Nomad
Jun 11 2008, 10:00 PM
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On April 24th 2006, Nancy Pelosi released a press statement that was reported to address the Republican’s empty rhetoric with regard to gas prices. In the press release from over two years ago Nancy wrote:
“With record gas prices, record CEO pay packages, and record oil company profits, Speaker Hastert and the Majority Congress continue to give the American people empty rhetoric rather than join Democrats who are working to lower gas prices now.
“Democrats have a commonsense plan to help bring down skyrocketing gas prices by cracking down on price gouging, rolling back the billions of dollars in taxpayer subsidies, tax breaks and royalty relief given to big oil and gas companies, and increasing production of alternative fuels.”
It is now June of 2008 and the price of oil has doubled in the last year and it is up 44% since January. If the Democrats had a plan (I highly doubt that) then they either forgot to implement it or it was implemented and was a horrible failure. Much like any other time Democrats claim to have a plan, they are long on talk and short on action. In fact, are usually lying about what they “plan” to do. There is a lie up front in the price gouging claim. They have conducted about a dozen investigations and have found no price gouging. The only gouging is by state and federal governments who reap trillions of dollars in taxes and don’t have to do anything for the money.
The real thing we need to know is why has the plan not been implemented? If it has, why has it not worked and what kind of plan was it to give us such huge increases? Nancy Pelosi promised America that she and her Democrats had a plan and now things are worse than they were a year ago. I think I can speak for everyone when I answer why this is the case.
Empty rhetoric…
LinkThe Dems are the ones that got us here and it will only get worse. We have the largest proven reserves of crude on the planet. Yet a small minority will not let us exploit our natural resources. It was Slick Willie that vetoed harvesting Anwar. And today a bill to allow drilling in formerly banned coastal areas was blocked by dems in committie. No mystery here. The dems want people to suffer so as to view them as their savior. They don't give a fk about the country. Power is all they want.
TheAvenger
Jun 13 2008, 11:09 PM
Indeed. We must "protect" our environment, so we will not drill in our own country, yet in the rest of the world it's alright if they drill in their country. Hey dem's, if you are so compassionate about other countries like Kenya, why don't you protest the fact the middle east is drilling up so much oil and polluting their own country. I notice that the liberals are very compassionate about some areas of the world, but other areas they could give a rats ##### about.
Thaiquila
Jun 14 2008, 02:59 PM
Bush has been in power for 8 years.
Blame a fascist!
TheAvenger
Jun 14 2008, 03:07 PM
Democrats have had congress for 2 years, and since then gas has sky rocketed. Bush can NOT control gas prices. If he can please tell me how he can lower gas prices? Oh, he could drill for oil in OUR COUNTRY. Oh wait, the democrats BLOCKED that, so looks to me like the solution for LOWER PRICES, was blocked by democrats.
Thaiquila
Jun 14 2008, 10:30 PM
QUOTE (TheAvenger @ Jun 14 2008, 10:07 PM)

Democrats have had congress for 2 years, and since then gas has sky rocketed. Bush can NOT control gas prices. If he can please tell me how he can lower gas prices? Oh, he could drill for oil in OUR COUNTRY. Oh wait, the democrats BLOCKED that, so looks to me like the solution for LOWER PRICES, was blocked by democrats.
Bush 8 years, Congress 2 years, Bush veto power, do the math!
chuckd
Jun 14 2008, 10:56 PM
TQ:
I hate to remind you that it was the ubiquitous William Jefferson Clinton that first vetoed the attempt to drill in ANWR.
It must have slipped your mind.
TheAvenger
Jun 15 2008, 01:19 AM
And the republican bills will never get through to the president! You are blaming the president for saying no to horrible bills? The democrats JUST blocked a bill to drill in our country. Can you tell me how you support the congress when they veto any bill designed to drill in our country and lower our gas prices.
Fit2BThaied
Jun 17 2008, 06:30 AM
Whose fault is it, that oil prices have skyrocketed? Theirs, yours, and my fault. Instead of getting 75 miles per gallon on a 150 motorbike, maybe I should just go on a bicycle. And your gas mileage is......? Congress cannot legislate the price of oil without conquering the world at a war cost of 985,789 trillion more dollars borrowed from the Chinese, UK, and Japanese. The price is world-wide, set by the market, and manipulated by greedy speculators. The Democrats in Congress proposed little more than a temporary repeal of the federal gasoline tax, which the failed oilman in the White House would veto. Oil windfall profits taxes, again? It would never become law.
Forget the tar sands in the Western hills of North America. Not yet ready for prime time for at least another decade. There is a reason they are called TAR sands.
Oh, I do not have the almighty answer. There are hundreds of answers, , most of them complex, some of them blind alleys. But we could blame Arab dictators and hungry Chinese capitalists in Bejing before we blame legislators in democratic countries.
TheAvenger
Jun 17 2008, 11:18 AM
The price is set by the market when the oil comes OUT OF THE COUNTRY. If we drill here, well then WE CONTROL THE PRICE. If we are buying it from other countrys, they can raise the price. If we get the oil ourselves, then we can sell it to our own citizens without having to worry about the Arabs raising the price to try and cripple our economy. Oil is everything, and right now these diaper heads have us manipulated. If we stop buying the Saudis oil, their entire infrastructure will collapse.
TheAvenger
Thaiquila
Jun 17 2008, 11:28 AM
QUOTE (TheAvenger @ Jun 17 2008, 07:18 PM)

