Having read the entire text today of Osama, the dyed lama’s video, I was profoundly struck as to how compatible Osama Bin Laden’s statements were in comparison to our, “of one mind,” US and Euro skeptics, Obama Doom-o-crats and the Kos Ubber-Liberal Fascists.

I was particular struck in reflection of how our "of one mind" cadre’s views are uncannily similar to so many of Osama ‘s comments in today’s video. He, like them, spoke in one voice of similarity, unquestionably speaking in meaning and dogma from the same page as if written by the same authors. They and he today, recant in saying the exact same things, in the same ways, as if quoting one and to the other.

Osama today clearly spoke, as a true Zeitgeist doom mongering who opines in habitual misinformation and or disingenuous informed Zoomorphism’s and Schadenfreude Relativism as do our “of one mind,” US and Euro skeptics, Obama Doom-o-crats and the Kos Ubber-Liberal Fascists.

He spoke as if copulating with his likeminded US and Euro cadres, complementing one another in the deadly intent and purpose of Osama Bin Laden to such an extent that he used them today as facilitating examples of the world’s future envisioned by him, where democracy is evil and doomed to be destroyed.

What is dangerously pathetic is a man like Osama Bin Laden would speak in likeminded complements as if his victorious Islamic Revolution is to be won on the backs of our US and Euro skeptics, Obama Doom-o-crats and the Kos Ubber-Liberal Fascist’s, mental distorts on the invisible road to an unattained utopia.

Distortions afar from the Bin Laden visions that intends to destroy them as well as those like me, whom he knows will unrelentingly fight to the death against, those ubber liberal fascists whom he counts on to assist him to an unattainable victory otherwise, and he, who would destroy us all.



P.S. TRADER CLAN -Update:

I was hoping to soon post the following;

To update since the last post, three (3), all senior Noncom’s and seasoned leaders of combat trigger pullers, have retired many years before they wanted to. Three (3) more, all commissioned officers, all of whom have completed their “initial 8 years “EOS”, obligated Service, have submitted their resignation endorsement letters up their chain of command as is required. We expect all three to soon receive endorsements and authorizations per their requests. Of the remaining 4, all Combat Veterans, 2 are back from deployment with less than 5 months to go on their hitches and have, at great personal costs to their families, rejected their re-up bonus being offered. The other two (2) are currently deployed, 1 in Iraq and 1 in Afghanistan. All have less than and or up to 6 months to go on this rotation. The latter are at the end of their last re-up cycle and are not going to re-up upon their return stateside.

God willing the Entire 11 members of the Family should all be out and gone before the official “ME-o-cratic Zeitgeist era” begins, heralding the high water mark of yet another attempt at yet another “Me-o-cracy of the United States of America.”

Instead, with a coupling of great misgivings, trepidation, yet, esteemed pride. I must report our 11 warriors, who will have 19.5 combat years of experience soon. This cadre of brothers in arms, who know and pay the real price of freedom and liberty have been unable to abandon their comrades, that so few, giving all, for so many who give nothing at all.

As such, they have decided to remain in the fight having come to an appreciation for our nation’s recent tendencies to betray them and their sacrifices, like their 8 fathers, uncle’s and cousins before them. They accept with great anger this ever-increasing Euro-American self-centric mob’s capricious tendencies. Tendencies so often touted as an unpaid tab of self-amalgamation and rationalized perpetual discredit of a collective indecisive disunity presumed endowed in inalienable entitlement of liberty and freedoms as long as those few others, whom they betray in appreciation, pay the price of admission as if freedom and liberty were a gift card.

That is All!

Agree with your remarks about the Uber liberals who sound like OBL. Sad day to see.

Our nation is indebted to the men/women like the 11 of your tribe that continue in the fray. If it weren't for people like that, now and in the past, this nation would have ceased to exist.

I thank God for them!

Such a simple statement that tries to conveyfeelings that cannot be expressed by mere words.

Saying that Liberals sound like bin Laden is like saying that Conservatives sound like Hitler.

Neither comparison means a ###### thing, and both are examples of the kind of nonsense that is killing our Republic. Please get off the partisan warhorse.

We agree this uber liberal fascism derived in and of narcassistic disunity is what is killing our Repubic there my friend.

You have not entirely completed your research on the topic you espouse in ill informed disagreement here.

Perhaps you should read the entire text of Osama's recitation then respond informed as to how it was "not" contextually clearly made in a copy cat of Uber-Liberal dogmatics, provoking joy in the death of democracy, the evils of globalism, capitalism and in the efference substances of uber Collectivist's virtues. It was like the Daily Kos and Moveon .org and Euro-skeptic left had written his preverted parsings for him.

Take the subjects he used item by item and you will find them, by line item on every uber liberal fascist site one can imagine.

O' by the way, you keep pontificating about Vietnam in comparison to Iraq, as if you knew something directly from experience about one and or the other.

May I inquire as to where you obtained such first hand knowledge, when, and with whom did you serve in Vietnam and or Iraq?

Better a warhorse than a "not my war or my problem" parisite living unearned in freedom and liberty, whoring openly, as if doing something other than talking the talk about how freedom and liberty is an entitlement granted merely for being alive in a place were its toll is paid by so few for so many of the growing numbers of the unwilling who assume they have earned and deserved it, eh comrade?


That is all!!

Happy Trails...

I can tolerate all the nutball wing-nut neo-conservative propaganda that exists. It's fine. That's just politics. But it genuinely bothers me when some fool attempts to score a political victory on a ridiculous comparison based on nothing but his own blind hatred. And then he has the gaul to wrap it in flawed and misused legalese dialogue.

The fact that you even put "liberal" and "fascist" together demonstrates that you're not qualified to use the terms. I mean.. "Islamic Fascist" is at least a potential ideological category. But "liberal" and "fascist" are opposites, regardless of the spin you'd like to place on the issue.

My credentials to speak on this topic are as good as yours -- nothing that can be substantiated in any way on the internet. I'm sure you'll come back with some glowing story about how you were the only survivor of your squad when the liberals left you without ammunition in a swamp in Cambodia. The difference is I won't make up a ridiculous story to validate my opinions. My opinions stand for themselves. If you can't face them on their merits.. then I don't see how that's my problem.

Your last paragraph demonstrates your true nature.. Showing none of the intellectual pretension that you demonstrated in previous paragraphs. Nothing but hatred and gibberish insults. And why? Because I politely pointed out your obvious hypocrisy? Get over it. You're not the first person to be humiliated on the internet. Your audience isn't even that big. You probably only got about 5 viewers anyway.

But you are correct about one thing, the burden should be shared. And I'm in favor of renewing the draft so that more of our young people will be sent overseas to interact with other cultures and learn the effects of international relations. Better appreciate different cultures.. and appreciate our own Republic. I wish one or two of our current leaders would have actually seen military service.. so that they might better understand. But Democracy is about shared benefit and shared responsibility. The current system only creates a division between the militarized, resentful grunt and the privileged, docile sheep -- another division that in no way serves the greatness of the Republic.

Osama's words? He never speaks without an intent. His words sound like a man trying hard to legitimize his position to a larger, more affluent population. He lost all of his credibility outside of the Muslim world on 9-11. But the Iraq War has given him an opportunity to look again like a sympathetic figure. He attempts to attach himself to the legitimate positions of western liberals because he hopes that George Bush's political opponents might be converted to military opponents. This belief is false. Because no matter how much we may disapprove of George Bush's foolish policies, our first priority as a nation is to kill bin Laden and his core loyalists. Bin Laden deludes himself. He still believes that it was his Mujahideen which destroyed the Soviet Union. He thinks that America is near a similar implosion. He is wrong. ...Although you sound like you're pretty much ready to implode.

Trader has been around this site much longer than you, the newcomer, and kept this site running almost entirely alone after its implosion when nutcases destroyed it, one of which is a "liberal." He has many more fans than 5, believe me.......

And, yes, he does have military service, among many that have helped keep this nation as it is. He's not humiliated........ He's given folks like you and me freedom to do what we are doing now. I take offense at your description of your imagined battlefield scenario.

Anyhoo, how does what you said about OBL wanting to attach himself to legitimate positions of western liberals differ that much from what Trader said, and to which I agreed? Just curious.

I can tolerate all the nutball wing-nut neo-conservative propaganda that exists. It's fine. That's just politics.

Yet, in an obvious oxymora, you redact in clear unambiguous contrarian commentary, you cannot tolerate such and in addition later show us you actually have a strong propensity to presume and assume you know something you are not likely to know about another in any way or means except by intolerance, ridicule and righteously self- presumed supposition. That Gentle lady is the very foundation of what is called Liberal fascism.

What you can say is thus far you have provided to us “little people” with a punditry, which contextually says one thing while lamenting entirely another and opposite context as if from provided by an alter ego.


But it genuinely bothers me when some fool attempts to score a political victory on a ridiculous comparison based on nothing but his own blind hatred. And then he has the gaul to wrap it in flawed and misused legalese dialogue.[/color]


The fact that you even put "liberal" and "fascist" together demonstrates that you're not qualified to use the terms.

I mean.. "Islamic Fascist" is at least a potential ideological category. But "liberal" and "fascist" are opposites, regardless of the spin you'd like to place on the issue.

