zeb?

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Nomad.............You have nothing to debate with! You have no foundation of truth to stand on. Your silly immature rhetoric is not worth the time. You don't even have the balls to comment on the article put forth, and you want to talk about Sheehan. At least she has the backbone to stand up for this nation, your weak lack of a position is known being a patsy.
Zeb
QUOTE (ustrader @ Apr 26 2007, 01:06 AM) *

ustraitor.....What is the point you are trying to make here?
Zeb
News has recently surface of the cover-up concerning the death of Tillman. He discover this whole war on terror, and the war in Iraq is a fraud. When big business and the banks who sponsor them uses this government to carry out it's aims, what else can this be called but a Government take-over (coup). When patroitism for the constitution is being exploited by those attempting to take-over the Government, and one discovers the deception who would not be extremely outraged? A person like Tillman could have quickly awaken the American populace, and those invoked in treason knew this so he was murdered.
SoloNav
QUOTE (Zeb @ Aug 10 2007, 07:24 PM) *
News has recently surface of the cover-up concerning the death of Tillman. He discover this whole war on terror, and the war in Iraq is a fraud. When big business and the banks who sponsor them uses this government to carry out it's aims, what else can this be called but a Government take-over (coup). When patroitism for the constitution is being exploited by those attempting to take-over the Government, and one discovers the deception who would not be extremely outraged? A person like Tillman could have quickly awaken the American populace, and those invoked in treason knew this so he was murdered.

This isn't news at all, nor has it recently surfaced. Notice the date of this story ..... May 2005.

And, according to this story, seven people have already been punished for this act. I find the outcomes crappy, but it doesn't come close to the governmental cover-up, libs such as yourself are desperately trying to get mileage out of this unfortunate event by making it appear as such.

And, in fact, his family was informed a month after his death of the facts.
Investigating the Death of Pat Tillman
Conspiracy or Inadequate Investigation?
By Sara Smith CLOUT INDEX
http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/1...at_tillman.html
MrLeft
Kevin Tillman proved to me what John Murtha has been saying all along.

This stupid war is useless as a 2 dollar bill. Soldiers dying for nothing and billions of U.S. dollars being wasted instead of building the broken bridges here in the U.S.

QUOTE (Nomad @ Jan 8 2007, 09:28 PM) *
Sounds like Kevin has acquired a Sheehan attitude and pussy to match....................................

How about debating with your own words Zeb?

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You ignorant buffoon.... mad.gif You have no right to even sniff at his military boots. He actually went there and did tours of duty while you sit on your smelly fat ##### being an armchair quarterback for this worthless war we're fighting.
SoloNav
QUOTE (MrLeft @ Aug 11 2007, 10:53 AM) *
Kevin Tillman proved to me what John Murtha has been saying all along.

This stupid war is useless as a 2 dollar bill. Soldiers dying for nothing and billions of U.S. dollars being wasted instead of building the broken bridges here in the U.S.
You ignorant buffoon.... mad.gif You have no right to even sniff at his military boots. He actually went there and did tours of duty while you sit on your smelly fat ##### being an armchair quarterback for this worthless war we're fighting.

You all are related?

Regarding the rest of your post, Murtha is an ignorant traitor and should be so treated. I believe there are some that are asking that he be censored. I agree. ph34r.gif

BTW, do you know the latest news is that even some libs are saying we are winning?

It's sad that libs fear victory in the WOT more than they do the terrorists, and view it (hoping that we fail) as just a stepping stone to the White House.
Boh Bpen Yang
Let us not forget that there is a big picture. Iraq is a battle that mustn't be lost but it is not the war. It is no more the war than the battle for the pacific was in WWII but loss would have been critical to the outcome of the overall war. This is a hard, widespread, so far, clandestine theater of war. Iraq at total peace is not the end of the war. It is only an area of operation secured.

If we surrender this point, the death toll will rise to proportions I dont' think you can imagine or possibly even suspect. If you don't believe me, keep fighting the weak fight and get your 'pull out now' folks voted in. When you say to yourself "I really supported that?" it will be too late.

Look what happened when we temporarily left the Phillipines in WWII. Our own casualties doubled by having to fight the same field twice, but the Phillipinos that died... hard to picture.

I clearly understand a persons distaste for war. One would have to be insane to enjoy the flavor. Some pills are bitter.
Zeb
QUOTE (SoloNav @ Aug 11 2007, 02:07 PM) *
You all are related?

Regarding the rest of your post, Murtha is an ignorant traitor and should be so treated. I believe there are some that are asking that he be censored. I agree. ph34r.gif

BTW, do you know the latest news is that even some libs are saying we are winning?

It's sad that libs fear victory in the WOT more than they do the terrorists, and view it (hoping that we fail) as just a stepping stone to the White House.




Solonav........The traitors are people involved in staging the whole 9-11 scheme to propagate the bogus perception that they are the heroes saving and protecting America. The fact is that nothing could be further from the truth; they are undermining and attempting to overthrow the American government from within!

9-11 was engineered by the treasonist for extremely nefarious purposes. Speaking of censoring a sitting congressman shows the mentally of those who hate true freedom and democracy while claiming to be giving it to other nations. This communist Bolshevik attitude has surfaced from you enemies of the American constitution who hate freedom and really want American exploitation; wholesale.

Talking about being related… all those who have the same backward logic are apparently suffering from this condition called "Madness". The evils schemes hatched by these greedy political demons can never work, and will never work. What they will do is destroy peace and freedom for everyone.

All the war mongers and chicken hawks were told before the war not to attack Iraq. But the international bankers and corporate interest hijacked the American government into this failed war with Iraq, which benefits only big business and the bankers at the expense of our constitution and the American people.

