hussainmehdi
Jun 20 2008, 05:16 PM
Ladies and Gentlemen!
Welcome to our Book shop,
Good Day!!!
Today, I want to introduce our new released Book “Bible of Basra”, written by Bush Junior and coordinated by NATO.
As, you have already aware of the talent of this “fresh junior” if, you believe that that this book is going to be another piece of master, and then you are undermining this book. The book in question has new dimensions, new hope, new ideals, you will ever find in the history of humankind. This book has Dams of tears with lot of “hope fishes.” This book generates sensation, thrill, and drama in the minds of “delicate readers”. This book opens up a new mindset of moderates.
Look at this! This is 70 years old woman….an evil, died because she received a bullet of bible,
Look at this! This is 11 years old child….an evil, died because this child received bomb of bible,
This is all bible everywhere.
The author “junior” tells in the book that how 6 months old baby can be termed as evil.
The author “junior” tells in the book that how 70 years old mother can be termed as evil.
My Dear Readers!
Please read this book with calm and patience. We have invited you because you are moderates. You understand bible. You recognize evils. Your education capabilities are remarkable. Your views towards mankind is excellent. You respect human rights. That’s why this book is for you, for your children, for your generation. This book will tell you that how you will be honored in the coming history. This book shows your standing. This book shows your treatment. This book shows that how you fulfill your responsibility.
This book is presented with beautiful red cover.
Please read this book.
Its price is one barrel of oil.
Do you buy it ????
ustrader
Jun 22 2008, 12:26 AM
QUOTE (hussainmehdi @ Jun 22 2008, 01:44 PM)

Nice Answer. i certainly liked it. if, you leave it to me then i will dress up musharraf with this wearings, at the occasion, when he next meets bush. i hope bush will find further 'hope' in depth from musharraf then. what do you think? do you love your 'democratic' ruler the way i do???
One, in reality and practicality, In Paki, there has never been a word that culturally wraps its head around the idea of democracy. The rule of the gun and who has the power to control them, has been, is, and is likely for some time to be the power ruler of the land. Two, as it has been historically, the use of one hand, is, but the use of the others hand, mutual interests, are at best, all that binds any leader, thus far in either country, but you know that.
Murs-af, he will never see the President Bush again, that is silly and unimaginative. You will never get close to Murs-af, we both know that. So who is kidding who here. His fate is one of four, he leaves, he is killed, he stays, in some compromise of convenient interests, or he push the others out of the way with the army and reinstates himself. I bet on #1.
I love freedom, free choice and will, you should try it, leaders come and go, but without guns or political wangers yelling impotently in the streets. Whether you love or hate Bush, or McCain or even Obama, it does not matter, you will not affect him or them, but he and they have and will have, by far, left a lasting impression on your part of the world, be it good, bad and or ugly, yet no less, of any of the three, has your part of the world, left on itself. The choice is there, an end to the old or a new beginning to the new, the time is nearer than you know, you decide.
A man who looks past the stink in his own home, is a man whose nose is without the understanding of sight, or the wisdom of thoughtful foresight.P.S. Your pretend wonker talk, was obvious you know, and by answering in the clear, you proved it more so. It must have been the stocking that threw you off your troll game , hey
That is all!!
ustrader
Jun 23 2008, 12:46 AM
QUOTE (hussainmehdi @ Jun 23 2008, 08:05 AM)

Dear ustrader!
i put a subject that specifically mentions miseries of wars, in a hope to know the opinions of others and to share our common sense and human values.
when some one comes and talks about its problems then we do not insult or humiliate but we listen calmly and become a help, if possible. this is common behavior of human beings.
when i posted on this subject, i was expecting to share our views on this specific subject.
you know?? when we post "shark" we do not discuss "mahatam gandhi, do we?? of course, we discuss shark. this is common sense.
but instead, you share your view, you started posting bikinis, underwears, ear rings and various types of tasty western wearings. the question is: what was your point?
Ahlan wa-Sahlan
My friend, please don’t insult your intelligence much less mine, your initial post, as cryptic and difficult to decipher as it was, was far for an invitation for friendly discourse and you know that. It was a troll of A one sided view, trying to induce a cowboy response. You have been posting the same regurgitation on several Middle Eastern sites and I know it, and you do too. Let the Bull Shiite walk and we will talk.
Thus, the funny counter punch reply, as a rounds out, or if you will, a shot across your bow, saying we are here, and we understand, but we do not play games, well not much anyway.
Aasalaamu Aleikum Let us start fresh.
