Now that the candidates are set for the US Presidential Election, Barack Obama and John McCain are beginning to set the tone for their campaign. Looking at their most recent speeches, what do you think about what you hear?

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Obama is more negative then McCain. McCain has hopes and dreams for this country. Obama thinks this country is awful, and Obongo does not have much hope. Hmm, should we vote for the guy who says this country is awful? Or the man who thinks this is a strong country.

Look this is the 2nd name registered to "push traffic to this site.. trolls are not welcome here, except by TQ and Roadkilloh yea, FITS too of course.

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So, just who are you, Tom?

I've never heard from you before???? Does Phil know about you?

I am another partner on this forum. For awhile I have sat back and watched things, but I am planning on taking a larger interest in this place now. I am planning on making a few changes around here, and getting things running smooth again.

I will show you negative. McSame on election night. He is an old dinosaur and a guaranteed loser. I look forward to your total disappointment!

Obamination will lead this country into a decline. No way around it if he is elected. This tool would makes Jimmy Carter look like a good president

Are you a blind man? Bush has already dragged us into a historic decline. The rest of the world (have you ever travelled) now mostly hates us and considers us a laughingstock, mostly due to bush. What do you think they will think if we elect McSame? Electing Obama is just the major change we need at this sorry point in our history, thanks to war criminal bush.

Why does it matter what the rest of the world thinks of us? Such a typical liberal point of view. I sure hear a lot about change, yet can you give me a couple of examples how Obamination will "change' this country? And examples please. Can you tell me what actions bush has done to drag us down? please tell me how he has made this country decline, when democraps have had congress for 2 years.

You continue to show your amazing ignorance. Read a newspaper. America needs to operate in a global environment. A great deal of our previous power (now gone) was due to the moral high regard alot of the world held of us. That is now mostly gone thanks to the the unilateral Iraq war, based on lies to the American people. Again, read a newspaper, not your right wing propaganda.

Changes from Obama? Are you serious? The world will be amazed when a country they perceive as racist (thanks to you) elects a black President with a Muslim name. He has promised much greater access to health care (Europeans laugh at us for our barbarism in this regard) and has promised to withdrawal from Iraq. And that is only from a start. You are pathetic if you don't already know these basic things.

Global environment hmm... well last I checked any and all previous super powers took over other countrys. We are the first country to not go and change other countrys. We help them, and we get attacked. You think that the muslims would stop attacking us if the world "respected" us? Give me a break. The world hates us BECAUSE we are number 1, not because number 1 is going to Iraq TO PROTECT this country, and others from attacks. Now, TQ, you are so passionate about helping others in Africa and others, yet when it comes to Iraq, you do NOT care about the people their. We have saved so many lives, yet your ignorance can not comprehend how this world is more safe since saddam "took a vacation" from being leader. So this country is percieved as "racist"? Do you have any idea what african countrys do to white people that go there? They rape, torture, and murder them. We are so lenient, we are one of the few countrys who treats EVERYONE equal. Now, do not turn this into another I am gay, I have no rights blah blah blah. Well, you can go get married in California. Obongo speaks a lot about change, but I could go change from two-ply toilet paper to one-ply. Change isn't always good

I am not only talking about Islamics. I am also talking about Asians, Europeans, and Africans, etc. We invaded Iraq for OIL as Alan Greenspan said, based on lies. Are you the last one who doesn't know they have been lied to by bush? Amazing. California gay marriages are worthless without being federally recognized for things such as immigration and taxes. They are also not recognized in other states, but yes, it is a symbolic first step.

You are way out of date about the true motivations of American foreign policy, now and in the past. The world understands now. We are not out to help. Our history has some great moments, like winning WW2, but the world will no longer allow us to rest on such old laurels. We are not number one either. We are number one in percentage of population in prison. We are a police state, like Iran. We have the worst health care system in the developed world, check the WHO ratings for proof. We are only number one in military power, but as so many countries are now going nuclear even that "advantage" is not so big. Also, our dollar is as weak as a third world country. You are just brainwashed and ignorant. You could learn alot from me but you are not interested. Idiots like you more or less insure our continued severe decline, and for that, I consider you a traitor.

The wingnuts would like us to think the GOP is all good and the Dems are all bad. It just isn't like that. They are like Fords and Chevrolets, they have all had good years and bad years. Right now, the Republicans are having a well deserved bad year. I think the Democrats should share at least half the blame for not making Bush and Cheney and the other crooked neocons accountable.

Good. That's good news.

That should discourage those that would like to see this place fail.

Sorry, Avenger, I mistook you for a sentient being, or an informed poster. Going into Iraq was taking over another country. So was going into Afghanistan. We already were the only superpower when Bush took office, and the world loved us, more or less. The tide has turned against us because of the Iraq war, and we are not seen (by foreigners who have at least one eye open) to have gone into Iraq to protect Iraqis.

Would I be so pedantic as to correct your spelling, capitalization, and racist terms? Yes, I would.

Tom, welcome to Bearpit. You might introduce yourself, state any changes in policy, etc., if you have not done so already.