Exploitation is all the corporate banking beast knows or understands, and all the bloodshed, chaos, and carnage is welcomed by these sub-human animals. As long as money is being horded from the American treasury they could not care less how many men, women and children suffer and die on both sides of the Afgan and Iraqi wars. Two world wars and the American Civil war are the results of their manipulation and instagation.

They (bankers/Talmudist) only appear to be human, having the ability to think, and having no humanity they are actually worst then animals. They want to reduce all humanity to their level, by making wars, because they get rich from wars and always wants to take from others rights, natural resources and freedom. They force people to take up arms in self defense against their exploitation.

The backward reverse psychology claiming everyone but the exploiters/bankers are terrorist, and the notion anyone standing in self defense of their families and country are terrorist are corporate news media lies pushed by all those who hate freedom.

The exploiters are the ones who create the need for militias when they try and take land, and natural resources to control and enslave the people. Research Big business in South American this will provide excellent examples of the banker’s number one agenda “exploitation” of the government and the people. Those who cannot see 9-11 as being the banker’s overt push to take over the American government are politically immature, or sold-out traitors.
Nomad
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All the war mongers and chicken hawks were told before the war not to attack Iraq. But the international bankers and corporate interest hijacked the American government into this failed war with Iraq, which benefits only big business and the bankers at the expense of our constitution and the American people.


OK, nice rant. Got any SPECIFICS to back up your allegations??????????????

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SoloNav
Zeb, your post does not even merit a reply.
Fit2BThaied
Agreeing with SoloNav and Nomad on this one.
Boh Bpen Yang
Zeb, you seem quite sincere about your opinions. Is it possible that you would wish to join the good fight? Strap on an explosive vest and meet the innocents that they seem to perceive as their enemy.

Thinking about your down to their level reference. Do you know up and down? Positive and negative? Better and worse? What are you saying, "Living under Tyrranical rule, because that is what it would be, is better than what we have now."? Really unsure.gif ? Those are your current choices..unless you choose to start your own war, because one side will win. That winner is what we will have to live with. I still...Really unsure.gif blink.gif huh.gif ????
Zeb
QUOTE (Nomad @ Aug 14 2007, 11:16 PM) *
OK, nice rant. Got any SPECIFICS to back up your allegations??????????????

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Nomad.........Are you sure you can handle specifics? The original article is loaded with specifics; however your point and purpose here has nothing to do with the specifics. You want to try to pretend all that’s been posted is some foreign incomprehensible language. Your purpose is to try to lure Americans away from the undeniable facts, just as the corporate news media tries to do.

1. What happen to the trillions of dollars missing from the treasury since the last administration left a surplus? The amount is something like 7 trillion. At the same time in places like Chicago and many other places in the United States we have the biggest building construction boom ever witnesses. In the past people like Herod also had similar ways of financing construction.
2. Just two major chicken hawks GWB, and Cheney for example are oil men; is this not true? No bid contracts given to the companies such as Hariburton are a conflict of interest as big as the planet Jupiter, this is known as big-time corruption.
3. Explosive were planted through out the twin towers before the implosions, this being a staged overt push to have a bogus reason for two wars. Revenue gained from wars benefits who ? Answer: The greedy Talmudist bankers and big business.
4. The corporate news media has never revealed the fact that flight 77’s wreckage was not found at the pentagon crime scene.
5. The Federal Reserve Bank is really private owed international bankers, never audited by the government, looting the American Government through “usury” into the forfeiture of sovereignty.


All the specific details of treason are too much to list. Vote stealing machines provided by the corporations is an attempt to erase American democracy, freedom, and accountability from government. The war in Iraq is unconstitutional and fought based on business deals reneged on by Saddam. Corruption has reached an all- time high, and it’s all designed to undermine the American people, the American constitution, and freedom.



QUOTE (Boh Bpen Yang @ Aug 15 2007, 09:32 AM) *
Zeb, you seem quite sincere about your opinions. Is it possible that you would wish to join the good fight? Strap on an explosive vest and meet the innocents that they seem to perceive as their enemy.

Thinking about your down to their level reference. Do you know up and down? Positive and negative? Better and worse? What are you saying, "Living under Tyrranical rule, because that is what it would be, is better than what we have now."? Really unsure.gif ? Those are your current choices..unless you choose to start your own war, because one side will win. That winner is what we will have to live with. I still...Really unsure.gif blink.gif huh.gif ????



Solonav…………You must have been reading this twisted mixed up bone-headed stupidly, that doesn’t merit a response.
Boh Bpen Yang
QUOTE (Zeb @ Aug 17 2007, 02:51 AM) *
Solonav…………You must have been reading this twisted mixed up bone-headed stupidly, that doesn’t merit a response.

I had to dig deep to find any response at all to what you posted. Sorry if it doesn't meet your standards. You want to talk twisted... Don't you think that someone in a position and with enough magic to pull off the conspiracy that you seem to believe (911 and that sort) would be able to find some WMD to tie up a loose end? Come on. I would suggest that you put just a small amount of logic into your thought process and a lot less input from other sources. They say the trouble with an open mind is it allows just about anyone to pour just about anything in. I think you got some of that. Think for yourself once in a while why don't you.

The bold is a discussion point the rest is just wasted space as per your template.
Fit2BThaied
As long as we're wasting time here with little better to do, apparently, I'll tackle his point #1 about the trillions in the treasury.

A surplus only occurs on a year to year basis, about once every 30 years. The surplus that Clinton and Congress managed to pull off (perhaps even without SS funds bailing them out) vanished faster than you can say, "George W. Bush and a spendthrift congress." There has not been any money in the 'treasury' since before the first world war. There is simply more and more trillions of debt. It tends to accumulate fasted when Republicans are in the White House, thanks to Congress.

