Here is something that I believe deep down everyone has known for quite a long while now.



In my opinion, this is nothing but malarkey, and James Jay Carafano, a homeland security and counter-terrorism expert for the Heritage Foundation, agrees also.

Enjoy the story; it's from McClatchy Washington Bureau

Man this sounds so familar, , where have I heard that think speak before?

Quotes from Osama bin Laden:

"We should fully understand our religion. Fighting is a part of our religion and our Sharia [an Islamic legal code]. Those who love God and his Prophet and this religion cannot deny that. Whoever denies even a minor tenet of our religion commits the gravest sin in Islam."

"Hostility toward America is a religious duty, and we hope to be rewarded for it by God . . . . I am confident that Muslims will be able to end the legend of the so-called superpower that is America. Time Magazine

"The pieces of the bodies of infidels were flying like dust particles. If you would have seen it with your own eyes, you would have been very pleased, and your heart would have been filled with joy." -- At the wedding of his son in southern Kandahar about the 17 sailors who died suicide bombing of the USS Cole off the coast of Yemen

"Every American man is an enemy to us." -- Independent.

" . . . It is far better for anyone to kill a single American soldier than to squander his efforts on other activities." -- May 1998

"We--with God's help--call on every Muslim who believes in God and wishes to be rewarded to comply with God's order to kill the Americans and plunder their money wherever and whenever they find it. We also call on Muslim ulema, leaders, youths, and soldiers to launch the raid on Satan's U.S. troops and the devil's supporters allying with them, and to displace those who are behind them so that they may learn a lesson." Feb. 1998 - Bin Laden edict

``We are seeking to incite the (Islamic) nation to rise up to liberate its land and to (conduct) jihad (holy war) for the sake of God." -- al-Jazeera, June 1999.

"`I was never afraid of death ... As Muslims, we believe that when we die, we go to heaven. Before a battle, God sends us ... tranquility." -- Independent, 1993.

"I'm fighting so I can die a martyr and go to heaven to meet God. Our fight now is against the Americans." -- Osama bin Laden, quoted by Al-Quds Al-Arabi newspaper

"We declared jihad against the US government, because the US government is unjust, criminal and tyrannical. It has committed acts that are extremely unjust, hideous and criminal whether directly or through its support of the Israeli occupation." - Osama bin Laden - to CNN in March 1997

" . . . For the American forces to expect anything from me personally reflects a very narrow perception. Thousands of millions of Muslims are angry. The Americans should expect reactions from the Muslim world that are proportionate to the injustice they inflict." to Time Magazine Dec 1998

Responding to the question "are you trying to acquire chemical and nuclear weapons?"

"Acquiring weapons for the defense of Muslims is a religious duty. If I have indeed acquired these weapons, then I thank God for enabling me to do so. And if I seek to acquire these weapons, I am carrying out a duty. It would be a sin for Muslims not to try to possess the weapons that would prevent the infidels from inflicting harm on Muslims." Time Magazine Dec 1998

And he moved the tyranny and suppression of freedom to his own country, and they called it the Patriot Act under the disguise of fighting terrorism.
Osama bin Laden

Bush the father did well in placing his sons as governors and did not forget to pass on the expertise in fraud from the leaders of the region to Florida to use it in critical moments.

Speak of lefty and HE WHO YOU SEE faultless LISTENS WELL!!

Osama bin Laden

Even as you enter the fourth year after the Sept. 11 attacks, Bush is still misleading and deluding you and hiding the real reason from you.Speak of lefty and HE WHO YOU SEE faultless LISTENS WELL!!

Osama bin Laden

It appeared to him that a little girl's talk about her goat and its butting was more important than the planes and their butting of the skyscrapers.
Osama bin Laden

This resemblance became clear in the Bush the father's visits to the region. He wound up being impressed by the royal and military regimes and envied them for staying decades in their positions and embezzling the nation's money with no supervision.
Osama bin Laden

We did not find it difficult to deal with Bush and his administration, because it is similar to regimes in our countries - both types include many who are full of arrogance and greed.
Osama bin Laden

Your security is not in the hands of Kerry or Bush. Your security is in our hands, as is the will of God."-Osama bin Laden

No, Grizz, I haven't known this for a while (and I'm a party of "everyone"), because I don't think it at all. Therefore, your statement is incorrect.

There are experts that think Bush is correct. Shall we have dueling links now?

Oh please, not dueling links! I just scroll on by.

The article in the OP was authored by an expert at the Heritage Foundation, which is conservative. It quoted sources from the left, right and center.

What is the meaning - or the interpretation by voters who only hear sound bites - of the president saying, "...if we were to leave before the job is done, the enemy would follow us here"? It means that violent jihadists by the hundreds or the thousands, will bring the war to the streets and cities of the USA, and that your homes and loved ones will be directly, clearly threatened. Nah, that's hyperbole, as surely as Ronald Reagan saying the Sandinistas would invade Harlingen. The Sandinistas didn't invade any other country, although Ronald Reagan sent the United States Marines into Nicaragua. Fact.