O yes, another juvenile denial monger, I think therefore I am, thus it is,” ideologue of rationality and reason subjugating pragmatic realism for logical fallacies “that if one is this, he cannot be that, and or, if he is not this, he has to be that.”

Kinda like the hollowwood reality shows were non-whites often lament as if intellectually correct, as such that they can not be racists as that would be an absurd correlation of an opposite, where the oppressed act as the oppressors, as if that has never happened. Eh?

It is amusing to hear such inexperience naivety, professing in absolutes, there is no way possible that there is in existence, today, in America, a Liberal fascism that can be seen, read and heard profusely in deed, act and meaningful intent. It is indeed a comic of error and blind ambition that does not see those who seek to demean, pervert and demonize, not only the country, its political and social initutions, but equally seek to deviate it’s core values far and away from that which has been its greatest strength. Its embedded diversity of opinions, which will not be allowed to be shouted down in mere difference, by elitist’s, retorts and like minded juvenile recantations.

The word "fascist" ( or "fascism") is sometimes used to denigrate persons, institutions or groups that would not describe themselves as fascist and that do not fall within the formal definition of the word but who in being subscribed as such, do act and personify the true purpose and intent behind the idiom that is fascism.

Where from, a collective ideal is presumed that a centralized social lowest common denominator of authority is best, when it is controlled by an elite few or elitists ideology of a few, which uses the tools of fascism, thus, misinformation, propaganda and outright vitriolic demeaning presumptiveness towards all who oppose their point of view.

Oddly, similar to the presumptive self-righteousness you have exhibited here. Whereby you assume I am not only a partisan unqualified fool full of hate and warmongering propensities. Thus, by your sole estimation, as if it were an absolute authority, you pervert the point further by dishonest contradictory commentary using the very methodology used in liberal fascist’s codifications. From which entitled elitists presume in meaning to convey that those who disagree with their likeminded liberalism and presumed visions for America must surely and unquestionably be mere ignorant fools, unqualified to have an opine and or be capability having some intellectual substance.

Much like Islamist Fascist, who in like wise acts and deeds prefer to use murder, death and terror, rather than demeaning presumptive superiority, deceit and dishonesty to postulate an intended control over others who do not accept their perverted Ideology as the absolute alternative to a better tomorrow.

As a political epithet “Fascist’ has been applied to persons and groups equally, on the extreme left, the extreme right and most points in between, supposed falsely sometimes, yet often correctly justified by the acts, deeds and intent of those it was directed at.

I guess that kind of demurs onto the light of reality, these logical fallacies of yours that ASSumes correctness that liberalism per se can and does not use fascist tools to ensure its dominance, eh comrade?


My credentials to speak on this topic are as good as yours -- nothing that can be substantiated in any way on the internet. I'm sure you'll come back with some glowing story about how you were the only survivor of your squad when the liberals left you without ammunition in a swamp in Cambodia.

O yes, the credentials of divine authority, spas mile, that’s the ticket to validation and substance, eh?

Credentials; a set of documents provided by an accredited and authorized entity that constitute an authenticity in evidence of training, licensure, experience, and expertise of the aforementioned practitioner as an experts in such matters.

Odd you should use such a word of entitled dominion. Your defensive panties are perhaps flapping the breeze of insecurity perhaps my friend? No one ask you about your credentials to speak, though your avoidance of the question posed and your unspoken response to the real question posed speaks volumes as to your experience and knowledge as that which you to do speak.

I am amused at your fear of exposure and how it would elicit from your mental pretentiousness such an implied condescension about an unknown person’s war record. Your condescension of a defender of your liberty and rights in your fictional over exasperated juvenile obtuse punditry, shows us more about what you are and are not than you will ever imagine. Yet, another example of Liberal fascism were there is an assumption that such fictional events would need to be lamented in vituperative of implied negativity as a thing that is in opposition to what you stand for.

Equally, you give us another example of Liberal fascism. Whereby, you express the idea that a mere thought in your inexperienced mind, as to the quality and substance of the experienced who may be disagreeable to your visionary superiority, carries with it far more credence than another who is unknown to you. These condescending vitriolic comments speaks volumes as to your vision of our fighting men and women and the fate of this country which you obviously in uninvolved symbiosis live off. While they who provide you the nourishment for your very existence pay for it with their blood, toll and sacrifice. While you do what, exactly, to deserve such entitlements of credential as presumed by you.


The difference is I won't make up a ridiculous story to validate my opinions. My opinions stand for themselves. If you can't face them on their merits.. then I don't see how that's my problem.

Yet, you have done exact that by saying that I did it. I did not make up what Osama Bin Laden said. Nor did I make up the text in which for his own purposes he setforth his validation and endorsement of those Doom-0crats and ubber-iberals he endorsed in message. Thus, it seems misinformation and a lack of researched facts is the very thread of substance that you would hang your hat of intellectual credentials on. Not me.

We agree, your merits or lack thereof are not my problem. Yet, I have not read anything here provided by you that validates your opinion in the absolution that you presume is there either.


Your last paragraph demonstrates your true nature.. Showing none of the intellectual pretension that you demonstrated in previous paragraphs. Nothing but hatred and gibberish insults. And why? Because I politely pointed out your obvious hypocrisy?

My last paragraph was the following;

Better a warhorse than a "not my war or my problem" parisite living unearned in freedom and liberty, whoring openly, as if doing something other than talking the talk about how freedom and liberty is an entitlement granted merely for being alive in a place were its toll is paid by so few for so many of the growing numbers of the unwilling who assume they have earned and deserved it, eh comrade?

Indeed it does, Obi, as it describes yours thus far as I can attain from the juvenile name calling and presumed superior self worth in comparison to those this paragraph praise in willing sacrifices for liberty and freedom you merely take for granted it seems.[/size]

I think thee gives they self credit for a class unattended and a grade unearned, how so hypocrisy, hatred, gibberish and insults, anymore than your pontifications, brown cow?

Get over it.

Child I never got an incline to it, what ever the it you profuse about is?

You're not the first person to be humiliated on the internet.

A man who crows in illusion as to his merits and illusions of victories is only a man that crows, giving no measure nor credence to him nor his merits, much less his false illusion of unearned victory.

A man who is and has something needs not say it is so, likewise, the same is likely never true of a man who is and has nothing.

Yet, a man who “must” illustrate to others his meritorious and meaningfulness as to what he is and or is not and particularly what others are and are not, in comparison, often as not, speaks from a purposelessness of reality wholly unrelated to what he is and or what he has done or will be and or will do.

Disagreement equivocatingly is not synonymous with disagreeable vitriol except by the intolerance and authoritarian. Nor is academics presumed omnipotence equally as to some absolute infallibility. They are instead, nature’s representative paradox of and about humanity, seldom sacrosanct and as often as not, as wrong as right.

Puff on, big daddy, puff on!

Your audience isn't even that big. You probably only got about 5 viewers anyway.

Ouch, that was so hurtful and cruel, NOT!! What a meaningless blow for intellectual substance. Bet you are proud that you were capable of coming up with that sump pump titillation. Perhaps the Daily Kos is more up tempo and your speed in intellect, maturity and substance?

But you are correct about one thing, the burden should be shared. And I'm in favor of renewing the draft so that more of our young people will be sent overseas to interact with other cultures and learn the effects of international relations. Better appreciate different cultures.. and appreciate our own Republic. I wish one or two of our current leaders would have actually seen military service.. so that they might better understand. But Democracy is about shared benefit and shared responsibility. The current system only creates a division between the militarized, resentful grunt and the privileged, docile sheep -- another division that in no way serves the greatness of the Republic.

Yeah, right, like the anti-Vietnam movement was solely and exclusively about Vietnam and the people of Vietnam, rather than what was at the real core cause for concern and overt involvement. Which was, like today's far smaller voice is about the Jihadist’s War of Terror, nothing more than narcissistic self indulgent driven anger over the possibility the flower children whom later transformed into the money obsessed Yuppies of latter years.

Their sole cause in massive majority, as history has shown, was not to indulge themselves in sacrifices of ”Ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country.” I did not then, nor do I now see any great massive herd of European’s and or American’s rushing toward the venues of self sacrifice in the name of the greater good of others. It is not like they do not have venues available outside of military service to their country and others is it?. The evidence is quite to the contrary, no one calls them to duty for others thus and only a few serve, the rest are far to self absorbed and indulgent to even note the realities of the world we live in that could thief away their narcissistic blindness for freedom without a bill to be paid.

Osama's words? He never speaks without an intent. His words sound like a man trying hard to legitimize his position to a larger, more affluent population. He lost all of his credibility outside of the Muslim world on 9-11.

Yet, he was in his video his words but echoed that of the doom-o-crats and ubber liberals, spoken in near verbatim lock step agreement and endorsement that their views and positions were of benefit to him. Thus, as you correctly deduced, he sought with deliberate intent and purpose, to endorse and thus validate their views, ideology, and visions as a beneficial part to his cause and intended visions.

To think he would recite the doom-o-crats and ubber liberals in a clear validation and endorsement of anything but what is in his interest otherwise is foolishly naive and apathetic as to the pragmatic reality of what this vision he and followers have for my kind, your kind, our doom-o-cratic and ubber liberal kind.

But the Iraq War has given him an opportunity to look again like a sympathetic figure.

