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Nomad
Well now look what else is in this mans' woodpile.......
A closet Muslim?

Even in the unlikely event this mulatto is not a closet Muzzy he will be considered an apostate by the Muzzys since he was born into Islam (Sired by a Muzzy). You think these rabid animals hate us now..........Lets elect this fraud and really see them go ape sh!t...................
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d2d2
QUOTE (Nomad @ Jan 17 2007, 04:25 AM) *
Well now look what else is in this mans' woodpile.......
A closet Muslim?

Even in the unlikely event this mulatto is not a closet Muzzy he will be considered an apostate by the Muzzys since he was born into Islam (Sired by a Muzzy). You think these rabid animals hate us now..........Lets elect this fraud and really see them go ape sh!t...................
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That's just another form of racism, particularly revealing of personal insecurity and inferior self image that can only be elevated by putting others down. It says nothing about who Obama is or what he believes. His only serious fault is that he is a smoker.
ustrader
QUOTE (d2d2 @ Jan 18 2007, 07:32 AM) *
That's just another form of racism, particularly revealing of personal insecurity and inferior self image that can only be elevated by putting others down. YOU, THE MASTER OF PUTTING DOWN THAT WHICH IS DISAGREEABLE TO YOU, SAYING THIS!! IS THIS NOT SO TYPICAL OF ME-IST VIEW OF THE WORLD, I CAN, BUT YOU, THEY AND HE CAN'T!!

P.S. The article, though not particualrly enlightening, had nothing to do wth RACE. It had something to do with deceit, perhaps, 3rd world corruption perhaps and a religious background somehow not well known by friend and foe thus far. BUT RACE, HOW CONDESENDING TO SUGGEST one can not dwell into an announced Presidential candidate personal history thus far hiden from view but clearly a very big part of his real life as opposed to his PR established life he has pressed perhaps in deciet pwerhasp not but clear hidden in his own public PR.


It says nothing about who Obaba is or what he believes. His only serious fault is that he is a smoker.

Though I do agree it tells us little of him or as to what he stands for. It does say, he is not ready opening up to the world aboutv his Islamic heritage, corrupt family history, actaully sayng he was a g from goat farmer, when far from it perhaps. All of which may or may not be relevant to who he is today which again may be relevant to what WE DO NOT KNOW ABOUT HIM and what we should know about him.

I also, got a big chuckle with this "walk on water" commentary of yours as to his ony fault.

I can add three more personal faults right off hand. One, he is a lawyer and two his a lawyer politican and three he is lawyer politician in Congrees, neither of the three rate much higher, in polls, than a used car salesmen and all three even rate lower than Bush....

So please, leave off the walking on water view of Obama. It is far more a liberal progressive genre's urban myth self grandizd as to their own liberalism, than his capabilities. eh mate.
DROOPER
QUOTE (d2d2 @ Jan 17 2007, 07:32 PM) *
That's just another form of racism, particularly revealing of personal insecurity and inferior self image that can only be elevated by putting others down. It says nothing about who Obama is or what he believes. His only serious fault is that he is a smoker.



Oh, here we go with the "racism" comments. You state what someone is - and you're a racist. Jesse Jackson is black - you're a racist. Liberace was gay - you're a "hater".

Get off the crap.
Thaiquila
He is probably running for president.
With very little experience.
His family past and history is most certainly worth looking at. Everything about him is worth looking at. If there is something about him that is going to make him unelectable, I want that out on the table asap.
BTW, I don't support this man at all. I find his popularity suspect. It seems to be all about some kind of sex appeal and charisma and empty platitudes of hope. I want someone more down to earth.
Nomad
QUOTE (Thaiquila @ Jan 18 2007, 01:44 PM) *
It seems to be all about some kind of sex appeal and charisma and empty platitudes of hope.

Yes. But the left always votes for those for candidates with those dubious qualities. Got Bill Clinton elected.
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Fit2BThaied
Agreeing with ThaiQuila that this man is about some weird kind of sex appeal, glib speech, etc., but not much substance. However, I read 3 online biographies of the man yesterday, and he's quite accomplished for a fairly young man. No, he's not a Muslim (and Muzzie is a racist statement); the middle name of Hussein doesn't prove anything. His father, who dropped out of his life at an early age, was quite accomplished (nearly the Sydney Portier character in Guess Who's Coming to Dinner).
JJB
Even if I were a Democrat, I wouldn't vote for Obama, because he's way too inexperienced. If I were a Democrat, I would much prefer Clinton, Kerry, or Biden.

