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Seven Senior Federal Engineers and Scientists Call for New 9/11 Investigation

by Alan Miller

http://www.opednews.com

Official Account of 9/11: "Impossible", "A Bunch of Hogwash", "Fatally Flawed"


December 13, 2007 – Seven former senior engineers and scientists of the Federal government have severely criticized the official account of 9/11 and called for a new investigation. They are among a rapidly growing number of engineering, scientific, and architectural professionals challenging the government's story.

“A lot of these pieces of information, taken together, prove that the official story, the official conspiracy theory of 9/11 is a bunch of hogwash. It’s impossible,” said Lt. Col. Robert Bowman, PhD. [1]. With doctorate degrees in Aeronautics and Nuclear Engineering, Col. Bowman served as Director of Advanced Space Programs Development under Presidents Gerald Ford and Jimmy Carter.

“There’s a second group of facts having to do with the cover up,” continued Col. Bowman. “Taken together these things prove that high levels of our government don’t want us to know what happened and who’s responsible. Who gained from 9/11? Who covered up crucial information about 9/11? And who put out the patently false stories about 9/11 in the first place? When you take those three things together, I think the case is pretty clear that it’s highly placed individuals in the administration with all roads passing through Dick Cheney.”

During his 22-year Air Force career, Col. Bowman also served as the Head of the Department of Aeronautical Engineering and Assistant Dean at the U.S. Air Force Institute of Technology. He also flew over 100 combat missions in Viet Nam as a fighter pilot.

Criticism of the official account also extends to government scientists. “The issue of knowing who was really behind the 9/11 attacks is of paramount importance to the future of our country, because the ‘official’ assumption that it was the work of 19 Arab amateurs does not match the available facts,” writes David Griscom, PhD, a retired government research physicist.

A highly esteemed researcher, Dr. Griscom spent 33 years at the Naval Research Laboratory in Washington, D.C. He is a Fellow of the American Physical Society. He was the recipient of the 1993 N.F. Mott Award sponsored by the Journal of Non-Crystalline Solids, the 1995 Otto Schott Award offered by the Carl-Zeiss-Stiftung (Germany), a 1996 Outstanding Graduate School Alumnus Award at Brown University, and the 1997 Sigma Xi Pure Science Award at NRL. He is the principal author of 109 of his 185 published works, a body of work highly cited by his peers.

Dr. Griscom continued, “I implore my fellow physicists and engineers who may have the time, expertise, and (ideally) supercomputer access to get to work on the physics of the World Trade Center collapses and publish their findings in refereed journals … Surely [the] Orwellian consequences of public ignorance constitute more than sufficient motivation for any patriotic American physicist or engineer to join the search for 9/11 Truth!”

The improbability of the collapse of World Trade Center Building 7 is a major concern of scientists, engineers and architects. The building was 610 feet tall, 47 stories, and would have been the tallest building in 33 states. Although it was not hit by an airplane, it completely collapsed into a pile of rubble in less than 7 seconds at 5:20 p.m. on 9/11. In the 6 years since 9/11, the Federal government has failed to provide any explanation for the collapse. In addition to the failure to provide an explanation, absolutely no mention of Building 7’s collapse appears in the 9/11 Commission's “full and complete account of the circumstances surrounding the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks.” [Video of the collapse can be seen at http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/IMAGES/WTC7_Collapse.wmv ]

Another senior Federal engineer who seriously questions the official account of 9/11 is Joel Hirschhorn, PhD, former Senior Staff Member, Congressional Office of Technology Assessment 1978 – 1990 and former Professor of Mechanical Engineering. Earlier this year, he wrote, “Many technical analyses cast doubt on the official explanation of the collapse of three World Trade Center buildings, including those presented by an impressive new group: Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth. ...

“When it comes to 9/11, we face the strong belief that only al-Qaeda caused 9/11. But analyses by many experts reveal the collapse of the three WTC buildings was not caused by the two airplanes exploding into the twin towers. Without getting into details that one can spend many hours examining on a number of websites, the general view is that the buildings were brought down by controlled demolition.”