Supposition and assumption made in a “war is not answer” conviction, which, when measured in the reality of just how corrupt and violent this planet’s people are toward one and the other, is neither practical nor provable in substance, act, deed and or reality.

He attempts to attach himself to the legitimate positions of western liberals because he hopes that George Bush's political opponents might be converted to military opponents.

Duh! Are you saying he wants Bush opponents to follow Bush’s “kill them where they are” stance? What in the world makes you assume that is Osama’s intent much less the intent of the doom-o-crats and ubber liberals who are so expressive in fear and obedience to him and his minor groups dictations? You have absolutely nothing to substantiate that illogical conclusion what so ever.

This belief is false. Because no matter how much we may disapprove of George Bush's foolish policies, our first priority as a nation is to kill bin Laden and his core loyalists. Bin Laden deludes himself. He still believes that it was his Mujahideen which destroyed the Soviet Union. He thinks that America is near a similar implosion. He is wrong. ...Although you sound like you're pretty much ready to implode.

Child, you preaching to choir, I have 11 members of my family who are first hand witnesses to the failures of Radical Isalm in its Jihadist war of Terror on the world of Muslim and non-Muslims alike. They express no doubt that this movement is doomed, though continuing, it has paid dearly to a near breaking point with tens of thousands of Islamist's fighters mothers weeping for sons who went off to fight in this False Jihad to never to be heard from again. If you only had a comprehension of just how many Saudi, Syrian and Lebanese families, speak of missing members of their family who have gone and not returned from the Jihad.

My imploding, now that is funny, uninformed for sure, but funny. I am getting the impression you have not been around long enough to grasp the vacillating tendency of our European and American public ‘s propensity to bend to the ubber left’s drip, drip, of unattained utopian rationality and over indulgent preference to be the willing in sacrifice over the last 40 years.

Especially when that hope and a prayer utopia is so prevalent among the elite who inform and conclude in absolute assuredness that violence thus war is not the answer, while that 85 to 90% of the other world’s humanity uses, in reality, both violence and war in near continual pragmatic offerings to attaining what they want when they want it.

Happy Trails, Bronco Bill!

Double posting again for some reason..

Happy Trails, Bronco Bill!

I foolishly responded to many of the points posed in the previous posts. At the end I returned to where I started. Basically, nothing that has been said in the posts between my first on this thread and this post (hopefully my last on this needlessly long-winded and tedious dialogue) influences in any way the original point which I introduced.

[quote name='SoloNav' date='Sep 8 2007, 08:29 AM' post='102420']Trader has been around this site much longer than you, the newcomer, and kept this site running almost entirely alone after its implosion when nutcases destroyed it, one of which is a "liberal." He has many more fans than 5, believe me.......[/quote]
I'm simply referring to the number of people who likely saw his post in the time frame that we were looking at. It's clear that the page-views are quite low. Longevity has nothing to do with it.

[quote name='SoloNav' date='Sep 8 2007, 08:29 AM' post='102420']And, yes, he does have military service, among many that have helped keep this nation as it is. He's not humiliated........ He's given folks like you and me freedom to do what we are doing now. I take offense at your description of your imagined battlefield scenario.[/quote]
And of course this can be proven. On the internet.. I have no reason to believe his credentials. And I have no reason to even believe that even if he possessed such "credentials" it would qualify him to speak on the subject any better than anyone else.

[quote name='SoloNav' date='Sep 8 2007, 08:29 AM' post='102420']Anyhoo, how does what you said about OBL wanting to attach himself to legitimate positions of western liberals differ that much from what Trader said, and to which I agreed? Just curious.[/quote]
Your posts suggest liberal politics are somehow akin to politics in support for terrorism. My post suggests that terrorists wish that using liberal politics would legitimize their position. My original point is simply that liberal politics cannot be blamed or criticized for Osama's words. Just as conservative politics cannot be blamed or critized for Hitler's words.

[quote name='ustrader' date='Sep 9 2007, 01:48 AM' post='102424'] Yet, in an obvious oxymora, you redact in clear unambiguous contrarian commentary, you cannot tolerate such and in addition later show us you actually have a strong propensity to presume and assume you know something you are not likely to know about another in any way or means except by intolerance, ridicule and righteously self- presumed supposition. That Gentle lady is the very foundation of what is called Liberal fascism.[/quote]
You'll notice that I said that I can tolerate the politics. I enjoy the politics. I just hate your packaging. Read that one a bit fast?

[quote name='ustrader' date='Sep 9 2007, 01:48 AM' post='102424'] O yes, another juvenile denial monger, I think therefore I am, thus it is,” ideologue of rationality and reason subjugating pragmatic realism for logical fallacies “that if one is this, he cannot be that, and or, if he is not this, he has to be that.”[/quote]
I'm not going to criticize your ridiculous (and often redundant) verbosity. But your rational is completely nonsensical here. Show me a square-circle. Define a color for white-black. There are categories which are mutually exclusive.

[quote name='ustrader' date='Sep 9 2007, 01:48 AM' post='102424']Kinda like the hollowwood reality shows were non-whites often lament as if intellectually correct, as such that they can not be racists as that would be an absurd correlation of an opposite, where the oppressed act as the oppressors, as if that has never happened. Eh?[/quote]
Way off topic and completely irrelevant.. Could not be more irrelevant; it doesn't even work in a generous metaphor for the previous argument.

[quote name='ustrader' date='Sep 9 2007, 01:48 AM' post='102424']It is amusing to hear such inexperience naivety, professing in absolutes, there is no way possible that there is in existence, today, in America, a Liberal fascism that can be seen, read and heard profusely in deed, act and meaningful intent. It is indeed a comic of error and blind ambition that does not see those who seek to demean, pervert and demonize, not only the country, its political and social initutions, but equally seek to deviate it’s core values far and away from that which has been its greatest strength. Its embedded diversity of opinions, which will not be allowed to be shouted down in mere difference, by elitist’s, retorts and like minded juvenile recantations.[/quote]
Fascism has a clear definition. Liberal has a clear definition. Why don't you show me your dictionary skills.

[quote name='ustrader' date='Sep 9 2007, 01:48 AM' post='102424'][color=red]The word "fascist" ( or "fascism") is sometimes used to denigrate persons, institutions or groups that would not describe themselves as fascist and that do not fall within the formal definition of the word but who in being subscribed as such, do act and personify the true purpose and intent behind the idiom that is fascism.

Where from, a collective ideal is presumed that a centralized social lowest common denominator of authority is best, when it is controlled by an elite few or elitists ideology of a few, which uses the tools of fascism, thus, misinformation, propaganda and outright vitriolic demeaning presumptiveness towards all who oppose their point of view.[/quote]
Oh I see. They're "fascist" in that they're not... Well thought-out argument, that. By applying the term so "liberally" the word loses all meaning.. except for the base emotional response which it ellicits, which is clearly the only true intent behind the use of the word. You've painted with a broad brush which could classify all who believe their opinions to be superior to some other as "fascist," yet you would only have the word trotted out when you feel the need to make an emotional score on the end of your diatribe. And you would then be guilty of the same variety of "fascist" behavior that you denigrate.

"Liberalism" and "fascism" are political ideologies. Liberalism prefers democracy, free market and equality. Fascism prefers dictatorship, corporatism and classism. If you want to decry "leftist fascists" that's one thing, obviously many communists could be examples of leftist fascists. And I'm sure there are a few such people still around in America. But "liberal" has a clear defintion.. which is clearly contrary to "fascist."

You can refer to many of the population of left-leaning Americans as "closed-minded" about their ideals, just as you can refer to many of the population of the right-leaning Americans as "closed-minded" about their ideals. But to call either side "fascist" when both sides still advocate their positions in open dialogue and over democratic elections is an insult to these democratic processes.

Would it offend you to hear those right of center broadly described as "conservative fascists" simply because they would like their ideas to prevail over the ideas of their opponents? You use the tactics that you decry.

Your definition fails. I agree, it is useful when you want to demonize an entire group of people for their personal ideology to compare them to a particularly hated past opponent. But your definition is substantially removed from the true definition. So much so that your use of the term in the context you've provided can only be described as emotion-driven and non-rational.

[quote name='ustrader' date='Sep 9 2007, 01:48 AM' post='102424']Oddly, similar to the presumptive self-righteousness you have exhibited here. Whereby you assume I am not only a partisan unqualified fool full of hate and warmongering propensities. Thus, by your sole estimation, as if it were an absolute authority, you pervert the point further by dishonest contradictory commentary using the very methodology used in liberal fascist’s codifications. From which entitled elitists presume in meaning to convey that those who disagree with their likeminded liberalism and presumed visions for America must surely and unquestionably be mere ignorant fools, unqualified to have an opine and or be capability having some intellectual substance.[/quote]
Ay. No one called you a warmonger. Why don't you point to the paragraph where I did all of that. You're saying that the choice is between being a liberal and a fascist.. or being neither. But you cannot be "liberal" without being "fascist"? Your logic eats itself..

[quote name='ustrader' date='Sep 9 2007, 01:48 AM' post='102424']Much like Islamist Fascist, who in like wise acts and deeds prefer to use murder, death and terror, rather than demeaning presumptive superiority, deceit and dishonesty to postulate an intended control over others who do not accept their perverted Ideology as the absolute alternative to a better tomorrow.[/quote]
I understand. All people who have a world view alternate to yours support some variety of "fascism" which oppresses your personal belief system. It makes sense.. in a sad sort of way.

