Ok d2. You despise Clinton, you depise Bush........... You always complain............. How about giving us your solutions and vision on how this country should be run. NO LINKS!. Your thoughts and words. I am beginnig to believe you are an anarchist. Open a dialog here, it will make for facinating discussion.

And I will not berate or ridicule your positions on this. You have my word on that. Truce.

No, I am not an anarchist, I am a retired engineer and I believe in the capitalist system and the exactness of Ohms law, mathematics and science. My patriotism is for the people, the geography and the Constitution of this great country. I have no tolerance for counterproductive political manipulation, mismanagement, lies, or incompetence and that is why I have no trust or respect for the fraudulent Bush administration or for its bogus war of choice. None of that has anything to do with whether or not I identify with any political party or ideology, so you would be wrong if you think this is coming from any kind of liberal extremism.

A dialog opened here could make a fascinating discussion, but first, you should try to give up any ideas you may have that conservatives and Republicans are all good and Democrats and liberals are all bad. They are like Fords and Chevrolets. They have all had good years and bad years. And you should try to accept some other facts now in evidence.

1. Bush lied the US into an unnecessary war. Iraq had nothing to do with 9-11. The 9-11 attackers were primarily from the US "ally" Saudi Arabia. Bin Laden was and probably still is in Afghanistan. The Bushies ignored the Presidential Daily Briefing of August 7, 2001, entitled "Bin Laden determined to strike in the US."

2. There were no WMDs in Iraq. The uranium from Niger was a hoax based on forged Italian documents. The Bushies either knew this or should have known it. It was well known by intelligence agencies but was squelched because it didn't fit the Bush administration agenda of making war for profit.

3. Saddam Hussein, bad as he was, had no significant alliance with Al-Qaida or with religious extremists.

And if you think of yourself as a conservative, make a true comparison of traditional conservative values of efficiency and integrity with the non-values of the neo-cons. An honest examination should make it clear to anyone that there is far more con than conservatism in the failed neo-con ideology.

1. Bush lied the US into an unnecessary war. Iraq had nothing to do with 9-11. The 9-11 attackers were primarily from the US "ally" Saudi Arabia. Bin Laden was and probably still is in Afghanistan. The Bushies ignored the Presidential Daily Briefing of August 7, 2001, entitled "Bin Laden determined to strike in the US."

You dislike my posting of links, which may contain facts you find disagreeable and may contain opinions far more informed and influential than mine. You already know my opinion of the Bush crime family. It's based on their incompetence, their deceit, their assault on our civil liberties, and their total mismanagement of everything from natural disaster recovery to the Iraq war. That's what you get in goverment and in private business when you appoint political favorites and loyalist hacks instead of qualified people to important positions. And so we got one miserable leadership failure after another, just as we saw from Gonzales and Rumsfeld. We are seeing catastrophic failure in Iraq that has multiplied the threat of terrorism. So unless, like former GOP Congressman Bob Barr, you are prepared to risk accepting an epiphany, I don't see any point in carrying this discussion much further, except that it gives me further opportunities to ridicule and insult George W. Bush, the liar-in-chief.



ONLY 640 days 12Hours to go till its over, limp buscuit.

Your 78.03% near done with this 2,920 day tormented soul's obession of derangment and diatribes!!!


Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it. -Thomas Paine


ONLY IF THERE IS TRUTH IN THE REASON TO OBEY,

ONLY IF DICTATED, BY REASONS WHICH ARE IGNORANT OF THE TRUTH AND THE WILL TO ENDURE WITHIN THE HUMAN HEART. O headless one.

I'll not listen to reason . . . . Reason always means what someone else has got to say, leaving unheard, the voices of others who may have equal or better reason.

You dislike my posting of links, which may contain facts you find disagreeable and may contain opinions far more informed and influential than mine. You already know my opinion of the Bush crime family. It's based on their incompetence, their deceit, their assault on our civil liberties, and their total mismanagement of everything from natural disaster recovery to the Iraq war. That's what you get in government and in private business when you appoint political favorites and loyalist hacks instead of qualified people to important positions. And so we got one miserable leadership failure after another, just as we saw from Gonzales and Rumsfeld. We are seeing catastrophic failure in Iraq that has multiplied the threat of terrorism. So unless, like former GOP Congressman Bob Barr, you are prepared to risk accepting an epiphany, I don't see any point in carrying this discussion much further, except that it gives me further opportunities to ridicule and insult George W. Bush, the liar-in-chief.

Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it. Thomas Paine

I thought we were to open a dialog here.

I submit my points to challange your assertions and you are supposed to counter my assertions with facts and logic. Yet you have ignored all my rebuttals and launched into a hate Bush diatribe. Again.

And then you tell me the discussion is closed because I cannot see things your way???

Let's try this again. I will give you a mulligan here. Please provide your OWN thoughts as to why the facts I posted are in error. Lets's debate here and not rant.

You're asking the impossible for a one-note-song type of person. However, you've done an excellent illustration of his ineptitude and the invalidity of his one-note arguments. Kudos.

I thought we were to open a dialog here.

I submit my points to challange your assertions and you are supposed to counter my assertions with facts and logic. Yet you have ignored all my rebuttals and launched into a hate Bush diatribe. Again.

And then you tell me the discussion is closed because I cannot see things your way???

Let's try this again. I will give you a mulligan here. Please provide your OWN thoughts as to why the facts I posted are in error. Lets's debate here and not rant.

You have a problem with reading comprehension. I did not say the discussion is closed. I said I did not see a point in continuing the discussion. Maybe you can find one. Maybe there isn't one if you've made up your mind and aren't going to even consider anything that might change it. Any evidence or outside opinion I link to support my views would be disregarded by you as a liberal rant, no matter who wrote it, no matter if they were right or wrong. You'd blame it on Clinton or you'd avoid the real issue by digging up some irrelevant dirt on someone, something that doesn't really say if the writer is correct in his or her assertions.

You say there were WMDs in Iraq, I say they were not in Iraq, they are at Kirtland AFB in Albuquerque, New Mexico. I say the Iraq invasion is a huge mistake that became a brutal occupation and a diversion from the fight against terrorism. You probably think it would be OK to have permanent one party rule by Republicans. You apparantly think it is OK for a US President to have unlimited, even dictatorial powers without oversight of Congress and with no respect for the Constitution or the will of the majority of Americans, who no longer believe Bush's lies and want the Iraq war ended.

You have a problem with reading comprehension. I did not say the discussion is closed. I said I did not see a point in continuing the discussion. Maybe you can find one. Maybe there isn't one if you've made up your mind and aren't going to even consider anything that might change it. Any evidence or outside opinion I link to support my views would be disregarded by you as a liberal rant, no matter who wrote it, no matter if they were right or wrong. You'd blame it on Clinton or you'd avoid the real issue by digging up some irrelevant dirt on someone, something that doesn't really say if the writer is correct in his or her assertions.

You say there were WMDs in Iraq, I say they were not in Iraq, they are at Kirtland AFB in Albuquerque, New Mexico. I say the Iraq invasion is a huge mistake that became a brutal occupation and a diversion from the fight against terrorism. You probably think it would be OK to have permanent one party rule by Republicans. You apparantly think it is OK for a US President to have unlimited, even dictatorial powers without oversight of Congress and with no respect for the Constitution or the will of the majority of Americans, who no longer believe Bush's lies and want the Iraq war ended.