I am interested in your views as you have been called cowards in the press for not taking a greater stance against Korea's nuclear program.

Please give reasons.

I think we should wipe out the place in order to gain market share in goo-goo gai pan.

Ihatebush, your poll is too simplistic. If you were to add more choices, I might vote. For instance my reply would be: No, it is easier to contain them, while we address the greatest threat, Radical Islamic Terrorism.

The greatest threat to the world is the American Military Indusrtial Complex/
Pentagon, and no John L. I don't have a link, and John L. I don't give a ####
either if you think I should have a link because it is simply my opinion.

Nitwit, I'm afraid your handle does not entirely do you justice. You are also a victim of schizophrenia. Obviously, there is another person in your mind. We are here talking about N. Korea.

But you may talk to your "little friend" if you wish.

Either that or just go back to smoking your menthol bong Nit wit...

The troller keeps turning up everywhere.
Still waiting for a rephrasing of your badly mispelled new thread, adams.

No offense to ihatebush personally, but your poll question is awful.

You make the assumption the military is always our means to the desired end.
Don't fail to make the distinction between wanting to use military force and being willing to use military force.
There is a HUGE difference.

I think history has shown this destinction to be blurred, but please explain.

This poll is obviously a provocation, understandable given the membership base of this forum. But I must say, I have seen threads that started out much more clever than this, Ihatebush!

But thinking about it the US government and its ultraright followers are preoccupied with Iraq, terrorists and Islam at present.
They are still undecided about taking on North Korea, it would mean taking on China as well, better be quick, before they get any stronger!

The leaders of the former Soviet Union were acutely aware of the Us's willingness to invade any dissenting nations that pose a real or imagined threat, if they believe it could be done and sold as 'liberation' to their mallable church going public. A few enlightened administrations are the exception to the rule here.

Note:I am following this thread in being provocative, so keep your guns behind the computerscreen, please.

I believe distinction between wanting and willing to use military force can be determined by evaluating the character of the leader.
Therein lies the problem. Evaluation is too subjective. It is never objective.

This thread was'nt started to provoke discord among the masses. I am interested to know what these Bushites think, as it seems North Korea is not with you, which makes them against you and we all know what happens to those types don't we GW and his followers?

Invading Iraq and Afghanistan was largely about sending a message to other countries about how far American gun-boat diplomacy would be taken if all other measures failed.

I believe that the main obstacle to a military intervention in Korea is that the will of the American people has been significantly weakened by Vietnam.

To invade North Korea, America would need a broad coallition, which would be difficult to set up, and all of the countries involved would need to be able to grit their teeth as death figures exceed those of the the first Korean war and the war in Vietnam.

A recent documentary in this country by Nial Ferguson suggested that Truman should have followed the advice of his General (MacArthur), and fought a campaign to invade Korea using nuclear bombs if neccesary.

It certainly would have solved the problem we have today, and prevented the deaths of many people under communist rule, however presently our options are limited, and we should look towards negotiation to resolve this situation, and encourage Japan to act like a country of is economic clout, and start developing an effective military to deal with the regional problems.

There are quite sophisticated yet powerful nuclear choices, you could kill off all the commies, but leve the buildings and assets intact.

Don't listen to the loonie left claiming nukes have gone out of fashion!
You should teach them a lesson what it means to defend liberty and freedom of expression!

America will never invade North Korea. It would disrupt the cordial business dealings with China. China makes 90% of the crap that Americans consume,
so many American companies that source China's factories would be bitching and moaning to no end. If NK set off a nuke it would kill millions of Chinese immediately. I also ask myself why? Why invade North Korea? I don't see any reason to, but indeed I am the Nitwit.

There is not only the lack of oil to consider, but the marketing potential of the Korean heroin has been overlooked. During a conventional attack, Air America could resume operation, aren't the CIA complaining about lack of funds?

No interest in N. Korea, exept to ensure they have no nukes. We don't like nuclear waste in our teriyaki wings.

(sorry...just having some fun)

Stroll said:


Stroll you are definitely a cretin, shouldn't you be tending to your University Of Phoenix online degree in politics. WTF? North Korea is an independent threat. China's only benefit to North Korea's psychotic state of affairs is that it can be used as a moderator, therby giving the Chinese some leverage in talks about Taiwan and Tibet. It has more to lose than we do.
Can we defeat the North Koreans in a conventional war-Yes. An army that is eating sawdust mixed rice doesn't fight very well. Why do we avoid a convential war with NK? Who is to say we aren't...Iraq was a wake up call to the NK's and the Chinese. Iraq was part of a widespread problem with a common ideology-Islamic Militanism-that is to say it is but a piece of a larger puzzle. NK is by itself and about as compatible an ally to Islam as Germany was to Japan after Germany surrendered.

As for the pole question: _________________________

Iwould like to see North Korea invaded and Kim Jong Il executed publicly.

Why don't you do it?

There are enough guncrazy rightwing nutcases on this forum to form an assault unit. I will donate funds for you to hire a helicopter.

Bye, bye

Where would you get the money from? The state?
Try posting something more intelligent or don't post at all. When you are intellectually subjugated then you begin to regress...Remain calm do not get confused.
Take a deep breath.
Re-read my post. Thanks.

You are excused from participating while you attend high school.
Unless Drewshocks will make an exception.

Heroine in North Korea? I had no idea.

I don't know the quantities, and can't post a link, either. But it is reputed to be of very high quality and apparently a first choice for Japanese addicts. It is a sizable portion of Kim's hard currency revenues.

I think I read about it last year in the German language 'Focus', when the subject of a looming war was discussed, one of the points made was that this 'trade' is a considerable contribution in preventing the regime from collapsing and that ironically the main customers are the countries which oppose the regime.