[quote name='ustrader' date='Sep 9 2007, 01:48 AM' post='102424']I guess that kind of demurs onto the light of reality, these logical fallacies of yours that ASSumes correctness that liberalism per se can and does not use fascist tools to ensure its dominance, eh comrade?[/quote]
I think it's funny that you probably really believe that the "liberal" vice is closing in on you. America is a liberal nation. Democracy is liberalism. Equality, justice, and the rule of law. Woe and fear these three "fascist" institutions.

[quote name='ustrader' date='Sep 9 2007, 01:48 AM' post='102424']O yes, the credentials of divine authority, spas mile, that’s the ticket to validation and substance, eh?[/quote]
Where did divinity come into it? I merely said that I make no pretension. And I see no reason to waste time and energy on personal history lessons which would be impossible to validate and irrelevent to the conversation. And I invite you to make up whatever ridiculous internet story you'd like. Please feel free. Maybe throw in a shark or something.

[quote name='ustrader' date='Sep 9 2007, 01:48 AM' post='102424']I am amused at your fear of exposure and how it would elicit from your mental pretentiousness such an implied condescension about an unknown person’s war record. Your condescension of a defender of your liberty and rights in your fictional over exasperated juvenile obtuse punditry, shows us more about what you are and are not than you will ever imagine. Yet, another example of Liberal fascism were there is an assumption that such fictional events would need to be lamented in vituperative of implied negativity as a thing that is in opposition to what you stand for.[/quote]
Person? You're a line of text on a page. Anything behind that means nothing to me. Your opinions are only valid as far as I can find a logical rationale within the commentary to carry a consistent message. Your facts are only valid as far as they can be confirmed by other sources. And your past history, your "war record" means less than nothing when you have nothing but your text on this page to prove your place in that role. I could tell you that I was a Marine 2nd Lieutenant in the final years of Vietnam. I could tell you that I worked in the Bush State Department or KBR. But I see no need to tell you anything about my life. Quite honestly, the only reason you could have to look into my life experience would be to find some way to invalidate my opinions, rather than actually confronting these opinions on their merits. I'll remind you again, you have failed to do this at any point. If you refuse to debate on the merits of the argument (and not the merits of the individual) you're wasting my time.

[quote name='ustrader' date='Sep 9 2007, 01:48 AM' post='102424']We agree, your merits or lack thereof are not my problem. Yet, I have not read anything here provided by you that validates your opinion in the absolution that you presume is there either.[/quote]
Again. All you want to do is debate the quality of my experience. Not a comment to the quality of my words. Evasive to say the least.

[quote name='ustrader' date='Sep 9 2007, 01:48 AM' post='102424']A man who crows in illusion as to his merits and illusions of victories is only a man that crows, giving no measure nor credence to him nor his merits, much less his false illusion of unearned victory.

A man who is and has something needs not say it is so, likewise, the same is likely never true of a man who is and has nothing.

Yet, a man who “must” illustrate to others his meritorious and meaningfulness as to what he is and or is not and particularly what others are and are not, in comparison, often as not, speaks from a purposelessness of reality wholly unrelated to what he is and or what he has done or will be and or will do.

Disagreement equivocatingly is not synonymous with disagreeable vitriol except by the intolerance and authoritarian. Nor is academics presumed omnipotence equally as to some absolute infallibility. They are instead, nature’s representative paradox of and about humanity, seldom sacrosanct and as often as not, as wrong as right.[/quote]
So many words to say nothing.

[quote name='ustrader' date='Sep 9 2007, 01:48 AM' post='102424'] Ouch, that was so hurtful and cruel, NOT!! What a meaningless blow for intellectual substance. Bet you are proud that you were capable of coming up with that sump pump titillation. Perhaps the Daily Kos is more up tempo and your speed in intellect, maturity and substance?[/quote]
You're putting on such a melodramatic performance, I thought it was a shame that the daily pageviews were so low.

[quote name='ustrader' date='Sep 9 2007, 01:48 AM' post='102424']Yeah, right, like the anti-Vietnam movement was solely and exclusively about Vietnam and the people of Vietnam, rather than what was at the real core cause for concern and overt involvement. Which was, like today's far smaller voice is about the Jihadist’s War of Terror, nothing more than narcissistic self indulgent driven anger over the possibility the flower children whom later transformed into the money obsessed Yuppies of latter years.[/quote]
Yeah. That's what I meant.

[quote name='ustrader' date='Sep 9 2007, 01:48 AM' post='102424'][Their sole cause in massive majority, as history has shown, was not to indulge themselves in sacrifices of ”Ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country.” I did not then, nor do I now see any great massive herd of European’s and or American’s rushing toward the venues of self sacrifice in the name of the greater good of others. It is not like they do not have venues available outside of military service to their country and others is it?. The evidence is quite to the contrary, no one calls them to duty for others thus and only a few serve, the rest are far to self absorbed and indulgent to even note the realities of the world we live in that could thief away their narcissistic blindness for freedom without a bill to be paid.[/quote]
So your analysis is that only the noble volunteer military is worthy of praise. The population is bloated and helpless. Please note that the only time a military force is ever used in defense of freedom is for a society which values these freedoms. A military without a national conscience is nothing but a mercenary army. A military separated from the "self absorbed" "indulgent" denizens of their state is nothing more than a warband. Nothing more than al Qaeda. The humanity of America creates the miracle of a military force which defends such rights, rather than oppressing them. The military did not give us freedom. Our freedom gave us something worth protecting.

[quote name='ustrader' date='Sep 9 2007, 01:48 AM' post='102424'][color=red] Yet, he was in his video his words but echoed that of the doom-o-crats and ubber liberals, spoken in near verbatim lock step agreement and endorsement that their views and positions were of benefit to him. Thus, as you correctly deduced, he sought with deliberate intent and purpose, to endorse and thus validate their views, ideology, and visions as a beneficial part to his cause and intended visions.[/quote]
It should have tipped me off immediately when I saw "doom-o-crats" and "ubber" in the sentence that I wasn't going to be reading any enlightened political insight..

[quote name='ustrader' date='Sep 9 2007, 01:48 AM' post='102424'] Duh! Are you saying he wants Bush opponents to follow Bush’s “kill them where they are” stance? What in the world makes you assume that is Osama’s intent much less the intent of the doom-o-crats and ubber liberals who are so expressive in fear and obedience to him and his minor groups dictations? You have absolutely nothing to substantiate that illogical conclusion what so ever.[/quote]
Shocking how badly you misinterpreted that paragraph. Shocking. For all the endless dialogue.. you fail to comprehend on even the most basic analysis. I mean.. your first sentence is a laughably poor interpretation of my argument. Down hill from there.

[quote name='ustrader' date='Sep 9 2007, 01:48 AM' post='102424']Especially when that hope and a prayer utopia is so prevalent among the elite who inform and conclude in absolute assuredness that violence thus war is not the answer, while that 85 to 90% of the other world’s humanity uses, in reality, both violence and war in near continual pragmatic offerings to attaining what they want when they want it.[/quote]
I absolutely do not reject violence or war. But that wasn't the issue. The issue was the relationship between Osama's words and those of legitimate American politicians.

If the argument can be made that Osama's words indicate flaws in following leftist ideology. Then the argument can be made that Hitler's words indicate flaws in following conservative ideology. This is all that I came here to say. All of the rest of this nonsense is just distracting from that basic truism.

What would be the credentials that would convince you? I'm assuming, of course, that you then would trust the soldiers in the field who have said that liberals' comments have encouraged the terrorists?
I guess my point is that when liberals speak against the war, it gives the terrorists psychological assistance to continue, thinking they have somehow beaten us..........remember OBL's words that the West doesn't have the stomach for a war?

No, it doesn't. It actually stands for change from the norm, whatever that norm is. Favoring proposals for reform, open to new ideas for progress, and tolerant of the ideas and behavior of others; broad-minded.

You see, conservatives also believe in democracy, free market and equality. And, at least one liberal I know is quite against "democracy," which he calls mob-rule.

Do you not become uncomfortable to hear that his remarks so closely follow the current liberal Democrats' stances?

Excuse me,sunshine, but the military's purpose isn't to educate about and interact with foreign cultures, it's to win wars. The COIN strategy in Iraq, yes, we educate the enlisted in the foreign culture, but that is to be able to beat them and to out smart them and "PSYOP" the foreign population into doing what is in the United State's best interest. (which just so happens to be their best interest as well, seeing that the United States has the best form of freedom in the world)

You want young people to learn and interact with foreign cultures? Tell them to join the UN.

bin Laden. He can run but he can't hide. Well at least that is what Dubya says.

At least he wasn't in plain sight, and easy pickins' IF the President could just be found to give his permission.........for 3 days!! Clinton.

This is the story that is unfolding. This is the tactic the left's followers are falling for.

“You will kill 10 of our men, and we will kill 1 of yours, and in the end it will be you who tire of it.”
Ho Chi Minh

Speaking of the will of the American people.

This is a lesson learned. Please don't ask us to learn it again.

Happy Trails buckaroos!!Click to view attachment

Tora Bora.Plain sight? Does that sound familiar? Bush was supposed to be after him and can't even catch him because he uses people that our troops were fighting beforehand.