Okay, fair enough, I know war, in your face,blood and guts, K-bar close war. USMC, Vietnam, Class of 68 & 69. My 11 extended family members know it very well too. In fact their knowledge was gained in your comfort zones, alleys and or by ways too, many times, since September 11th 2001, in many places as well. You want to speak of war and misery, in a friendly exchange of views, then by all means speak away. I am listening. Hal beemkani mosa’adatuk?
Ma'a Salaama
THAT IS ALL!!
hussainmehdi
Jun 23 2008, 05:43 AM
QUOTE (ustrader @ Jun 23 2008, 12:46 PM)

Ahlan wa-Sahlan
My friend, please don’t insult your intelligence much less mine, your initial post, as cryptic and difficult to decipher as it was, was far for an invitation for friendly discourse and you know that. It was a troll of A one sided view, trying to induce a cowboy response. You have been posting the same regurgitation on several Middle Eastern sites and I know it, and you do too. Let the Bull Shiite walk and we will talk.
Thus, the funny counter punch reply, as a rounds out, or if you will, a shot across your bow, saying we are here, and we understand, but we do not play games, well not much anyway.
Aasalaamu Aleikum Let us start fresh.
Okay, fair enough, I know war, in your face,blood and guts, K-bar close war. USMC, Vietnam, Class of 68 & 69. My 11 extended family members know it very well too. In fact their knowledge was gained in your comfort zones, alleys and or by ways too, many times, since September 11th 2001, in many places as well. You want to speak of war and misery, in a friendly exchange of views, then by all means speak away. I am listening. Hal beemkani mosa’adatuk?
Ma'a Salaama
THAT IS ALL!!The dearest of the dear trader!
Not several but two. This is third. So what? I am not professional or seller but I am just a negotiator. I sent to counter punch too but they didn’t approve.
Please favor me to confirm this that:
Do you normally use these words like “regurgitation” “troll” “Bull Shiite” or are you using them right now to make a scene at unsc?
And please let me allow to respectfully ask you that why are you showing so anger against me from the first post? Why you always reply in a manner that is not normal in a normal term? Why you react so harshly to a person who only wants to talk?
If, you really found it cryptic then you have right to ask me why? But why so irritation? I can’t justify it, Can you?
Yes! You know war but, I do not know war and neither I want to. However, I feel war miseries when I see it on media, and, of course, it does not look good. That’s why I tried to portray it in a manner that is not in line a little. but, of course, it represents the brutality of war. It requests to the quarters concerned to stop it. It begs to orderers to end it.
Do you think that my effort is not justified?
Do you think that my request is not proper?
Do you think that my appeal is beyond law?
ustrader
Jun 23 2008, 11:14 AM
The dearest of the dear trader!
Aasalaamu Aleikum;
I am surprised you have come to conceptualized our brief encounter as somehow descriptively endearing, we have not even smoked a cigarette yet.
Not several but two. This is third. So what? I am not professional or seller but I am just a negotiator. I sent to counter punch too but they didn’t approve.
“So what” lead by a descriptive, is a pejorative term, you know? Likewise, on your presumptive miscalculations, as to approval or even disapproval, which we both know you never sought. Do not assume what you do not know. Please favor me to confirm this that:
Do you normally use these words like “regurgitation” “troll” “Bull Shiite” or are you using them right now to make a scene at unsc?
Yes.
Lost in translator I fear, “make a scene at “unsc.” And please let me allow to respectfully ask you that why are you showing so anger against me from the first post? Why you always reply in a manner that is not normal in a normal term? Why you react so harshly to a person who only wants to talk?
Are you using a translator?
That is the problem in our worlds, perception is 70% self-assuring one’s own doubts, and 30% desired outcomes. What anger specifically? Harsh, self assumed friend, from within you, I suppose. Perhaps, a mirrored view would show your own anticipation as such, as you did originally. Normal terms, hmm, no more, I think, than yours are normal in your original post, wouldn’t you think? If, you really found it cryptic then you have right to ask me why? But why so irritation? I can’t justify it, Can you?
Yes! You know war but, I do not know war and neither I want to. However, I feel war miseries when I see it on media, and, of course, it does not look good. That’s why I tried to portray it in a manner that is not in line a little. but, of course, it represents the brutality of war. It requests to the quarters concerned to stop it. It begs to orderers to end it.
Cryptic does not mean, do not understand, both meanings and intent, you know I did. Big word “irrational” as is the simple but equally complex word, “justify.” Denotes on the one hand a prejudgment and on the other a supposition that something requires rationalize validation, that something is what?