In addition, I think if Obama weren't black, he'd lose a lot of his media appeal. Obama is only the darling of the media because he's black, young, well-spoken, and clearly anti-Bush.
Fit2BThaied
Qualifications? To run for extremely high political office in the USA, do the Republicans think qualifications mean one single thing? Bush Jr. is by far the least experienced, least qualified candidate for the White House in my lifetime, and I'm not young. Same for Republican candidates for governor, for mayor of Houston, etc. No experience necessary. That's where H. Ross Perot, Jr., got the idea that any yahoo could govern a country.

You're right though, JJB. Barack Obama doesn't have the experience, and doesn't deserve to be the candidate - precisely because Democrats think qualifications and experience matter.
JJB
Having been an experienced businessman as well as governor of the 2nd largest, 2nd richest state for 4 years is a pretty good qualification for president, though certainly one could be more qualified.

Having been two years in the US Senate is not a good qualification for president, even if following 8 years of serving in a state legislature.

One of these positions exemplifies executive experience over a longer period of time (that includes business), and one does not. My personal bias is that candidates should have primarily executive experience over legislative experience.
ustrader
A Politician, a vessel containing a cargo of self interest always checking the winds of the mob, and tacking with the direction of that breeze, to get their vessel and their self interest and often serving cargo to their port of call and destination. Status Quo, USA, anywhere where "democracy", as loosely construed, rules.
A thing afar from an idiom with a purpose, mission and the will to overcome all to get to its intend end.


Until yesterday, I was, no matter what some will say, most willing to be open minded in my view and consideration of Obama as a viable person that might have a better vision for a disunited America. Something I actually think we need.

Then yesterday he said, [B[“Those who have died in Iraq are wasted.”[/B] In that simple enmity, I saw clearly and unquestionably yet another, hollow lawyer of deciet uncaring as to the human equation, he would have in what he has said that is is the real difference in what he is all about.

Instead, in those few words is a harbinger of more like them to come. It is far from unambiguous, except of course to the narrowly construe of similar idioms not looking and unseeingly looking only for that savior of the next coming. In those few words we see not that of a savior of the second coming, nor that of the leader, of the here and now and tomorrow, who really grasps ALL of Americans needs and desire. Not just that narrow agenda of a few Rainbow Coalitionist who are mostly to some form or another, communalist that are afar from the middle of the road pragmatists that most of America is centered towards.

In the core meaning in these few words, is well seen the elitist uncaring, unknowing and distant unfamiliarity with the character that is the real majority of America, that which is at the core of those “wasted” who dead in Iraq. In his unaware elitist disconnect with that majority of what is America those from which those “wasted” dead came from, is a driven Obama secret, inured in his very soul not by a care of or for the common man as he portrays in his so called populist intent.

Nay, his not so hidden secret, unintended for release by his inexperience, sheathing underneath that Harvard Lawyer outward “populist” illumination, is only the politics of an ideology of an extreme. Something that anyone being honest has well learned as is in the very core all that so divides us. Something, which has proven far often as not, to be, in the end, not about ALL the people at all, but in lieu, about the agenda of but some of the people in what has proven to be polarizing solely of and about an agenda of ever more extremes.

America in these ever-increasing days of division and threat needs no more extremists from either the left or the right. What we do need is real leaders who are what they say they and do what they say they will do. Not more of same Politician lawyer types who entire being is mannered not in their real character, who just set their sails only in a fair favorable winds only and fold them in effort in the fowl winds of unfavorable nature.

We need no more of those pretenders of steadfast to ALL the people’s interests who only sail in calm waters and only in fair weather no on rough seas and fowl weather. We need leaders who are on the course they set, adjustable, but sincerely steadfast. We need this mostly so we all can once again feel the WE in America instead of this strong current of today’s us and them that flood our very souls, voiced from the not most vocal extremist edges of our society not from that middle ground that is the silent and soundless majority among us.

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Definitions of wasted :

“otiose”: Serving no useful purpose; having no excuse for being; "futile:" fainéant”: (disinclined to work or exertion) "shiftless "; "slothful"; " “squandered”: atrophied”: “diminished”; “bony”:


In this case, that secret lies not far from its roots in the Rainbow Coalition’s agenda for America. An agenda that cohabits of and to, the likes of Castro, Chavez, Putin, Saddam, Iran’s Admenjdan, Herr Schoeder and Chirac. A lot, one and all unquestionably "always for what is best for America". Don’t you think?

I give you their mission to read between the the lines of that which will be yet as polarizing if not more so than even GW himself, the true and only Anti-Christ that has yet to have lived on this planet.

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"The American Dream is one big tent of many cultures, races and religions. Under that tent, everybody is assured equal protection under the law, equal opportunity, equal access and a fair share. Our, struggle demands that we open closed doors, extend the tent and even the playing field."
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The Mission

The RainbowPUSH Coalition is a combination of a grassroots and a political organization merged together in 1997, which seeks to protect, defend and gain civil rights and to even the economic and educational playing fields in all aspects of American life and to bring peace to the world.