I can see it now.

"Hi Osama. Can you believe that Bush sent us in after you?"

Trading one Political Whorehouse for another.
Is stilling letting the Pimps control us!

Democrats give Socialist UNIONS new clout!

LABOR vs Corporate "TEA MONEY"

Donations to the Democratic and Republican parties by labor groups in 2006:

Democrats: $57.6 million

Republicans: $8.2 million

Source: Center for Responsive Politics By Julie Snider, USA TODAY

HOUSE DEMS' ( Tea Money) ACTIONS

• Passed a spending bill that would cut 20% from the proposed budget of the Office of Labor Management Standards, a Labor Department unit that investigates alleged union mismanagement.

• Inserted a provision into the farm bill, backed by government employee unions, that would block state efforts to outsource the running of food stamp programs.

• Passed new requirements that contractors on taxpayer-funded security, water and energy projects pay prevailing wages, which often equate to higher union wages.

• Approved legislation that unions say would make it easier to organize.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/20...on_N.htm?csp=34


Good News by Doom-ocrats, soon no one to blame!

Yet, fear not Doom-ocracy, there is still hope for you when you take charge, you will still have available, our dead and our economy, to blame in the leadership of doom and gloom!

"If the Republicans lose Virginia, Nebraska, Colorado, New Hampshire, Maine, Oregon and Minnesota - and pick up no new seats - the Democrats will have 57 votes in the Senate (counting Independent Sen. Joe Lieberman, who votes with them). It's enough to let a new Democratic president have her way legislatively without too much trouble."


http://www.nypost.com/seven/09122007/posto...enate_hopes.htm


The Democratic Patron’s MoveOn.Org full-page ad in The New York Times that landed on Washington doorsteps before sunrise Monday came from an anti-war group that’s normally friendly to Democrats. But by day’s end, the majority in Congress may have felt like victims of friendly fire.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0907/5751.html


THA T
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Another animation about the doom-ocracy! Click to view attachment

A MOVEON.Jihad person kills Dutch man with an axe merely over his anger over the Iraq war!!


Is this the beginning of MoveOn's Leftist's Jihad against the World, America and Americans??



Condolences site:

http://www.datalease.nl/thijs/index.php




American Confesses to Axing Dutch Student to Death

AMSTERDAM, Netherlands — A U.S. citizen has confessed to axing a 22-year-old Dutch student to death, his lawyer said has said, adding that the American had expressed a desire to punish the Netherlands for its government's support of the war in Iraq.

The suspect, Carlos Hartmann, 41, of Tecumseh, Michigan, confessed to the Sept. 8 killing on a train platform in the southern city of Roosendaal, lawyer Peter Gremmen said.

Hartmann appeared before a judge Tuesday and was ordered held for another two weeks for investigation.

"He hates soldiers, and says that the army kills people, so it would be legitimate if he were also to kill someone ... from the American military — or from its NATO allies," Gremmen said in a telephone interview.

When he failed to find a soldier at the Roosendaal train station, "he got such a crazy, disturbed idea that he killed a civilian," Gremmen said.

Hartmann did not attempt to escape the scene and was arrested shortly after the killing.

Dutch prosecutors confirmed that the suspect had confessed but did not identify him, in keeping with Dutch practice.

Under the Dutch legal system, Hartmann was not required to enter a plea Tuesday.

Dutch television program "4 In Het Land" reached both of Hartmann's parents by telephone.

"He was against the war, and he thought the U.S. was aggressive, going into other countries and making war," his mother, Delores, told the program. "You can be anti-war, you can be leftist, but not this — I never imagined something like this," she said, weeping.

Gerald Hartmann described his son as intelligent but said "he was an angry person too, I think; that's the problem."

Gremmen said Hartmann has lived in the Netherlands since 2002, supporting himself with English editing work for a Japanese company, which he could do by computer, and that he had no fixed address.

He said Hartmann had consented to undergo psychological testing, and was now "terribly sorry for his deed."

[/I]The victim, identified as Thijs Geers, was waiting for a train and had no connection with the suspect or the military.[/I] Online condolence registers in the Netherlands were flooded with thousands of messages of sympathy for him and his family.

BN/De Stem quoted a witness who asked to remain anonymous as describing Hartmann as striking Geers in the back of the head with the ax.

"It's a sad story," Gremmen, the lawyer, said. "But I'm glad he's admitted what he's done and that he's sorry for it."


That is All!!

A MOVEON.Jihad person kills Dutch man with an axe merely over his anger over the Iraq war!!


Is this the beginning of MoveOn's Leftist's Jihad against the World, America and Americans??



Condolences site:

http://www.datalease.nl/thijs/index.php




American Confesses to Axing Dutch Student to Death

AMSTERDAM, Netherlands — A U.S. citizen has confessed to axing a 22-year-old Dutch student to death, his lawyer said has said, adding that the American had expressed a desire to punish the Netherlands for its government's support of the war in Iraq.

The suspect, Carlos Hartmann, 41, of Tecumseh, Michigan, confessed to the Sept. 8 killing on a train platform in the southern city of Roosendaal, lawyer Peter Gremmen said.

Hartmann appeared before a judge Tuesday and was ordered held for another two weeks for investigation.

"He hates soldiers, and says that the army kills people, so it would be legitimate if he were also to kill someone ... from the American military — or from its NATO allies," Gremmen said in a telephone interview.

When he failed to find a soldier at the Roosendaal train station, "he got such a crazy, disturbed idea that he killed a civilian," Gremmen said.

Hartmann did not attempt to escape the scene and was arrested shortly after the killing.

Dutch prosecutors confirmed that the suspect had confessed but did not identify him, in keeping with Dutch practice.

Under the Dutch legal system, Hartmann was not required to enter a plea Tuesday.

Dutch television program "4 In Het Land" reached both of Hartmann's parents by telephone.

"He was against the war, and he thought the U.S. was aggressive, going into other countries and making war," his mother, Delores, told the program. "You can be anti-war, you can be leftist, but not this — I never imagined something like this," she said, weeping.

Gerald Hartmann described his son as intelligent but said "he was an angry person too, I think; that's the problem."

Gremmen said Hartmann has lived in the Netherlands since 2002, supporting himself with English editing work for a Japanese company, which he could do by computer, and that he had no fixed address.

He said Hartmann had consented to undergo psychological testing, and was now "terribly sorry for his deed."

[/I]The victim, identified as Thijs Geers, was waiting for a train and had no connection with the suspect or the military.[/I] Online condolence registers in the Netherlands were flooded with thousands of messages of sympathy for him and his family.

BN/De Stem quoted a witness who asked to remain anonymous as describing Hartmann as striking Geers in the back of the head with the ax.

"It's a sad story," Gremmen, the lawyer, said. "But I'm glad he's admitted what he's done and that he's sorry for it."


That is All!!

Yea. In plain sight. You gotta get over it, Grizz, and quit obfuscating.

MoveOn.Jihad fascist's attack Couric for not towing Ideological Line.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=60...earch&plindex=0

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=60...earch&plindex=0

Today's MoveOn.Jihad moonbats justifying baby killer intellect similarly today, 34 to 42 years hence.

To: PAO ( Pubic Affairs Officer) Centcom;

Dear Sirs;

I am writing in the hope that you will kindly forward or convey my inquiry to Admiral Fallon. So that he can seek, at his discretion, to either dispel and or confirm a commentary attributed to him regarding General Petraeus.

A commentary being used as an Ideological attack tool to deflect the public outrage as to the attacks by non-politicians on the General, our mission, our troops and our commanders in Iraq and in the greater Terrorist's War on America.

I have no affiliation remotely with any organization and or political group and am only responding in anger as a former Marine and disabled Vietnam Veteran, as is the Admiral.

I have first hand experience with our own people's personal attacks on us in the military using misinformation and myths in a "baby killer intellect" merely to prove some ideologues convenient truths and excuses for why attacks on us in the military where then, as they are now, appropriate and deserving.

We lost the war of American hearts and minds, then in Vietnam, as now, by not showing dishonest misinformation as the convenient truths and myths they were and are, when it was and is absolutely provable that what is and or was being said and or spread as absolute fact, was, in fact, false.

The quote that is being used all over the extensive and wide MoveOn.org internet network and now in the main stream media, even at Fox news, as an absolute truth attributed to the Admiral, is, in my humble opinion, an effort to deflect the outrage of criticism about these personal attacks on the General.

This is only the first salvo in a growing trend of American on American attacks on our troops as we who served in Vietnam are well aware.

The unnamed source, implied, as if in the Military and or present with the General and Admiral upon their first meetings and his taking over CENTCOM, is quoted as a defense for the attacks on the General, as if the Admiral is in some way agreeable with them.

"In sharp contrast to the lionization of Gen. David Petraeus by members of the U.S. Congress during his testimony this week, Petraeus's superior, Admiral William Fallon, chief of the Central Command (CENTCOM), derided Petraeus as a sycophant during their first meeting in Baghdad last March, according to Pentagon sources familiar with reports of the meeting."

Fallon told Petraeus that he considered him to be "an a s s-kissing little chickens h i t" and added, "I hate people like that", the sources say. That remark reportedly came after Petraeus began the meeting by making remarks that Fallon interpreted as trying to ingratiate himself with a superior."

