Thanks for sharing Trader. This begs the question... How many more active duty military and prospective joinees are now coming to the same conclusion?? Just who would be willing to give up their lives for the likes of Pelosi, Reid, Clinton and the fools on this board that you fingered. The very fools that owe their putrid existance to those that have sacificed in battle, many with their lives. Who would fight for fools that dismiss the 3000 plus killed on 911 as a political event?? The fools that are blissfully unaware of the radical muslim threat that menaces the entire world.

I thank you and clan for your selfless service endeavoring to preserve our way of life. I too am "locked and loaded" fearing the worst. However as bleak as it may seem I will take the time to fight this war with words until words no longer work. I hope you and yours will do the same. We may have lost a round or two but the fight is far from over.......................................................

If dear old USTrader is as senile as he appears to be when he tries to write in English, I doubt the Defense Department will be requiring his services.

Those who swear the oath, by whatever God they believe, to defend the USA, effectively forfeit their rights to differentiate between good and bad, moral and immoral, right-wing enemies or left-wing enemies, etc. For practical purposes, they must obey all orders, even if possibly unConstitutional, immoral, awful, or unlawful. Troops who are on active duty don't get to say, "Oh, I'm just killing enemies so that I protect my favorite citizens back home."

Besides, the one he calls FITS isn't asking American soldiers to kill to protect my life. Bless them that curse you, love your enemies, do good to those who despitefully use you. And if you don't agree with that, then you disagree with Jesus, and can argue against His words.

[quote name='Fit2BThaied' date='May 12 2007, 06:24 AM' post='101400']
If dear old USTrader is as senile as he appears to be when he tries to write in English, I doubt the Defense Department will be requiring his services.

I would not want to have someone as grammatically challenged as Trader arguing my case. His confused vocabulary and lack of skill in coherent language and sentence construction was so revealing that it must have done considerable damage to his cause. Whatever valid points he may have had were obscured by an unconvincing, inscrutable, pseudo-intellectual verbal briar patch.

Yes, and I don't enjoy pointing out USTrader's mangled words. It's just that we're having discussions here, and he usually makes no sense. So, to make one of his statements the topic of discussion, only highlights the problem.

Errrrrrr, I think he's saying that his 11 family members active in service have decided to not re-enlist when the time comes. 16/11 = a little over one year apiece.

Don't think he meant himself personally.

He doesn't seem as senile now, does he?

You need to be more charitable to those that oppose you, like you stated above.

While Traders posts can be a hard read at times the one I quoted is perfectly clear. As were my comments regarding said post. Yet Fit and d2 would not address the points of Traders quote and my post. . Instead they choose to attack and ignore the logic facing them. For if they were to accept this truth and logic the sand pillars of all their liberal beliefs would be washed away by one high tide. Their cult will not allow that to happen.

Those that will not fight to preserve our way of life are as much an enemy as those that wish to destroy it.

Both fakes. Each in their own way. I'm through believing anything one has ever said, and never found the other palatable. Both are superior to anyone on this board, you know.

USTrader's last post was nothing more than a convoluted and lame excuse for his inability to defend the non stop lies and corruption of the fraudulent Bush administration. These self-serving criminal ba$tards are no better than common thugs and should be impeached. Then they should be put on trial as war criminals. The incompetent GOP loyalists, inept shysters and political hacks the Busheviks have appointed instead of qualified professionals should all be fired.

Whatever.

Go back to high school tomorrow and tell your liberal teachers who put this garbage into your mind your sad story. That is if you are even IN high school.

I was quite young in 1964 and foolishly voted for Barry Goldwater. Do you remember what he said about extremism in defense of liberty? That comment was a substantial contribution to his defeat in the 1964 election. True conservative Americans didn't like right wing extremism in 1964 and we don't like it now, particularly the neo-con, chickenhawk brand of counterproductive torture and gunboat diplomacy that we now know has broken the treasury, multiplied the threat of terrorism, created catastrophic failure of American foreign policy and the brutal, insane Iraq occupation.

As I said before, there is nothing inherently liberal or conservative about exposing the lies and corruption of the Bush administration.