In other words, Zeb, Clinton didn't leave behind a 'surplus' except on a year to year basis. Your claim is as bogus as your anti-Semitic rants that started ringing hollow during the liberation of Auschwitz.
Zeb
QUOTE (Boh Bpen Yang @ Aug 17 2007, 04:42 PM) *
I had to dig deep to find any response at all to what you posted. Sorry if it doesn't meet your standards. You want to talk twisted... Don't you think that someone in a position and with enough magic to pull off the conspiracy that you seem to believe (911 and that sort) would be able to find some WMD to tie up a loose end? Come on. I would suggest that you put just a small amount of logic into your thought process and a lot less input from other sources. They say the trouble with an open mind is it allows just about anyone to pour just about anything in. I think you got some of that. Think for yourself once in a while why don't you.

The bold is a discussion point the rest is just wasted space as per your template.



Boh Bpen Yang/BOZO........What on earth does a sold-out cult member know about logic? It would have been quite interesting to see the response from the world if they would had also faked the discovery of Some WMD's. That could have been what it took to blow this whole 9-11 stunt for the Iraqi war wide open....They knew it.

You of all people trying to talk about logic, isn't logic the first thing you cult members lose when your kissing up to those who have you parroting their twisted rhetoric? Isn't it the weak propaganda they have poured into your frail brainwashed minds having you operate like kept women?

Coming from a pion such as yourself the statement: "Think for yourself once in a while why don't you" is an extreme insult to everyone who's thinking is not controlled and enslaved such as yours....Bozo.

I don't know who you are, but the stench of warped twisted rhetoric stinks really bad.
SoloNav
QUOTE (Zeb @ Aug 18 2007, 06:22 PM) *
Boh Bpen Yang/BOZO........What on earth does a sold-out cult member know about logic?
Good way to win friends and influence........well, you know what I mean.
QUOTE
....cult members lose when your kissing up to those who have you parroting their twisted rhetoric? Isn't it the weak propaganda they have poured into your frail brainwashed minds having you operate like kept women?
Have you heard of projection? Yours is the worst I've seen in a while.

You do realize that the majority, if not all, members on this forum, think it is you that belongs to the cult and that has been brainwashed..........well, you know what I mean.

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Coming from a pion such as yourself the statement: "Think for yourself once in a while why don't you" is an extreme insult to everyone who's thinking is not controlled and enslaved such as yours....Bozo.
Ditto

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I don't know who you are, but the stench of warped twisted rhetoric stinks really bad.
If you don't know who he is, then, why did you say "you of all people........." and a "pion such as yourself" ? 'cuse me, but you just aren't making much sense here, Jeb. Of course, none of this rant of yours has. And, yes, another instance of projection.

Everything you've said is what you appear to be to some, if not all, it would seem. Projection.
Zeb
SoloNav.........Somehow I always knew you were a Kook.
SoloNav
QUOTE (Zeb @ Aug 18 2007, 06:46 PM) *
SoloNav.........Somehow I always knew you were a Kook.

Ditto. laugh.gif
Grizzly
QUOTE ("Zeb")
...Somehow that overt policy of torture became the fault of a few "bad apples" in the military...
Well, let's face it Zeb; this sort of practice makes it easier to hide the poor mismanagement at the top of the ladder; let's always blame the underling for this, but at the same time let's support him/her while they serve. rolleyes.gif
Grizzly
QUOTE (Zeb @ Apr 25 2007, 03:31 PM) *
Nomad.............You have nothing to debate with! You have no foundation of truth to stand on. Your silly immature rhetoric is not worth the time. You don't even have the balls to comment on the article put forth, and you want to talk about Sheehan. At least she has the backbone to stand up for this nation, your weak lack of a position is known being a patsy.

Zeb: Nomad's rhetoric has not changed and probably never will. Nomad has something in common with people like Ann Coulter--I'm truly amazed that he hasn't tried to accuse Kevin of trying to profit off of this! 021.gif 035.gif
Boh Bpen Yang
QUOTE (Zeb @ Aug 19 2007, 01:22 AM) *
Boh Bpen Yang/BOZO........What on earth does a sold-out cult member know about logic? It would have been quite interesting to see the response from the world if they would had also faked the discovery of Some WMD's. That could have been what it took to blow this whole 9-11 stunt for the Iraqi war wide open....They knew it.

You of all people trying to talk about logic, isn't logic the first thing you cult members lose when your kissing up to those who have you parroting their twisted rhetoric? Isn't it the weak propaganda they have poured into your frail brainwashed minds having you operate like kept women?

Coming from a pion such as yourself the statement: "Think for yourself once in a while why don't you" is an extreme insult to everyone who's thinking is not controlled and enslaved such as yours....Bozo.

I don't know who you are, but the stench of warped twisted rhetoric stinks really bad.

You are right you don't know me and your assumptions are miles away from reality, confirming my opinion of you. I don't see where you have posted one single original thought. Don't lecture me about cults. If others weren't telling you what to think I am worried that you may actually starve to death. Show me something besides insults and inuendo. Prove me wrong. Please, let me know what you think... all the way to a conclusion. Do you think that I believe US and most other Western Governments are blameless? Do you think I believe anything but the status quo would be better than what we now have to live with (like you insinuate you believe)? What the #$%^ do you think? Show me!!!! Don't just rant.

Edit: Aferthought... If they would have found twenty nuclear weapons armed and ready you wouldn't have believed it... Am I right?
Zeb
QUOTE (Boh Bpen Yang @ Aug 19 2007, 11:11 AM) *
You are right you don't know me and your assumptions are miles away from reality, confirming my opinion of you. I don't see where you have posted one single original thought. Don't lecture me about cults. If others weren't telling you what to think I am worried that you may actually starve to death. Show me something besides insults and inuendo. Prove me wrong. Please, let me know what you think... all the way to a conclusion. Do you think that I believe US and most other Western Governments are blameless? Do you think I believe anything but the status quo would be better than what we now have to live with (like you insinuate you believe)? What the #$%^ do you think? Show me!!!! Don't just rant.