I seek nothing nor even a response. Yes, I know the Admiral and our Military has issues that are more important on their plate than this. Yet, if this is provable as an untrue commentary used as a lie, to once again attack, those who put the mission above all. I implore the Admiral to consider that his mission, as, I am confident, he is well aware, is as much about the military component, with important components of some importance as to the Iraqi and Afghani hearts and minds.

Yet, is it not equally and even more importantly, about the hearts and minds of Americans?

Is it not equally important to focus as much on correcting harmful misinformation, as it is to inform, with and, only with, the truth in dutiful honor and integrity?

That common valor, which is at the Corp of our Military and its hollowed honored traditions of winning, in the right way, for right reasons, giving no advantage to our enemies and or those who would, in falsity, have our missions fail. We have already paid for a fair chance at success dearly in hollowed blood, treasure and, perhaps, in the very destiny of our nation's future.

Do deceptions and misinformation that harm our efforts not deserve an effective response if it is truthfully and honestly available?


Respectfully

IF GAGED BY THE AVERAGE OF ALL POLLS, THE MEDIA AND CONGRESS TELLS US, "NO ONE IS LISTENING TO BUSH."

Yet, if polls are the ultimate gage as every pundit says, what does that say about who IS LISTENING to THE MEDIA and to CONGRESS?

Bush- Average 34.0% approval and 61.4% disapproval

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/polls/archive/?poll_id=19

Congress- Average 23.5% Approval and 65.8% Disapproval

"The influence of the established media is waning."

True- 64%

False- 36%

Votes: 715

"American reporters are a threat to national security."

True- 73%

False- 27%

Votes: 1565

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/polls/archive/?poll_id=18

Gallup Poll. Sept. 7-10, 2006. N=1,002 adults nationwide. MoE ± 3.


"Now thinking for a moment about the news media: In general, do you think the news media is too liberal, just about right, or too conservative?" Options rotated



----------------------Too--------About----Too
----------------------Liberal-----Right----Conservative------Unsure
----------------------%----------%--------%-------------------%

.
9/7-10/06 44 33 19 4

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9/12-15/05 46 37 16 1

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9/13-15/04 48 33 15 4

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9/03------------45 39 14 2

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2/03------------45 36 15 4

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9/02------------47 37 13 3

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9/01------------45 40 11 4


Too Liberal Average -45.7%

About Right Average- 36.4%

Too Conservative Average- 13.1%

http://www.pollingreport.com/media.htm

That is all!!

Having landed here, by link, from that vitriol which is the Daily Kos, I ponder on a thought or two.

“FEARFUL DENIAL MONGERING” comes to mind. That abstract of rationality from the other side of a mythical universe seeded in the ideology of doom and gloom a vision vested in denial supplanted by individualistic narcissism and obsesses of absolution’s guilt free visions of yet seen utopia.

It is that angry idiom of absolute infallibility, bred in urban legends, paying no price for anything, but seemingly knowing the price of everything. That free lunch entitlement embedded in infallible substance, addicted to the necessity of conspiracy and a logical fallacy of truism, that there has to be an American self-evil that must be vanquished.

Thus, in that fallacy of logic, this alter-nut-root of Doomocracy must conspire in blame and vilification, as to something or someone, always, mind you, other than in self, to substance that fallacy of image of an American self evil.

It is this angry substance of smug Hanoi Jane altered- reality given in explanations and punditry in mantra of yet seen “peace in our time, absolute utopian values.” That spew of absolute denial said in generational lost utopian visions, there is not anything to fear at all, only the lies of non-existent dangers, flawed in alter-reality and absolute wisdom, as inconceivably possible, thus impossible, and as such, unworthy of forethought and consideration.

A mantra of misjudgment, proven in history by the deaths of hundreds of millions, as nothing more than hope gone mad paid for far to greatly and far to late than was necessary.

Having voted for a war, then, as it has not proceeded to their patriotic glorification, these narcissistic voices of Doomocracy, who are few in numbers vested in sacrifice in that war, are thus far impotently voting against it, oddly only in the forethought and wisdom of today and in horizons of but the next election.

Saying in directional contrarian justification, in a voice of presumed unquestionable correctness, “pack your bags, turn out the lights, let down the curtain, go home for the show is over.”

Stopping only to spin and pundit to shout down as “fear mongering lairs,” those who say there are consequences unspoken of on this road now traveled to Doomocracy in unquestionable visions of absolute foresight, only to the next election.

Yet, I ask this of this Doomocarcy of the loud and uninvolved masses. If you are wrong and there are consequences of mongering fears, as predicted. Will you fall on your swords of empty words and short visions, stepping forward in front of those of us who do the dirty work of your war, so that so many from yet seen utopia, who do not, can be wrong, thus, forgiven in self divinity absolutions of consequences not envisioned?

Military Holds Most Trust in Iraq Debate, New Poll Finds

In a New York Times/CBS Poll both with unquestioned proven Far left Liberal fascist propensities;

Only 5 percent of Americans — a strikingly low number for a sitting president’s handling of such a dominant issue — said they most trust the Bush administration to resolve the war, the poll found. Asked to choose between the administration, Congress and military commanders, 21 percent said they would most trust Congress and a resoundingly confident, 68 percent expressed the most trust in military commanders.

I guess that definitively examples how OUT TOUCH WITH REALITY AND AMERICA that mouth piece of Liberal Fascism, the NY Times and its Vitriolic Maoist Group of 15 at MoveOn.Jihad along with its inbred Proletariat of Chomsky Vitriol spewed in spurious elations, at The Jihads Daily Kos, really are, Eh!!

That is all!!

"One Voice"

Speaking in concert as if from the same play book it seems;

Our American MoveOn.Jihad, alleges Bush, Petraeous our military and the Republicans are cooking the books to cover up US failures and mistakes in Iraq.

While at the same time and in the same vocabulary and punditry, the Theocracy In Iran oddly reading from their jointly written play book, say in similar thought and purpose “U.S. points fingers to cover failures in Iraq.”

While Syria repeats MoveOn’s linguistics and Ideology about US claims that Israel attacked and destroyed a North Korean Syrian/Iranian Secret Nuclear facility deep in Syria near Turkey and Iraq, as “nothing more than lies made up to cover up US failures in Iraq.”

Oddly claiming at the same time that Israeli Aircraft did penetrate, without loss, that vaunted top of the line advanced Russian Air defense systems sold to Syria and Iran. Yet, as if of lesser concern to Syria, Iran and Moscow, they deny while confirming the Israeli deep Intrusion did happen against their helpless defenses but did not destroyed anything while oddly penetrating this advanced Russian Anti-Aircraft Missile system sold to them.

Perhaps an alarming message of vulnerability to both Syria and Iran, as it may be to Moscow, as it bellows and beats its chest in renewed Cold War Super Power Rhetoric, eh?

As well, perhaps, reminding Europe, of its recent memory lapses of forgotten threat as to why it wanted the US as an ally all along?

See more examples of that “One Voice” from American/European's and that Counter-Revolutionary Movement of Jihad in Gaza, Southern Lebanon by Hezbollah, Syria, Iran, and the Tribal Areas of Pakistan, against the west and all it stands for.

Police Say Vietnam Memorial Vandalized

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5j-fJsDd...cVS-eRsmo3HAcbA

Cops: Vietnam Memorial Vandalized With Oily Substance

WASHINGTON — An oily substance found splashed on the Vietnam Veterans Memorial this month was the result of vandalism, U.S. Park Police determined.

Sgt. Robert Lachance, a Park Police spokesman, said Monday that a detective made the conclusion, but he declined to provide further details because of the investigation is ongoing.

The Vietnam Veterans Memorial Fund, which built the structure, has offered a $5,000 reward for information leading to an arrest and conviction in the case.

The oily substance on the black granite wall — which bears the names of more than 58,000 men and women killed or missing in the Vietnam War — was first reported Sept. 7. National Park Service officials said they did not know what the substance was, and at first said it was unclear whether it was the result of vandalism or some kind of accident.

On Monday, dark blotches remained along a stone curb at the base of the wall for much of its length. At least 14 of its 140 inscribed panels appeared to be stained.

Park Service spokesman Bill Line said maintenance and preservation crews were working to remove the stains and marks but were proceeding cautiously to avoid further damage. He said officials are confident they can remove all the stains, but it could take a week or more.

It's deplorable that someone would vandalize what's really a national shrine," said Jan C. Scruggs, founder and president of the Memorial Fund. "It's an outrage. It's sad."

The again this is what our Liberal Fascist American Jihad enablers do when they can not get their narcassistic way, is it not?

http://www.uslaboragainstwar.org/img/origi...DCMarch.gifIVAW


(Iraqi Veterans Against The War) Praised as an enabler, like Kerry's Vietnam Groups where by Uncle Ho and friends, as bringing in “a new day for the Anti-War Movement and by proxy for Jihad” by none other than the The American Muslim." A Pro-Hamas and Iranian group based here in the US.

http://www.theamericanmuslim.org/tam.php/f...ovement/0014633

Thousands attend US anti-war march Aljazeera making feverous note of the September 15th Anti- Everything March in Washington DC, not bothering to mention the 200 protesters arrested for attacking the police, but it did quote Organizer inflated claims, via the Jihad “Red Phone,” there were 100,000 people that attended the protest.