Dr. Hirschhorn also served as Director of Environment, Energy and Natural Resources for the National Governors Association. He’s testified more than 50 times before Congress on technology, science, and environmental issues. Prior to his government services, he was Professor of Metallurgical Engineering at the University of Wisconsin, Madison 1965 - 1978.

Dr. Hirschhorn continued, “Like other groups, Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth wants a new, honest and comprehensive study that considers all the evidence for controlled demolition. As a former engineering professor with growing skepticism about the official WTC story I share their concerns. First, let the technical truth emerge. Then, if necessary, cope with the inevitable political, conspiracy and other questions. But let us not allow a possible painful truth block the primary task of determining once and for all what caused the collapse of the WTC towers and building number 7.”

Another senior Federal engineer who questions the official account of 9/11 is Enver Masud, MS, PE, former Chief of the Strategic and Emergency Planning Branch, U.S. Department of Energy. An expert in electrical power grid management, he has consulted for the World Bank, the European Bank for Reconstruction and Development, and the United States Agency for International Development in Albania, Czech Republic, Egypt, Ghana, Indonesia, Latvia, Norway, Pakistan, Russia, Tanzania. Prior to his employment by the DOE, he served as Director of the Office of Engineering at the Public Service Commission in Washington, D.C.

In a statement to this author, Mr. Masud wrote, “The 9/11 Commission Report is fatally flawed. The major conclusions of the 9/11 Commission Report -- the official, conspiracy theory -- are false. Among its many problems; 1.) It is entirely silent on the collapse of WTC Building 7. 2.) The FBI has admitted it has no hard evidence that Bin Laden was responsible for the attacks of 9/11. 3.) To this day, the hijackers' identities remain in doubt. 4.) Evidence, including the lack of adequate debris, at both the Pentagon and Shanksville contradicts the official theory of Flights 77 and 93. 5.) There is prima facie evidence of the controlled demolition of the WTC Twin Towers and Building 7.”

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Atruescot
These people disagree

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Below is the list of people who have staked their reputations on the only paper which passed the scrutiny of peer review regarding the WTC tragedy...

For those who may think that no one has written a peer reviewed paper on the collapse of the towers here it is...

"Walter P. Murphy Professor of

Civil Engineering and Materials Science

Northwestern University

The towers of the World Trade Center were designed to withstand as a whole the horizontal impact of a large commercial aircraft. So why did a total collapse occur? The reason is the dynamic consequence of the prolonged heating of the steel columns to very high temperature. The heating caused creep buckling of the columns of the framed tube along the perimeter of the structure, which transmits the vertical load to the ground. The likely scenario of failure may be explained as follows...

http://www-math.mit.edu/~bazant/WTC/WTC-asce.pdf

The version linked above, to appear in the Journal of Engineering Mechanics (ASCE), was revised and extended (with Yong Zhou on September 22 and additional appendices on September 28) since the original text of September 13, which was immediately posted at various civil engineering web sites, e.g. University of Illinios. It also has been or soon will be published in a number of other journals, including Archives of Applied Mechanics, Studi i Ricerche, and SIAM News:

Z. P. Bazant and Y. Zhou, "Why Did the World Trade Center Collapse?", Society for Industrial and Applied Mathematics News, vol. 34, No. 8 (October, 2001).

That means it's not just a document, book, web site or calculation on a forum. It's had to pass critical review by other engineering Professors.