Edit: Aferthought... If they would have found twenty nuclear weapons armed and ready you wouldn't have believed it... Am I right?



Boh Bpen Yang........Don't know you, and don't want to know you, however based on the garbage that you have posted I do know your type and purpose. It's really quite elementary, you cult members try to always lure Americans away from the facts, and evidence. You wrote "Show me!!!" Reality is something people such yourself show yourselfs to be clueless about. You have not demostrated based on your writing that you have basic common sense!

How then can you expect for anyone to show you anything? It's comparable to showing a block of wood how to tap dance....it simply will not happen; brainwashed individuals cannot comprehend facts and evidence (until deprogramed). With all that has been posted you want sidetrack things by your irelevant fringe issues..........Is this not your purpose?

The stupid bone-headed afterthought about "If they would have found".......Are you listeninig to some kind of fairy in your head telling you things..... things you are confusing with realty? The fact is no WMD's were found and the present adminstration is involved in treason for 9-11, and lying this country into war using the Government and all it's resources including soldiers for wicked, greedy, corporate/banking ambitions.

Take a good look the countries of South America and all the trouble the bankers/corporations have caused for these Governments. You seem to think it's some kind of game in allowing these animals to kill thousands of innocent Americans by the 9-11 attack, in hyjacking the N.S.A. and dismantling the American Constitution in order to take over this government as they do in South America and other places.

You wrote: "Do you think that I believe US and most other Western Governments are blameless?" You would be better served by focusing on the lawlessness or this country, for criminals have no ethics or humanity. The things they (bankers/corporations) are doing in Iraq and South America they are also preparing to do the same things here, and even worst...........You snooze...You lose and all the fluoride in the drinking water, and the corporate media is designed to adversely condition our citizens, and catch the American people snoozing.
Boh Bpen Yang
QUOTE (Zeb @ Aug 20 2007, 03:27 AM) *
Boh Bpen Yang........Don't know you, and don't want to know you, however based on the garbage that you have posted I do know your type and purpose. It's really quite elementary, you cult members try to always lure Americans away from the facts, and evidence. You wrote "Show me!!!" Reality is something people such yourself show yourselfs to be clueless about. You have not demostrated based on your writing that you have basic common sense!

How then can you expect for anyone to show you anything? It's comparable to showing a block of wood how to tap dance....it simply will not happen; brainwashed individuals cannot comprehend facts and evidence (until deprogramed). With all that has been posted you want sidetrack things by your irelevant fringe issues..........Is this not your purpose?

The stupid bone-headed afterthought about "If they would have found".......Are you listeninig to some kind of fairy in your head telling you things..... things you are confusing with realty? The fact is no WMD's were found and the present adminstration is involved in treason for 9-11, and lying this country into war using the Government and all it's resources including soldiers for wicked, greedy, corporate/banking ambitions.

Take a good look the countries of South America and all the trouble the bankers/corporations have caused for these Governments. You seem to think it's some kind of game in allowing these animals to kill thousands of innocent Americans by the 9-11 attack, in hyjacking the N.S.A. and dismantling the American Constitution in order to take over this government as they do in South America and other places.

You wrote: "Do you think that I believe US and most other Western Governments are blameless?" You would be better served by focusing on the lawlessness or this country, for criminals have no ethics or humanity. The things they (bankers/corporations) are doing in Iraq and South America they are also preparing to do the same things here, and even worst...........You snooze...You lose and all the fluoride in the drinking water, and the corporate media is designed to adversely condition our citizens, and catch the American people snoozing.


Ok I get it. I see now. Don't waste your time reading any of my naive, ignorant posts. You are so enlightened (by something) that I am blinded by your brilliance. That is why I didn't see your very obvious point before. It was overwhelmed by your brilliance. It's so simple... if it is possible to think then it must be true. Regardless of the evidence, you are right... Click here... I see now how you came to your spectacular conclusion. Awesome...wow I never would have thought of that. What an eye opener. BTW I don't usually research websites to draw my conclusions but I thought what the hey I have google lets see what pops up and low and behold... I MEAN WOOOW!!!!!! You are so smart. You are so bright I bet your mom called you sun.
SoloNav
QUOTE (Boh Bpen Yang @ Aug 20 2007, 03:22 PM) *
Ok I get it. I see now. Don't waste your time reading any of my naive, ignorant posts. You are so enlightened (by something) that I am blinded by your brilliance. That is why I didn't see your very obvious point before. It was overwhelmed by your brilliance. It's so simple... if it is possible to think then it must be true. Regardless of the evidence, you are right... Click here... I see now how you came to your spectacular conclusion. Awesome...wow I never would have thought of that. What an eye opener. BTW I don't usually research websites to draw my conclusions but I thought what the hey I have google lets see what pops up and low and behold... I MEAN WOOOW!!!!!! You are so smart. You are so bright I bet your mom called you sun.

As I remember correctly, Jeb was pretty much ignored when this place had more posters, because of the outlandish/spamming quality of his posts.


The conspiracists do not like to see the pictures of plane wreckage/parts on the grounds of the Pentagon which would disprove at least one of their claims that what hit the Pentagon was a rocket, not a plane.
Zeb
QUOTE (Boh Bpen Yang @ Aug 20 2007, 05:22 PM) *
Ok I get it. I see now. Don't waste your time reading any of my naive, ignorant posts. You are so enlightened (by something) that I am blinded by your brilliance. That is why I didn't see your very obvious point before. It was overwhelmed by your brilliance. It's so simple... if it is possible to think then it must be true. Regardless of the evidence, you are right... Click here... I see now how you came to your spectacular conclusion. Awesome...wow I never would have thought of that. What an eye opener. BTW I don't usually research websites to draw my conclusions but I thought what the hey I have google lets see what pops up and low and behold... I MEAN WOOOW!!!!!! You are so smart. You are so bright I bet your mom called you sun.