However police did not confirm the figure and stated they thought it was far less. (Most observers say the figure was between 15,000 and perhaps 25,000 at best.)

US anti-war protest numbers less than expected; 25,000 estimated

A permit for the march obtained in advance by the ANSWER Coalition had projected 10,000.

See they knew before hand, their movement was more about the agendas of many separate groups disunited except in Public display for their causes and the gardnering of free air time and news print to propagandizes those many separate but unequal causes of associations only as Liberal, leftists and or fascists activists.

http://www.metimes.com/storyview.php?Story...16-103122-6235r

http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/994...E7CFCF4D387.htm


Let’s see, MoveOn.Jihad attacks Military and a few days later some 20,000 Liberal Fascist of the left protesting everything from Get out of Iraq (NOT, Korea, Japan, Europe, Kosovo and or Afghanistan) Free Palestine, Slavery Repartitions, Impeach Bush, Save the nut-roots, save the environment via Terrorism and the Socialist revolt against Globalization and Democracy, marched in Washington.

Then oddly once again these Liberal leftist Fascist of old, rise up, to demean Vietnam Veterans and by proxy all veterans of all wars by defacing the Vietnam War Memorial.

IS THAT A COINCIDENCE OR A "ONE VOICE" STRATEGIC PLAN OF THE LIBERAL AMERICAN/INTERNATIONAL JIHAD BY FASCIST LEFTISTS AGAINST AMERICA AND THE WEST?

One Voice;

Doomacracy Bill Allowing Detainees to Appeal Detentions in US courts Rejected by Senate.

The Senate narrowly rejected legislation on Wednesday that would have given military detainees the right to protest their detention in federal court.

The 56-43 vote against the bill, by Sens. Patrick Leahy, D-Vt., and Arlen Specter, R-Pa., fell four votes shy of the 60 needed to cut off debate. It was a blow for human rights groups that say a current ban on habeas corpus petitions could lead to the indefinite detention of individuals wrongfully suspected of terrorism.

Note, that not once, but twice late last year this Congress passed legislation that address the Supreme courts concerns for enemy Combatant detainee legal rights.

The first, giving them no right of Habeus Corpus as has never been given in the History of not only English Common law and or US Constitutional law but for that matter in the law of any nation.

Then via a related court case, they came back for a 2nd time [U]to ensure the originally broadly worded denials of such rights to Us courts that were ambiguous as to past detainees, and rectified that to include future and past detainees have no access of Habeus Corpus.

A legal Process of allowing enemy combatants access to secret information from US sources, allies and or agents of the US to become available and public. but as well [U]to compel each soldier and ally who was present at their capture to be presented as a witness as to their acts as enemy combatants.

Thusif passed as was the intent of this doomocracy it would have self creating a giant logistics and personal nightmare in order to reconstruct protection for enemies while bri g risk to our security, our personell and our allies. Doing nothing more than creating years of uncalled for litigation.

Where by in curfent law there exists an alternative of judicial review. As passed into law last year by congress there are venues of appeal to US courts already available of the Military tribunals detainee adjudication system whereby Tribunals decisions are subject to appeal to the DC Circuit of Court of Appeals, considered the 2nd highest court in the land to the Supreme Court of the United States.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,297331,00.htm

Doomocracy’s plans for Iraq troop withdrawal set back today.

Efforts of Senate Democrats to get U.S. combat troops out of Iraq were damaged Wednesday when Virginia Republican Sen. John Warner said he would not back a plan to mandate stateside leave time.

Warner was one of the 56 votes of the 60 vote threshold to merely get a vote that fail short last year in this o so common back door effort of Congressional using smoke and mirrors to deflect their real intent and purpose. Noting it takes 67 votes to override a presidential Veto.

O well, there is hope 2009 will be here soon and then the Doomocracy as it presumes will be 100% in charge.

Yet equally, as the sole “Deciders,” accountable for consequences to the people, the world and to history for calling for the retreat and thus the defeat in Iraq and, as such, enabling a larger victory for the Terrorist War on America.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/09/19/sen...iraq/index.html


One Voice;

'Dozens died in Syria-Iran missile test'

Proof of cooperation between Iran and Syria in the proliferation and development of weapons of mass destruction was brought to light Monday in Jane's Defence Weekly, which reported that dozens of Iranian engineers and 15 Syrian officers were killed in a July 23 accident in Syria.

According to the report, cited by Channel 10, the joint Syrian-Iranian team was attempting to mount a chemical warhead on a Scud missile when the explosion occurred, spreading lethal chemical agents, including sarin nerve gas.

Reports of the accident were circulated at the time; however, no details were released by the Syrian government, and there were no hints of an Iranian connection.

The report comes on the heels of criticism leveled by the Syrians at the United States, accusing it of spreading "false" claims of Syrian nuclear activity and cooperation with North Korea to excuse an alleged Israeli air incursion over the country this month.

According to globalsecurity.org, Syria is not a signatory of either the Chemical Weapons Convention (CWC), - an international agreement banning the production, stockpiling or use of chemical weapons - or the Comprehensive Nuclear Test Ban Treaty (CTBT).

Syria began developing chemical weapons in 1973, just before the Yom Kipper War. Globalsecurity.org cites the country as having one of the most advanced chemical weapons programs in the Middle East

One Voice??

Jackson Says Barack Obama 'Acting White' in Case of Six Blacks Accused in Assault Case



http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,297332,00.html

One Voice;

Iranian officer 'seized in Iraq'

US-led forces in Iraq say they have arrested an Iranian officer operating in the north of the country.
They say the man was a member of the Quds Force - an elite unit of Iran's Revolutionary Guards - and was detained in the Kurdish city of Sulaimaniya.

"This individual has been involved in transporting improvised explosive devices," the American military said.

The US has accused the Quds Force of helping arm Shia militias in Iraq. Iran denies any involvement with militants.

A statement by the US military said the arrested man had been involved in the "infiltration and training of foreign terrorists in Iraq".

According to a spokesman for the regional government in semi-autonomous Kurdistan, he was taken away overnight in a raid on a Sulaimaniya hotel.

A government official in Baghdad said the arrested man had been part of a commercial delegation, but gave no further details.

Tehran says it supports the US-backed Iraqi government, and blames the violence on the continuing conflicts within Iraq since US-led forces toppled Saddam Hussein in 2003.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7004801.stm

One Voice;

Bin Laden Declares War on Musharraf (Pakistan) in New Audiotape.

Perhaps a calculated master piece of Political strategy that will be the beginning of the final Jihad with nukes or perhaps a disastrous miscalculation resulting in the final end to the Al Queda and Taliban Jihad?

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,297401,00.html

One Voice;

Iranian President "Armena-jihad" the supreme commander and leader of the Iranian Quds force that is, by all US military and media accounts, indirectly responsible for the killing 40% of all US KIA by IED in Iraq and Afghanistan was denied permission to go to ground zero in NY to lay a wreath for the 19 Jihads who died in his cause.

One Voice;

U.S. Senate Roll Call Votes 110th Congress - 1st Session
as compiled through Senate LIS by the Senate Bill Clerk under the direction of the Secretary of the Senate

Vote Summary

Question: On the Amendment (Webb Amdt. No. 2909 )

Vote Number: 341 Vote Date: September 19, 2007, 05:30 PM

Required For Majority: 3/5 Vote Result: Amendment Rejected

Amendment Number: S.Amdt. 2909 to S.Amdt. 2011 to H.R. 1585 (National Defense Authorization Act for

Fiscal Year 2008)

Statement of Purpose: To specify minimum periods between deployment of units and members of the Armed Forces deployed for Operation Iraqi Freedom and Operation Enduring Freedom. ( Same dressed up Back-door withdrawal that failed last October 2006.

Vote Counts: YEAs 56

NAYs 44

U.S. Senate Roll Call Votes 110th Congress - 1st Session
as compiled through Senate LIS by the Senate Bill Clerk under the direction of the Secretary of the Senate

Vote Summary

Question: On the Amendment (Feingold Amdt. No. 2924 )

Vote Number: 345 Vote Date: September 20, 2007, 02:54 PM

Required For Majority: 3/5 Vote Result: Amendment Rejected

Amendment Number: S.Amdt. 2924 to S.Amdt. 2011 to H.R. 1585 (National Defense Authorization Act for

Fiscal Year 2008)

Statement of Purpose: To safely redeploy all United States troops from Iraq within 90 days of enact of this law and offer cut backs in funding to ensure the redeployment.

Vote Counts: YEAs 28

NAYs 70

Not Voting 2

That is all!!

Moon bats at MoveOn.Jihad, slithering in the same angry vitriol used to Attack our troops and the Vietnam War Memorial, respond to US SENATE REBUKE OF THEM, not grasping intellectually that their angry child play of shout down and attack, is not remotely a common thought process for 90 to 95 % of Americans which they DO NOT represent in any way or form.

They may think they have already bought the White House if Edwards, Obama and Hillary are elected and of course some small percentage of the congress. But they are not buying America nor are Americans buying them, as is clear that like the Senate a more moderating voice of reason and reality than is the looney left at MoveOn.Jihad, the vast majority of Americans oppose their fascist elitists attitudes of righteousness neo-socialism that justify in their limited capacities any attack on any one who disagrees with their vision of a Socialistic PC Police State.