Then, I will repeat what I've said so often before. I would be glad to come to this forum and admit I'm wrong. I would much rather do that than proven correct.

For reals!

It must be the Thai heat that has distorted FITS reality with his tendency to reinvent Hyperbolic reality...

FITS, Yes there were US marines in Nicaragua, but, your reality and the reality is as usual a chromosome short and synapse shorted in this ever presetn hyperbolic disenchantment of nay play.

U.S. Marines in Nicaragua, 1927-33:
The Second Time Around

http://www.airpower.au.af.mil/airchronicle...g/jennings.html

Now for a touch of UN-FITS reality;

During the 1980s the Reagan administration sponsored an anti-Sandinista guerilla movement known as the Contras (a proxy paramilitary based in Honduras and Costa Rica, largely consisting of northern highlanders known as the Milpas and led by former Somoza regime soldiers) against the socialist Sandinista government in Nicaragua. The resulting war killed over 50,000 people, mostly civilians.


Under the Carter Administration, the Sandinistas had received tacit U.S. support in their coup against the previously U.S.-backed right-wing military dictatorship of the Somoza dynasty, which had ruled the country for several decades. An interim coalition, Junta, took power in 1979 and in 1984 leader of the FSLN marxist-lenenist party, Daniel Ortega became Nicaragua's first elected President who ruled under the name of the Sandinista revolution. As the years progressed, the Ortega government became more authoritarian, with the more moderate factions of the coalition being expelled from government. Allegations of suppression of political dissent increased, as did accusations of state-sponsored human rights abuses.

However, these accusations of human rights abuses were not accurate, according to Human Rights Watch: "Almost invariably, U.S. pronouncements on human rights exaggerated and distorted the real human rights violations of the Sandinista regime, and exculpated those of the U.S.-supported insurgents, known as the contras." [1] As well, Ortega was a supporter of Fidel Castro's Cuba and many members of the Sandinista government sought to model Nicaragua along similar lines. Cuba sent doctors and technicians to Nicaragua and the Soviet Union shipped some military equipment, including some Hind helicopters.

The leftist nature of the Sandinista government and its support for Cuba distressed many in the Reagan administration, who viewed the country as a key Cold War battleground, in danger of becoming a Communist proxy state. As a result, covert support began to flow to the anti-Sandinista Contra rebels, whom Reagan had described as "the moral equal of our founding fathers."

Contras were condemned as terrorists by many and as freedom fighters by others. Under the direction of the CIA, the largest Contra army, the FDN, attacked collective farms and other civilian targets, as well as murdered, tortured and mutilated civilians and committed other war crimes, as documented by human rights organizations such as Amnesty International and Human Rights Watch. [2] The Contras were also accused of being involved in illicit drug-trafficking. In 1986 a CIA-written training manual detailing methods of terrorism and assassination was discovered to have been issued to the Contras.

The proxy army followed Washington orders to attack "soft targets" such as farm cooperatives and health clinics instead of "trying to duke it out with the Sandinistas directly," "attack a lot of schools, health centers, and those sort of things" so that "the Nicaraguan government cannot provide social services for the peasants, cannot develop its project." as explained by General John Galvin, commander of the U.S. Southern Command, who added that with these tactics, aimed at civilians lacking means of defense against armed terrorist bands, prospects for the contras should improve.

When asked in the US Congress in April 1985 to define US policy in Nicaragua, former CIA Director Stansfield Turner responded “state-sponsored terrorism”.

The World Court would find that this constituted state sponsorship of terrorism and an attempt to overthrow an elected government. Nicaragua decided to take their case to the World Court in Nicaragua v. United States. In an unprecedented decision in the history of world justice, the World Court sanctioned the U.S. for "unlawful use of force" for "sponsoring paramilitary activity in and against Nicaragua", ordering the U.S. government to pay billions of U.S. dollars in compensation.

The World Court ordered Reagan to terminate his campaign, but the Reagan White House dismissed the ruling and then vetoed two Security Council resolutions affirming the Court ruling and calling on all nations to observe international law. The FSLN then took its case to the General Assembly and the General Assembly ruled in its favor, with only the US, Israel, and El Salvador dissenting. Father Miguel D'Escoto, Foreign Minister under the Sandinista government, supposes that the U.S. owes his country between 20 and 30 billion U.S. dollars. [3]

Many, who supported the Reaganite view, claim the Sandinista regime was neither democratic nor harmless, but rather a Communist dictatorship in the making, supported both militarily and economically by Cuba and the Soviet Union. The administration refused to participate in the World Court proceeding.

Due to the pressures of the covert Contra war, the Sandinista President of Nicaragua, Daniel Ortega, eventually held the country's second elections, which he and his party lost, thus ending Nicaragua's brief period of socialist rule. Violeta Barrios de Chamorro, a former Junta member who led a 19-party "anti-Sandinista" alliance was elected in his place.