Perhaps you have forgotten you said you wanted to talk about “war and misery” specifically as that was the core of your introduction, NO? Are you Obama-ing me with the empty ideals that “words do not matter,” except, when you do not want them too perhaps?
All media today is but a game of agendas, little is meant to inform us and most is intended to fatten its own fat cats if you get what I mean. On a daily basis, I read three newspapers and I skim read 25 to 30 online newspapers from all over the world. My lesson, News today especially, like opinions, is self-reflective not so much laying out THE facts, but instead focuses on A fact, drum beat to set A implied tone. Like witness to a crime, in equal narrows of limited exposure, these days as reliable as not, as opinions and butts are to the extent that everyone has both, most, often as not, equally stinking in the cleaning of A reality, yet in truth unclean in grasps of the whole reality.
If your point here is that war has inherent in it, brutality, and from that brings misery to humans. That a no brainer, don’t you think?
In self-convenient “wanta be “differences, and a pretense of knowing, what they really do not, that wanta be difference is rationalized from the imaginations of hope. Afar preachers of anti-warrior-ism imagine, from unrealized utopia, in mythical presumptions, that those who fight wars, DO NOT, or more likely, CANNOT BE CAPABLE of grasping “the concept” that war is brutal, brings misery, and should never happen.
The defacto absurdity of this utopian logic is astounding, only to its level of self-created ignorance, about war itself, and especially those who slug through the inhumanity and insanity that is war. I want utopia too, can you show me where it is, and or tell me when it is going to come to the planet we are on?
My friend your preaching stop, but to whom, is the question you dare not try to answer.
War is NEVER unilateral. It is, in some respects, one-way and or another, large or small, always a joint venture. Which sadly is more often than not, brought on my mutual self interests colliding with the simple human error in misjudgment and miscalculation, far more equally, than those self interests of either side’s propaganda, and or in the ancient “them and us” tribal protective unity, we dare not want to understand what is never as simple as our side makes it, always far more multi-lateral and complex, than either side(s) wants to acknowledge. Do you think that my effort is not justified?
I have no idea; do you have A supposition that requires rationalize validation, that something is what exactly? Do you think that my request is not proper?
Again, I have no idea, you have yet to make a clear “request” beyond you seeing, from afar, via some, likely as not, distorted media, A vision, but unquestionably, NOT THE total vision of war, with all its dimensions and multi-lateral complex involvements.Do you think that my appeal is beyond law?
I have no idea what you actually even mean, what appeal, what, and whose law or laws, are you speaking of?
Ma'a SalaamaTHAT IS ALL!!
hussainmehdi
Jun 23 2008, 03:49 PM
QUOTE (ustrader @ Jun 23 2008, 11:14 PM)

The dearest of the dear trader!
Aasalaamu Aleikum;
I am surprised you have come to conceptualized our brief encounter as somehow descriptively endearing, we have not even smoked a cigarette yet.
Not several but two. This is third. So what? I am not professional or seller but I am just a negotiator. I sent to counter punch too but they didn’t approve.
“So what” lead by a descriptive, is a pejorative term, you know? Likewise, on your presumptive miscalculations, as to approval or even disapproval, which we both know you never sought. Do not assume what you do not know. Please favor me to confirm this that:
Do you normally use these words like “regurgitation” “troll” “Bull Shiite” or are you using them right now to make a scene at unsc?
Yes.
Lost in translator I fear, “make a scene at “unsc.” And please let me allow to respectfully ask you that why are you showing so anger against me from the first post? Why you always reply in a manner that is not normal in a normal term? Why you react so harshly to a person who only wants to talk?
Are you using a translator?
That is the problem in our worlds, perception is 70% self-assuring one’s own doubts, and 30% desired outcomes. What anger specifically? Harsh, self assumed friend, from within you, I suppose. Perhaps, a mirrored view would show your own anticipation as such, as you did originally. Normal terms, hmm, no more, I think, than yours are normal in your original post, wouldn’t you think? If, you really found it cryptic then you have right to ask me why? But why so irritation? I can’t justify it, Can you?
Yes! You know war but, I do not know war and neither I want to. However, I feel war miseries when I see it on media, and, of course, it does not look good. That’s why I tried to portray it in a manner that is not in line a little. but, of course, it represents the brutality of war. It requests to the quarters concerned to stop it. It begs to orderers to end it.
