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Nomad
QUOTE (MrRight @ Nov 16 2008, 01:22 PM) *
At least in the Falklands a ship went down with a thousand sailors.

Wrong again Moe. The General Belgrano, sunk by a brit sub, had less than 400 dead. AND that boat was not capable of supporting a "thousand sailors". So once again you spout your arrogant ignorance. Trader and I were alive at that point in history. You were not as is evidenced by your absurd assertion.
ustrader
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MrRight Posted Nov 17 2008, 03:22 AM

ohmy.gif Actually you are just about the only person that I would believe could really prove I was dumb enough and clueless enough not to know what, I, as an Obama-cans, think I know. unsure.gif





CLICK-Media Malpractice- How Obama got elected.

Survey finds most Obama voters remembered negative coverage of McCain/Palin statements but struggled to correctly answer questions about coverage associated with Obama/Biden


http://www.zogby.com/news/ReadNews.cfm?ID=1642

Zogby Poll

512 Obama Voters 11/13/08-11/15/08 MOE +/- 4.4 points

97.1% High School Graduate or higher, 55% College Graduates

Results to 12 simple Multiple Choice Questions

57.4% could NOT correctly say which party controls congress (50/50 shot just by guessing)

81.8% could NOT correctly say Joe Biden quit a previous campaign because of plagiarism (25% chance by guessing)

82.6% could NOT correctly say that Barack Obama won his first election by getting opponents kicked off the ballot (25% chance by guessing)

88.4% could NOT correctly say that Obama said his policies would likely bankrupt the coal industry and make energy rates skyrocket (25% chance by guessing)

56.1% could NOT correctly say Obama started his political career at the home of two former members of the Weather Underground (25% chance by guessing).

And yet.....

Only 13.7% failed to identify Sarah Palin as the person on which their party spent $150,000 in clothes

Only 6.2% failed to identify Palin as the one with a pregnant teenage daughter

And 86.9 % thought that Palin said that she could see Russia from her "house," even though that was Tina Fey who said that!!

Only 2.4% got at least 11 correct.

Only .5% got all of them correct. (And we "gave" one answer that was technically not Palin, but actually Tina Fey)


http://www.zogby.com/news/wf-dfs.pdf

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"Promote then as an object of primary importance, Institutions for the general diffusion of knowledge. In proportion as the structure of a government gives force to public opinion, it is essential that public opinion should be enlightened."

George Washington, Farewell Address, September 19, 1796



Change you can believe in?


One Door Opens, while another closes, wherefrom, the end is just the beginning.
LooseCannon
QUOTE (Nomad @ Nov 17 2008, 10:00 PM) *
Wrong again Moe. The General Belgrano, sunk by a brit sub, had less than 400 dead. AND that boat was not capable of supporting a "thousand sailors". So once again you spout your arrogant ignorance. Trader and I were alive at that point in history. You were not as is evidenced by your absurd assertion.



The Falklands was a WAR.
Grenada and Panama were a JOKE.
You are a MORON.
Clear, Nomud?

By the way, calling everyone "Liberal"
just about shows the level of your
intelligence. I am glad stupid people
like you lost, no, got hammered in the
Election. You got hammered. laugh.gif
MrRight
Yep...that's me...the raving liberal.

If conservatism has somehow become big government, borrow and spend and bring the rest of the world "forward" by their balls, then I am not sure what liberal and conservative mean any more. That sounds to me more like dishonest liberalism.

I know in 1776 I would have probably been closer to Franklin than Adams or Jefferson...the smallest central administration capable of fulfilling the very specific responsibilities of the "Federal" Executive and free trade coupled with only those alliances that were necessary and to our advantage.

I guess I could be considered liberal on one level. In spite of our nearly 100% differences in policies and philosophies, I look forward to Mr. Obama taking over in January...mostly because I think he is a moral and ethical person. That is something the West Wing has sorely lacked the past 8 years.
SoloNav
QUOTE (LooseCannon @ Nov 18 2008, 08:42 PM) *
The Falklands was a WAR.
Grenada and Panama were a JOKE.
You are a MORON.
Clear, Nomud?
Seems that you skimmed over the fact that you had your fact wrong about the ship who had a thousand on board.

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By the way, calling everyone "Liberal"
just about shows the level of your
intelligence. I am glad stupid people
like you lost, no, got hammered in the
Election. You got hammered. laugh.gif
I wouldn't say that losing the election by 6% is getting hammered. Let's seee............Obama outspent McCain 4x, had ACORN getting out the black vote, and the MSM campaigning for him, and barely won the popular vote??? He sure didn't get the youth vote he'd been counting on, either. Obama won the electoral by huge numbers, but hardly the "landslide" that had been predicted, considering the popular vote. If the economy hadn't melted, McCain would have continued his winning streak he had in September. Obama barely won the way it was.

Speaking of popular vote vs. electoral votes.............wasn't the main problem with Bush "stealing" the election is that he won the electoral votes while Kerry won the popular vote? Why all of a sudden are the liberals counting only the electoral votes in this election in order to say he handily beat McCain. Curious. blink.gif

Short memories, maybe?
ustrader
Qaeda Deputy Notes Obama Victory, With Insult calling Obama a "House negro"

In a propaganda salvo by Al Qaeda aimed at undercutting the enthusiastic response of Muslims worldwide to the American election, Osama bin Laden’s top deputy condemned President-elect Barack Obama as a “house Negro” who would continue a campaign against Islam begun by President Bush.

Appealing to the “weak and oppressed” around the world, the Qaeda deputy, Ayman al-Zawahri, sought to dampen excitement over Mr. Obama’s election around the globe by saying that the “new face” of America only masked a “heart full of hate.”

The Qaeda leader described the victory by Mr. Obama, who has called for a troop withdrawal from Iraq, as the American people’s “admission of defeat in Iraq.” But he warned Mr. Obama that United States risked a reprise of the Soviet Union’s failures in Afghanistan if the president-elect followed through on pledges to deploy thousands more troops to that country.

And in a blunt personal attack on the new president, Mr. Zawahri painted Mr. Obama as a hypocrite and traitor to his race, unfavorably comparing him to “honorable black Americans” like Malcolm X, the 1960s black Muslim leader.

The Qaeda video, provided by the SITE Intelligence Group, which monitors militant Web sites, drew extensively on archival footage of Malcolm X, and much of the message juxtaposes a still picture of Mr. Obama wearing a yarmulke during a visit to the Wailing Wall in Jerusalem with a photo of Malcolm X kneeling in prayer at a mosque.

The video shows Malcolm X speaking about the docile “house Negro,” who he said “always looked out for his master,” and the “field Negro,” who was abused by whites and was more rebellious. Along with Mr. Obama, the message sharply insults two prominent black diplomats, the former and current secretaries of state, Colin Powell and Condoleezza Rice.

“And in you and in Colin Powell, Rice and your likes, the worlds of Malcolm X (may Allah have mercy on him) concerning ‘House Negroes’ are concerned,” the voiceover says, in a English-language transcript that SITE said was provided by As-Sabbah. In the original Arabic, Site said, the words used are “house slave.”

The video by Mr. Zawahri, an Egyptian physician who has long been Al Qaeda’s second ranking operative, contains no specific warning of an attack against the United States. But the Qaeda leader tells his followers that America “continues to be the same as ever, so we must continue to harm it, in order for it to come to its senses.”

American officials dismissed the new video as a desperate tactic by a terror group that suffered a defeat in the global war of ideas when the United States elected a black president with a Muslim name.

“Al Qaeda’s way of dealing with the change that the election of black American president represented is to insist that nothing has changed,” said one counterterrorism official in Washington, speaking on condition of anonymity.

The video bears the logo of As-Sahab, Al Qaeda’s media arm, and American officials said they believed that the video was authentic.