Sorry, fits you are not sorry at all! Why are you being so dishonest?

We who know of you, that, wanta be, Plantation “masta” praying mantis of self-superior-ism making commentary in “I think, I think, thus I am.” These usual harps made mainly about disagreements and your desire to express a self-sense of superiority, not correction. We know you are not sorry and it is just a Fits, fit, so why not tell this person that, instead of using this abuse in ruse life example you are so accustom to.

"Pedantic," most here would have another word more descriptive of self-divinity for this usual superiority fit, FITS. I think in that regard you play the role of a high priest with a pony tail as equally as you live as a symbiant in false prophetic descent, mired in the usual self doubts of a life time of abuses, ruses and a life of willful flight.

You could have just answer them you know, or god forbid, perhaps asked, but no, you ruse and abuse in the usual false sueriority of Fits fits.

I hear you troll Chang Mai University, is that true? This is you, right?

One of my relatives is a regional police commander you know.

Sting for sting.

THAT IS ALL!!

I never go on the campus of Chiang Mai University (last time I was there might have been 2005, applying for a job, when the Director of one of the uni programs recognized me and warmly invited me to apply for his faculty). I surely have never "trolled" there. It is you who are trolling, you who are making thinly veiled accusations and threats against me. In fact, you are stalking me, and that is despicable. We may disagree with another poster, but your malicious behavior is inexcusable.

Now Fits, you are a tad over wrought, aren’t you?. Of course, I know you do not troll Chiang Mai. Relax it was just an exercise to see how well I had learned the Psych Ops, Intel profile. Obviously, you may have something to fear, but it is not me.



Fits, really, it is okay, so I know, so what. Stalking and Threats, I guess you have had some bad experiences in this regard perhaps huh?

Fits you may have enemies out to get you, but I assure you, I am not one of them.

What in world would make you draw such a ridiculously self-indulgent conclusion?

I think you own me an apology Fits, I am sorry for your paranoia, or, perhaps, I imagine, your own fears, but that is no excuse to go off like that and make such an over emotional unsupported charge about me?

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I am not the one who owes an apology, Trader, it is you. You would not think I was joking if I made similar attacks against you and your family. Your stalking borders on the criminal.

What attacks and how specifically were you, laughingly, stalked and attacked, o weak one, who fear mongers in false superiority?

Self, fear of: An irrational fear of oneself, an intense self-fear that is groundless. Fear of oneself is termed "autophobia" which comes from two Greek words: "autos" (self) and "phobos" (fear) = literally, self-fear, fear of oneself. "Autos" has given us many English words such as "automatic" and "automotive" (self-moving) and "autonomy" (self-governing).

Your baggage of guilt for what you do, and or have done, is your burden fits, not mine. Come down from the clouds of false superiority you pretense in and maybe you will get different responses. I am awaiting specfics and after you have none, for an apology fits.



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Golden Rule of the Neocons; Do unto others before they do unto you.

The opposite's reverse logic:

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Knowing they are facing a landslide defeat in November, the GOP picked McCain exactly because he is a loser who can't even keep track of his property taxes.

No, it wasn't Republicans that picked McCain. It was the liberal media that guided the choices in the GOP race, just like they are doing with the Obamalama train, having turned against the less liberal choice, Clinton.

Yeah, right, the GOP can do no wrong and the Dems can't do anything right. In your shift the blame mentality, you must think the corporate controlled media causes the GOP to make their dumb mistakes. That's the same media that was a rubber stamp for Bush's lies and corruption, just as the Republican spin and slime machinery is still at work doing the old politics of hate and fear. That is surely turning voters away from Republican candidates.

I know it hard to believe for a lost indoctrinated soul, like you, Roadkill, but, all Democrats, are not created in your, the alter-net, and or the daily kos-nutrosa's imagine.

A Democrat today is not necessary a liberal in your over indoctrinated sense of what that is a liberal Democrat, you know. Look at your 2006 Congressional majority, far from liberal in its voting record and accomplishments for sure.

Obama will be no different, cause he will start running for re-election, the minute he is elected.

Look at Obama, already he is peeling you left wing onion whiners off, to get elected, because he knows o so well, you Putsch Democrats views, are, but a minority within a minority, and will not sustain his sucessful election.

Roadkill, let’s face it, you left wing-nuts have been used once again, first by Clinton, and Kerry, and now Obama.

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Today’s liberalism is "as infantile as it is narcissistic."

...ad hominem ad nauseum.

...ad defeatem ad retreateum

Syllogistic logic has essentially nothing to say in relation to reasoning about the plausibility of judgments based on evidence, reason and rationality. Thus, the retreat in defeat fallacy, where stamping off the field in surrender is the only fair choice available.

Syllogism as "a discourse in which, certain things having been supposed, something different from the things supposed results of necessity because these things are so."

Categorical syllogism:
RoadKill

All Democrat are Liberal

RoadKill is a Democrat

Therefore RoadKill is liberal.

Traders

Not all Democrats are Liberal

Roadkill is a Liberal

Therefore all Democrats are not Liberals like RoadKill.