Cryptic does not mean, do not understand, both meanings and intent, you know I did. Big word “irrational” as is the simple but equally complex word, “justify.” Denotes on the one hand a prejudgment and on the other a supposition that something requires rationalize validation, that something is what?
Perhaps you have forgotten you said you wanted to talk about “war and misery” specifically as that was the core of your introduction, NO? Are you Obama-ing me with the empty ideals that “words do not matter,” except, when you do not want them too perhaps?
All media today is but a game of agendas, little is meant to inform us and most is intended to fatten its own fat cats if you get what I mean. On a daily basis, I read three newspapers and I skim read 25 to 30 online newspapers from all over the world. My lesson, News today especially, like opinions, is self-reflective not so much laying out THE facts, but instead focuses on A fact, drum beat to set A implied tone. Like witness to a crime, in equal narrows of limited exposure, these days as reliable as not, as opinions and butts are to the extent that everyone has both, most, often as not, equally stinking in the cleaning of A reality, yet in truth unclean in grasps of the whole reality.
If your point here is that war has inherent in it, brutality, and from that brings misery to humans. That a no brainer, don’t you think?
In self-convenient “wanta be “differences, and a pretense of knowing, what they really do not, that wanta be difference is rationalized from the imaginations of hope. Afar preachers of anti-warrior-ism imagine, from unrealized utopia, in mythical presumptions, that those who fight wars, DO NOT, or more likely, CANNOT BE CAPABLE of grasping “the concept” that war is brutal, brings misery, and should never happen.
The defacto absurdity of this utopian logic is astounding, only to its level of self-created ignorance, about war itself, and especially those who slug through the inhumanity and insanity that is war. I want utopia too, can you show me where it is, and or tell me when it is going to come to the planet we are on?
My friend your preaching stop, but to whom, is the question you dare not try to answer.
War is NEVER unilateral. It is, in some respects, one-way and or another, large or small, always a joint venture. Which sadly is more often than not, brought on my mutual self interests colliding with the simple human error in misjudgment and miscalculation, far more equally, than those self interests of either side’s propaganda, and or in the ancient “them and us” tribal protective unity, we dare not want to understand what is never as simple as our side makes it, always far more multi-lateral and complex, than either side(s) wants to acknowledge. Do you think that my effort is not justified?
I have no idea; do you have A supposition that requires rationalize validation, that something is what exactly? Do you think that my request is not proper?
Again, I have no idea, you have yet to make a clear “request” beyond you seeing, from afar, via some, likely as not, distorted media, A vision, but unquestionably, NOT THE total vision of war, with all its dimensions and multi-lateral complex involvements.Do you think that my appeal is beyond law?
I have no idea what you actually even mean, what appeal, what, and whose law or laws, are you speaking of?
Ma'a SalaamaTHAT IS ALL!!1- Should it necessary to have a cigarette to smoke before that? Sometimes, we love our dreams but we cannot smoke cigarettes with dreams, can we? Haven’t you ever experienced a friendly dream that you love and respect? In my view ‘no’.
2- What do you mean by “presumptive miscalculations” ?? Expressing views do not require any specific style or shape or criteria. We express what we see in various manners. Sometimes, its usual, sometimes, it may not be. So, if you find anything that is a little different from your usual tendency, then you should be broad minded, instead rejecting the entire idea out rightly. Your views are equally respectable but at the same time you should at least patiently listen someone’s view rather than rejecting it on the first place.
Is it necessary that when you see something different, you immediately start conspiracies and doubts just to discredit the whole idea? It may be justified in a little term of “interest” but it does not bring any innovation and will never be able to ‘buy’ the admiration from outside of your mind. You can live in your mind but you cannot live in every one’s mind. The values of acceptability and flexibility are required if you want home at every one’s mind. Common values cannot be denied, that’s the beauty of human society and an opportunity to make an appeal.
This is a gift of God to human beings. This is the gift that changes the society entirely but gradually.
3- You used those words and when I requested an explanation then you said; “lost in translator”. Do you find any connection and a continuity of thought in this part of your reply? Of course, if I cannot understand your words then I will need your assistance to make it clear. So, where, for God sake, “lost in translator” comes into it??? And yet you claim you are open to everyone, with this shadow??
4- Yes! I would but not on your terms. Do you know one thing? While, You are showing that you are answering my views, but actually you are self-creating a desired meanings from my reply and then you are explaining it in your own self-explanatory terms. It means, you are not addressing specific view but you are intentionally spreading your own views. Do you think that this is honesty? Of course not! Actually we keep honesty in churches and keep ‘interests’ in palaces. That, we think this our weakness and requirement is. In my view, you are intentionally avoiding the topic for unknown reasons.