Lawrence Wright, the author of a book on Al Qaeda, “The Looming Tower,” called the tape an attempt by Al Qaeda at “spin control” as it struggles to assimilate an election that challenges its worldview.

Mr. Wright said both radical and mainstream Muslim commentators had predicted that Senator John McCain would win the presidential election and that little would change.

“I’m sure Al Qaeda has been struggling over how to react to the Obama election, and this is the result,” he said.

Mr. Wright said that for more than a year, messages from Qaeda leaders have included positive messages about Malcolm X in what he described as “a desperate and ineffective strategy” to appeal to African-American Muslims.

Mr. Wright, who has long followed the career of Mr. Zawahri, an Egyptian, said that Qaeda leaders closely followed Western news and polling, and that he believed they might be reacting to a Pew Research Center poll last year showing that African-American Muslims are the subset of American Muslims least hostile to Al Qaeda. The poll showed that 63 percent of foreign-born Muslims in this country had a “very unfavorable” view of Al Qaeda, compared to 36 percent of African-American Muslims.

The high quality of the English subtitles and the references to Malcolm X in the tape may reflect the influence of Adam Gadahn, an American-born Qaeda spokesman who has appeared in past productions of As-Sahab under the name “Azzam the American.”

Ronald Walters, a political scientist at the University of Maryland, said he wondered whether Al Qaeda was responding to the aggressive tone of Mr. Obama’s campaign pledges to go after the terrorist network and kill Mr. bin Laden.

Dr. Walters said that if the tape was an attempt to reach black Americans or the Third World, it was “ham-handed” and futile.

“You’re talking about someone who looks like the rest of the world, and that’s got to be threatening to them,” he said. “On 9/11, Al Qaeda didn’t make any racial distinctions in who it killed, and people remember that.”

Bill Ayers and Reverend Wright uest speakers at a San Francisco meetings of Anti-Globalists and War activitists, both exclaimed when asked by this reporter, about the racists statements, said, "that is not a racist statement because it comes from those oppressed by American Imerialism."

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/20/world/mi...20qaeda.html?hp


One Door Opens, while another closes, wherefrom, the end is just the beginning.
Bennett
That brief video shows more about Al Qaeda's weakness than anything else. Indicating that Osama Bin Laden is no longer in charge and probably more concerned with his survival than developing new strategies.

The video also comes to late to influence anything indicating hesitance or a serious lack of resources.
Nomad
QUOTE (Bennett @ Nov 21 2008, 08:13 AM) *
That brief video shows more about Al Qaeda's weakness than anything else. Indicating that Osama Bin Laden is no longer in charge and probably more concerned with his survival than developing new strategies.
And OBL is the only one that can "develop new strategies"? OBL is the only one that can lead these muslim sub humans?
To the contrary, the fact that these videos come out at all indicates that al queda is alive and well. There are 1.6 BILLION koran worshipers on the planet. Anyone that does not view this as a mortal threat is delusional.


The video also comes to late to influence anything indicating hesitance or a serious lack of resources.
No the video was perfectly timed. They wanted Obama as pres. Now they will attempt to affect his policies with threats, taunts and coercion. And he will never be strong enough to stand up against them.

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KenRI
QUOTE (Bennett @ Nov 21 2008, 10:13 AM) *
That brief video shows more about Al Qaeda's weakness than anything else.


What a bunch of hypocrites you Leftists are. Disgust isn't even a strong enough word to describe it. For years you ALL have been saying al Qaeda is stronger BECAUSE OF BUSH, now all of a sudden you have president-elite Hussein Obama and all of a sudden al Qaeda is showing weakness?? Yeah, that makes sense...NOT. Here's what makes sense: if al Qaeda is weaker it's BECAUSE of Bush, so are you morons going to give him any credit for that or are you just going to annoint Nobama's feet with oil?

You people are such absolute fools. God help this country because we're going to need it the next 4 years under this inexperienced hack and revived Clinton administration.
Grizzly
QUOTE (ustrader)
Funny. I didn't see Gerorge Bush's picture in there anywhere. Why is it when Dubya wants to help bail out business it's good for the country; a Democrat wants to do it then it's socialism?
Grizzly
QUOTE (KenRI @ Nov 22 2008, 06:27 AM) *
What a bunch of hypocrites you Leftists are. Disgust isn't even a strong enough word to describe it. For years you ALL have been saying al Qaeda is stronger BECAUSE OF BUSH, now all of a sudden you have president-elite Hussein Obama and all of a sudden al Qaeda is showing weakness?? Yeah, that makes sense...NOT. Here's what makes sense: if al Qaeda is weaker it's BECAUSE of Bush, so are you morons going to give him any credit for that or are you just going to annoint Nobama's feet with oil?

You people are such absolute fools. God help this country because we're going to need it the next 4 years under this inexperienced hack and revived Clinton administration.

Said the 'right wing religious nut' with the prominent avatar.
KenRI
QUOTE (Grizzly @ Nov 22 2008, 09:09 AM) *
Said the 'right wing religious nut' with the prominent avatar.


That's right, Grizz. What that avatar sows is the character of the man more than half the idiots inthis country voted for. The president-elect goes to the same church as this wingnut pastor for 20 years, and let's never forget Bll Ayers. Such character and judgement ZerObama shows. rolleyes.gif
ustrader






Obama: Country Facing 'Economic Crisis of Historic Proportions'
In the weekly Democratic radio address, President-elect Obama outlines economic plan aiming to create 2.5 million jobs by January 2011.


President-elect Barack Obama on Saturday outlined his plan to create 2.5 million jobs in coming years to rebuild roads and bridges and modernize schools while developing alternative energy sources and more efficient cars.

"These aren't just steps to pull ourselves out of this immediate crisis; these are the long-term investments in our economic future that have been ignored for far too long," Obama said in the weekly Democratic radio address. The economic recovery plan being developed by his staff aims to create 2.5 million jobs by January 2011, and he wants to get it through Congress quickly and sign it soon after taking office.


OBAMA PROMISE NO 1 -COUNT DOWN 800 Days @ 3,125 jobs per day


One Door Opens, while another closes, wherefrom, the end is just the beginning.

Grizzly
QUOTE (ustrader @ Nov 22 2008, 06:29 PM) *
Just like I said before: why is it when Republicans bail out business it's good for the country, yet when Democrats do the same it's socialism. (Oh yeah. And I added one of these.
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Nomad
It surprises me not that you cannot differentiate between a systemic intervention of the nations financial institutions in hopes of preventing a complete financial meltdown or throwing money at an ailing bloated industry just to reward the union voters and keep them in the Dem camp. But that's ok, Shemp, you are young, ignorant and indoctrinated. Hopefully some day you will learn to think for yourself..............................
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ustrader
QUOTE (Grizzly @ Nov 23 2008, 11:06 AM) *
Just like I said before: why is it when Republicans bail out business it's good for the country, yet when Democrats do the same it's socialism. (Oh yeah. And I added one of these.
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When you are capable of having an informed (OIQ) (Obama-nation Intelligent Quotient) that understands, as in grasps, factually, with intellectual knowledge, WHO it is, within the United States of America’s Federal Governance, be it the Executive, the Legislative and or the Judicial branches, who is charged constitutionally with the authority to “appropriate” monies under a bill of particulars, commonly called “a law,” doing so as precisely and or ambiguously as they prefer for ALL specific purposes from which they initialize and pass the specifics that authorizes ALL the expenditure of Federal monies.

Then you might one day, when you grow up, be aware of the Government you pretend to know something about. Proving once again, now twice, as you so often do, how little you know about your government, beyond what the Obama Doomocratic Putsch indoctrinates you to know and or not know.