Sometimes if I read ustrader's post a second or third time, after someone's interpreted it, I get a couple of ideas from it. Generally, though, they're not worth trying to decipher from gibberish. In this case, my first and second reads showed it to be a rant against those who oppose the current administration's warmongering. If that's why their younger family members object to - the unsupported warmongering of Bush & Co. - then they should not reenlist.

It was, however, a rant against me personally, and I responded that I wasn't asking his family members to defend me, anyway. Post #6 by Nomad makes the very mistake I'm being falsely accused of - not reading the statement of the opponent and then not replying on topic. I did not point out the inaccuracies by Nomad in Post #1 - misspelling and inacurrate numbers - nor did I respond in kind, using words such as fools and putrid.

So, perhaps even the right wing and the superpatriots are realizing finally that it isn't worth serving in the voluntary military.

you are = you're, not your. ex. You're an illiterate

your = possessive. ex. Your teacher shouldn't have let you graduate 3rd grade.....dummy.

The war propaganda BS has gotten into this poor man's brain. Don't blame him for his lack of heart and intelligence.....just humor the poor fellow.

First of all, if you want to talk about spin, the idea that George Bush was re-elected to take the fight to the terrorist IN IRAQ is about the biggest spin I've heard. The terrorists are in Afghanistan, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Egypt...the idea that we're taking the war to the terrorists in Iraq is idiotic. Secondly, if the Congress were to cut off funding for the war, that would not be 'micromanaging the war," that would be ending the war.

But here's the bigger issue. If people on your side are sooooooo supportive of the troops, you'd think you'd be up in arms over sending them to war based on a fabrication. Instead, you are more intent on defending the Fabricator Guy than you are on defending the troops. That shows where your true loyalty lies and it shows the limited extent of your intellectual honesty.

Feel better now, Mr. Left?

Yes, SoloNav...I do feel much better! I believe I won this argument.

No need to hear any lame responses from the neo-con righties. They know they'll get beaten down once again.




Hurray! This leftie wins again!

Actually, I was making fun of you. (yawn)

Now that's funny, I don't care who you are.

Just one easy find with google using "death count 9 11 attack" got me this:

911
The final death toll of the attack upon the World Trade Centre on September 11th, 2001
2752 —31 October, 2003
2792 —3 August, 2003 2795 —3 November 2002 2814 —29 August 2002 2830 —31 March 2002 3478 —30 October 2001

Am I the only one here who's responding to the issue? Does a military person have any right to say he's only fighting for the ultraconservative Nazis? Only for the pinko liberals? Are the Amish liberals?

What would Jesus do, asks Nomad. Nomad believes "Jesus does not advocate laying down to be slain by those that do not believe in Him." Jesus laid down his life knowing he would be slain by soldiers who did not believe in Him. Read your Bible.

I referred to the 911 attacks. Not just the WTC (and BTW it's spelled center nor centre). You convieniently left out the people that were KILLED in the pentagon and the passengers on the four planes. Over 3000 were killed in the 911 attacks. Now when are you going to stop picking sh!t with the rest of the chickens??? The fact remains that thousands of innocent American civilians were killed on 911. If you are still not upset with this to this day you are not an American.


The Bible also says Homosexuality is a sin. But I guess in your selective translations you overlooked that..

Nomad, you're off topic. You said Jesus wouldn't lay down his life to be killed by those who didn't believe as he did, and I proved you wrong.

If it will make you feel any better, I'll admit you're probably right about the other casualties. I was wrong about that. Now, care to admit you were wrong about what Jesus laid down his life for?

Yep, Nomad, Satan himself can quote ALL the scriptures...and lie in the doing so.

Jesus died for the righteous and the self righteous.

I must admit, I can only speed-read Trader's tortured prose without getting a headache

...but all he needs is a good editor. Some of the other posters here need to leave their little protected soap bubbles of existence and face the real world.

Evidently, Trader gets a giggle playing with the language...well, so do I. At least he doesn't spout cowardice into his posts as some sort of "good".

Trader, please thank your "clan members" for me. Thank them for their service.
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If the family of ustrader no longer wants to lay down their lives for the USA and its people, fine.