5- Do you know another thing, see:
[ Hey…hey…! This is apple. This is very sweet. This is delicious, fresh, and colorful. We love this apple. However, this apple is from iran, and iran is researching on uranium without obtaining our prior ‘yes’. Iran is talking about independence and freedom from our slavery. Therefore, we reject iran. Then, you throw out apple from your window. ]
my dear! This is called presumption. 100% presumption.
You cannot simply find out that the actual problem is lying in your own script of behavior. Would you please accept my donation of thought?
You said; “War is NEVER unilateral. It is, in some respects, one-way and or another, large or small, always a joint venture.”
I totally reject your theory. This is false. War, most of the time, is unilateral.
This is fact. If, you go in history, you will find out that most of the wars were fought unilaterally. Most of the wars were fought when a powerful start to believe that that they do not need to see opponent. With this belief, they start conspiracies, create doubts, prepare fake charts, produce fraudulent dangerous scenario just to give a reason to war to eliminate their opponents.
This is, of course, a selfish and dishonest act. They try to humiliate opponent to provoke them to react, so that they can teach them a lesson and then can add them in the group of slaves.
You know? what is the weakness of power??? Power cannot see opponent.
So, when and wherever, you find a ‘power’ you will immediately notice wars.
Power has only one weakness and this is that power cannot see opponent. This weakness is the core of every problem. But, there is an amazing thing into it, that the power very slowly and gradually losses the ‘reason’. When you see power without reason, you will immediately notice that the power is on decline.
You know? reason boosts power and a power without reason cannot survive. This is nature. You cannot keep power artificially alive in oxygen tanks for a long time. As I said, this is all the game of belief. And, belief cannot continue without reason. When, you lost belief, you lost reason so the power. Yes! This is complicated but, you cannot reject facts under the pretext of complications. When you lose reason, each and every action, you initiate, will become imbalanced and unjustified. And, every human being is able to recognize ‘just’ and ‘balance’. This is nature. Here comes media. When you need to describe ‘imbalance’ as ‘balance’. But, the problem is; you cannot purchase ‘balance’. You cannot purchase ‘just’. Yes! You can describe on your media that how beautifully balanced you are, but your beautiful description cannot transform imbalance into balance. You, yourself, will not believe it even. Because, this is nature.
6- If, you do not have any idea, then how can you require ‘rationalize validation’ ?
7- Please tell me exactly that what you think is “clear” in your terms ?
8- When I first posted this, then you said; ‘its cryptic’ and then I informed you that this is just an effort to oppose the wars and I put a question on you that ‘is this beyond law? ’then now you come to say me that “I have no idea”. Would you please like it to explain a little?
hussainmehdi
Jun 24 2008, 04:20 AM
No! Never do I smoke within my dreams, though on occasion, I have made love in fantasy in my dreams, but as usual, I wake up, only to be accused of not respecting them.
Then again, this is your fantasy, not mine. But please proceed..
I never asked whether what you smoke or not. I just mentioned an example but how you twisted it to the different destination is very interesting for people to read. This is very learning too.
Presumptive; not provable, inconclusive.
Miscalculation; a calculating mistake.
In context, by you, in statements about approval and disapproval.
Dear! I asked this because you used these words, but I have no intention to take English lesson from you nor I am very much interested in English. I can communicate and that’s ok for me. Again I claim, that you are talking in a way that is less convincing and more miscalculating. Perhaps, you think that this is not a forum for debate but, rather a school classroom where students try to score points. In my view, this is not like that.
Again a Presumptive; not provable, inconclusive. Miscalculation, on your part. I have yet to reject any view. I habe also yet to understand if a view has been expressed as well.
So, this; “Expressing views do not require any specific style or shape or criteria.” is presumptive and not provable??? Then what is provable in your view???
I would put that question, more appropriately to you.
Then, why didn’t you put that question on the first place instead posting bikinis???? Why were you waiting for? Waiting my question to reverse it back to me?? This is also interesting and people may learn much from your “back warding and forwarding” questions.
Your speaking in Tongues do you know this Christian term., Yes?
No! its not Christian term. You are again mistaken. And, even if, this is Christian term in your view, I will still insist on it.
No, neither can you.
You said; No! but just above you recalled “Christian term” ??? so, on one hand you keep many in your mind, while on the other hand you say; NO! it means you do not possess the ability of concentration, so that you talk one thing here on issue and you talk exactly different thing there on the same issue. Please concentrate on material rather than “picking points”. Ok?
