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cranston36
So Senator Barack Obama won the primary in Iowa.
How that happened is as mysterious to me as how he ended up in the United States Senate in the first place.
I cannot understand why the people of Illinois took it on themselves to send as a representative of that great state a man whose father is Kenyan and whose stepfather is Indonesian. How many people in Illinois share that combination?
To complicate matters his mother is a white American. I mention that only because he is being advertised as the first black president. Colin Powell would have been the first black president. Barack Obama would be the first half-black president.
Even considering that the blacks in Illinois sent him to the Senate - why did they do that? Why didn't they vote in an American black man? Why are they crowing over a half-black, half-American guy?
The answer is in our American past.
Even before the Civil War there was a concern about what would happen to freed slaves.
Questions like 'Should they be allowed to wander around on their own?' were important points of discussion.
Putting the freed slaves on ships and sending them back to Africa was a big topic.
The cost, however, of just sending the newly born children of the 4 million slaves then in the country (about 40,000 to 50,000 a year) would have bankrupted the United States Treasury so that was abandoned. The fact that it would have cost so much to ship the slaves back should be a point of interest to anti-immigrant candidates like Mitt Romney and Mike Huckabee. Even if laws were passed to send all the illegal Mexican immigrants back to Mexico there isn’t enough money to do it.
In any case - the Presbyterian Church in the United States became embroiled in this problem of what to do with the freed slaves. In the South the Presbyterians became the spiritual backbone of the Confederacy while in the North they tried to become the conscience of the Union but did not succeed.
At the end of the war the Presbyterian Church in the North succeeded in setting up colleges for the freed slaves throughout the South (and a couple were located in the North). Several of these colleges still exist today.
During the past 140 years since the Civil War the Presbyterian Church has split and split again. There are several sects and splinter sects in the United States today that can trace their history to that time - but they certainly don’t point that out.
There was considerable discussion about the benefits of providing these colleges. The main point being that eventually the freed slaves would leave on their own. In fact it was widely believed and encouraged that after the slaves were freed they would eventually collect all their things and return to Africa.
The scenario was similar to that of the story that is found in the Bible of the Jews leaving Egypt. Many black churches today closely identify themselves with the Jews in Egypt. Many popular black spirituals reflect that ideal -
“Pharoah’s Army Got Drowned”, “Go Down Moses” and et cetera.
The Presbyterian Church defended and encouraged the colleges by claiming that educated American blacks, when they eventually decided to leave the United States and return to Africa, would give the United States an advantage in Africa because they spoke English, had been educated in the Bible (the Protestant Bible - they were keen to ensure that ‘Romanist‘ blacks would not dominate Africa - Romanist meaning Catholic) and so, would be able to conquer and overwhelm the illiterate savages that had been left behind when the slaves were taken from Africa.
The ignorance of this stance is clear to many modern Americans but, and this point is very important, there are many churches and groups in the United States that still believe that it is the destiny of American blacks to return to Africa and rule there.
That brings us back to Barack Obama because the church he belongs to in Illinois is descended from those splinter sects that had been first chartered by the white, Northern Presbyterian Church.
Barack Obama seems to be, to many black Americans, the Messiah who is destined to lead them all back to Africa to conquer and regain their birthright.
There are several problems to this scenario. First of all, it may be said that the poor unfortunate men and women who were taken from Africa to be used as slaves were not, in the main, what one would call the ruling class in Africa at the time. The ruling class in Africa at the time were rounding up their enemies and taking them down to the shores to sell them for gold and manufactured goods to the Portugese, the Spanish, the English and later, the Americans.
The peoples who remained in Africa are not looking forward to being conquered again - no matter what the color of the returning avenger.
In the case of Barack Obama there are other troubling matters.
First of all his father, from Kenya, was in the United States getting a college education. Like many men and women in his position he apparently thought it a good idea to stay here. He then got married and fathered his son. Unlike many others in his privileged position he decided to return to where he came from and packed up and went to Kenya. He divorced his wife and abandoned his son - Barack Obama - apparently in Hawaii.
Obama’s mother then married an Indonesian and carted her son off to Indonesia - which is widely recognized as having a cruel, ignorant society based on exploiting the poor by violent means. That is - Indonesia is a slave economy. They are second only to Myanmar in their vicious treatment of their own citizens.
Obama claims that because he attended a mixed school in Indonesia that he has insight into the Muslim mind. Please recall that it was mixed school in Sudan where a visiting English teacher was threatened with death for naming a Teddy Bear ‘Mohamed’.
So Senator Obama is apparently wearing the crown of the Messiah for a splinter sect of the Presbyterian Church who believes he will lead them all back to Africa, glory and prosperity.
(Please note that the Kenya that Obama comes from is now embroiled in political violence as a petty dictator continues to rape that country for everything it is worth.)
So I can understand that the people of Illinois, who also have hosted Louis Farrakhan (an American black-muslim leader who believes that spaceships have encircled the earth and are ready to destroy all the white people), another leader who believes in the eventual repatriation of American blacks to Africa, voted in Barack Obama.
The question of what happened in Iowa is still unclear to me, however. Was it a bunch of Republican voting in the Democratic primary who have given us a choice between white and black or were the voting machines tampered with again like they were in Florida for the last presidential election?
We may never know.
It is a sad commentary on the people of Iowa that they have decided to potentially hand the reigns of our national government over to a man who admits smoking pot like a chimney and who is associated with a church whose very basis for belief is founded upon racism, bigotry and ignorance.
Maybe it is all a bad joke but I don’t want Barack Obama to be put into a position where he has access to nuclear weapons. I don’t want Barack Obama to burrow any further into our national government as he will bring along with him his followers. Even if we, like the deluded people of Illinois, give him the benefit of the doubt what guarantee is there that among his bizarre followers there are not some traitors who for a chance at glory with Allah would betray us all?
Having a man like Barack Obama in charge of the largest arsenal on earth which contains nuclear weapons, biological horrors and advanced technology is not wise.
Let him lead his people home, if they are fool enough to follow him into the ocean when he pretends to part the water, but let him leave our people alone.
I think he has gotten just about enough out of America and America has had just about enough of him.
What do you think?
SoloNav
I don't care for him for reasons apart from yours. I do not think he has the experience to lead this country, nor does he inspire my confidence by his shoot-from-the-hip solutions such as sitting down to "talk" to terrorists (hasn't the U.N. been doing this for decades?) and then suggest that we bomb one of our allies in this war (Pakistan) for harboring OBL. Who would want a man like that with control over ths country? wacko.gif wacko.gif