The price is set by the market when the oil comes OUT OF THE COUNTRY. If we drill here, well then WE CONTROL THE PRICE. If we are buying it from other countrys, they can raise the price. If we get the oil ourselves, then we can sell it to our own citizens without having to worry about the Arabs raising the price to try and cripple our economy. Oil is everything, and right now these diaper heads have us manipulated. If we stop buying the Saudis oil, their entire infrastructure will collapse.
TheAvenger
We can't stop buying Saudi oil. Who do you think you are kidding?
TheAvenger
Jun 17 2008, 03:57 PM
Your right because the democrats won't let us drill in our own country!! You just proved my point!! If we drill why would we need to buy their oil?
Thaiquila
Jun 17 2008, 04:07 PM
QUOTE (TheAvenger @ Jun 17 2008, 10:57 PM)

Your right because the democrats won't let us drill in our own country!! You just proved my point!! If we drill why would we need to buy their oil?
Are you a ten year old? That new oil would last two years max. You are ridiculous. Go back to school.
TheAvenger
Jun 17 2008, 07:40 PM
QUOTE (Thaiquila @ Jun 17 2008, 04:07 PM)

Are you a ten year old? That new oil would last two years max. You are ridiculous. Go back to school.
Well, once again you are wrong.
Western North Dakota has large oil reserves. By some estimates, it has more oil than the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge. A federal government geologist estimated a formation called the Bakken shale holds 400 billion barrels of oil.Now, how much the USA uses?
The United States, with 5% of the world's population, daily consumes 20.7 million barrels (869 million gallons)You will get 5 years out of that. That is North Dakota ALONE. That is the oil in ONE state. If you start drilling all over, you will have it for a very long time. Ha, and I am the one who needs to go back to school.
Foy
Jun 18 2008, 06:01 PM
I Agree with you, Nomad.
.....And to add to the list of offenses they are trying to pin the problem on the oh so evil oil companies.
Nomad
Jun 19 2008, 10:18 PM
Fit2BThaied
Jun 24 2008, 09:54 PM
I was discussing this with a right-wing friend of mine this week, who thought the USA only imports 16% of its crude oil. I showed him it was more like 50%. One of our major importers, Chavez's Venezuela, is no longer an ally, and their oil is too sour. Mexico, a non-OPEC member, has declining production. Other importers are fair-weather friends at best, enemies sometimes. If you opened up all the offshore leases, ANWR, the Dakotas, the tar and oil sands, etc., it would take ten to twenty years to make a dent in that 50% import number. Energy independence is a nice idea, but we are far from it. Maybe 50 years from it.
Nomad
Jun 24 2008, 10:19 PM
QUOTE (Fit2BThaied @ Jun 24 2008, 09:54 PM)

I was discussing this with a right-wing friend of mine this week, who thought the USA only imports 16% of its crude oil. I showed him it was more like 50%. One of our major importers, Chavez's Venezuela, is no longer an ally, and their oil is too sour. Mexico, a non-OPEC member, has declining production. Other importers are fair-weather friends at best, enemies sometimes. If you opened up all the offshore leases, ANWR, the Dakotas, the tar and oil sands, etc., it would take ten to twenty years to make a dent in that 50% import number. Energy independence is a nice idea, but we are far from it. Maybe 50 years from it.
Oh so we should not even bother? All is lost, woe on us. Fact is if ALL restrictions were removed on tapping our oil reserves tomorrow and allowing the oil companies to reap the profits the US would be oil independent within 2 years. Tell us where I'm wrong here Fit...............
LooseCannon
Jun 25 2008, 07:11 PM
QUOTE (Nomad @ Jun 11 2008, 10:00 PM)