Now he's back and is being Financed By Hugo, Im so bad, Chevaz, the Ven-u-oppressor Presidente for life. It seems, life is nothing but cluster F' riding in circle where one the end is but the beginning to an end of but a beginning, eh Comrade FITS?



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_Inter..._Administration

Uhhhh, the enemy has already killed over 3000 civilians on US soil. This fact invalidates Gizzards post and the idiotic article trying to support this lame premise of the Islamofacists will not try to bring the war here.

THAT IS WHAT STARTED THIS WHOLE FN MESS YOU FN IDIOTS.................

ustrader, the question is, did US Marines go into Nicaragua and fight alongside the Contras? I can't prove it, but we overheard our Tex-Mex co-worker discussing a firefight with the janitor. The coworker (ex-USMC Reservist, assigned to the Honduran-Nica border), was in the same firefights, the exact same battles, as the Nicaraguan janitor, inside Nicaragua. But the two Hispanics fought on opposite sides!

Thanks for the link to wikipedia. Close enough to the truth, from what I know, and it included the World Court and UN proceedings.

Fit, sorry but the question you asked has no merit. WE are the at least "semi-good" guys in all the above, misguided as we may be.
Accept it and get over it.
Bean

KenBean, were we the good guys or the semi-good guys to support the Somozas over Sandino in the 1930's? Were we the good guys to continue supporting the Somoza dictatorships, and then to support their Contra rebel army that was run by Somoza's ousted thugs? Were Admiral Poindexter and Lt. Colonel North the good guys for selling weapons to the IRANIANS and using the profits to send money to the Contras, in violation of federal law? Was Ronald Reagan the good guy for exaggerating the threat of the Sandinistas walking through four sovereign countries and then into the lower Rio Grande Valley? Was Uncle Ronnie the good Commander in Chief for mining Puerto Corinto?

Tell me again why we were the good guys? Or perhaps you're referring only to the present tense in your past-tense statement about all of the above. So, presently: is George W. Bush the semi-good guy for using rhetoric designed to make Americans think we'll be fighting in the street, with our children at our feet, and we'll pick up our guitars and say, "We won't be fooled again!"?

Looking at American history, it's easier to say the Yanks were the good guys in the first half of the 20th century. From there onward, it seems basically downhill, especially lately. Maybe I'd feel differently if I were still there; I'm not sure.

Sweet Jesus FITS, you along with your friend's yoke of values show, it was never about others, or your country going downhill at all. It has always been about your values of conceded defeat, bred in the finest me-ist tradition of relativism that assumes; you won't skid, if you stay in a rut.

As is shown in those values, a true pessimist is never disappointed, for once engulfed in pessimism’s panorama, one, in brief, is playing the sure game. A game created to ensure one cannot lose at it; thought they may gain, the play, is NOT TO LOSE.

It is the only view of life in which you can never be disappointed. Having reckoned “to do and fail” is the worst possible circumstances, when better arise from doing, as it may and often does. Life, to a sure betting pessimist becomes the opposite of what an optimist thinks, which is, at this time, place and circumstances, with all its challenges and endures, it is the still the best of all possible worlds, which in opposite value, a pessimist plays, in fear, a pessimists sure bet game, “ that it may be true.”

Gosh, ustrader, maybe you're not the one here who's losing his ability to communicate; maybe I am, too. I can't quite follow you, but I'll try.

Sweet Jesus, indeed. That's what it's all about. Wasn't he sweet? Jesus, Jesus, Jesus, sweetest name I know...

My friend's yoke of values? Surely, ustrader, you're yoking about that! Some of my friends have been Amish and some have been Friends (Quakers). Great values, and they walk the walk. The Nobel Peace Prize was given to the American and British Friends Service Committees. Yeah, we are talking about values. I claim the values of Jesus. And youuuuu?

Have I conceded defeat? Well, if you think that human existence is nothing more than blind nationalism, I concede that should be defeated. I'll concede that German nazionalism needed to be defeated 65 years ago. Good grief, 65 years, and we haven't learned yet that blind nationalism is a great sin, writ large upon modern humanity!

I'm a pessimist when it comes to violence and blind nationalism and perverted Christian patriotism. I'm an optimist when it comes to non-violence, peace, love, and the teachings of Jesus.

The very long final sentence of your post speaks of "the best of all possible worlds." Is that a world in which the only superpower kills people? Imagine all the people, yearning to be free....speaking of crazy people, they thought John Lennon was crazy (Al Capp did his best to prove it). I believe Scripture shows that Jesus was also thought to be crazy, as well as the apostle Paul. We're still trying to turn the world upside down.

Fit I admire your steadfast pacifism. However the world as it exists today came about not by negotiation but by military force or the threat of that force. And the world in the future will be governed by the use of force or the threat thereof. It is beyond ironic that those who use force to gain personal freedoms are most often criticized by the beneficiaries of those freedoms.
God bless you my friend, misguided as you are. And while Jesus was a pacifist I refuse to believe he wanted us to die without a fight.

Who would Jesus bomb? I know it's a simplistic question, but if what you say is true, everything Jesus taught and all the centuries of religious fervor in his name was wasted time and effort. It suggests that civilization is so imperfect that it isn't worth saving.