I know there are CT sites which attack this paper but not one person has yet to disprove its hypothesis professionally. There are still people attacking the theory of evolution. Anyone can attack, not many can produce a paper to back it up. Just as there is no "theory of intelligent design" except on Christian web sites, there are no alternatives to this paper other than in CT sites and books."

http://www-math.mit.edu/~bazant/WTC/

The paper... http://www-math.mit.edu/~bazant/WTC/WTC-asce.pdf

http://www.pubs.asce.org/journals/edem.html

Editor:

Ross B. Corotis, Ph.D., P.E., S.E., NAE, University of Colorado, Boulder
corotis@colorado.edu

http://ceae.colorado.edu/new/faculty/peopl...ple.cgi?corotis

Editorial Board:

Younane Abousleiman, Ph.D., University of Oklahoma http://mpge.ou.edu/faculty_staff/faculty.html

Ching S. Chang, Ph.D., P.E., University of Massachusetts http://www.ecs.umass.edu/cee/faculty/chang.html

Joel P. Conte, Ph.D., P.E., University of California, San Diego
http://kudu.ucsd.edu/

Henri Gavin, Duke University
http://www.cee.duke.edu/faculty/gavin/index.php

Bojan B. Guzina, University of Minnesota
http://www.ce.umn.edu/people/faculty/guzina/

Christian Hellmich, Dr.Tech., Vienna University of Technology
http://whitepages.tuwien.ac.at/oid/998877.html

Lambros Katafygiotis, Ph.D., Hong Kong University of Science and Technology
http://lambros.ce.ust.hk/

Nik Katopodes, Ph.D., University of Michigan
http://www.engin.umich.edu/dept/cee/prospective/

Nicos Makris, University of Patras
http://www.civil.upatras.gr/Melidep_gr/depi_en.asp?profid=5

Robert J. Martinuzzi, P.E., University of Calgary
http://www.ucalgary.ca/pubs/calendar/2005/...ademicAlpha.htm

Arif Masud, Ph.D., University of Illinois, Chicago
http://www.uic.edu/depts/bioe/faculty/core_faculty_list.htm

Arvid Naess, Ph.D., Norwegian University of Science and Technology
http://www.bygg.ntnu.no/~arvidn/front.htm

Khaled W. Shahwan, Daimler Chrysler Corporation
http://www.pubs.asce.org/WWWdisplay.cgi?9800592

George Voyiadjis, Ph.D., EIT, Louisiana State University
http://www.cee.lsu.edu/facultyStaff/Voyiad...iadjis_Gbio.htm

Yunping Xi, Ph.D., University of Colorado
http://ceae.colorado.edu/new/faculty/people/people.cgi?xi



Engineering Mechanics Division Executive Committee

Alexander D. Cheng, Ph.D., M.ASCE, Chair
http://home.olemiss.edu/~acheng/

James L. Beck, Ph.D., M.ASCE
http://www.its.caltech.edu/~jimbeck/

Roger G. Ghanem, Ph.D., M.ASCE
http://ame-www.usc.edu/personnel/ghanem/index.shtml

Wilfred D. Iwan, M.ASCE
http://www.eas.caltech.edu/fac_i-m.html#i

Chiang C. Mei, M.ASCE
http://cee.mit.edu/index.pl?id=2354&isa=Category&op=show

Verna L. Jameson, ASCE Staff Contact

Journal of Engineering Mechanics



More links to civil engineering papers and other information concerning the WTC collapse...



Bazant, Z.P., & Zhou, Y.
"Addendum to 'Why Did the World Trade Center Collapse? - Simple Analysis" (pdf)
Journal of Engineering Mechanics v. 128, no. 3, (2002): 369-370.

Brannigan, F.L.
"WTC: Lightweight Steel and High-Rise Buildings"
Fire Engineering v.155, no. 4, (2002): 145-150.

Clifton, Charles G.
Elaboration on Aspects of the Postulated Collapse of the World Trade Centre Twin Towers
HERA: Innovation in Metals. 2001. 13 December 2001.

"Construction and Collapse Factors"
Fire Engineering v.155, no. 10, (2002): 106-108.

Corbett, G.P.
"Learning and Applying the Lessons of the WTC Disaster"
Fire Engineering v.155, no. 10, (2002.): 133-135.

"Dissecting the Collapses"
Civil Engineering ASCE v. 72, no. 5, (2002): 36-46.

Eagar, T.W., & Musso, C.
"Why Did the World Trade Center Collapse? Science, Engineering, and Speculation"
JOM v. 53, no. 12, (2001): 8-12.