However, I would like to see him unseat the Hildebeast (just to see her cry again and for other reasons) and then be the Dim's candidate.........now, we conservatives just need to get a good Republican candidate to unseat him. Giuliani is my man, with Fred Thompson as V.P.
Thaiquila
I wouldn't care if he was purple.
I am too old to fall for his pie in the sky rhetoric, from the left or the right.
He is trying to have all kinds of people believe he is speaking to them, basically by saying nothing.
I might order a mystery dish at a restaurant with this pitch. It doesn't wash presidents. There is indeed something such as false hope.
Fit2BThaied
I have not heard much of Obama's campaign rhetoric, but I agree with both Thaiquila and SoloNav (and when have the three of us ever agreed? smile.gif).

I did hear part of his supposedly great victory speech after he won Iowa, and was terribly disappointed at the pointless platitudes. Besides, if the best that the Democrats can come up with are a very intelligent wife of a controversial ex-president, and a relatively inexperienced Black man, I think we're going to have 4 more years of Republican presidencies. I have unprovable doubts that either of them is electable in November.
cranston36
Mormonism is an aberration before God.
It is the invention of the tortured mind of a 16 year old who was exploited by money hungry men and women.

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QUOTE (cranston36 @ Jan 20 2008, 09:13 PM) *
Mormonism is an aberration before God.
It is the invention of the tortured mind of a 16 year old who was exploited by money hungry men and women.

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I need to research this, Obama is a Mormon too!! Who would have thunk it? blink.gif

Lastly are not all modern religions, as practiced today, more than not, an aberration of and to Godliness and Thus God? unsure.gif

That is all!!
Thaiquila
Barack Obama is no JFK. He is no profile in courage.
Why did he stay in a black-supremist anti-semitic church for so many years?
Why was he married by a pastor with these views?
Why did he consult with the same pastor about running for president?
Why is he hiding this pastor now?
Again, why didn't he quit this crappy racist church years ago?
I don't want a person of such bad character as my president or vice president. Illinois, you can keep him.
Go Hillary!
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