Hopefully in a wisdom America will not to elect those they support.

The response of the mature and Political enabling:





SEE THEIR RESPONSE TO a REBUKE OF THEM BY 72 US SENATORS ATTACHED AT BOTTOM




Miscellaneous; that which is so malformed it has no residual to which it has category, thus it wades in the pools of incongruity, where often in the tepidity of meekness is a florid yet to bloom into awareness.

Thus giving way to a less developed form in the aforementioned residuals, as a cockney wanker of “Perfidious Albion. A mentality so well vested and exampled in the lucidity of that which is MoveOn.Jihad's Doomocracy.

Morass Spewing Negative Bellowing Communalists


That is all!!

An American Madrasah
(Arabic: مدرسة,
of but
ONE VOICE FREE THOUGHT!




Translated;

“This is Columbia’s Move On America at best.

Where there is but ONE VOICE;

It is a Voice from a Theocratic Dictatorship who gives none of its people a Voice, but has a enabling Columbia “Madrasah” forum to have its voice heard in the ONE VOICE values of Columbia University.

It is a Voice of Columbia University values that would allow the voice of a mad Theocratic Terrorist leader who imprisoned and tortured Americans during the impotent Presidency of Carter. But, will not give those imprisoned, a right of Voice to confront This terrorists face to face.

It is the Voice of an enabling murderer proven complicit in 40% of ALL American and Coalition IED Soldier deaths in Iraq and Afghanistan that Columbia insists must be heard.

But, not one Voice of the American Military on its campus can be heard. Nor can those representative of these dead Troops be allowed Voice at this Madrasah of but One Voice of Free Thought.

Who's blood paid for those Columbia University core values is the question Columbia ignores.

It is the voice of free thought that restricts open borders and free expression of rights that is allowed in Columbia’s core values, but will not be allowed are the voices of free thought who oppose open borders and Illegal immigrant Amnesty.

It is the Voice of free thought espoused in Columbia headquartered Socialist Workers Party Ideals that can be heard unfettered. Yet the voices of those majority who oppose such Liberal Fascist are allowed to be shouted down in Columbia Values .

It is the Voice of a Holocaust denier or gleeful man of praise for it, who is allowed a voice in Columbia University Values, while the silent voices of the Holocaust Millions and the multitudes more of its living victims of have NO VOICE in Columbia University Values.

It is the Voice of a second ambitioned Holocaust proponent who would if he could destroy an entire nation, who is allowed in Columbia University Values, to be heard, while the silent voices of his intended victims and his secondary victims, we and even those at Columbia University, if he is successful, have NO VOICE in Columbia University Values.

ONLY ONE VOICE IS AT THE CORE OF COLUMBIA UNIVERSITIES VALUES

http://www.columbiaspectator.com/=3fq=3dcomment/reply/26814



Who do you think he is laughing at America, surely not that ONE VOICE INSULT that is Columbia University and its so called ONE VOICE free thought value system?

Columbia own Student Newspaper Poll

Do you support the decision to invite President Ahmadinejad to speak on campus?

Posted September 19th, 2007
by jdavisson

Yes. --27% (179 votes)

No.--71% (476 votes)

No opinion.--2% (13 votes)

Total votes: 668



I guess at this American Madrasah (Arabic: مدرسة, of Move On Jihad and Far Left propensities, there is only way to THINK.

It is as the statue there contemplates as they have willingly shown us all, not only how and or what to think. But, in the core of Columbia’s values, insists, who, among all others, are capable of thinking at all outside these hollowed halls of freedom of thought that is this bastion of American leftists ideology.

Where from the only Voice to be heard is ONE and only ONE at this enabling forum of ONE VOICE ONLY Fascism, bred and embedded at this Columbia, Madrasah (Arabic: مدرسة, University school of hard leftists core values far from free thought in a nation of MANY VOICES.

http://www.columbiaspectator.com/=3fq=3dnode/26793

New York Times Public Editor Rebukes MoveOn.org's Petraeus Ad


The New York Times acknowledged Sunday that a controversial advertisement attacking Gen. David Petraeus, the American commander in Iraq, was sold to a liberal activist group at a discount rate the organization was not entitled to receive, and that the paper violated its own advertising policies when it published the MoveOn ad.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,297745,00.html



I guess that definitively proves the NY Times is bred to the business of Ideology mongering.

Proving increasingly how desperate and OUT TOUCH WITH REALITY AND AMERICA it is as the mouthpiece of Liberal Fascism so well exampled by this Group of 15 Vitriolic Maoists at MoveOn.Jihad and their immature Proletariat of Chomsky spew made in spurious dementia at that similar first cousin ideology hostel which is The Jihads Daily Kos.

That is all!!

Morass Spewing Negative Bellowing Communalists

Iranians Upset at US people for insulting their little Napoleonic Syndrome Tyrant.Oddly in ONE VOICE like our "Kun" LEFT, when he is not right.

[quote] Issue 10 questions to Columbia Universities President.

Mr. Lee Bollinger
Columbia University President

We, the professors and heads of universities and research institutions in Tehran , hereby announce our displeasure and protest at your impolite remarks prior to Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's recent speech at Columbia University.

We would like to inform you that President Ahmadinejad was elected directly by the Iranian people through an enthusiastic two-round poll in which almost all of the country's political parties and groups participated. To assess the quality and nature of these elections you may refer to US news reports on the poll dated June 2005.

Your insult, in a scholarly atmosphere, to the president of a country with a population of 72 million and a recorded history of 7,000 years of civilization and culture is deeply shameful.

Your comments, filled with hate and disgust, may well have been influenced by extreme pressure from the media, but it is regrettable that media policy-makers can determine the stance a university president adopts in his speech.

Your remarks about our country included unsubstantiated accusations that were the product of guesswork as well as media propaganda. Some of your claims result from misunderstandings that can be clarified through dialogue and further research.

During his speech, Mr. Ahmadinejad answered a number of your questions and those of students. We are prepared to answer any remaining questions in a scientific, open and direct debate.

You asked the president approximately ten questions. Allow us to ask you ten of our own questions in the hope that your response will help clear the atmosphere of misunderstanding and distrust between our two countries and reveal the truth.

1- Why did the US media put you under so much pressure to prevent Mr. Ahmadinejad from delivering his speech at Columbia University? And why have American TV networks been broadcasting hours of news reports insulting our president while refusing to allow him the opportunity to respond? Is this not against the principle of freedom of speech?[/quote]


An example of free speech and opine in comparison to the Iranian Free Dumb of Insults;

Perhaps the true pressure here, from the point of view of such a cloistered theocratic controlled society, is, from there, the truth is, he, as the pious pure spokesperson of the Mahdi he clearly assumes he is, insults the world’s intelligence by hurting the mind to a sufficiently of disbelief and equally in disgust at his obviously factious deceit.

Perhaps when you get free speech you will grasp the principles from which it stands and how it is actually used.

[quote]
2- Why, in 1953, did the US administration overthrow the Iran's national government under Dr Mohammad Mosaddegh and go on to support the Shah's dictatorship?[/quote]

Perhaps it was his zealotry in creating a multitude of disagreements with his former allies, the British, and especially the communists and the Islamists, the latter of whom, oddly, in 1979, did act likewise to create and since maintain, the current theocratic dictatorship of speechless freedoms in Iran.

Conceivably, along with this man’s created disagreements with the Shah and with the parliament whereby in order to avoid certain impeachment, he illegally dissolved and elected parliament and then illegally held an election from which a man about to beimpeached got an astounding 99.93% of the vote, oddly as in ALL seemingly popular dictatorships, ever, in all of history.

Only to further his control and power he acted obviously like Saddam in miscalculation about his last two wars, to suspended the elected Parliament indefinitely while extending without an end date his previously decreed “emergency powers,” exactly like all dictators in history have done.

In the “ignorant” vernacular of this, young 233 year old, Republic, if it looks a duck, sounds and acts like a duck, it is, in fact, a duck. He has proven to us he is a dictating Duck.

I am sure factually Iranians, led by General Fazlollah Zahedi, in the usual political means of change in the region, used Iranian’s as a means of this coup d'état to oust a man who had used illegal means to gain power and, then had used, in the common tools of dictators, emergency powers, to maintain power.

Of course, this coupe was materially supported and funded by the British and U.S. governments who had an interest in maintaining their interest in the region. That interest being the free and open market for oil, which this dictator threatened to affect, oddly exactly, like today’s President TOM threatens.

[quote]
3- Why did the US support the blood-thirsty dictator Saddam Hussein during the 1980-88 Iraqi-imposed war on Iran, considering his reckless use of chemical weapons against Iranian soldiers defending their land and even against his own people? [/quote]

I guess in your zealotry you forget the little matter of 1979 and what is Internationally, by many conventions and treaties, considered unquestionably an act of war, when a nation invades another’s sovereign embassy and takes its embassy staff hostage. That was indeed polite and hospitable.

I guess you do not get the preverbal concept bred in millenniums of Middle Eastern fables, that “the enemy of my enemy, is my friend, then perhaps you do get it.

[quote]
4- Why is the US putting pressure on the government elected by the majority of Palestinians in Gaza instead of officially recognizing it? And why does it oppose Iran 's proposal to resolve the 60-