Agreed, god’s gift to man, common values cannot be denied, beyond the mystical esoteric and platitudes, the point is what, we have god given common values, is this, a lesson, a statement or a discussion about what we both know? I thought you wanted to speak of what we did not know, yet thus far, that has not been the case, now has it?
Agreed? But in a manner that equals to “disagreed”. Perhaps, you are not familiar with the art of writing. Again interesting. But, you do not know that how much you kick the jug, it will never break. But, whether jug breaks or not, in both cases, your action is unjustified and condemnable.
The problem with a lie is its obviousness. The problem with half an effort, at understand, is the miscommunications it causes. Re-read the “actual sentence, it was a question about a non-decipherable sentence that gave no meaning in words that came across without context, and meaning. Thus, no mortal reply could be deduced from them.
Oh yes! I re-read it, but amazingly found out that you, yourself, did not quote any of my sentence that you presumed, was “a non-decipherable sentence” in your own claim. Would you like to explain this phenomena.
Yes
Yes? You seem to be believing that you are on ship while you ask “how many thousands above ground”. Perhaps, you will claim this sentence too as “a non-decipherable sentence”, will you??
“lost in TRANSLATION” is a phrase denoting that which was transmitted came across garbled and out context, leaving no logical point of reference to reply to.
There was a question there you know, then again, I guess you did not know I ask a question in the clear as to what did you mean.
Out context…no logical point.. ??? you, up to now, did not make even single comment or criticism on “bible of basra” except repeating such words like; “out context” “no logical point” “non-decipherable” etc etc, and at the same time you portray yourself as you are at moon??? What is this?? An act of innocence ??? or it is just your simplicity ?? or it reflexes your wide range??? Again interesting.
Friend, I have had the conversation now in 3 or more post and you have said less than Obama in an hour of “I am special, in hope” rock star, glory railing.
I don’t care that how many posts you maintain at the same time, but whenever you reply, reply properly and to the point. Ok?
Now that is funny, can you say exactly what views I have, in words, not in your mind, expressed that? Nope, didn’t think so.
What Nope. You have been doing this. I tell you how; Look! I posted “bible of basra” but, you didn’t say even single world about it nor you criticized it except raising irrelevant arguments that have nothing to do with the subject. You, yourself, created fake argument avoiding the main subject, and then you, yourself, explained yours self-created arguments later. If, you praise the height of a speed-breaker and mention the height of Himalaya as very low, then this is your own fault. Please adjust your frame.
Intention means one is motiivated in knowing what is being talked about. that is not the case thus far here. We, is not a word that free people use when they speak of their own personal views you know, we, is a term of plural elitism not the singular common values one shares in personal views and opinions to mere common folk, if they are indeed expressing such things.
DeaR! Are you a traffic man ??? because, you never talk to the point. And if, any one unluckily acquire your assistance then, you start teaching “grammars and spellings” on the middle of the highway. How much time will you need to complete your professional training, how much??? And even after completion, there is no guarantee of your accuracy. Improve yourself mr.
The problem with the “apple diffusion thesis, is its miscalculation for unintended consequence.” The apple, as expressed in this dead men walking from the hollows of Khomeini’s alcoholism for power, is the troll’s lack of comprehension in common values implicate in fallacy as to the lowly apples metaphoric potential.
That which is so praised, in mischievous demonic sprit, not feared, but erroneously spewed in glees forgotten has been, and now context, as if the apple itself does not come ironically to mean the symbolized destruction of man’s only known mythical utopia, the once godly dominion of Gods own making, Adam.
As we agreed in common values told in all or most religion, you know. It was the apple given “by the devil” with the intent to destroy god’s utopian man and his dreams for him and his wife Eva. It’s this apple that if bitten, may end another existences, in yet another of many Urdu “middle world” presumptive miscalculation in artificially overhyped power, falsely assumed in an anti-matter reality that assumes power does not matter, when it most assuredly has, does and will, for those who mistake invincibility for the myth of power.
It is one thing to frighten and push the Iraqi’s around, oops, my bad, the Khomeini alcoholism for false power was and is not even capable of doing that, despite every advantage imaginable in their favor. “Rest case, court over.”