Boh Bpen Yang/Bozo,
It’s a matter of fact that even school children under the age of ten when told flight 77 crashed into the pentagon, and given a photo of that particular 9-11 act of treason will ask “where’s the plane”? Flattering yourself with the warped notion that the terrorist within this country (financed by the bankers), who planted explosives throughout the twin towers and WTC building 7, committing despicable acts of treason were so brilliant is far from reality.

You assume far too much if it’s your position that it takes some extraordinary intelligence to recognize how the bankers and big business are working to overthrow the American Government……… Good old common sense is all that’s required.


You must be assuming it takes some sort of genius to “understand” the things happening under the tyranny of GWB……………….. nothing could be further from the truth. In terms of 9-11 the vast majority of the people even with a minimal knowledge of politics arrived at the understanding of treachery instinctively.

On September 11, 2001 it was the corporate news media being used to try and circumvent what people worldwide instinctively knew was a deliberate act. The deception from the corporate media goes on to this very day! The “shock and awl” of 9-11 was designed to psychologically traumatize the people leaving them in a “vulnerable state” less capable of rational, well reasoned thinking. (It’s called terrorism)

While in this “vulnerable state of mind” the terrorist quickly moved to implement legislation designed to take away constitutional rights, privacy, and freedom from Americans. The bogus label place on the Tyranny Act one and two is a “premeditated assault” on the freedoms of Americans, and the Constitution.

The strangeness of how quickly the complex patriot act (Tyranny Act) was formulated after 9-11 despite all that was going on at that time was not overlooked. The swift formulation of the so-called department of homeland security, and the people (absent of any qualifications) chosen to run this multi purpose government agency was not overlooked. The hijacking of the N.S.A., privatization, and the abuse of executive orders speaks volumes in terms of the overthrow of the America government.

The rush to gain support for two wars (that benefits only the bankers) while the effects of 9-11 still lingered, was methodically carried out in a way only true terrorist would understand how to exploit. All the moves made by the Bush administration to override and ignore American law by those who understand the psychologically numbing effects of the “shock and awl” of terrorism have been carried out by the (puppet) Bush administration.

GWB really works for big business and the bankers who provide all the financing, the bankers allowed to print the Governments money. (Large payments of Bribe Money is no problem, along with Usury, and the corruption J.P. Morgan spoke of confirms the source of the treason.)
Boh Bpen Yang
QUOTE (Zeb @ Aug 25 2007, 12:37 AM) *
Boh Bpen Yang/Bozo,
It’s a matter of fact that even school children under the age of ten when told flight 77 crashed into the pentagon, and given a photo of that particular 9-11 act of treason will ask “where’s the plane”? Flattering yourself with the warped notion that the terrorist within this country (financed by the bankers), who planted explosives throughout the twin towers and WTC building 7, committing despicable acts of treason were so brilliant is far from reality.

You assume far too much if it’s your position that it takes some extraordinary intelligence to recognize how the bankers and big business are working to overthrow the American Government……… Good old common sense is all that’s required.


You must be assuming it takes some sort of genius to “understand” the things happening under the tyranny of GWB……………….. nothing could be further from the truth. In terms of 9-11 the vast majority of the people even with a minimal knowledge of politics arrived at the understanding of treachery instinctively.

On September 11, 2001 it was the corporate news media being used to try and circumvent what people worldwide instinctively knew was a deliberate act. The deception from the corporate media goes on to this very day! The “shock and awl” of 9-11 was designed to psychologically traumatize the people leaving them in a “vulnerable state” less capable of rational, well reasoned thinking. (It’s called terrorism)

While in this “vulnerable state of mind” the terrorist quickly moved to implement legislation designed to take away constitutional rights, privacy, and freedom from Americans. The bogus label place on the Tyranny Act one and two is a “premeditated assault” on the freedoms of Americans, and the Constitution.

The strangeness of how quickly the complex patriot act (Tyranny Act) was formulated after 9-11 despite all that was going on at that time was not overlooked. The swift formulation of the so-called department of homeland security, and the people (absent of any qualifications) chosen to run this multi purpose government agency was not overlooked. The hijacking of the N.S.A., privatization, and the abuse of executive orders speaks volumes in terms of the overthrow of the America government.

The rush to gain support for two wars (that benefits only the bankers) while the effects of 9-11 still lingered, was methodically carried out in a way only true terrorist would understand how to exploit. All the moves made by the Bush administration to override and ignore American law by those who understand the psychologically numbing effects of the “shock and awl” of terrorism have been carried out by the (puppet) Bush administration.

GWB really works for big business and the bankers who provide all the financing, the bankers allowed to print the Governments money. (Large payments of Bribe Money is no problem, along with Usury, and the corruption J.P. Morgan spoke of confirms the source of the treason.)


OK Zeb/Bubbles

You have put me into a niche to which I don’t belong. I have long known of the degradation of the Constitution. The Federal Reserve could have owned this country long ago, before either of us was born, were it not for the second amendment. But I think you direct your anger in the wrong direction. It is those on the left that steadily chip away, and have for so long, at that amazing document you raise as your banner. GWB is in their way, hence the hate and venomous spew that flies from them and you so eagerly absorb. The acts since 911, some with which I disagree, are not nearly so dangerous to our continued existence as those pre 911 moves by congress that have weakened us (as a people) and made us (as a people) dependent on the government for every little thing. You assume I am a blind idiot when in reality it is you who is deceived by simple parlor tricks while applauding in amazement. At the same time you decry happenings that could truly destroy us. It is you my friend that are being used to help destroy this land and its supporting document.
Zeb
QUOTE (Boh Bpen Yang @ Aug 25 2007, 08:41 AM) *
OK Zeb/Bubbles

You have put me into a niche to which I don’t belong. I have long known of the degradation of the Constitution. The Federal Reserve could have owned this country long ago, before either of us was born, were it not for the second amendment. But I think you direct your anger in the wrong direction. It is those on the left that steadily chip away, and have for so long, at that amazing document you raise as your banner. GWB is in their way, hence the hate and venomous spew that flies from them and you so eagerly absorb. The acts since 911, some with which I disagree, are not nearly so dangerous to our continued existence as those pre 911 moves by congress that have weakened us (as a people) and made us (as a people) dependent on the government for every little thing. You assume I am a blind idiot when in reality it is you who is deceived by simple parlor tricks while applauding in amazement. At the same time you decry happenings that could truly destroy us. It is you my friend that are being used to help destroy this land and its supporting document.