If the threat or use of force is the future of the world, we cannot continue to alienate our friends, we must have allies we can trust as well as qualified, competent leadership instead of the self serving, inept, politicized corruption of the Bush administration.

Mission Accomplished to Mission Impossible:

http://www.alternet.org/waroniraq/51056/

Bush didnt exaggerating. The idiots that interpreted his statement as you have are the ones exaggerating.

MARK

Video - Bill Moyers Journal - This is how the media bought the lies of the Bush administration:

http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/btw/watch.html

Gosh, Fit. You just keep on keeping on with that facade you throw up in people's faces about your "Christianity" and following Jesus.

Beyond being a pacifist (and totally up-in-arms with your fellow Americans, with whom you have a much better chance of life, than the ones you champion so much), what values of Jesus do you hold close? [ And, you know that your current lifestyle is one of the stated reasons for the Muslims that hate us to hate us. You would be instantly executed if your prescribed pacifism doesn't work for this nation. Don't you realize that?]

Back to my question of what values of Jesus do you hold: Humility or Name-calling and anger, which I've seen often in you? Leading a lifestyle that I consider to be an abomination despite your views otherwise? (Sorry to not be PC here, but this seems to be a subject that others avoid, but I calls them as I sees them.)

Beating on others intellectually while not displaying those behaviors you preach so much about yourself?

Why don't you just quit bringing up your "superior" self in connection with Christ's name to attempt to create doubt and shame in others, when in fact, you aren't? Any better than anyone else.

I see no need for you to question Trader's values. None whatsoever. Why must you drag this into every conversation you have when someone questions you about your views as if you are somehow much higher in value to Christ than others are? Is this the ex-Baptist minister in you? Sounds more like Phariseeism.

Why not show by example? That would be much more effective.

CBC Video - The Lies That Led To War:

http://www.bushflash.com/yt116.html

George Soros ;

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Soros

a Hungarian Jew. "grew up in a Jewish, anti-semitic home," and that his parents were "uncomfortable with their religious roots. Also Like AKA Jon Stewart…

Hungarian "soros" means "next in line, or designated successor",

Soros emigrated to England in 1947 and graduated from the London School of Economics in 1952.

In 1956 he moved to the United States, where he worked as an arbitrage trader with F. M. Mayer from 1956 to 1959

On Black Wednesday (September 16, 1992), Soros became immediately famous when he sold short more than $10 billion worth of pounds, profiting from the Bank of England's and again in 1997 with casing the so called Asian Currency Flu beginning with the Thai Bhat. Thai nationals have called Soros "an economic war criminal" who "sucks the blood from the people".

SOROS is a Convicted felon and crook. In 1988, he was asked to join a takeover attempt of the French bank Société Générale. He declined to participate in the bid, but did later buy a number of shares in the company. French authorities began an investigation in 1989, and in 2002 a French court ruled that it was insider trading as defined under French securities laws and fined him $2 million which was the amount that he made using the insider information.

Punitive damages were not sought because of the delay in bringing the case to trial. Soros denied any wrongdoing and said news of the takeover was public knowledge.[11]

His insider trading conviction was upheld by the highest court in France on June 14, 2006.[12] In December, 2006 he appealled to the European Court of Human Rights, claiming that the 14 year delay in bringing the case to trial precluded a fair hearing.[13]

SOROS is a self professed, GOLBAL ONE GOVERNMENT SOCIALIST, a happily professed narcissist and a proud declared person admittedly of no consensus as to the consequences of his actions.

Victor Niederhoffer said of Soros: "Most of all, George believed even then in a mixed economy, one with a strong central international government to correct for the excesses of self-interest."

Soros draws a distinction between being a participant in the market and working to change the rules that market participants must follow. Responding to accusations of being personally responsible for many financial collapses, including those in England, Eastern Europe, and Thailand, he stated, "As a market participant, I don't need to be concerned with the consequences of my [financial] actions."

SOROS IS AN OBSESSED BUSH HATER

Soros gave $3 million to the Center for American Progress, committed $5 million to MoveOn, while he and his friend Peter Lewis each gave America Coming Together $10 million. (All were groups that worked to support Democrats in the 2004 election.) On September 28, 2004 he dedicated more money to the campaign and kicked off his own multi-state tour with a speech: Why We Must Not Re-elect President Bush[18] delivered at the National Press Club in Washington, DC.

The online transcript to this speech received many hits after Dick Cheney accidentally referred to FactCheck.org

Soros donated $23,581,000 to various 527 Groups dedicated to defeating President George Bush. Despite Soros' efforts, Bush was reelected to a second term as president in U.S. presidential election, 2004.
Of the top 20 527 Groups, Soros money controls 17 of the 20.

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Trader, what is your point in all of that? I saw no indication that George Soros had anything to do with the CBC News video, and even if so, how would that have any bearing on the accuracy or inaccuracy of its content?