Here we come on the hot topic “The Iranian Apples”!!! Specifically on this subject, you appeared like an old train “chuk…chuk…chuk…chuk”. You used most of your time and most of your words by repeating one thousand years old sentences that we have been hearing from you and your media since 30 years. your huge consumption of words on this specific “Apple” confirms its importance. It means, not you, but Khomini is right. While, you found most of my materials as “non-decipherable” but here, on this specific subject, you performed “sarkozy” very well.
Sure, be glad to, when, if ever, you make a donation.
It means that you have rejected this donation because you only accept paper currency. Ok, if this is your usual tendency.
Sure you do, it was on the TV, in the newspaper and in the standard myths you have heard since Jimmy Carter’s empowerment of 1979, right. Unilateral; Having to do with one side; involving only one side; action carried out by a single nation; one-sided. A unilateral war is a war with oneself, makes sense, sorta, I guess?
Opinions are like arse holes, everyone’s got one, it does not make one or the other any less or more unsoiled than the others, does it? But, I will be glad to hear your proof that disproves my theory, and proves yours, though.
When, Britain went and invaded india?? What was that??? India never went and imposed war on Britain but Britain came from thousands of miles away to invade india?? What was that, if not unilateralism??? Why? Because Britain herself, assumed that she had ‘capacity with right’ to invade india, so they invaded. Power wants to see obedience from one corner of earth to another. This is the weakness of power. Power itself creates assumptions, justifications, and legality.
If, we accept your theory that wars are always two-sided, then it means all Arab kings, who invaded Europe in previous centuries were not lonely at fault but Europe was also initiated these wars. Then why you mention brutalities of wars of Arab kings??? Why?? If both were equally responsible.
How long will you continue to change facts to create and support your fake reasons of wars? How long ??? Even the crocodiles of Philadelphia have become familiar with your fake arguments of wars.
Hmm, only lies and lairs start wars right. Which are fought by only one, duh, unilateral, party right? is that the "pitch?" Where did you get the cool aid?
You are again confused and miscalculating. Why? Because you failed to realize that where there is a war, there is defense. Wars create defense, defense does not create wars. Are you really so simple that you could not realize this? A liar ignites wars and defense is exactly another thing. Please do not mix them up.
You know some people who have been enslaved, do you, in Iran, figures, poor Iranian people, if only they had courage and a means to be freed, like the Iraqis, hey?
Bharat has 60% poverty but you never mention bharat, but you keep mentioning iran while Iran has less than 40% poverty. You praise bharat with 60% poverty but you criticize Iran while Iran has less than 40% poverty. What is this if not discrimination??? Your double standards confirm your biased ideas.
The blind cannot see, until they blind those who think they see, huh? (: ساسانیان [sɒsɒnijɒn]
Blind cannot see, is a matter of hospital. But, what you cannot see, is very visible to everyone.
Sorry, another lost in translation moment I fear, want to try to restate that?
Never! Because it is perfect and to the point
Okay, the mythical HOPE FOR CHANGE bit hey, well hope can be change, but most of the time, it is just hope.
A once wordy and worldly man said, ‘ It has been reported that I was seriously ill--it was another man; dying--it was another man; dead--the other man again...As far as I can see, nothing remains to be reported, except that I have become a foreigner. When you hear it, don't you believe it. And don't take the trouble to deny it. Merely just raise the American flag and let it talk to the false reports of my death.
Please give an example where hope has changed. So that I can understand that, what is your hope and how it changes.
We agree the concept of bipolarization comes with the concept of balance. the universe has to be in balance for all the parts to be healthy. In the Judeo-Christian-Islamic, west, bipolar is founded, in the oddities of religions false prophecies, good verse evil. In the oriental mind, balance is just the opposite of imbalance.
This is the great decision that sits before us, soon to be answered, in bringing imbalance back to balance, in a year or so, likely but a few at best. You and I will see its fires in the hued brightness of miscalculated false prophetic lights. My sympathies, in advance.
In the oriental mind, balance is just the opposite of imbalance.??? Just an opposite???? So please describe some benefits of balance and imbalance. How many imbalances you have just as an opposite of balance. Are you happy with this imbalance. Do you have intention to impose this imbalance upon the whole world?? What is freedom? And what is imbalanced freedom ? can you adjust imbalance with the help of media? What was Katrina? Balance or imbalance??? Just an opposite!!!
I believe you have reversed the tail on the question I ask. I asked you this.
No! I did not reverse anything. On one hand you claim you have no idea and on the other hand you condemn my reply and require ‘rationalize validation’. So, the point is, if you have no idea then how can you require on my reply ‘rationalize validation’?