One Door Opens, while another closes, wherefrom, the end is just the beginning.
Grizzly
QUOTE (ustrader)
When you are capable of having an informed (OIQ) (Obama-nation Intelligent Quotient) that understands, as in grasps, factually, with intellectual knowledge, WHO it is, within the United States of America’s Federal Governance, be it the Executive, the Legislative and or the Judicial branches, who is charged constitutionally with the authority to “appropriate” monies under a bill of particulars, commonly called “a law,” doing so as precisely and or ambiguously as they prefer for ALL specific purposes from which they initialize and pass the specifics that authorizes ALL the expenditure of Federal monies.

Then you might one day, when you grow up, be aware of the Government you pretend to know something about. Proving once again, now twice, as you so often do, how little you know about your government, beyond what the Obama Doomocratic Putsch indoctrinates you to know and or not know.
(Thinking: that sure is an extensive way of telling someone that you do not have a direct answer to their question.)
Grizzly
QUOTE (Nomad @ Nov 23 2008, 12:05 AM) *
It surprises me not that you cannot differentiate between a systemic intervention of the nations financial institutions in hopes of preventing a complete financial meltdown or throwing money at an ailing bloated industry just to reward the union voters and keep them in the Dem camp. But that's ok, Shemp, you are young, ignorant and indoctrinated. Hopefully some day you will learn to think for yourself..............................
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You're like ustrader. You have an extensive, phantasmic way of saying that you have no answer too, huh. 020.gif 015.gif
ustrader
QUOTE (Grizzly @ Nov 23 2008, 09:56 PM) *
(Thinking: that sure is an extensive way of telling someone that you do not have a direct answer to their question.)



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Duplicity of denial indoctrinated in the name of Obama-nationalism.



How often it is that the angry man rages relentlessly and repetitively, in self images, saying in self talk double speak silently but loudly, it's not denial when I'm just selective about the reality and facts I accomplish.”-Trader


One Door Opens, while another closes, wherefrom, the end is just the beginning.

Grizzly
QUOTE (ustrader @ Nov 23 2008, 06:20 PM) *
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Just think how funny it would be if George Dubya Bush was in that picture. huh.gif blink.gif laugh.gif
Bennett
QUOTE (Nomad @ Nov 21 2008, 10:26 PM) *
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Skewing the facts to fit with your own version of 'the truth' is a dangerous habit.

Also, the blatant Islamophobia in your last thread isn't going to help your understanding of the people you consider to be at odds with. Have you ever visited a mosque Nomad?
Bennett
QUOTE (KenRI @ Nov 22 2008, 04:27 AM) *
What a bunch of hypocrites you Leftists are. Disgust isn't even a strong enough word to describe it. For years you ALL have been saying al Qaeda is stronger BECAUSE OF BUSH, now all of a sudden you have president-elite Hussein Obama and all of a sudden al Qaeda is showing weakness?? Yeah, that makes sense...NOT. Here's what makes sense: if al Qaeda is weaker it's BECAUSE of Bush, so are you morons going to give him any credit for that or are you just going to annoint Nobama's feet with oil?

You people are such absolute fools. God help this country because we're going to need it the next 4 years under this inexperienced hack and revived Clinton administration.


Bush is still President. The fact you consider this a partisan point when none was intended is in fact hilarious. smile.gif

These tactics of blame pinning and name-calling are in the past. Instead realise it isn't as simple as pinning the tail on the donkey - if you are going to attack someone because they do not agree with you or believe to be making a snide point against you then good luck to ya!
Bennett
QUOTE (ustrader @ Nov 22 2008, 11:59 PM) *
When you are capable of having an informed (OIQ) (Obama-nation Intelligent Quotient) that understands, as in grasps, factually, with intellectual knowledge, WHO it is, within the United States of America’s Federal Governance, be it the Executive, the Legislative and or the Judicial branches, who is charged constitutionally with the authority to “appropriate” monies under a bill of particulars, commonly called “a law,” doing so as precisely and or ambiguously as they prefer for ALL specific purposes from which they initialize and pass the specifics that authorizes ALL the expenditure of Federal monies.

Then you might one day, when you grow up, be aware of the Government you pretend to know something about. Proving once again, now twice, as you so often do, how little you know about your government, beyond what the Obama Doomocratic Putsch indoctrinates you to know and or not know.


Is there a point there other than fear the government kids?


SoloNav
QUOTE (Bennett @ Nov 24 2008, 04:30 AM) *
Is there a point there other than fear the government kids?
So, it's Murdock, aka yeahsowhat, benjamin, and whatever British name you had, instead of Grizz, I see? Jane has banned you so you are back here?
ustrader
QUOTE (Bennett @ Nov 24 2008, 06:30 PM) *
Is there a point there other than fear the government kids?





The Point is the view.


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A point made is just words until someone makes the effort to give them meaning, otherwise, the effortlessness of someone has no purpose- Trader”


One Door Opens, while another closes, wherefrom, the end is just the beginning.
LooseCannon
They both look hot. popcorn.gif
ustrader


THE MORE THINGS CHANGE...Is Obama Killing his Honeymoon?



With Clintonites in his Cabinet, forgiveness for Lieberman, and creeping signs of centrism -- progressives may be on the verge of panic.

One of the first things Barack Obama did after winning the election two weeks ago was put an old-school political brawler in charge of his White House. Next, he saved Joe Lieberman. Then, he met with John McCain, and asked Hillary Clinton to run his State Department. For good measure, he's also apparently weighing whether to keep George W. Bush's Defense secretary, Robert Gates, on at the Pentagon.


Some on the left are worried Obama has already made to many compromises

This is the guy Republicans called a socialist, maybe a Marxist, and National Journal said was the most liberal member of the US Senate? McCain aides were saying on Election Night that their own polling showed 60 percent of the country thought Obama was a liberal (and many voted for him anyway). Barely two weeks into the transition, that number might already be dropping fast.

In fact, in his appointments, and in what can be divined of his foreign policy, there are loud echoes of the last Democratic administration, and also of that lady he beat in the primaries, the one the netroots didn't like very much. Certainly, some of Obama's supporters are getting a little nervous about what this all presages about an Obama White House. "The list [of disappointments] is getting awfully long," wrote the blogger bmaz at Firedoglake. "Almost as long as Barack Obama's arm that he used to take our money and efforts to get himself elected. All we have seen is the short arm he has used to punch us in the face and collect street cred with villagers for having done so." Open Left's Chris Bowers wrote on Friday that he felt "incredibly frustrated ... [W]hy isn't there a single member of Obama's cabinet who will be advising him from the left?" Even Pat Buchanan -- not exactly the world's most liberal guy -- apparently thinks Obama needs to throw a bone to progressives after the start the transition is off to.

But so far, the Obama administration is shaping up to be more or less exactly what Obama always said he was, in between the "hope" and "change" rhetoric: pragmatic, consensus-oriented and interested in getting things done. That's not necessarily what a lot of Democrats want him to be, though. Obama was bound to disappoint his supporters; think of the transition as the road map for how it's going to happen. And know that it won't come as a surprise to the president-elect himself; in 2006, in "The Audacity of Hope," he wrote that people tend to "project their own views" on him, and recognized what could happen as a result: "As such I am bound to disappoint some, if not all of them."


This has been the pattern for him historically -- the left falls in love with him because of his eloquent oratory and his, I think, genuine sense of mission to help people who are less fortunate," said biographer David Mendell. "But he has legislated from somewhere in the middle, and then once he gets into a general election campaign, he tends to squirt that direction even farther. He'll irritate people on both sides -- except the right expects him to be a Democrat, and the far left expects him to be one of them. And he's consistently disappointed the far left."

To date, the president-elect's most notable difference of opinion with his supporters is probably on the subject of Joe Lieberman. He seems to have escaped blame for the Democratic failure to punish Lieberman last week, though Senate Democrats would certainly have been tougher on the Connecticut senator had Obama not intervened on his behalf. Harry Reid, instead, is becoming the fall guy for the slap on the wrist Lieberman received. That's either evidence of denial on the part of many Obama fans, or a sign that, among liberals, Obama has far more goodwill to burn than Reid has. Blogger and author (and Salon contributor) David Sirota blames long-standing Democratic habits and not Obama for Lieberman's escape from punishment. "The Democratic leadership [on Capitol Hill] has decided that the way it is going to govern, it is going to essentially triangulate aggressively against its own party," said. "I actually don't think Obama in his policy positions he's taken since the election -- I don't think he's actually done that. It's possible that congressional leaders are actually fearing that Obama will be far more legislatively aggressive than them."