Bozo............You spies and propagandist aways get things backward this signiture trait is very useful in spotting the soldout, brainwashed, or Benedict Arnold traitors including the current illegitimate president. You try and speak as through your an American, however your methods are confirmation of your true agenda and wicked purposes.
Fit2BThaied
Zeb,

Barazawazickypook the infidelityishnitiipat, because the vandals stole the handles.
Boh Bpen Yang
QUOTE (Zeb @ Aug 28 2007, 01:17 AM) *
Bozo............You spies and propagandist aways get things backward this signiture trait is very useful in spotting the soldout, brainwashed, or Benedict Arnold traitors including the current illegitimate president. You try and speak as through your an American, however your methods are confirmation of your true agenda and wicked purposes.

I can't believe it took me this long to realize you are insane.
SoloNav
QUOTE (Boh Bpen Yang @ Aug 31 2007, 07:12 PM) *
I can't believe it took me this long to realize you are insane.

Yep. Finally you catch on. laugh.gif
Zeb
QUOTE (Boh Bpen Yang @ Aug 31 2007, 09:12 PM) *
I can't believe it took me this long to realize you are insane.



BOZO............When suffering from madness ones whole world is mentally warped, and twisted. Being insane and being mad are closely related for in both states of mind one has lost an coherent grasp of reality. People in this sad state get things backward. For example tyranny is called patriotism (as in patriot act I+II}, terrorism is called bringing freedom and liberty, and treason is seen as strong leadership. People suffering from madness see truth as falsehoods and falsehoods as truth.

People who are insane really don't know their insane. The same is true for people suffering from madness, they don't know they are mad. The major difference in the two conditions is that people who are mad harm thousands, hundred thousands, or millions of people while those who are insane usually harm themselves more then anyone else. The madness of the individuals now in control of the American government must be recognized, and they must be removed from office before they do something far more harmful then 9-11.

And make no mistake all the facts confirm that 9-11 was done by madmen from within the government. Madman only get worst and the former mayor of New York being the president of the United States would be a disaster. At the same time the madness of those in and linked to the (puppet) Bush administration may be compelled to do something incredible stupid to prolong it's tyrannical rule..........you lame propagandist also fit the profile.
Boh Bpen Yang
QUOTE (Zeb @ Sep 5 2007, 02:35 AM) *
BOZO............When suffering from madness ones whole world is mentally warped, and twisted. Being insane and being mad are closely related for in both states of mind one has lost an (any or a) coherent grasp of reality. People in this sad state get things backward. For example tyranny is called patriotism (as in patriot act I+II}, terrorism is called bringing freedom and liberty, and treason is seen as strong leadership. People suffering from madness see truth as falsehoods and falsehoods as truth.

People who are insane really don't know their (they're) insane. The same is true for people suffering from madness, they don't know they are mad. The major difference in the two conditions is that people who are mad harm thousands, hundred (s of) thousands, or millions of people while those who are insane usually harm themselves more then anyone else. The madness of the individuals now in control of the American government must be recognized, and they must be removed from office before they do something far more harmful then (than) 9-11.

And make no mistake all the facts confirm that 9-11 was done by madmen from within the government. (Don't believe it) Madman only get worst (worse) and the former mayor of New York being the president of the United States would be a disaster. At the same time the madness of those in and linked to the (puppet) Bush administration may be compelled to do something incredible stupid to prolong it's tyrannical rule..........you lame propagandist also fit the profile.


My vociferous, mentally challenged derriere. Believe one thing, if that's possible. I understand what you are saying. I don't totally disagree. What do you propose be done about it? What is the option? Maybe we can discuss that without wild assumptions and, frankly, fantasy.
Zeb
QUOTE (Boh Bpen Yang @ Sep 5 2007, 08:26 PM) *
My vociferous, mentally challenged derriere. Believe one thing, if that's possible. I understand what you are saying. I don't totally disagree. What do you propose be done about it? What is the option? Maybe we can discuss that without wild assumptions and, frankly, fantasy.



If you really want to know the answer.....Read "The War on Terror looks like a Fraud"
Boh Bpen Yang
QUOTE (Zeb @ Oct 6 2007, 08:39 PM) *
If you really want to know the answer.....Read "The War on Terror looks like a Fraud"

I am not a naive person. I know war is not the same as 'playing nice'. I want to know what YOU think, not what you repeat of others thoughts. What are your solutions to the multitude of inhialation type happenings which you point out that others have pointed out. What would you have the people of the world unite and do? Armed revolution... or are arms not allowed in your view of perfection, and if so against what? Peaceful demonstrations... if so, against what? Join the Jihad? That was a joke because surely you see the designs for power and world domination sought by the Caliphate boys. Since designs for power seem to be your rival in this debate, how can you choose any side? Becasue that is what it always is.

I have been lied to before, often, and I will be lied to again, often. The thinking person continues their life in a conscious, thoughtful direction, in spite of these things, and does not obsess on the fact of the deception but looks into the motivation of it and chooses whether the underlying causes are justified and acceptable.