My point, is your point, there is no indication that there is any bearing to your point.

I merely listed a trailed sources of the vast majority of the distortions you use in your links....

Can you prove Soros' money and organizations had no involvement in any of this propaganda spew and was not as ill intent as you claim for Bush.

Can you disprove my statement as well as prove your redention of the Bush anti-Christ theorm of relativity any more than you can prove without ANY doubt, Bush is the criminal you lament he is?

Why no, that is why you use these regurgitated origined spins of Moveon, Tides and Media Matters... Thus, making it so easy to back track the sources....You have been a big help adding to my flow chart of the new deevolution of today's McCarthy Liberal's Gone Wild, dossier. Thank you...

Soros's Deep Pockets vs. Bush
Financier Contributes $5 Million More in Effort to Oust President
By Laura Blumenfeld
Washington Post Staff Writer
Tuesday, November 11, 2003; Page A03

NEW YORK -- George Soros, one of the world's richest men, has given away nearly $5 billion to promote democracy in the former Soviet bloc, Africa and Asia. Now he has a new project: defeating President Bush.

"It is the central focus of my life," Soros said, his blue eyes settled on an unseen target. The 2004 presidential race, he said in an interview, is "a matter of life and death."

In giving $15.5 million to the effort to defeat President Bush, George Soros has filled a gap in Democratic Party finances

Soros, who has financed efforts to promote open societies in more than 50 countries around the world, is bringing the fight home, he said. On Monday, he and a partner committed up to $5 million to MoveOn.org, a liberal activist group, bringing to $15.5 million the total of his personal contributions to oust Bush.

Overnight, Soros, 74, has become the major financial player of the left. He has elicited cries of foul play from the right. And with a tight nod, he pledged: "If necessary, I would give more money."

"America, under Bush, is a danger to the world," Soros said. Then he smiled: "And I'm willing to put my money where my mouth is."

Soros believes that a "supremacist ideology"???????!!!!!! guides this White House. He hears echoes in its rhetoric of his childhood in occupied Hungary. "When I hear Bush say, 'You're either with us or against us,' it reminds me of the Germans." It conjures up memories, he said, of Nazi slogans on the walls, Der Feind Hort mit ("The enemy is listening"). "My experiences under Nazi and Soviet rule have sensitized me," he said in a soft Hungarian accent.

Soros's contributions are filling a gap in Democratic Party finances that opened after the restrictions in the 2002 McCain-Feingold law took effect. In the past, political parties paid a large share of television and get-out-the-vote costs with unregulated "soft money" contributions from corporations, unions and rich individuals. The parties are now barred from accepting such money. But non-party groups in both camps are stepping in, accepting soft money and taking over voter mobilization.

"It's incredibly ironic that George Soros is trying to create a more open society by using an unregulated, under-the-radar-screen, shadowy, soft-money group to do it," Republican National Committee spokeswoman Christine Iverson said. "George Soros has purchased the Democratic Party."

In past election cycles, Soros contributed relatively modest sums. In 2000, his aide said, he gave $122,000, mostly to Democratic causes and candidates. But recently, Soros has grown alarmed at the influence of neoconservatives, whom he calls "a bunch of extremists guided by a crude form of social Darwinism."

Neoconservatives, Soros said, are exploiting the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, to promote a preexisting agenda of preemptive war and world dominion. "Bush feels that on September 11th he was anointed by God," Soros said. "He's leading the U.S. and the world toward a vicious circle of escalating violence."

Soros said he had been waking at 3 a.m., his thoughts shaking him "like an alarm clock." Sitting in his robe, he wrote his ideas down, longhand, on a stack of pads. In January, PublicAffairs will publish them as a book, "The Bubble of American Supremacy" (an excerpt appears in December's Atlantic Monthly). In it, he argues for a collective approach to security, increased foreign aid and "preventive action."

"It would be too immodest for a private person to set himself up against the president ," he said. "But it is, in fact" -- he chuckled -- "the Soros Doctorine."

His campaign began last summer with the help of Morton H. Halperin, a liberal think tank veteran. Soros invited Democratic strategists to his house in Southampton, Long Island, including Clinton chief of staff John D. Podesta, Jeremy Rosner, Robert Boorstin and Carl Pope.

They discussed the coming election. Standing on the back deck, the evening sun angling into their eyes, Soros took aside Steve Rosenthal, CEO of the liberal activist group America Coming Together (ACT), and Ellen Malcolm, its president. They were proposing to mobilize voters in 17 battleground states. Soros told them he would give ACT $10 million.

Asked about his moment in the sun, Rosenthal deadpanned: "We were disappointed. We thought a guy like George Soros could do more." Then he laughed. "No, kidding! It was thrilling."

Malcolm: "It was like getting his Good Housekeeping Seal of Approval."

"They were ready to kiss me," Soros quipped.

Before coffee the next morning, his friend Peter Lewis, chairman of the Progressive Corp., had pledged $10 million to ACT. Rob Glaser, founder and CEO of RealNetworks, promised $2 million. Rob McKay, president of the McKay Family Foundation, gave $1 million and benefactors Lewis and Dorothy Cullman committed $500,000.