Federal Emergency Management Agency, Therese McAllister, report editor.
World Trade Center Building Performance Study: Data Collection, Preliminary Observations, and Recommendations
(also available on-line)

Gabrielson, T.B., Poese, M.E., & Atchley, A.A.
"Acoustic and Vibration Background Noise in the Collapsed Structure of the World Trade Center"
The Journal of Acoustical Society of America v. 113, no. 1, (2003): 45-48.

"Collapse Lessons"
Fire Engineering v. 155, no. 10, (2002): 97-103

Marechaux, T.G.
"TMS Hot Topic Symposium Examines WTC Collapse and Building Engineering"
JOM, v. 54, no. 4, (2002): 13-17.

Monahan, B.
"World Trade Center Collapse-Civil Engineering Considerations"
Practice Periodical on Structural Design and Construction v. 7, no. 3, (2002): 134-135.

Newland, D.E., & Cebon, D.
"Could the World Trade Center Have Been Modified to Prevent Its Collapse?"
Journal of Engineering Mechanics v. 128, no. 7, (2002):795-800.

National Instititue of Stamdards and Technology: Congressional and Legislative Affairs
“Learning from 9/11: Understanding the Collapse of the World Trade Center”
Statement of Dr. Arden L. Bement, Jr., before Committee of Science House of Representatives, United States Congress on March 6, 2002.

Pinsker, Lisa, M.
"Applying Geology at the World Trade Center Site"
Geotimes v. 46, no. 11, (2001).
The print copy has 3-D images.

Public Broadcasting Station (PBS)
Why the Towers Fell: A Companion Website to the Television Documentary.
NOVA (Science Programming On Air and Online)

Post, N.M.
"No Code Changes Recommended in World Trade Center Report"
ENR v. 248, no. 14, (2002): 14.

Post, N.M.
"Study Absolves Twin Tower Trusses, Fireproofing"
ENR v. 249, no. 19, (2002): 12-14.

The University of Sydney, Department of Civil Engineering
World Trade Center - Some Engineering Aspects
A resource site.

"WTC Engineers Credit Design in Saving Thousands of Lives"
ENR v. 247, no. 16, (2001): 12.


http://www.debunking911.com/paper.htm


ps..............

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In a statement to this author, Mr. Masud wrote, “The 9/11 Commission Report is fatally flawed. The major conclusions of the 9/11 Commission Report -- the official, conspiracy theory -- are false. Among its many problems;

1.) It is entirely silent on the collapse of WTC Building 7.


DUH , WTC 7 was not hit by a plane, had you ever read this report you would know it is not in the mandate of this report, any more that WTC 3, 4, 5 or 6.

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2.) The FBI has admitted it has no hard evidence that Bin Laden was responsible for the attacks of 9/11.
Wrong,Debunked years ago

http://www.debunk911myths.org/topics/Osama_bin_Laden.


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3.) To this day, the hijackers' identities remain in doubt.
Wrong. Debunked years ago.

http://www.911myths.com/html/no_hijackers_..._manifests.html

Read , learn

http://www.911myths.com/html/hijacker_reso..._and_links.html


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4.) Evidence, including the lack of adequate debris, at both the Pentagon and Shanksville contradicts the official theory of Flights 77 and 93.

Wrong

Pentagon
http://www.911myths.com/html/757_wreckage.html.

Shanksville.

http://www.911myths.com/html/flight_93_photos.html

http://www.911myths.com/html/more_flight_93_photos.html


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5.) There is prima facie evidence of the controlled demolition of the WTC Twin Towers and Building 7.”
Wrong

http://www.911myths.com/html/wtc__demolition_.html
http://www.911myths.com/html/wtc__other_.html

and

http://www.911myths.com/html/wtc7___silverstein.html

Five minutes Cobra, that was all it took to disprove every single claim made by your so called “experts.”

Good luck with your new investiagtion laugh.gif


PPS

Incidentally The very first person on your list DR Bowman, again five minutes on Google...