Your reference material would be chock full of lies, at least, misinformation. How do you control the desire to suspect alterior motive in that? Is it that you blindly believe because it supports your original, mind altering, contention that Israel is trying to take over the world via the Free Masons, Priory of Zion, Knights Templar, Rosacrucians, Skull and Bones, Builderburg Group, Romanian Gypsies, etc etc etc.

No matter what I say, the words will still come from my thoughts and not yours. This would be no different than reading one of your research novels. Until you realise that your desicion to oppose one thing inevitably is a decision to support another you will not be making a clear choice. You don't seem to be supporting anything which is what leads me to believe that you have not thought this through. You are only obsessing of the fact that you feel betrayed by some lie while at the same time disregarding all of the other lies that are hurled at us from ALL directions every single day.
Fit2BThaied
Boh, you know he's insane, so why bother trying to talk to him? It's good stuff you're writing, but maybe you have too much spare time, as I do, to be posting on a website frequented by only a few people outside the insane asylum. I don't mean to say that Zeb is a pig, but you know what Jesus said about casting pearls before swine.
Zeb
QUOTE (Fit2BThaied @ Oct 7 2007, 12:01 AM) *
Boh, you know he's insane, so why bother trying to talk to him? It's good stuff you're writing, but maybe you have too much spare time, as I do, to be posting on a website frequented by only a few people outside the insane asylum. I don't mean to say that Zeb is a pig, but you know what Jesus said about casting pearls before swine.


Reprobates Always have things Backward.
Zeb
QUOTE (Boh Bpen Yang @ Oct 6 2007, 07:48 PM) *
I am not a naive person. I know war is not the same as 'playing nice'. I want to know what YOU think, not what you repeat of others thoughts. What are your solutions to the multitude of inhialation type happenings which you point out that others have pointed out. What would you have the people of the world unite and do? Armed revolution... or are arms not allowed in your view of perfection, and if so against what? Peaceful demonstrations... if so, against what? Join the Jihad? That was a joke because surely you see the designs for power and world domination sought by the Caliphate boys. Since designs for power seem to be your rival in this debate, how can you choose any side? Becasue that is what it always is.

I have been lied to before, often, and I will be lied to again, often. The thinking person continues their life in a conscious, thoughtful direction, in spite of these things, and does not obsess on the fact of the deception but looks into the motivation of it and chooses whether the underlying causes are justified and acceptable.

Your reference material would be chock full of lies, at least, misinformation. How do you control the desire to suspect alterior motive in that? Is it that you blindly believe because it supports your original, mind altering, contention that Israel is trying to take over the world via the Free Masons, Priory of Zion, Knights Templar, Rosacrucians, Skull and Bones, Builderburg Group, Romanian Gypsies, etc etc etc.

No matter what I say, the words will still come from my thoughts and not yours. This would be no different than reading one of your research novels. Until you realise that your desicion to oppose one thing inevitably is a decision to support another you will not be making a clear choice. You don't seem to be supporting anything which is what leads me to believe that you have not thought this through. You are only obsessing of the fact that you feel betrayed by some lie while at the same time disregarding all of the other lies that are hurled at us from ALL directions every single day.


Common sense is such a underrated virtue....Yes it can be called a virtue for in these times without it one never seems to understand how the pieces fit together. Focusing on the source of the problem and reasoning one's way to the facts based on evidence reveals much. This however is not for everyone, and for those reserved for eternity within the bowels of the earth the reward is well desired. If you want to talk about pain..those who find themselves there will understand what pain is; death is not an option. In that day Satan and the demons will be visible, and all the restrictions concerning the infliction of pain will be erased. "Forever" is something very horrible for those who's destiny has been determined... As an immortal you will understand perfectly.
Boh Bpen Yang
QUOTE (Zeb @ Oct 8 2007, 02:19 AM) *
Common sense is such a underrated virtue....Yes it can be called a virtue for in these times without it one never seems to understand how the pieces fit together. Focusing on the source of the problem and reasoning one's way to the facts based on evidence reveals much. This however is not for everyone, and for those reserved for eternity within the bowels of the earth the reward is well desired. If you want to talk about pain..those who find themselves there will understand what pain is; death is not an option. In that day Satan and the demons will be visible, and all the restrictions concerning the infliction of pain will be erased. "Forever" is something very horrible for those who's destiny has been determined... As an immortal you will understand perfectly.

Wow!!! Where did that come from?

For all living things, life is suffering - Buddha

Judge not, lest ye be judged.

You are right and repeatedly confirm...Common sense is the least common sense of all.
Zeb
QUOTE (Boh Bpen Yang @ Oct 28 2007, 03:18 PM) *
Wow!!! Where did that come from?

For all living things, life is suffering - Buddha

Judge not, lest ye be judged.

You are right and repeatedly confirm...Common sense is the least common sense of all.



You stay out there in left field.....some only learn from hindsight.
Boh Bpen Yang
QUOTE (Zeb @ Oct 30 2007, 01:50 AM) *
You stay out there in left field.....some only learn from hindsight.

Some never learn
SoloNav
QUOTE (Boh Bpen Yang @ Oct 30 2007, 04:13 AM) *
Some never learn

Ouch. laugh.gif
Zeb
QUOTE (Boh Bpen Yang @ Oct 30 2007, 06:13 AM) *
Some never learn


Notice how these spies and propagandist within the country make a mockery of all the Americans who are suffering from the two wars brought about by the Israeli false-flag operation. They need all the carnage, bloodshed, and "war" to create ("debt" and "fear") hoping to complete the intended coup they envision for the United States and the world.

Many have been killed, and those in Walter Reed, and V.A hospitals across the nation suffer daily from the pain and agony of these wars which came about though 9-11. It has not gone unnoticed that all the explosives planted in the twin towers before the planes hit.....and WTC building 7 were put there by those who seek to bankrupt and takeover the American Government (the real terrorist). Larry Silverstein (Jew) has made over 7 billions on the Carnage of those who were slaughtered in the collapse of these buildings. (This has not been investigated by Homeland security, or reported in the Jewish controlled media)

The "Homeland" is Nazi terminology, and the bogus department of Homeland security is controlled by the son of an Mossad agent (Jew) who was raised in Talmudist doctrine. It's no surprise to anyone familiar with Talmud doctrine how they can poke fun at the facts concerning Americans being maimed for life and killed by wars fought for the Israeli's.