Look, it is very cryptic and hard to follow, not my problem, yours you know. I get it, your English is not your want to be native language. That is why I suggested you use a translator.
O traffic man! Please do not stop me on the middle of high way just to teach me “English grammar”. Please drag your bicycle away from the front of my vehicle. Please go and teach your grammars to desert owls. Ok?
hussainmehdi
Jun 30 2008, 12:55 AM
QUOTE (ustrader @ Jun 26 2008, 03:57 AM)

I never asked whether what you smoke or not. I just mentioned an example but how you twisted it to the different destination is very interesting for people to read. This is very learning too.
Really, I never answered a question, I made a statement, perhaps you want to re-read what I said? "NO,"really, thought so.
Dear! I asked this because you used these words, but I have no intention to take English lesson from you nor I am very much interested in English. I can communicate and that’s ok for me. Again I claim, that you are talking in a way that is less convincing and more miscalculating. Perhaps, you think that this is not a forum for debate but, rather a school classroom where students try to score points. In my view, this is not like that.
2- What do you mean by “presumptive miscalculations” ??,
Hmm, Is this not a question, asked by you, and answered by me. Yea, I thought so. Perhaps you need some “free” classrooms instead of those indoctrinated controlled ones from which you learned to spew this from.
Two part harmony, hey. No speak-ee English, but want to preach your inbred talking points of party line, in it hey? “Convincing,” now that is word, that is most calculating, for sure, don’t you agree?
Debate; Debate (North American English) or debating (British English) is a formal method of interactive and position representational argument. Argument; a fact or assertion offered as evidence that something is true. P.S. I will when you do.
Again a Presumptive; not provable, inconclusive. Miscalculation, on your part. I have yet to reject any view. I habe also yet to understand if a view has been expressed as well.
So, this; “Expressing views do not require any specific style or shape or criteria.” is presumptive and not provable??? Then what is provable in your view???
This is exactly why you need classroom work, thus is why I gave you the formal definition. Presumptive; not provable, inconclusive.
Provable; To establish the truth or validity of something in forms and ways that are incontrovertible. As opposed to the oblivious and Refutable.
Then, why didn’t you put that question on the first place instead posting bikinis????
Bikinis, OMG where?
Why were you waiting for? Waiting my question to reverse it back to me?? This is also interesting and people may learn much from your “back warding and forwarding” questions.
This is true, you backward it and I forward it.
No! its not Christian term. You are again mistaken. And, even if, this is Christian term in your view, I will still insist on it.
Okay you tomato is my tomato?
You said; No! but just above you recalled “Christian term” ??? so, on one hand you keep many in your mind, while on the other hand you say; NO! it means you do not possess the ability of concentration, so that you talk one thing here on issue and you talk exactly different thing there on the same issue. Please concentrate on material rather than “picking points”. Ok?
Okay, I will concentrate of the “picking points,” while you concentrate on indoctrinated talking points. That’s the ticket, hey?
Agreed, god’s gift to man, common values cannot be denied, beyond the mystical esoteric and platitudes, the point is what, we have god given common values, is this, a lesson, a statement or a discussion about what we both know? I thought you wanted to speak of what we did not know, yet thus far, that has not been the case, now has it?
Agreed? But in a manner that equals to “disagreed”. Perhaps, you are not familiar with the art of writing. Again interesting. But, you do not know that how much you kick the jug, it will never break. But, whether jug breaks or not, in both cases, your action is unjustified and condemnable.
The problem with a lie is its obviousness. The problem with half an effort, at understand, is the miscommunications it causes. Re-read the “actual sentence, it was a question about a non-decipherable sentence that gave no meaning in words that came across without context, and meaning. Thus, no mortal reply could be deduced from them.
Oh yes! I re-read it, but amazingly found out that you, yourself, did not quote any of my sentence that you presumed, was “a non-decipherable sentence” in your own claim. Would you like to explain this phenomena.
Yes, quoting what one does not understand, as it was said, is like mowing Persian grass, it is not hard once those practiced in the art, get the grit of sand from it.
Yes? You seem to be believing that you are on ship while you ask “how many thousands above ground”. Perhaps, you will claim this sentence too as “a non-decipherable sentence”, will you??
Why yes I can, in fact, liquid depth as in ships and the sea, are not interchangeable terms derived from being in the gaseous air you know. Or perhaps you did not know. The sea is measured in depth below the surface, while air is measured in distance above the ground as in your ““how many thousands above ground” comment. Perhaps you mean ship as in aircraft, but only you seem to know.
“lost in TRANSLATION” is