Noble laudable goals one and all indeed, like no war and peace on earth, few can see any wrong in them if that were all that was behind these ambitions. Yet, that is the real question that we all really need to ask, for whom and what are these goals to toll and for what and who are these goals to exclude. More importantly, what changes are intended as to the rising of the bar or lowering of the bar of that which made America great, its opportunism for that entrepreneurial spirit that has thus far allowed anyone to be what they can be, in America.
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Fit2BThaied
QUOTE (JJB @ Feb 12 2007, 11:08 PM) *
Having been an experienced businessman as well as governor of the 2nd largest, 2nd richest state for 4 years is a pretty good qualification for president, though certainly one could be more qualified.

Having been two years in the US Senate is not a good qualification for president, even if following 8 years of serving in a state legislature.

One of these positions exemplifies executive experience over a longer period of time (that includes business), and one does not. My personal bias is that candidates should have primarily executive experience over legislative experience.
Bush may have had a limited amount of failed experience in a few businesses that were small, but nothing like what he president of a Fortune 500 company. Surely not executive experience. You, like both Bush presidents, may be uneducated in the Texas governor's office, since y'all never had to learn that in secondary school (the Bushes both were sent by their New England families to fancy prep schools in New England, then to Yale). The governor's office in Austin is the WEAKEST in all 50 states, and Bush had never held an office as high as dogcatcher before becoming governor (but the Republicans of Texas prefer totally unqualified candidates; it's a bad habit). Austin did not prepare Bush for the White House.

But actually, JJB, I think we agree that nobody should become president without lots of experience, and
we agree that this Obama doesn't have it. However, we disagree being an executive of a business he created (like H. Ross Perot, Sr.) prepares that man for the White House. Hilary is well qualified; Obama is not.
IvyLeagueElitist
QUOTE (DROOPER @ Jan 18 2007, 11:57 AM) *
Oh, here we go with the "racism" comments. You state what someone is - and you're a racist. Jesse Jackson is black - you're a racist. Liberace was gay - you're a "hater".

Get off the crap.


Wait, wait, wait...




Wait!


"Even in the unlikely event this mulatto is not a closet Muzzy he will be considered an apostate by the Muzzys since he was born into Islam (Sired by a Muzzy). You think these rabid animals hate us now..........Lets elect this fraud and really see them go ape sh!t..................."

Lemme break it down for ya:

"Even in the unlikely event this mulatto is not a closet Muzzy[...]"

A 'closet Muzzy' is merely stating what Obama might be?

"he will be considered an apostate by the Muzzys since he was born into Islam (Sired by a Muzzy)."

Apparently this is civilized discourse, eh? I mean, really, what are Muslims more than "rabid animals"?

C'mon Ayn Rand, get off your fountainhead.
ustrader
QUOTE (IvyLeagueElitist @ Feb 14 2007, 03:09 PM) *
Wait, wait, wait...
Wait!
"Even in the unlikely event this mulatto is not a closet Muzzy he will be considered an apostate by the Muzzys since he was born into Islam (Sired by a Muzzy). You think these rabid animals hate us now..........Lets elect this fraud and really see them go ape sh!t..................."

Lemme break it down for ya:

"Even in the unlikely event this mulatto is not a closet Muzzy[...]"

A 'closet Muzzy' is merely stating what Obama might be?

"he will be considered an apostate by the Muzzys since he was born into Islam (Sired by a Muzzy)."

Apparently this is civilized discourse, eh? I mean, really, what are Muslims more than "rabid animals"?

C'mon Ayn Rand, get off your fountainhead.



Then again if "man's ego is the fountainhead of human progress," then we can assume some here who think so, are self evident in and to themselves in Rand's words, the emancipated alter ego of objectivism’s mind-independent reality verse reality, created in this modern me-ism formed by individualism’s (Relativism) and the collectivism’s (Communalism) that is in man's soul, hey comrade?
Nomad
QUOTE (Fit2BThaied @ Feb 12 2007, 06:41 AM) *
Bush Jr. is by far the least experienced, least qualified candidate for the White House in my lifetime, and I'm not young.

Not young and quite senile. Do you remember a Jew hating penut farmer named Jimmy Carter? Perhaps the worst president ever.

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IvyLeagueElitist
QUOTE (Nomad @ Feb 15 2007, 09:02 PM) *
Not young and quite senile. Do you remember a Jew hating penut farmer named Jimmy Carter? Perhaps the worst president ever.

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I think the simple fact Carter never started a disasterous war makes him 5% better than Bush, and I hate Carter for 1979's hostage fiasco.

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