In their eyes anyone other than themselves are just "cattle"......"Goy".

They rob the Government and the peoples of this nation by the Federal Reserve, and then kill off Americans and other peoples by unnecessary wars they instigate.... and they think it's some sort of joke.

It's no joke that these same communist peoples (from New York City) destroyed Russia, (Bolshevik revolution) and this revolution was indeed financed by the same banking cartels found in the so-called Federal Reserve. (Below are the hidden banks controlling the Federal Reserve).

* Rothschild Banks of London and Berlin

* Lazard Brothers Bank of Paris

* Israel Moses Seif Bank of Italy

* Warburg Bank of Hamburg and Amsterdam

* Lehman Brothers Bank of New York

* Kuhn, Loeb and Co. of New York

* Chase Manhattan Bank of New York

* Goldman, Sachs of New York


Once the Soviet Union/Jews took over Russia millions were killed by starvation in the Ukraine and had to resort to cannibalism. They love reducing humanity to a level they consider as confirmation of all other peoples being cattle.

Stalin who was Jewish killed millions........ they played the Mensheviks against the Bolshevik's just as they play the democrat against the Republican.....The attempted overthrow of America is this nations version of the Bolshevik revolution. They have already started with the "privatization" which is thievery that also happened in Russia based on Communism and trickery.

The war they are instigating with Iran is mainly about the take-over of America by "Debt".

Boh Bpen Yang.............When writing about learning from hindsight this had nothing to do with you or those like you Bozo.....reprobates don't change....they are reserved for something designed to reward those who think they are more clever than the one with all the power.

Of course in your pitiful arrogance the words "some never learn" would not at all apply to you......Right?



QUOTE (SoloNav @ Nov 1 2007, 10:02 AM) *
Ouch. laugh.gif



SoloNav,

Save the remark.......you and your wicked kind have not even endured your first eon of torment and suffering.
Boh Bpen Yang
QUOTE (Zeb @ Nov 19 2007, 02:00 AM) *
Notice how these spies and propagandist within the country make a mockery of all the Americans who are suffering from the two wars brought about by the Israeli false-flag operation. They need all the carnage, bloodshed, and "war" to create ("debt" and "fear") hoping to complete the intended coup they envision for the United States and the world.

Many have been killed, and those in Walter Reed, and V.A hospitals across the nation suffer daily from the pain and agony of these wars which came about though 9-11. It has not gone unnoticed that all the explosives planted in the twin towers before the planes hit.....and WTC building 7 were put there by those who seek to bankrupt and takeover the American Government (the real terrorist). Larry Silverstein (Jew) has made over 7 billions on the Carnage of those who were slaughtered in the collapse of these buildings. (This has not been investigated by Homeland security, or reported in the Jewish controlled media)

The "Homeland" is Nazi terminology, and the bogus department of Homeland security is controlled by the son of an Mossad agent (Jew) who was raised in Talmudist doctrine. It's no surprise to anyone familiar with Talmud doctrine how they can poke fun at the facts concerning Americans being maimed for life and killed by wars fought for the Israeli's.

In their eyes anyone other than themselves are just "cattle"......"Goy".

They rob the Government and the peoples of this nation by the Federal Reserve, and then kill off Americans and other peoples by unnecessary wars they instigate.... and they think it's some sort of joke.

It's no joke that these same communist peoples (from New York City) destroyed Russia, (Bolshevik revolution) and this revolution was indeed financed by the same banking cartels found in the so-called Federal Reserve. (Below are the hidden banks controlling the Federal Reserve).

* Rothschild Banks of London and Berlin

* Lazard Brothers Bank of Paris

* Israel Moses Seif Bank of Italy

* Warburg Bank of Hamburg and Amsterdam

* Lehman Brothers Bank of New York

* Kuhn, Loeb and Co. of New York

* Chase Manhattan Bank of New York

* Goldman, Sachs of New York
Once the Soviet Union/Jews took over Russia millions were killed by starvation in the Ukraine and had to resort to cannibalism. They love reducing humanity to a level they consider as confirmation of all other peoples being cattle.

Stalin who was Jewish killed millions........ they played the Mensheviks against the Bolshevik's just as they play the democrat against the Republican.....The attempted overthrow of America is this nations version of the Bolshevik revolution. They have already started with the "privatization" which is thievery that also happened in Russia based on Communism and trickery.

The war they are instigating with Iran is mainly about the take-over of America by "Debt".

Boh Bpen Yang.............When writing about learning from hindsight this had nothing to do with you or those like you Bozo.....reprobates don't change....they are reserved for something designed to reward those who think they are more clever than the one with all the power.

Of course in your pitiful arrogance the words "some never learn" would not at all apply to you......Right?
SoloNav,

Save the remark.......you and your wicked kind have not even endured your first eon of torment and suffering.

I sense neuro-transmitter damage.

I said before... you talk the talk. I don't totally disagree with everything you say... unfortunately, most if it I do. I asked what you intend to do about it. You dribbled on to what amounted to nothing more than calling me a bozo. Start the revolution baby, if you think its due time, or, are you just going to try to insult the world into shape?
SoloNav
QUOTE (Boh Bpen Yang @ Dec 15 2007, 06:14 PM) *
You dribbled on to what amounted to nothing more than calling me a bozo. Start the revolution baby, if you think its due time, or, are you just going to try to insult the world into shape?

Ouch! laugh.gif
Fit2BThaied
Maybe he's trying to drool the world into shape?
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