Here is membership of the pilots for truth who appear to believe that no plane hit the pentagon.

http://pilotsfor911truth.org/core.html

Here is their press release which he signed.

http://www.pilotsfor911truth.org/pressrelease.html

They claim Flight 77 did not hit the Pentagon, absolutely zero proof but hey they claim it.

Here he claims the massacre in Srebrenica didn’t happen (He didn’t even get the date correct).

http://www.rmbowman.com/Bowman2006/kosovo.htm

Even though the Serbs admit it.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/3743176.stm

And here he does an interview with the famous 911 conspirator Kevin Barret.

Maybe you expert has not problem who he talks to or simply doesn’t care, but any way if you are after attention and you have a political agenda any attention is better than none.

For anybody who does not know who Kevin Barret is…………..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZKcDAwO2Rw

As they say Cobra, always judge a person by the company he keeps.

I’m sure you will extensively research the rest of your experts and figure it all out; after all you are after the truth are you not?
ustrader
Cobra, lass, I fear you have been " A-TRUE-SCOTTED"!! laugh.gif



That is all!!
Cobra
QUOTE (ustrader @ Dec 19 2007, 12:19 AM) *
Cobra, lass, I fear you have been " A-TRUE-SCOTTED"!! laugh.gif



That is all!!

No I disagree. It takes a lot more than just screaming "It's been debunked" and then posting links to websites that rely on heavy doses of sophistry, desperate to "debunk" anything suggesting that the official story of 9/11 was a lie. Even the 9/11 cOmmission admit that the official story is BS now.

People like Atruescot are irrelevant and will never be able to stop the truth about 9/11 being an inside job coming out and reaching the masses. They can only scream up and down that "it's been debunked" and then post links to websites, that are most likely funded by the same people who orchestrated the murder of thousands to advance their selfish agendas. Sad really, that anyone would even try to defend the indefensible.

Just my 2 cents
Atruescot
QUOTE (Cobra @ Dec 19 2007, 08:19 AM) *
No I disagree. It takes a lot more than just screaming "It's been debunked" and then posting links to websites that rely on heavy doses of sophistry, desperate to "debunk" anything suggesting that the official story of 9/11 was a lie. Even the 9/11 cOmmission admit that the official story is BS now.

People like Atruescot are irrelevant and will never be able to stop the truth about 9/11 being an inside job coming out and reaching the masses. They can only scream up and down that "it's been debunked" and then post links to websites, that are most likely funded by the same people who orchestrated the murder of thousands to advance their selfish agendas. Sad really, that anyone would even try to defend the indefensible.
Just my 2 cents



Yes it is isn't it Cobra? how anybody would wish to defend the indefensible is beyond belief. How anybody would wish to choose to defend the cold blooded murderers, the murderers of innocent men, women and children that committed this act. The same people who pledged to do this, and who have continually admitted to doing this.

That some people prefer to accuse their own countrymen of this wicked crime rather than open their eyes and to the over whelming evidence that Islamic extremists carried out this dreadful act is beyond belief. Fortunately the rest of the planet is not so gullible and does not live in a paranoid delusional world. The rest of the planet really, really did investigate this and the rest of the planet really did point the finger at the guilty parties.



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Two dozen suspected members of a Spanish al-Qaeda cell who are accused of aiding preparations for the 9/11 attacks appeared in court today in Europe's biggest anti-terror trial.
The 24 men are mostly Syrians and Moroccans who have lived in Spain for many years. They include Imad Yarkas, 42, a Syrian-born Spaniard who is alleged to have supervised a cell that provided logistical support for the September 11 hijackers, including Mohammed Atta. Two other suspects also are accused specifically of helping plan the attack.