Conclusion: Rebuked attacked thus defeated... The end.


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"...not enough lipstick to put on this pig."

http://www.buzzflash.com/articles/carpenter/129

That's (Bush III) John McCain, underachiever extraordinaire.

A pejorative connotation;

A fifth columnist is a person within a larger group of people who clandestinely seek to undermine by any means necessary a larger group to which it is expected to be loyal, such as a nation. Terrorist and proogandist are frequently considered 5th columnists as they act using dead and destruction to undermine the larger group from which they are frequently as minuscule minority in comparison. Ideology and indoctrination are frequently great tool to promote a source of 5th Columnist recruitment. Like road kill the New Cally fornia Yorker here is so well indoctrinated.





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Faked-up photos, ad hominems and childish word games don't take you very far in defending your extremist opinions. That's also not much of an endorsement of the candidate opposing Obama.

One of many reasons opportunist and warmonger McCain isn't fit to be a world leader is his insulting remarks to his colleagues as well as his crude, racist and tasteless jokes that are demeaning to women and others, including his wife, and reveal him as an arrogant jerk and like his followers, an ignorant sucker for Bush's lies and corruption.

July 17, 2008
Pelosi Calls Bush a "Total Failure"

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Lashing out with a conspicuous lack of dignity, Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi publicly announced today that the President is a "total failure."

Her Senate counterpart Harry Reid chimed in:

Who would be afraid of him? He's got a 29 percent approval rating.

Pelousy and Weed can only dream of 29% approval ratings. According to a recent Rasmussen poll, the approval rating for Congress under their leadership has fallen to 9%.

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THE LOWEST IN HISTORY EVER!!

O.J. Simpson is probably more popular. Instead of throwing rocks at Bush, they ought to be keeping watch at their windows for villagers with torches and pitchforks.


If Bush is a total failure, what does that make these clowns and their prophetic Mesahia?

Obama can't even keep track of his campaign. Anytime something happens he hides behind his campaign volunteers or whatever and says its they're mistake. Not saying everytime that happens its the canidates fault, just that its happening alot. For someone that is supposed to be able to run the country he is doing a horrible job of this own campaign.

~ Crocuta Over and Out

Just think how much more Obama would be ahead of McCain if his (Obama's) campaign was better managed. But it can't be too bad, they got $52 million in small contributions in June. People everywhere are just fed up with Republican dishonesty and incompetence. It's not just that Obama is smarter, better educated and more articulate, McCain is an old school old fool who represents a continuation of the Bush fiasco.

And now that Bush has offered to negotiate with Iran, shouldn't you be calling him a cut-and-run defeatist? That's all George W. Bush ever was, because he's the same boozer, coke sniffer and sociopathic cheap-shot frat rat, the same cowardly little brat that more than forty years ago was blowing up defenseless animals with firecrackers or cherry bombs.


I think that people want peace so much that one of these days government had better get out of their way and let them have it. - Dwight D. Eisenhower

First off, thank you for not using someone else's opinion and actually have a sliver of independance.

Two points!



He is only articulate when he has a pre-written answer, why do you think he refuses to have a town hall meeting with Mccain?



Bush has offered a diplomat, not himself to play footsies. He has not ruled out any means necessary, even force. I have not yet formed an opinion on this subject.



Oh please, this shows how wonderful your argumental skills are. Unless you can prove these accusations, just stop this pathetic attempt at slander.

Shall I bring up Obama's teenage drug use?

There's no point in going to the trouble of providing evidence for what I said. (1) You wouldn't believe it and, (2) evidence is obsolete in the current atmosphere of hate and fear and in the Bush era of torture and false imprisonment. If you're not a terrorist and have not broken any law, what do you have to be concerned about? You should worry about the loss of your personal rights as a citizen if only because of the vast dishonesty and monumental incompetence of the political hacks and party loyalists typically appointed by the Bush gang of thugs instead of experienced and qualified non partisan individuals.

In other words, I don't need evidence because Bush doesn't need evidence to throw you or me in the slammer without access to legal hearing or representation.

Nothing is more un-American than torture and false imprisonment.

Nice dodge.

And, none of your comebacks are even logical.

I am reminded of that local city council member from a small Texas town who, when asked about waterboarding and other forms of alleged torture, answered the question thusly.....

"If I have a terrorist in custody that has information about more terrorist plans and, if these plans can be stopped and save one American Soldiers life by torturing the man in custody, I only have one thing to say."

"Red is negative, black is positive!!"

Look at any volt/ohm meter and you will see that red is positive and black is negative.

Maybe that's why you've got everything backwards.

Having problems with your blood pressure today, Roadster?

I'm an executive. I have no need for this information as I have people that look at ohm meters for me.

That's no excuse for your ignorance.

Dance, baby, dance!



You don't know me personally.



You know all about excuses, right amigo?

Ohm meters are on a need to know basis. Ignorance is not being high enough on the corporate ladder that you still need to know.

Obviously a situation with which you are very familiar.

http://rudepundit.blogspot.com/2008/08/thi...in-that-it.html

http://www.evilgopbastards.com/

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