But the big sticking point for many of Obama's intra-party critics is the strong strain of Clintonism running through appointments. They can lay the failure to banish Lieberman at Harry Reid's feet but they can't rewrite the résumés of people like Rahm Emanuel.

"You could have had an administration with a sprinkling of Clinton people, it would have been fine," said Robert Kuttner, co-editor of the American Prospect and a distinguished senior fellow at Demos, a liberal think tank (and a longtime critic of Bill Clinton's centrist economic policies). "But when so many of the top people are holdovers, and he's promoting change, you have to say, wait a minute." Republicans are hoping to exploit any disconnect between Obama and his supporters -- the Republican National Committee has been sending reporters e-mail blasts of background research on each potential Cabinet pick, pointing out how many are Washington insiders with long ties to the Clinton administration or to other parts of the city's establishment.

Part 2: 'Appointing someone who helped get us into this mess... is a really bad idea'

The list of Clinton alums in the transition or the administration starts with Hillary Clinton, who is reportedly set to take over at State, then goes to Emanuel, the incoming White House chief of staff, transition co-chairman (and Clinton White House chief of staff) John Podesta and plenty of lower-level aides. Eric Holder, whom Obama will reportedly nominate as attorney general, was a deputy at the Justice Department under Clinton. New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson, who is likely to be named Commerce secretary soon, had several Clinton administration jobs (though he endorsed Obama after dropping out of the presidential race himself). Clinton's former Treasury secretary, Lawrence Summers, will be a senior White House economic advisor and nearly got his old job back -- which progressives are particularly alarmed about. "Appointing someone who helped get us into this mess with what he fought for is a really bad idea," said Robert Borosage, co-director of the Campaign for America's Future. (New York Federal Reserve branch head Tim Geithner will be named the new Treasury secretary-designate on Monday; he's worked closely with much of the Clinton-era economic team in the past.)

Some antiwar activists are also starting to wonder what happened to the Obama who first rose to prominence in the Iowa caucuses because he opposed the war. "Obama always really used to his advantage the fact that he did not support the Iraq war in the beginning, and that was a key argument that he used to discredit Hillary Clinton, and something that he was able to tout to his benefit," said Kelly Dougherty, executive director of Iraq Veterans Against the War. "People put all this hope into getting Obama elected -- the reasons were much deeper. They didn't just want to get him elected, but they want to see real change." Add in Clinton, at State, and Vice President-elect Joe Biden, and Obama would be getting foreign policy and military advice from a lot of people who supported the Iraq war. And then there are people who are rumored to be under consideration who worked for someone far more hated on the left than Hillary Clinton. If Bush's secretary of defense, Robert Gates, sticks around, how will that play with the base? How about John Brennan, who worked at the CIA earlier in the Bush administration and whom Obama is rumored to like for a top intelligence job (either at CIA or as director of national intelligence)? The Brennan rumor is already proving divisive because of his support for torture.

Still, even critics are sanguine about some of Obama's picks. Obama doesn't have much choice except to turn to ex-Clinton aides in many jobs; there aren't many Democrats who are ready to take relatively senior positions who've worked in government but didn't work for Clinton.

"It hasn't surprised me that he's chosen stars from the Clinton bench, because that's the bench we have," said Borosage, who -- aside from the return of Summers to a national role -- mostly likes the direction of the transition so far. "Many of the appointments strike me as terrific, in the sense of serious people who will try to get things done."

That does seem to be the main factor motivating what the transition team is doing so far. Every public statement from Obama, Podesta and Emanuel has emphasized a desire to hit the ground running on Jan. 20; progressives may not love some of the names Obama is appointing to these jobs, but they still like what he says he wants the appointees to do once in office. Working in Chicago, Obama aides never spent much time during the campaign worrying about what Democrats back in D.C. were saying about their strategy, and so far, the transition team seems to be taking a similar approach. Emanuel, after meeting with Senate Republicans on Thursday, sounded more bipartisan and magnanimous than he ever has before. "The challenges for the country are large," he told reporters. "The problems we face are of a serious magnitude. There is enough area and enough goodwill for ideas from both parties to solve those challenges."

Obama aides seem to have settled on a pretty blunt message for supporters who don't like the appointments he's making: Obama's in charge -- calm down. "People need to understand one thing," senior advisor David Axelrod told ABC News' "This Week With George Stephanopoulos" on Sunday. "There's one person who's going to be in charge of American foreign policy, and there's one person who's going to be in charge of American economic policy. And that's Barack Obama."

For now, any grumbling is at a low enough volume that it doesn't have Obama staffers worried; even Kuttner said some of the people who might raise eyebrows as Clintonites (like Holder, and incoming White House counsel Greg Craig) endorsed Obama in the primary campaign, representing a clear break. On Capitol Hill, Democrats say they're mostly impressed with the transition operation so far -- there's been hardly any infighting, the leaks of names appear to be deliberate and no one hears a peep about people who weren't picked. Obama's ban on lobbyists in the transition means plenty of Hill staffers are working to put together the new administration, which is a sure way to set lawmakers at ease, and many progressive interest groups already had relationships with the people doing the day-to-day work at the transition.

Still, sometime next year, if the White House proposes something that really gets under the skin of liberal activists, no one will be able to say they couldn't see it coming. It's one thing to build a coalition of progressives and sweep to the Oval Office on the heels of record disapproval for the current occupant. As Obama and his supporters are finding out already, it's a whole other thing to govern.

http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/...,592260,00.html



One Door Opens, while another closes, wherefrom, the end is just the beginning.








Bennett
QUOTE (SoloNav @ Nov 24 2008, 11:15 AM) *
So, it's Murdock, aka yeahsowhat, benjamin, and whatever British name you had, instead of Grizz, I see? Jane has banned you so you are back here?


Wrong again. You are truly paranoid! rolleyes.gif
Bennett
QUOTE (ustrader @ Nov 24 2008, 01:07 PM) *
A point made is just words until someone makes the effort to give them meaning, otherwise, the effortlessness of someone has no purpose- Trader”


The first part is contentious, it implies there is no meaning in the words jumbled together (the meaning is construed as a point). The second part does not make any sense...
TheAvenger
You ever hear of the edit button? You fuggin moron. You don't need 5 posts to make your point!
ustrader
QUOTE (Bennett @ Nov 25 2008, 10:54 PM) *
The first part is contentious, it implies there is no meaning in the words jumbled together (the meaning is construed as a point). The second part does not make any sense... Precisely: To someone indoctrinated to be in the effortlessness zone, it would not, as the mirror of self reflection would not, in effort, met the expectations of the mirror's true reflection, which may or may not be seen as matched, depending YOUR view.

Though the point was niether mutually exclusive nor disjointed in meaning nor contentciousness, expectations of unawares are loudly clear.





One Door Opens, while another closes, wherefrom, the end is just the beginning.
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Liberals Angry Over Obama Keeping Gates as Pentagon Chief
President-elect Obama's expected selection of Robert Gates as his defense secretary and retired Gen. Jim Jones as his national security adviser is raising eyebrows among liberals.


More than a month before he takes the oath of office, President-elect Barack Obama already is testing the loyalty of his liberal base.

On Monday, he is expected to announce his national security team, which will include Robert Gates as his defense secretary, a carry-over from the Bush administration, and retired Gen. Jim Jones, who supported John McCain for president, as his national security adviser.

Liberal blogger Chris Bowers of The Open Left says the message sent by the selection of Gates undermines Democrats.

