Minneapolis is home to a vast number of Muslims. Enough Muslims to send a Muslim to congress. Is it a coincidence that a major metropolitan area would suffer such a catastrophic failure of infrastructure in such a critical location?? The Feds says no terrorism is involved here. How can they make that assumption when the backgrounds of eveyone involved in the recent maintenece of that span have not been checked. I will bet a dollar to a donut that Muslims recently worked that span and the feds will not make this info public just to cover their asses.

This bridge was taken down by Muslims.

You and I have the same thoughts.

Neither did they blow up a big part the major gasoline plant owned by Israeli's on the first anniversary of 9/11 in the same town I lived at that time.

This is a joke right? I can't believe this is even being suggested..

My prediction.. structural stability undermined by inattentive, insufficiently planned construction details. I blame the construction company contracted to do the renovation on the bridge, and to a lesser extent, the Minnesota state government.. which probably sought to renovate this bridge on the cheap because they were already dishing out large sums for the highway renovation on the other side of town.

No. I'm serious as a heart attack. Especially about the oil/gasoline refinery I mentioned. $2M damage, and not a peep until 2 weeks after the incident.................one little paragraph. Seems that a contract worker tripped over a line............Riiiighhttt!

There were black helicopters all over the place, just like after 9/11 when we had had 3 terrorists in town going to school at the airplane school getting training in.............crop dusting. And, one of our docs was whisked away for money-laundering for AQ.......an Arab.


Your suggestion is just as plausible, though. I just keep an open mind after what I'd been through in that little berg from which I moved last year.

I dunno. I just have a hard time believing in big conspiracies. I simply can't believe that our government could keep a lid on it if they did really suspect terrorism was to blame.

Plus, it's not like bridge collapses haven't happened before. In my own home region, around Milwaukee, Wisconsin, we had a major highway bridge collapse. We just avoided any injuries because we detected the structural failure well ahead of the actual collapse.

Saw a video of the collapse just now..............guess it was structural from the way it went down.

Correction on the gasoline refinery-thing, it was 9M in damage and the plant was closed for 2 weeks. The story of what caused the damage was one week later.

But let's not forget the accusations in the opening racist, bigoted post.

I think that part has been dropped. Why are you bringing it up again?
You know, for a pacifist, you are mighty feisty about not letting sleeping dogs lie.

We active pacifists just can never win against you non-pacifists. If we just lie back and never say or do anything good, we're 'passivists.' If we stand up and call sin sin, or call bigotry bigotry, we're accused of being belligerent, pushy, arrogant, overly righteous, etc. If the vicious dog finally lies down but shows no signs of sleeping (note the bigot has not retracted his accusation here; that part has NOT been dropped), we're accused of not letting sleeping dogs lie. Can't win.


You can be pretty feisty yourself, SoloNav. But you're not a bigot.

Unless that sin is homosexuality, right Fit?
Like I said, you have an arrogant ATTITUDE and you think you are the "better" Christian because you practice pacifism. Good for you! Now, I wouldn't think you were being such a hypocrite if you weren't practicing homosexuality. Sin is sin and we all sin and if you fall to it and lustfully view men on occasion,then that's fine....but you don't. You don't even consider homosexuality sin WHEN THE BIBLE MAKES IT QUITE CLEAR THAT IT IS. (and you say WE'RE not being Christ-like??? Give me a freaking break) You just come up with the excuse of "well,the English translation isn't accurate" or some other garbage excuse like that and the others crap only found on gay-friendly "Bible study" sites.

Hmm, what did Jesus say about hypocrites?

However, I do agree with you that the original poster mistakenly blamed Muslims for this bridge collapse.

Now go pray,read the Bible thoroughly..primarily 1Corinthians, and repent from your sin of homosexuality, THEN and ONLY THEN can you come back and judge others. Take the log out of your own eye (or wherever that log is inserted in your body) before you say anything to anyone, Christian or not.

By the way, what's "active pacifism"? Is that actively being friends with everybody and actively spreading lies and propaganda about American Soldiers? Or is that actively breaking bread with the enemy you say we should love, the Taliban and those who think like them, thinking that they'll actually stop killing if only we set a good example? Excuse me...I think I hear reality calling.
You are so blind, it's unbelievable....but sexual sin does that to a person. 1 Cor explains pretty well how sexual sin is a big no-no for a Christian. I would be laughing at your blindness, but I don't because I feel very sorry for you. I pray that God will open your eyes someday, Fit.

Brother KenRI, you're changing the subject. You appear to be saying that you will accept no lessons on morality or ethics from a homosexual, but you also refuse to take pacifism lessons from heterosexual Christian pacifists!

I think that's what really rankles you and Ken Bean: that a homosexual is telling his fellow Christians that it isn't righteous to wage warfare. As I say, hetero Christian pacifists have been saying it for almost two thousand years, and you've turned two blind eyes and two deaf ears to them.

Iraq, Afghanistan and the War on Terror; that's the sub-forum here on Bearpit. Let me answer one question, though.

What is active pacifism? It's being peacemakers (makers and creators and maintainers of true peace, which is nonviolent), being blessed by God for being peacemakers, and being called "God's children" by nonbelievers because you're out there unarmed actually making peace nonviolently. Obviously, you can't make peace violently. Here's a quote I'm reading by Joanie: "Oh dear. War has been going on long before anybody dreamed up communism. It's just the latest justification for self-righteousness. The problem is consensus. There's a consensus out there that it's okay to kill when your government decides who to kill......If you kill outside the country, right time, right season, latest enemy, you get a medal...every country thinks it's a swell idea to bump off all the rest because he's more important...."

According to Joan Baez, you're the self-righteous one, trying to justify the sin of war-making. Hey, I'll join you in admitting that we're all self-righteous at times. My pacifist friends and I are not out aiding and abetting the enemy, but we're 'guilty' of loving the enemy. You appear to be guilty of not loving the enemy......

So now you're teaching pacifism lessons?? Please.
I only said what I said to you because you repeatedly say "we don't follow the commands of Jesus" and then you imply (overtly) that you do. Really? Read 1Cor. Sexual sin is a big issue for a (supposed) Christian to be involved in...especially homosexaulity. AT LEAST CALL IT A SIN, Fit. So before you preach your gospel of "love the barbarians so they can kill more innocents" you need to look in the mirror and straighten out your own rather huge sexual immorality problem. The fact that you don't even recognize it as a sin makes me wonder about your salvation. And it certainly explains why you are so blind to many other things Biblical.

Everytime you take it up the rear or in your mouth, you are also involving the Holy Spirit who lives in you (according to you) in that activity. This is just what absolutely disgusts me about you.

Talking about taking a penis in the mouth or the anus is.....definitely....OFF TOPIC!!!

You asked, in this thread, "what is active pacifism?" and I answered you. Yes, as if you had not noticed, I've been preaching peace or teaching active peacemaking on these forums since the day I joined.

Are you guilty of not loving the enemy? Do you think that when Jesus was reported by Matthew and Luke to have said, "Love your enemy," that they were drunk, stoned or stupid? NO!

Maybe I've already asked it here or there, but notice that the Korean Christians who were doing aid or development work in Afghanistan have been kidnapped and their pastor has been murdered. Did they fail to learn the correct method of doing Christian work as Christians, obeying Christ, in Afghanistan? Should they have killed the Muslims with a Bible, or with a Koran, KenRI? I honestly still believe that you are trying to develop some method of dealing with nonChristians in conflict settings. What is the solution in occupied Afghanistan, in your opinion, please, brother?