LinkThe Dems are the ones that got us here and it will only get worse. We have the largest proven reserves of crude on the planet. Yet a small minority will not let us exploit our natural resources. It was Slick Willie that vetoed harvesting Anwar. And today a bill to allow drilling in formerly banned coastal areas was blocked by dems in committie. No mystery here. The dems want people to suffer so as to view them as their savior. They don't give a fk about the country. Power is all they want.
How much was gas before Bush came along?
LooseCannon
Jun 25 2008, 07:46 PM
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The Dems are the ones that got us here and it will only get worse. We have the largest proven reserves of crude on the planet.
Hey stupid jerk.
What we have is Natural Gas, Coal and Oil Shale. The Saudis et al have what's called Light Sweet Crude. It was a million or more years before there was such a thing as a Democrat or a Republican before Mother Nature decided where the 'good' oil would go
Oversimplifying things a bit for stupid morons like you: you can almost take what comes out of the wells of Saudi Arabia and run it through a cheese cloth and then stick it in your car. You can't do that with the 'proven reserves' of the USA that you are talking about. Oil Shale is certainly a source of energy; but its anything but a cheap, convenient one.
ustrader
Jun 25 2008, 08:48 PM
QUOTE (LooseCannon @ Jun 26 2008, 10:11 AM)

How much was gas before Bush came along?


So, let us be clear, gas prices now, are 100% Bush's fault alone, is that right?
We got here today at $4.00 because of Bush, is that right?
He did something..yada.. to us, and, unlike Al Gore, who made,
in just 3 years, only
$100 million off the Energy credits scam Bush, his Saudi and the big oil conspiritors made gasoine prices go up to ensure the economy would collapse, inflation would roar and regime change would be easier and to make money right for himself, right?
THAT IS ALL!!
Nomad
Jun 25 2008, 09:22 PM
QUOTE (LooseCannon @ Jun 25 2008, 07:46 PM)

Hey stupid jerk.
What we have is Natural Gas, Coal and Oil Shale. The Saudis et al have what's called Light Sweet Crude. It was a million or more years before there was such a thing as a Democrat or a Republican before Mother Nature decided where the 'good' oil would go
Oversimplifying things a bit for stupid morons like you: you can almost take what comes out of the wells of Saudi Arabia and run it through a cheese cloth and then stick it in your car. You can't do that with the 'proven reserves' of the USA that you are talking about. Oil Shale is certainly a source of energy; but its anything but a cheap, convenient one.
And some little wet behind the ears little pissant that worships a corrupt scumbag like Annan is gonna tell me about this world. FK YOU LC. I'll bet I got at least 30 years on you son. What the Fk makes you think you can educate me about anything you Fk worm.
Fact is we HAVE the largest proven oil reserves on this planet. The form of which does not matter. At $130.00 oil our shale deposits can be harvested and still put a buck in the oil companies wallet while keeping gas below $4.00. Or would you prefer to wait for $10.00 gas?
You are a loser LC. A loser always looks at why things can"t be done, a winner looks at how things can be done and goes out and does it. The winners make money and the losers whine that the winners have too much money. If the world was filled with people like you 100 years ago we wouldn't have jet travel and people would still be dying of smallpox, typhoid, etc.
You are ignorant beyond belief................................
DUMB F*UCK........................
Nomad
Jun 25 2008, 09:41 PM
Nomad
Jun 25 2008, 09:43 PM
chuckd
Jun 26 2008, 01:03 AM
Hmmmm.
Wonder what the price of gas was when the democratic controlled congress was sworn in.
Anybody know?
ustrader
Jun 27 2008, 04:33 PM
QUOTE (chuckd @ Jun 26 2008, 04:03 PM)

Hmmmm.
Wonder what the price of gas was when the democratic controlled congress was sworn in.
Anybody know?

Hmm?

Bill Clinton took Office: 01/11/1993 =$1.2090
Bush Took Office = 01/18/2001 =$1.5990 (+$.399 Clinton)
Democrats regain majority= 01/01/2006= $2.3790 (+$.78 Bush)
06/16/2008 = $4.2590 (+$1.88 Democratic Majority)
14 points to Liberal Extremism! THAT IS ALL!!
Fit2BThaied
Jul 1 2008, 09:41 PM
Nomad, I was going to answer your reasonable request on the previous page of this thread, but I won't. Nobody wants to discuss things with a poster that verbally abuses his opponents. We lose the argument every time by personal attacks.
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