"The message would be clear," he writes in his blog. "Even Democrats agree that Democrats can't run the military."

Obama's outspoken opposition to the Iraq war before he became a U.S. senator was one of the reasons he was embraced early in the presidential race by the anti-war faction of the Democratic Party's base, so his apparent decision to keep a Bush adviser as defense secretary for at least a year has raised some eyebrows within that faction.

Bowers, a member of the Pennsylvania state Democratic committee, argues that Gates provided support and cover for practices from waterboarding to the use of psychotropic drugs on terror detainees. The blogger isn't as negative toward Jones but still called it "very disappointing."

"It is just so very frustrating," Bowers writes. "It seems like the only place progressives are making any gains is in the House. We are being entirely left out of Obama's major appointments so far. I guess everyone gets to play in Obama's administration, except progressives."

Democratic blogger Brent Budowsky, who served as a congressional assistant in the 1970s and 1980s, said he would have preferred to see Republican Sen. Chuck Hagel of Nebraska or former Democratic Sen. Sam Nunn of Georgia get the nod for defense secretary.

Budowsky said he fears that Obama's national security team will steer him toward a longer military commitment than the one he made on the campaign trail.

"It is unfortunate that on an issue so momentous as who runs the Pentagon at time of war, the views that were stated in the campaign, and supported so deeply by the base of the Democratic Party and the new voters and small donors who were the heart of the Obama campaign, are sacrificed so quickly, for Bob Gates," he writes in his blog.

GOP strategist Dave Winston told FOX News that some pushback was to be expected.

"The base is clearly going to say, where are you headed in terms of this policy?" Winston said. "And I think it will cause him some headaches with the base, although for the overall country, I think they will see it quite favorably."

Democratic consultant Bob Beckel told FOX News that objections from liberals over Obama's Cabinet selections isn't all bad.

"Not so sure, from Obama's standpoint, it's bad politically," he said. "It helps him in his negotiation with Congress."

Obama's national security team also will include several former members of Bill Clinton's administration, eliciting some complaints about recycling people from the Clinton White House. And Obama is expected to pick Hillary Clinton to be his pick for secretary of state.

But Beckel says Obama needs experience from the last Democratic White House.

"If he went to a Democratic administration before that, he'd have to go to the nursing home," he said

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2008/11/29...-keeping-gates/



One Door Opens, while another closes, wherefrom, the end is just the beginning.
ustrader



One Door Opens, while another closes, wherefrom, the end is just the beginning.
ustrader



Sunday, November 30, 2008

Forty-two percent (42%) of the nation’s voters now Strongly Approve of the way Obama is performing his role as President-elect while 19% Strongly Disapprove. Those figures give Obama a +23 rating in the Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Approval Index, matching his highest rating yet (see trends). Sixty-eight percent (68%) believe that the President-elect is politically liberal, including 41% who see him as Very Liberal.

The Presidential Approval Index is calculated by subtracting the number who Strongly Disapprove from the number who Strongly Approve. Rasmussen Reports believes that this is a better measure of public perceptions than the overall approval ratings. Overall, 63% of voters somewhat or strongly approve of Obama’s performance so far while 34% disapprove.

The Presidential Approval Index is updated daily at 9:30 a.m. Eastern Time and a FREE daily e-mail update is available. No polling will be conducted over the next several days and the next update will be released on Sunday, November 30. By way of comparison, 14% of all voters Strongly Approve of the way George W. Bush is handling his job as president. Forty-three percent (43%) Strongly Disapprove. That gives the current President a -29 rating on the Presidential Approval Index.

Seventy-four percent (74%) of Democrats Strongly Approve of the way Obama has performed as President-elect. Just 12% or Republicans are that enthusiastic.

Other polling shows that 47% say Vice-President elect Joe Biden’s role will not be as significant as Dick Cheney’s was.

Seventy-seven percent (77%) believe that schoolchildren should recite the Pledge of Allegiance each day.

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A review of last week’s key polls is posted each Saturday morning. We also invite you to review other recent demographic highlights from the tracking polls.

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http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_con..._approval_index






One Door Opens, while another closes, wherefrom, the end is just the beginning.
ustrader
Putsch DOOMocats revelations: A weakness for elitism.



Reid: Capitol Visitor Center Will Minimize 'Smell' of Tourists

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid is looking on the bright side as the Capitol Visitor Center opens years behind schedule and millions over budget.


The Capitol Visitor Center is opening years behind schedule and millions over budget, but at least it's got good ventilation.

That was Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid's take at the official dedication for the center Tuesday morning, as he quipped that members will no longer have to "smell the tourists" on hot summer days.

"My staff has always said, 'Don't say this,' but I'm going to say it again because it's so descriptive because it's true," Reid said.

He referenced House Minority Leader John Boehner's comments about the long lines of tourists that stream into the Capitol complex, and said: "In the summertime, because (of) the high humidity and how hot it gets here, you could literally smell the tourists coming into the Capitol."

As the crowd laughed, Reid said, "And that may be descriptive but it's true. Well, that is no longer going to be necessary."

So put the deo away, and let the Capitol Visitor Center do the work.

The massive, 580,000 square-foot facility is the largest addition to the Capitol complex in its history.

An exhibit hall contains important documents and artifacts, and the facility is expected to host about 3 million visitors a year.

The $621 million project, however, was completed more than $350 million over original projections and four years behind schedule.

O yeah, Big Government nationalization: The true Liberal ticket to success and a Future for AMERICA.



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Black Nationalism Chicago Politico Mafia style: BLACK for BLACK, but hell NO, to White or Brown!

Congressman: Obama's Senate Replacement Must Be Black

As Barack Obama takes over the White House, he leaves in his wake a host of vacancies, and some are becoming the focal points for fresh political battles.


The race to replace Barack Obama as Illinois' junior senator heated up Tuesday as Rep. Bobby Rush, D-Ill., called on Gov. Rod Blagojevich to name a black man or woman to the seat.

By invoking race, Rush, who is black, drove a potential wedge between the prospective white and black contenders for the seat. Rush said it would be a "national disgrace" if Obama's seat were not filled by an African American.

Illinois isn't the only state with a seat to fill. As Barack Obama takes over the White House, he leaves in his wake a host of vacancies, and some are becoming the focal points for fresh political battles.

The Illinois governor has said he plans to name the replacement by the end of the year. That person would serve out the remaining two years of Obama's term.

"We don't want (Blagojevich) to short-circuit the will and the wisdom of the state of Illinois," Rush told FOXNews.com, after holding a press conference in Chicago announcing his petition drive for the governor to name a black candidate.

"As we speak, there are no African Americans in the Senate. (Blagojevich) has the power to put one there."

Obama's seat has been occupied twice by a black politician since the early '90s. Carol Moseley Braun, the first and only black woman to serve in the U.S. Senate, held the seat from 1993 to1999, when Peter Fitzgerald defeated her. Obama then succeeded Fitzgerald in 2004 and served until he resigned last month to prepare for the presidency.

Rush, a former Black Panther member who defeated Obama in a 2000 race for a seat in the House of Representatives, said that he wasn't backing any particular candidate to replace Obama and that he had no insight into whether Blagojevich was leaning toward a white candidate over a black candidate, or vice-versa.

But Rush said, "We don't want to risk being silent in this process." He said he plans to deliver his petition to the governor by Christmas.

Among the potential black candidates who could replace Obama are Rep. Danny Davis, Rep. Jesse Jackson Jr. and Illinois Senate President Emil Jones. Among the other potential candidates are Rep. Jan Schakowsky and Illinois Attorney General Lisa Madigan. Tammy Duckworth, who is Asian-American, also is in the mix. However, speculation is growing that Duckworth, head of the Illinois Department of Veterans' Affairs, will get the nod to lead the national department under Obama.

Chicago political consultant Philip Molfese said Blagojevich has no choice but to consider race in his decision.