Soros also promised up to $3 million to Podesta's new think tank, the Center for American Progress.

Soros will continue to recruit wealthy donors for his campaign. Having put a lot of money into the war of ideas around the world, he has learned that "money buys talent; you can advocate more effectively."

At his home in Westchester, N.Y., he raised $115,000 for Democratic presidential candidate Howard Dean. He also supports Democratic presidential contenders Sen. John F. Kerry (Mass.), retired Gen. Wesley K. Clark and Rep. Richard A. Gephardt (Mo.).

In an effort to limit Soros's influence, the RNC sent a letter to Dean Monday, asking him to request that ACT and similar organizations follow the McCain-Feingold restrictions limiting individual contributions to $2,000.

The RNC is not the only group irked by Soros. Fred Wertheimer, president of Democracy 21, which promotes changes in campaign finance , has benefited from Soros's grants over the years. Soros has backed altering campaign finance, an aide said, donating close to $18 million over the past seven years.

"There's some irony, given the supporting role he played in helping to end the soft money system," Wertheimer said. "I'm sorry that Mr. Soros has decided to put so much money into a political effort to defeat a candidate. We will be watchdogging him closely."

An aide said Soros welcomes the scrutiny. Soros has become as rich as he has, the aide said, because he has a preternatural instinct for a good deal.

Asked whether he would trade his $7 billion fortune to unseat Bush, Soros opened his mouth. Then he closed it. The proposal hung in the air: Would he become poor to beat Bush?

He said, "If someone guaranteed it."
Isn't it interesting that HIS rhetoric is what is spewed out by the leftists on this forum and others. They are being CONTROLLED by Soros, yet consider themselves to be "free thinkers." And, he's using under-the-radar methods to create his "open " society. Talk about hypocritical. Notice who he is supporting as candidates. Man, I'm running away as fast as I can from those guys.

He's not been elected by anyone, but is attempting to run this country and others, based upon HIS beliefs. And, he complains about George Bush ruining the world?

Soros is the new world dictator, unelected, and buying his way with his $$. I hope he squanders his whole wad and becomes penniless. The world would be better off.

Incidentally, he's also the big contributor to ACLU, which is working as fast as it can to destroy America. BTW, did they try to help Imus during his problems?

Most corporate money goes to Republicans.

http://www.hightowerlowdown.org/node/1177

"Bush has gone AWOL" - General William Odom:

http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2007/04/28/820/

Even IF your statement is true, which I doubt, Don't think a one-man corporation ever tried bringing down a President, nor rule the world like Soros does. It's absolutely scary. He's a dictator.

Again, I hope he ends up a penniless bum, and with me being his socialworker. From my computer screen to God's ears/eyes...........

http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/042707A.shtml

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18316770/

Thanks again, Trader, for your research and exposing the lies of the left.

I notice that all d2 can do is post more links telling more lies of the left.

I think he's speechless..........impotent is the word, I think.

Hi Solo, how are you? ustrader was the one who brought up values, especially my values: "Sweet Jesus FITS, you along with your friend's yoke of values show, it was never about others, or your country going downhill at all. It has always been about your values of conceded defeat, bred in the finest me-ist tradition of relativism that assumes; you won't skid, if you stay in a rut."

Solo, at least ustrader did give us a long account of what his values are. Now, I'm not asking you to psychoanalyze my values, my Pharaseeism, or my homosexuality. You can stop the personal attacks, and state what your values are. I'm asking Christians if the teachings of Jesus are their values. What are Jesus' expressed values? Those are the values I believe we are required to exemplify. You can start with the entire Sermon on the Mount, Matthew 5, 6, and 7. Do you feel there is any stated value of Jesus that Christians are not supposed to agree with? Whom would Jesus bomb?

Nah! You first. Which ones do you personify?

Nice try to ask a question with a question, but it won't work, and I asked first. Don't quote a long list of scripture, written by someone other than you. Just list them.

Now about the personal attack-thing, I don't think you are qualified to say anything about anyone else in that department. Not by a long shot. I used to read one after another made by you to other posters on Jane and other sites before I said anything.

I can see now that Trader is the "good guy," and I'm the "bad" one. You use shame tactics a lot, Fit, whether or not you want me psychoanalyze you. If you'll stop "religionizing" people, I'll quit the psychoanalyzing, as you call it. We're both scrutinizing people, using a book of rules. I know them both quite well, inside and out. I'm not sure that can be said of you.

BTW, look at my first signature statement if you want to know what really gets under my skin..............

You probably think you know more than General Odom, who is certainly not a leftist. There's nothing leftist about exposing the lies, incompetence and corruption of the Bush gang of thugs.

http://thinkprogress.org/2007/04/29/rice-u...ons-inspectors/

http://thinkprogress.org/2007/04/29/murtha-impeachment/

The authors of this new era of Liberal McCarthyism will be given the distinction of addressing the Democratic National Convention. This will strike terror in the hearts of the fearful and will act as a call to arms for those unafraid to perish in determined will, over gotcha lynching and the weakness of this new era of disunion...