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A Moroccan man convicted in Germany as an accessory to the attacks on the United States in September 2001 has been sentenced to 15 years in jail.
The court in Hamburg handed the maximum sentence against Mounir al-Motassadek



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A Syrian man accused of heading a Spanish al-Qaeda cell and helping to organise the 9/11 attacks has been jailed for 27 years in Madrid.
Imad Yarkas was found guilty of conspiracy to commit murder in connection with the 2001 terror attacks


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MADRID, Spain (AP) - Spain's leading investigating judge issued the first known indictment against Osama bin Laden in the Sept. 11 attacks yesterday, accusing al-Qaida of using the country as a base to plot the devastating strikes on New York and Washington.
Investigative magistrate Baltasar Garzon indicted 35 people for terrorist activities connected to bin Laden's al-Qaida network. In a nearly 700-page document, Garzon wrote that Spain served "as a place or base for resting, preparation, indoctrinating, support and financing" of al-Qaida.
The indictment charged bin Laden and nine others with membership in a terrorist organization and "as many crimes of terrorist murder ... as there were dead and injured" in the deadly Sept. 11 attacks.


http://media.www.michigandaily.com/m...-1418654.shtml
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/6242867.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/4281808.stm

Just my two cents worth

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that are most likely funded by the same people who orchestrated the murder of thousands to advance their selfish agendas.
No Al Qaeda does not fund these sites Cobra, they are run by normal sane individuals who simply see straight through your insane paraoid delusions. they do so with one thing , facts, something you and you silly movement have none of.
Cobra
The world is round, agent Atruescot. It's round I tell ya.
ustrader
QUOTE (Cobra @ Dec 20 2007, 04:33 AM) *
The world is round, agent Atruescot. It's round I tell ya.


Yet, it was flat, before it was round, hey Co-=Bra.

Once upon a time, the far-side, I mean far sided, like you, knew absolutely the world was flat and stated those who said it was not, were looney conspiritors and idiots of the insane, just like you say similarly today about everyone else who conspires against you.

You sure you did not threaten to kill Glenn Beck and his entire family??

I know it tough to be so overwhlemingly "True Scotted," but, the Scot knows what is true...

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Society is one vast conspiracy for carving one into the kind of statue likes, and then placing it in the most convenient niche it has.
Randolph Bourne


That is all!!
Cobra
You're out of your tree old man. Might want to think about switching up on those 'scrips PRONTO!

By the way...

Beck Complains Of Threats, Yet Wanted To "Kill Michael Moore"
Uses part of Ron Paul interview to suggest his supporters are dangerous
http://prisonplanet.com/articles/december2...1207Threats.htm
ustrader
QUOTE (Cobra @ Dec 20 2007, 10:06 AM) *
You're out of your tree old man.

Hmm?

Urban Myth Doctionary - "Out of your Tree"

1. Pi ss ed as a f* *k ing cu nt.


Old man, as compared to an perhaps your Urban legend as a "ouncizzle, hey, Co-bra"



Might want to think about switching up on those 'scrips PRONTO!

Scrips :

meaning in our real world reality were the word is defined as -meaning computer programming code written in comparatively simple programming languages which run on the Server

http://searchenterpriselinux.techtarget.co...i212948,00.html

PRONTO defined in the real world of non-conspiracy nuts as-

promptly: in a punctual manner; "he did his homework promptly"

wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn

Pronto condoms:

a brand of sheath being released in South Africa, designed by Willem van Rensburg. The outside protective packaging acts as the condom applicator as well, which reduces the time needed to utilize the condom. ...

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pronto


By the way...

Beck Complains Of Threats, Yet Wanted To "Kill Michael Moore"
Uses part of Ron Paul interview to suggest his supporters are dangerous
http://prisonplanet.com/articles/december2...1207Threats.htm

Odd comparsion as if in equality, death threats from those who support a man running for President and another, by a low viewed TV ex-acholic provocatoeur, on air, merely to keep CNN from sliding into the MSNBC abyss of low rated shows like Ober-nanny and the Move ON, Air -America Network..

Read and weep Co-bra--

http://insidecable.blogsome.com/2007/12/19...s-64/#more-8435




Are you suggesting you and your Conspiracy friends at Air America are offering in threat a trade of Glenn Beck for Muhla Boore I mean, Micheal Moore?
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