"That's, I think, an important consideration the governor has to take," he said. "Barack Obama was the only African American in the U.S. Senate."

Blagojevich's office did not return a request for comment on Rush's petition. However, the Chicago Sun-Times reported last week that Blagojevich may have slipped when he referred to Davis twice last week as "Senator Davis."

Though the governor corrected himself and said he hasn't made his choice yet, he still talked up Davis as a "strong candidate" for the job.

"That's certainly telling of something," said Molfese, president of Grainger Terry. He said Davis and Duckworth are creating the most buzz in Chicago as potential replacements.

Obama's official announcement Monday that Hillary Clinton will be his secretary of state nominee also leaves a vacancy in the New York Senate seat that she holds.

Her departure means New York Gov. David Paterson will have a month or more to choose Clinton's successor. The window could lead to a frenetic holiday season in New York politics. Among those mentioned as potential successors are New York Attorney General Andrew Cuomo, Buffalo Mayor Byron Brown and a number of representatives in Congress.

Rep. Nita Lowey, one of the more prominent potential replacements, told The Associated Press she is not interested in Clinton's seat. But other potential candidates from the halls of Congress include Reps. Kirsten Gillibrand and Brian Higgins, both of whom would satisfy those seeking someone from upstate New York. New York City contenders include Reps. Carolyn Maloney, Jerrold Nadler and Nydia Velazquez.

The replacement process for other Cabinet selections is a bit more clean-cut.

New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson is expected to be named as Obama's commerce secretary on Wednesday. According to state law, the former presidential candidate would be replaced in New Mexico by Lt. Gov. Diane Denish. She would then have to run for re-election in 2010.

"It's automatic in our state," said James Flores, spokesman for the New Mexico secretary of state's office. "As soon as (Richardson's) gone, our lieutenant governor will move up to the governorship at that time."

Arizona Gov. Janet Napolitano was nominated by Obama on Monday to be his Homeland Security secretary. The move means the Arizona Democrat will be replaced by a Republican, Arizona Secretary of State Jan Brewer. Brewer is a veteran Republican officeholder with more than two decades as a legislator, county supervisor and secretary of state. Arizona does not have a lieutenant governor.

Vice President-elect Joe Biden already has his replacement in the U.S. Senate. His former aide, Edward Kaufman, was named late last month by Delaware Gov. Ruth Ann Minner to fill the seat. Kaufman plans to serve until the 2010 election, and said he is comfortable stepping down at that point.

Speculation had centered on Biden's son, Delaware Attorney General Beau Biden, but the Delaware official announced last month that he planned to fulfill his National Guard duties and would not accept an appointment. Biden is a prosecutor for the 261st Signal Brigade, which left for Iraq in November. Beau Biden could, however, run in 2010.

The Associated Press contributed to this report.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2008/12/02...lacement-black/



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Sad day for Putsch Doomocracy, NO CONGRESSIONAL SUPER MAJORITY, THIS TIME!

Georgia Sen. Chambliss wins re-election in runoff



ATLANTA – Georgia Republican Sen. Saxby Chambliss handed the GOP a firewall against Democrats eager to flex their newfound political muscle in Washington, winning a bruising runoff battle Tuesday night that had captured the national limelight.

Chambliss' victory thwarted Democrats' hopes of winning a 60 seat filibuster-proof majority in the Senate. It came after a bitter monthlong runoff against Democrat Jim Martin that drew political luminaries from both parties to the state and flooded the airwaves with fresh attack ads weeks after campaigns elsewhere had ended.

Minnesota — where a recount is under way — now remains the only unresolved Senate contest in the country. But the stakes there are significantly lower now that Georgia has put a 60-seat Democratic supermajority out of reach.

With 92 percent of the precincts reporting, Chambliss captured 58 percent to Martin's 42 percent. Chambliss' win is a rare bright spot for Republicans in a year where they lost the White House as well as seats in the House and the Senate

In related news:

Four weeks after Minnesotans cast 2.9 million ballots in an attempt to decide the costliest Senate contest in the nation, incumbent Coleman is clinging to a lead of 344 votes — with more than 92 percent of the ballots recounted as of Tuesday afternoon. Coleman began the recount with a lead of 215 votes.




http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081203/ap_on_.../georgia_senate

Secretary, Hell, I could have been a contender or was it a pretender, anyway, now I am to be a Secretary, how Sexists is that!!!



One Door Opens, while another closes, wherefrom, the end is just the beginning.
ustrader
STRIKE 1 !!



Barack Obama breaks first campaign promise by dropping oil tax

President-Elect Barack Obama has broken his first campaign promise by quietly dropping a profits windfall tax on oil companies that he promised on the campaign trail.


During the campaign, Mr Obama repeatedly promised to submit oil and gas companies to a profits windfall tax, citing the disparity between their huge profits and the struggles of ordinary Americans.

In the summer he said the tax would "help families pay their heating and cooling bills and reduce energy costs".

But the proposal has been quietly dropped from his agenda listed on transition team website's www.change.gov, setting off a storm of protest among liberal bloggers and small business groups.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/...ng-oil-tax.html


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Anxiety among Democrats as Pelosi tightens her grip

Rep. Nancy Pelosi’s (D-Calif.) moves since the November elections have shaken up some of her colleagues, with some looking over their shoulders and others worried about how the Speaker will lead her expanded majority in 2009.


Next year is regarded as the biggest legislative opportunity for Democrats since 1993, the last time they controlled the White House and both chambers of Congress

But not all Democrats are celebrating. Liberals are worried about Pelosi’s vow to govern “from the middle” and centrists are concerned that the make-up of the House leadership team has shifted noticeably to the left.


Contrary to the jubilation of House Democrats after they regained control of the lower chamber after the 2006 elections, there is some unease among members heading into the 111th Congress.


“Everybody I talk to, everybody’s worried about something,” said a Democratic staffer.


Pelosi’s effort to make some Democrats anxious could be a calculated maneuver as she seeks to maximize the effectiveness of her caucus heading into 2009. Pelosi’s hard-charging tone and decisions over the past month have sent a message to her colleagues: Don’t get too comfortable.


The seniority system that tempers the power of the Speaker is teetering, having received a body blow from Rep. Henry Waxman’s (D-Calif.) coup at the Energy and Commerce Committee.


When chairmen aren’t flinching at the possibility of a challenge from a junior member, they can look forward to being bounced by term limits in four years. That’s a change that Pelosi quietly endorsed in the 2007 House rules package.


Throughout the past four years, there has been a palpable strain in the Democratic Caucus between the older members who extol the seniority system and younger legislators who believe they deserve a more significant role in decisionmaking.


Pelosi, the unquestioned leader in the House whose enormous power seems to grow by the day, has sought to placate both factions. And to this point, she has succeeded.


Few members clash publicly with Pelosi. Reps. John Dingell (D-Mich.) and Jane Harman (D-Calif.), who were at odds with Pelosi over the last few years, were stripped of their top committee posts.


Centrists are grumbling that their growing ranks aren’t represented in the leadership team that Pelosi shaped through back-room arm-twisting. The so-called Blue Dogs, while publicly celebrating President-elect Obama’s commitment to “pay-go,” are wondering when the stimulus balloon stops expanding.


There is also growing speculation that pay-go will be waived for healthcare legislation, which is expected to cost hundreds of billions of dollars.


Meanwhile, Congress has swept in and out of town since the election with little to show except for a deposed chairman and a tongue-lashing for auto executives. And to the extent that any decisions are being announced, they’re coming from Obama’s headquarters in Chicago.


Most leadership aides, for their part, say any talk of tension is exaggerated. The word out of Pelosi’s office is not to worry.


“Everyone had and will continue to have a seat at the table,” said Pelosi spokesman Nadeam Elshami. “Her record has been that she’s a pragmatist who gets things done.”