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/nation/4756983.html

http://www.antiwar.com/prather/?articleid=10890

You've shown us a good self portrait there, Trader. I'd be a bit depressed too, except that I'm more optimistic than ever from seeing a slow but sure public recognition of the lies, the vast crookedness and incompetence of the fraudulent Bush administration. It's delightful to see the ignorant suckers for Bush's lies who, like you, are struggling to defend the tragically flawed policies and inept political hacks of neoCONism. Day after day, it's a real pleasure to see more and more of Bush's cronies, slimy banana Republicans and sleazy chickenhawks being being investigated for corruption, being fired, or having to resign in disgrace.

No, what you are seeing are a group of soulless men eager to sell out their nation's security in order to regain power, by making cases where there are none in order to appease idiots like yourself into thinking something really big is happening.

The fact that you swallow these lies put out by Soros and others shows how incapable you are of true thinking.

Your guys are the hacks, sad to say, because their noise is so persuasive to know-nothings like yourself.

But, I am glad you are capable of actually using your fingers in a coordinated effort to write your own thoughts, even though the labels you use definitely come from the cookiecutter sites you get them from.

Oh well, Rome wasn't built in a day. Maybe you'll eventually get old enough to become wise and regret your vacant and purloined words you've thrown about.

Tell me..........what is the meaning of a Neo-con? I know, but I want to know if you do.

No fair checking out other sites. Just use your own words without the pejoratives. I assume you know how to do that? And, I assume you know what "pejorative" means? Without consulting a dictionary?

Why don't we lay off the thinly veiled personal attacks, and the not-so-thinly veiled attacks? I quoted you where I get my values: the teachings of Jesus. I don't always obey all the teachings of Jesus, but they are the teachings by which I am willing to be judged, and the standards by which Christians may be judged.

You need me to list the teachings of Jesus? Too long. But I'll give you some examples: love your enemies, do good to those who misuse or despise you, bless them that curse you, be peacemakers, turn the other cheek, walk the second mile, give up both your tunic and cloak in a lawsuit; settle your lawsuits on the steps of the courthouse before completing the lawsuit, don't do your alms before men, practice your fasting privately, help the widows and orphans, don't swear oaths. Life consists not in the things of the world. Pay your taxes. Render unto Caesar that which rightfully belongs to Caesar, and unto God those things that are exclusively God's.

I have found that almost nobody - Christian or otherwise - argues against the teachings of Jesus. Too many folks just ignore those teachings.

Okay, SoloNav, your turn.

What No link? Must have had to do a lot of cut and paste to get all that from somewhere.

I did like the adjectives of "da-script" though somewhat impressionistic, very supercilious, in a harried and harrowed like mannerism of noticeable excitability and clear obtuseness.

I would not use the word “struggle” as defining my stance here at this site nor does the evidence in the body of my counter –insurgent rebukes and redoubts suggest such.

Nor would the word “defend” be descriptive of my commentary either. As it is NOT FOR BUSH, I stand up for, but my America, not yours, that is my call to arms in my counter insurgent rebukes of those like you when you spew all this slime of nay, blame and shame on my mother land so free and brave and clearlu undeserving for likes of you.

I will not relent nor yield, one crack in the street, one spade of earth of my mother land, to the likes, in mindset and psyche, of those like you and some here, who stand in hollows of emptiness and nothingness. exalting in great bellows of regurgitated Nay, Blame and Shame, against her and who and what she is, as if she was, as evil and vile as those you defend and enable by directness, by proxy and or with this dementia’s of distortions and half truths, supped from the greatest depths of inability and capability.

It is the likes of those like you in this world that I stand up against, in fact with very little struggle. As one needs not struggle nor defend against the weakest, the frailest and most infirmed, as that would be to cruel, to slap down, that which but a mere puff of air would set asunder in a tumble weed fall of an already established self blunder.

(du-yu-go-dv a-yo-s-di) (v-gi-ni-li)

On affaiblit toujours tout ce qu'on exagere. ( We always weaken whatever we exaggerate. eh D2!)

"There are grounds for wondering whether the Republican party will survive this dilemma." William F. Buckley

The Waning of the GOP:

http://www.alternet.org/blogs/peek/#51252

America - Fascism in 10 easy steps:

http://www.alternet.org/waroniraq/51150/

DAS SCRIPT

[quote name='Fit2BThaied' date='Apr 30 2007, 08:45 PM' post='101210']
Why don't we lay off the thinly veiled personal attacks, and the not-so-thinly veiled attacks? I quoted you where I get my values: the teachings of Jesus. I don't always obey all the teachings of Jesus, but they are the teachings by which I am willing to be judged, and the standards by which Christians may be judged. [/quote]

Don't think my remarks are thinly veiled at all. Try another well-worn phrase, Fit.