So in my earlier post I was mocking, but the subject of heroin in Korea is a serious one.

North Korea has Heroin?......Is there anyway we can send some people over to help them shoot it up quicker so we can wipe out those slanty-eyed rice yankers?

Maybe we could build a Walmart theme park there and build a convention center for the Liberal wackos to exchange left wing socialist web site links...

I don't think it is widely used in North-Korea itself, it is an (unofficial) export industry, an important one for them, since they are exporting little else.

Ever tried it, Paulynuts? Kinda calms you down for a while....

####

Mods ban this idiot!

Hey Ihatebush...


Tough luck my man...I am here to make you miserable and fight back against your wacko liberal agenda...

Settle in for the ride #### ####.

Let us just see how the mods deal with this racist.

I am sure the mods Asian wives would love this post

Bye Bye Pauly

Hi Ihatebush...

I have straightened it out with mandl....and I'm not going anywhere ####### ######....now go lay down you ###### ####.

Do you really?

I hope you are'nt the captain of your team

You're a piece of racist, bigoted ###### that should be wiped off the face of the earth
and if I had the option to pull the trigger to take you out, I would pull it without hesitation. If I never get to post again on this forum again for saying this, I don't care.

why do you want to wipe them out? Has he been banned for saying this?

I agree with your sentiment here nitwit.

Part of the reason to deal with North Korea, is the mass starvation, and brutal human rights record it has..

Gideon, I may have lost my temper a bit and I admit it isn't fair that he can't reply to me beacause he has been banned, which I hadn't known at the time of my outburst, but his type are of no practical use to people anywhere. North Koreans don't deserve to be nuked, no one does. His rationale is the same as that of the British during the Opium Wars, 'Get the Chinese stoned on opium so we can take over their country and manipulate their people.'
If his comments are in jest, then it's a sick joke. If he's for real, then my comments above stand.

Sometimes comments like this make me think 'I'm too nice to be a conservative'

I think so. But being on their side grants you a certain degree of protection from Pauly and friends.

The meaning of this poll exactly? It sense still yearns to be found.

The U.S. has the most powerful military force on the planet. Yes we could invade North Korea but at what cost? If military action is needed perhaps we should not lead the charge this time.

Wow! A sensible person here. In the original question the word 'could' is used.
Of course America 'could' invade North Korea. Any country could invade any country it
wants to invade. The question is: Is it worth it?, Is there a reason?, Do we need to?
To all these I would say no. India and Pakistan have huge arsenals of nuclear weapons, why don't we put a cap in their @$$#$ while we're at it? Oh, I forgot, they are our friends.

Korea is not Iraq, they will use chemical weapons, they will be backed by China.
They will sink are Aircraft Carriers, shoot down are planes.
They have an Airforce, a trained skilled Army, and a respectable Navy.

Military branches:
Korean People's Army (includes Army, Navy, Air Force), Civil Security Forces

Military manpower - availability:
males age 15-49: 6,181,038 (2004 est.)

Military manpower - fit for military service:
males age 15-49: 3,694,855 (2004 est.)

Military manpower - reaching military age annually:
males: 189,014 (2004 est.)

Military expenditures - dollar figure:
$5,217.4 million (FY02)

Military expenditures - percent of GDP:
22.9% (2003)

Bush woould have to pull alliances out of his ##### too match those numbers, and sway opinion in the direction of such an action.

Information supplied by CIA factbook as of 2003.

Opps double post.

And lets not forget, Hussien was probably a mentaly difficient person(a crazy ########).

Korea's leader is not, he is intelligent, organized, and naturaly evil, he is no crazy.

And as I further go through my information, China if allied with N.Korea, could easily hit Isreal with a dozen or so ICBM's.

And thats not a risk Lieberman is about to take.

But...yes..the U.S. does have the numbers and recources to win a prolonged determined effort if she so decides so.

But it will be the start of WW3.

And in no way am I saying N.Korea is good, and is doing good things for it's people, infact the Kim fellow with the lesbo-haircut, starves his own people so they can't rebel, tortures..rapes..blah blah, you all know this.

A quick invasion of North Korea and public executions of Kim Jong Il and his Worker's Party leaders are exactly what I want.

Well hope China stayes out of it and everything will be ok.

Would China get involved?

Considering that China is a heavy importer of fuel (no station in the Mid-East), and of that fuel, it relies (40%) being railed (a very, very easy target in our day and age) into China from Russia. Combined with mutual economic concerns within each country (US/PRC). I'm certain China would play little or no role in the defence of NK.

The 3.69 Million militarily capable personnel would offer little resistance (in conventional fighting terms) for a time frame of probably weeks, let alone months.

MacArthur thought it could all be achieved in a simple "flash", thankfully, it never came to that.


The Chinese will do everything (spying - stealing technology etc...) bar directly confronting the US head on in battle (think Sun Tzu's "The Art of War") .

Sleeping Dragon

Korea is divided into North and South....

South Korea is still not ready to break up the North. They talk to each other, mistrusting each other.

Not same, but the political situation can be compared with former West Germany and smaller, much less powerful East Germany. - Without any war, East Germany does not exist anymore.

This might happen also with North Korea.

There is nothing there, except millions of people living in poverty...no resources....Military invasion? From where?

Nobody likes that idea here in this region....neither South Korea, nor Japan, nor China....nor Russia, which also shares a short borderline.

Who will take care then of all this chaos of over 20 million impoverished people from North Korea?

Politics now are more related to China, to make them more aware of the Korean problem.
China must withdraw any support to the North Korean government and force it for wide reforms and changements of this strange country without military invention.