On the day after the election, Pelosi assured that “the country must be governed from the middle.”


But as she spoke, Waxman was seeking to move things to the left. He spent the day making calls to fellow members asking them for the gavel of Energy and Commerce, where the heart of the Obama agenda will be hammered out. About two weeks later, the environmental left prevailed over the business-minded centrists when Dingell, the champion of the auto industry, was ousted.


“We’ll work with the new leadership,” Rep. Stephanie Herseth Sandlin (D-S.D.), incoming leader of the conservative Blue Dogs, said after the Dingell vote. “But to deny a man who defines the modern Congress ... is a mistake.”


Pelosi insists she had nothing to do with it. Her aides claim that she stayed strictly neutral even though Waxman hails from her state and Education and Labor Committee Chairman George Miller (D-Calif.), a Pelosi confidant, lobbied heavily for Waxman.

Pelosi did intervene when Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee (DCCC) Chairman Chris Van Hollen (Md.) indicated he would run against Rep. John Larson (D-Conn.) for caucus chairman. Van Hollen reconsidered, announcing he would stay on at the DCCC, and a Larson-Van Hollen showdown was averted.


In the Dingell-Waxman race, Pelosi’s silence was viewed as an endorsement of Waxman.


“I assume that not playing a role is playing a role,” said House Ways and Means panel Chairman Charles Rangel (D-N.Y.) last month.


Rangel, in particular, has reason to pay attention to Pelosi’s attention to the seniority system. He is perceived as one of Pelosi’s most loyal lieutenants, but is under increasing pressure to give up his gavel because of mounting ethics charges against him.


Last week, Pelosi took the unusual step of issuing a statement about the ethics committee investigation of Rangel, indicating it had been accelerated.


Yet Pelosi this week reiterated her support for Rangel. Asked at a New York event whether Rangel might lose his chairmanship, she said, “I don’t foresee that.”


Still, there are signs that Republicans might challenge Rangel’s chairmanship by way of a floor vote that will further test Rangel’s standing and popularity.


The ripples of the Dingell vote are still being felt, as the discussion turns to whether Waxman loyalists will try to unseat Dingell allies who chair the panel’s subcommittees, and who will assume Waxman’s Oversight role.


But there’s more uncertainty than that. Some say it was the seniority system, not just Dingell, under attack.

And the old rules, like Dingell, will play more of a ceremonial rule in the future.


“It’s a reed in the wind that there are other forces working the system,” said Rep. Marcy Kaptur (D-Ohio), who lost her leadership race last month against Rep. Xavier Becerra (D-Calif.) for vice chairman of the Democratic Caucus. “The seniority system is a neutral method of promotion, as opposed to [raising] money, which is becoming increasingly important.”


Democrats are embracing at least some aspects of how House Republicans promoted from within when they controlled the chamber from 1995 to 2006. Fundraising, loyalty to leadership and voting records were major factors in the selection of committee chairmen and deciding who would fill coveted seats on “A” committees.

Seniority was a major factor for the GOP, but not the dominant determinant.


Moreover, the six-year limit for committee chairmen that Pelosi has embraced was implemented by Republicans when they were in the majority.


For worried Democratic centrists, the unlikely source of salvation is Obama, derided in the campaign as the most liberal member of the Senate, who sounds more conservative with each new Cabinet appointment.


“While people are disappointed, what’s coming out of the top office in the land is good news,” said an aide to a top centrist lawmaker. Obama has also embraced pay-go principles, delighting Blue Dogs.


Some aides say what tension there is stems from the Democrats’ figuring out how to act as a majority party that controls all levers of lawmaking and policy in the federal government. It was one thing to defy a Speaker. It will be another to defy a president. And Pelosi and Obama were generally on the same page throughout the 2008 campaign season.


“It’s adjusting to a Democrat, and a Democrat with a mandate, in the White House,” said a Democratic leadership aide. “When Obama walks in to the Blue Dogs and says, ‘I need your support for getting out of Iraq in 16 months,’ it gets tough to say no.”


What, no harmony in the Putsch DOOMocracy?



http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/anxiet...2008-12-02.html


The more things appear to CHANGE, the more they DO NOT!
ustrader
Veracity and the Inter-NUT again proven an Oxymoron



Supreme Court Dismisses Challenge to Obama's Citizenship

The Supreme Court has rejected a challenge by a New Jersey resident claiming Barack Obama is ineligible to be president.

WASHINGTON -- The Supreme Court has turned down an emergency appeal from a New Jersey man who says President-elect Barack Obama is ineligible to be president because he was a British subject at birth.

The court did not comment on its order Monday rejecting the call by Leo Donofrio of East Brunswick, N.J., to intervene in the presidential election.

Donofrio says that since Obama had dual nationality at birth -- his mother was American and his Kenyan father at the time was a British subject -- he cannot possibly be a "natural born citizen," one of the requirements the Constitution lists for eligibility to be president.

Donofrio also contends that two other candidates, Republican John McCain and Socialist Workers candidate Roger Calero, also are not natural-born citizens and thus ineligible to be president.

At least one other appeal over Obama's citizenship remains at the court. Philip J. Berg of Lafayette Hill, Pa., argues that Obama was born in Kenya, not Hawaii as Obama says and the Hawaii secretary of state has confirmed.

Berg says Obama also may be a citizen of Indonesia, where he lived as a boy. Federal courts in Pennsylvania have dismissed Berg's lawsuit. Federal courts in Ohio and Washington state have rejected similar lawsuits.

Allegations raised on the Internet say the birth certificate, showing that Obama was born in Hawaii on Aug. 4, 1961, is a fake.

But state officials in Hawaii say they checked health department records and have determined there's no doubt Obama was born in Hawaii.

The nonpartisan Web site Factcheck.org examined the original document and said it does have a raised seal and the usual evidence of a genuine document.

In addition, Factcheck.org reproduced an announcement of Obama's birth, including his parents' address in Honolulu, that was published in the Honolulu Advertiser on Aug. 13, 1961.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2008/12/08...mas-citienship/


The more things appear to CHANGE, the more they DO NOT!
ustrader
The New American Paradigm; rewarding failure, dictating how and who succeeds.

Management to Meet With Ousted Window Factory Workers.

Illinois Gov. Rod Blagojevich said the state is suspending business with Bank of America, which is not providing credit to a Republic Windows and Door plant that fired 200 employees last week.

Gutierrez, a Chicago-area Democrat, said officials of the now-closed Republic Windows and Doors would meet with representatives of the workers' union, the United Electrical Workers, and of the bank that has canceled its financing of the company.

"We're very pleased to see all the support that's coming in from all around the country, including obviously President-elect Barack Obama," United Electrical Workers representative Mark Meinstein said.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2008/12/08...actory-workers/


Is this a change to socialist dictated extortion as to how private enterprises operate, rewarding failed businesses, while extorting socialized mandated tribute from other business against their own interest to companies who will fail any way, via state sponsored dictation and Presidential Influencing?

Strike 2 Presidential interference into issue of Judicial constitutional responsibility.



One Door Opens, while another closes, wherefrom, the end is just the beginning.

ustrader
DEMOCRATIC


Narcissistic entitlement is all about me, while, earned inalienable rights, are about us.

Chicago politics, the heart, and soul of the Obama Nation.

http://www.bearpit.net/index.php?s=&sh...st&p=104406


Republican Culture of Corruption CHANGE, yes we can to the DOOMocratic culture of Corruption
Now that is the change you can on.


Feds: Illinois Governor arrested and Charged for trying to 'auction' Obama's US Senate seat

Blagojevich is accused of 'corruption crime spree' over Senate appointment [/b]


Criminal governors

Three former Illinois governors have gone to Prison in the past 35 years, is the 4th not far behind?:


— Otto Kerner, a Democrat who was governor from 1961 to 1968, served less than a year of a three-year sentence after his 1973 conviction on bribery, tax evasion and other counts. He was convicted of arranging favorable horse racing dates as governor in return for getting horse racing association stock at reduced prices. Kerner died in 1976.