[quote]You need me to list the teachings of Jesus? [/quote]

I don't think so. I didn't ask you to list the teachings. In fact I asked you not to, just list the values you live by. I know the teachings quite well.

I have found that almost nobody - Christian or otherwise - argues against the teachings of Jesus. Too many folks just ignore those teachings.

Okay, SoloNav, your turn.
[/quote]
Yes, I agree with folks ignoring those teachings. I think that was my point.

My turn for what?

[quote name='d2d2' post='101218' date='Apr 30 2007, 10:33 PM']

The Waning of the GOP:


[/quote]

No, we're just sitting back and watching your guys hang yourself by your ying-yang.

It's a trap.

And, seems like Pelosi, Reid and Clinton are walking right into it.

There are several conservative commentators I agree with on some issues. One of them is William F. Buckley, who has remarkable foresight for a conservative, and if he believes the neocon scheme for dominance in the middle east is lost, even the most extreme right wingers should believe it.

And what is more remarkable are the military leaders, retired and otherwise, who now oppose Bush's Iraq debacle.

Iraq Generals to Bush: You've Failed Us

http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/050207B.shtml

Would that be the 5 "retired" generals that came out against him, or the remaining active dozens that didn't?

How does the figure of generals and regular foot-soldier types that support Bush? Do they count? If not,why not?

Solo, I'm afraid the children and the "neo-anarchists" .....just want to blow up the ship of state. They want to extinguish the "best last hope" of mankind (The US) so that they can more self-righteously follow their own perversions in peace.

...meanwhile...back on the ranch...the demos keep encouraging the terrorists to do their thing, banking on the idea that sooner or later we will surrender.

Well...we shall not surrender, but it looks today as if we have to go through a self inflicted blood-bath with the demos in power before the American people get sick of their lies and cowardice...and we take our country back.
Best regards
KenBean

Let us all not be of any illusion of the reality here. Our retreat from Iraq and shortly thereafter from Afghanistan, is not measured in if, but merely in when.

Likewise, the Deem-ocrats are likely to gain more power in Congress and in the White House, via the normalcy that has historically been the American political pendulum it seems. If history is to be any judge and the Deem-ocrats historic advantage in numbers advantages them as it has for 65% of the time since 1970, that transition and overwhelming elitist media bias yellow pressing it will likely prevail.

The true forces at work in this complexity that is the contrary duplicity which is a big part of America’s dual vacillation of complicity, between consumed isolationist narcissism and the need for a nationalistic identity and defensive security. As it, once again swinging towards that this delineates our propensity to historically, pole towards changing political vacillations, from one extreme to the other.

The coming Cum By Ya-ism of the more left the ever Deem-ocrats relativists, well-identified purveyor’s of what is to be the consummate American Political equivalent to FUBAR and SNAFU, is about upon us. They will more than likely bring much pain and suffering to us far sooner than we can imagine, as they escape into this world of reason and rationality of relative denial. Wherefrom 35% of them, equating to 17% of all Americans, absolutely think the Devil Bush actually planned and executed the killing of 3,036 Americans and the additional lost of some 1.6 trillion in Economic output, merely to go to war in Iraq and against Muslims for oil.

Yet they and our foes whom now mistakenly bask in their glory, think there is victory in the air. Yet, nay it is not a victory but merely an interlude to a beginning of what will be Bush’s legacy of undeterred determination and non-political agenda that has seeded division in the Middle East to a fevers pitches once he allows the Deem-ocrats to take credit for the troop withdrawals from Iraq and latter Afghanistan. Thus in that taking without question is what they fear the most, the responsibility for the aftermath that is unquestionably to follow.

They have wholly miscalculated the incubating seeds, this stubborn, often assumed ignorant ineffective Texan everybody loves to hate, has left behind. They in the think speak of denial think unassumingly these divisions well entrenched now will just vanish as if not relative and nor relevant in the incubated divisions that will soon be swallowing up the Middle East.

This will be that often lamented, little ignorant non-politician’s W’s legacy leaving our cut and run friends of far more capable FUBAR and SNAFU effectiveness and inattentiveness than anything else, with much to deal with that cannot be ignored while Bush fades away. They are truly the incompetent lamenters of Nay, Blame and Shame, who will have their day from which they must cry and cannot escape all the coming blame and shame with no one else in sight to blame.

If my assessment is correct, who knows if it is or will be, as it merely an opinion. G.W. will use the Democrats own opposition plans to pull the troops out in some quantity of numbers in late 2007 or earlier to mid 2008. Having laid and now grown the seeds of an irrevocable regional division and inter-family discourse among those who otherwise would be the resource that would, in the alternative, most likely be used in efforts to destroy us. On the contrary, as the regional divisions erupt, pitting ancient foes against one and the other bred in the fermented poison minds of vendetta and revenge so common to region. The focus of the world will once again be inevitably fixated on the reality that no matter how strongly we try to exit the region, our lustful lifeblood of dependence, will always be drawing us back.

That is until the day, we need nothing from them, as we the world of oil addicts, did not in Rwanda, Somalia, Dalfour, East Timor and th