— Dan Walker, a Democrat who was governor from 1973 to 1977, served 1 1/2 years of a seven-year sentence after pleading guilty in 1987 to bank fraud, misapplication of funds and perjury. The charges were not related to his service as governor.

— George Ryan, a Republican who was governor from 1999 to 2003, was convicted of corruption in 2006 for steering state contracts and leases to political insiders while he was Illinois secretary of state and then governor. He is serving a 6 1/2-year prison term.

In addition, William Stratton, Democratic governor from 1953-1961, was later indicted but then acquitted on charges of income tax evasion.
Source: AP

Chicago Tribune allegedly pressured

According to a federal criminal complaint, Blagojevich also was charged with illegally threatening to withhold state assistance to the Tribune Co., the owner of
the Chicago Tribune, in the sale of Wrigley Field. In return for state assistance, Blagojevich allegedly wanted members of the paper's editorial board who had been critical of him fired.

Federal prosecutors have acknowledged they're also investigating "serious allegations of endemic hiring fraud" under Blagojevich.

Political fundraiser Antoin "Tony" Rezko, who raised money for the campaigns of both Blagojevich and Obama, is awaiting sentencing after being convicted of fraud and other charges.

Blagojevich's chief fundraiser, Christopher Kelly, is due to stand trial early next year on charges of obstructing the Internal Revenue Service.
According to Tuesday's complaint, Blagojevich schemed with Rezko, millionaire-fundraiser turned federal witness Stuart Levine and others to get financial benefits for himself and his campaign committee

Is this just the beginning of an exposure to Chicago and Illinois Mafioso thug and extortion Politics?

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28139155/?GT1=43001

Oddly just yesterday, this Illinois Mafioso Politician was involved in another open extortion:

The New American Paradigm; rewarding failure, dictating how and who succeeds.

Management to Meet With Ousted Window Factory Workers.

Illinois Gov. Rod Blagojevich said the state is suspending business with Bank of America, which is not providing credit to a Republic Windows and Door plant that fired 200 employees last week.

Gutierrez, a Chicago-area Democrat, said officials of the now-closed Republic Windows and Doors would meet with representatives of the workers' union, the United Electrical Workers, and of the bank that has canceled its financing of the company.

"We're very pleased to see all the support that's coming in from all around the country, including obviously President-elect Barack Obama," United Electrical Workers representative Mark Meinstein said.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2008/12/08...actory-workers/


Is this a change to socialist dictated extortion system as to how private enterprises operate, rewarding failed businesses, while extorting socialized mandated tribute from other business and or the taxpayers against their own interest to companies who will fail any way. Are we ready for a Change to state sponsored dictation and Presidential Influencing and Political extortion as so commonly practiced in the land of Obama-nation?

Which brings to mind why should a Bank, like Bank of America be solely responsible for a legally binding contract and promises contracted between a union and a private company to pay severances and other benefits if the business fails?

Follow up NEWS-

The Illinois Democratic Mafioso and its Governor’s extortion tactics worked, today Bank America agree to loan the company part of the money to pay the workers, who are still going to lose their jobs, and will be rewarded, a second time for failure, again on the tax payer’s tab.



Chicago Mafia Politic, the land of thuggery, extortion and bribery.

http://www.bearpit.net/index.php?s=&sh...st&p=103541

Yes we can Change, a Culture of Dividers.

http://www.bearpit.net/index.php?s=&sh...st&p=103957

Another example of DOOMocrat’s culture of open and honest government, a Culture of corruption, A change to, o yes we can.

http://www.bearpit.net/index.php?s=&sh...st&p=105893

The DOOMocart’s, it is not corruption when we do it!

The FBI is investigating what appears to be corrupt practices by Doomocatic dominated Detroit politicos on a sludge contract. One of the persons reportedly under investigation is Monica Conyers, wife of now very powerful Doomocratic Congressman John Conyers.
There's nothing that can't be turned into graft in Detroit, not even sludge. O yeah, Detroits Doomocratic Mayor convicted and members of City council being investigated for kick backs, Now the NOT CHANGE to a culture of honest government is it?

DOOMcrats the party for common man, Except when it comes to being Privileged hey?

Rep. Charles Rangel and Rent Control: Total Hypocrisy on Affordable Housing
How did Rangel come to acquire not just one rent-stabilized apartment, but FOUR? Certainly there is some sort of income requirements in order to qualify for rent stabilized apartments? Nope. Actually there isn't. So how does one acquire one of these coveted apartments? According to my friends that live in New York City, there are three ways that one acquires a rent stabilized apartment: inheritance, by knowing someone, or by paying what is referred to as "key money" (which, while illegal, is not uncommon). And so how likely is it that low income families acquire rent stabilized apartments through these means? Almost never.

[Color-red] It is not corruption when it benefits our DOOMocratic majority in Congress.[/color]

Portfolio reports that Democratic Sens. Christopher Dodd of Connecticut and Kent Conrad of North Dakota, as well as a few other influential Washingtonians, were listed by Countrywide employees as FOAs, or "Friends of Angelo," a reference to Angelo Mozilo, Countrywide's CEO
Estimates have been that these two Senators and others with Congress could have gotten favorable treatments that may have exceeded $500,000 in total just from this one company.

How the Democrats Created the Financial Crisis:

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=206...lumnist_hassett

Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac Invest in Democrats
Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac have also strategically given more contributions to lawmakers currently sitting on committees that primarily regulate their industry. Fifteen of the 25 lawmakers who have received the most from the two companies combined since the 1990 election sit on either the House Financial Services Committee; the Senate Banking, Housing & Urban Affairs Committee; or the Senate Finance Committee. The others have seats on the powerful Appropriations or Ways & Means committees, are members of the congressional leadership or have run for president. Sen. Chris Dodd (D-Conn.), chairman of the Senate banking committee, has received the most from Fannie and Freddie's PACs and employees ($133,900 since 1989). Rep. Paul Kanjorski (D-Pa.) has received $65,500. Kanjorski chairs the House Financial Services Subcommittee on Capital Markets, Insurance and Government-Sponsored Enterprises, and Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae are government-sponsored enterprises, or GSEs.

Top Recipients of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac
Campaign Contributions, 1989-2008
Name Office Party/State Total
1. Dodd, Christopher J S D-CT $133,900
2. Kerry, John S D-MA $111,000
3. Obama, Barack S D-IL $105,849
4. Clinton, Hillary S D-NY $75,550
5. Kanjorski, Paul E H D-PA $65,500
6. Bennett, Robert F S R-UT $61,499
7. Johnson, Tim S D-SD $61,000
8. Conrad, Kent S D-ND $58,991
9. Davis, Tom H R-VA $55,499
10. Bond, Christopher S 'Kit' S R-MO $55,400
11. Bachus, Spencer H R-AL $55,300
12. Shelby, Richard C S R-AL $55,000
13. Emanuel, Rahm H D-IL $51,750
14. Reed, Jack S D-RI $50,750
15. Carper, Tom S D-DE $44,389
16. Frank, Barney H D-MA $40,100
17. Maloney, Carolyn B H D-NY $38,750
18. Bean, Melissa H D-IL $37,249
19. Blunt, Roy H R-MO $36,500
20. Pryce, Deborah H R-OH $34,750
21. Miller, Gary H R-CA $33,000
22. Pelosi, Nancy H D-CA $32,750
23. Reynolds, Tom H R-NY $32,700
24. Hoyer, Steny H H D-MD $30,500
25. Hooley, Darlene H D-OR $28,750
Includes contributions from PACs and individuals.
2008 cycle totals based on data downloaded from the
Federal Election Commission on June 30, 2008


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One Door Opens, while another closes, wherefrom, the end is just the beginning.
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